PipeChat Digest #2647 - Saturday, January 12, 2002
 
PLEASE READ Re: Off topic - plain text
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Okra
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Funeral fees and Weddings.....very long
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: PLEASE READ Re: Off topic - plain text
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Organist fees - UK and US
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: All Day Sing With Dinner On The Grounds
  by <Posthorn8@aol.com>
Re: Totally off-topic casserole query . . .
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: Okra
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: PLEASE READ Re: Off topic - plain text
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Rochester Sunday afternoon TPO Concert Reminder (Cross-posted)
  by "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
Re: fees
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
 

(back) Subject: PLEASE READ Re: Off topic - plain text From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 05:59:56 -0600   Folks   Although Paul Austin brought up this question It is one that needs to be answered generally - I have already written him privately about the problem.   Many people on the list use products like Microsoft Outlook Express which has as it's default settings to send in "HTML" format to include all sorts of fancy stuff like font colors and styles. Since i use Eudora on a MAC I really am not familiar with the various PC email clients but I have learned this past week that in the Address Book for Outlook Express you can set an address to send via Plain Text only. If you are using Outlook Express please see if you can find this setting and make the change.   Karl Moyer every so often sends a note back to someone saying that he received the message as an attachment. I do want to let everyone know that these messages sent this way are NOT being sent as attachments since the server is set to "bounce" any message that has an attachment as part of it. This is to avoid any problems of a virus being sent around via the list. I know that from talking with Karl he is using Outlook Express on an IMAC and that program is picking up HTML Coded messages sent via the list as attachments and is not displaying them. As you can see here Microsoft can't even make their various versions of OE "talk" to each other much less talk to other programs! The ONLY type of text that EVERYONE can read is Plain Text.   And it is even worse for those members, about a 1/3 of the list, that read the Digest. The digests are filled with all sorts of "goobly-gook" due to the way the server handles making up the digest. So those folks have to "wade" through LOTS of garbage to read what others have posted. So Please, Please, Please, for the sake of all your fellow list members try to find the settings in your email program to send to this list via Plain Text ONLY.   Please, let us not have this as a topic of discussion on the list but if people have answers on how to do the Plain Text settings in various email programs please send them to Tim and I at the Administration account "admin@pipechat.org". If we get this information i will set up a Web Page dealing with how to make Plain Text happen in the various mail programs.   And now back to Happy PipeChatting!   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Okra From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 07:25:53 EST   >What's wrong with okra? Doesn't it look like an organ pipe? >Well, maybe not . . . >But good in soups and fried.   I agree with Glenda....I love okra...stewed, fried, or pickled. The poor vegetable (well, actually, it's a pod) gets a bad rap by non-Southerners. = No good Southern pot-luck is complete without a plate of fried okra and a pot = of stewed tomatoes and okra.   Monty    
(back) Subject: Funeral fees and Weddings.....very long From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 07:53:41 EST     --part1_141.7b7cd65.29718bd5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In my work as a full-time Minister of Music/Organist at several different churches, and even as I was playing part-time while I was in junior high school, = high school, and college, I never once charged a fee to play for a church = member's funeral at the church. I was always taught that it was part of your ministry. I don't know of any ministers that charge to do a member's funeral. It was always built into my salary. 9 times out of 10 the = family will slip you a little note or mail you a thank you a few days after the funeral with a check in it. Plus, I never expected anything because I = knew the families I was playing for, so it was something nice I could do for friends.   When I get calls from funeral homes to play, I usually charge $125. Generally, I don't know the family, so it's not like playing for a church member.   Now that I work full-time as a funeral director, I don't ever charge the family the organist fee or clergy fee as a "cash advance item" if the = funeral takes place at their church. When we have a funeral in our funeral home chapel (complete with a pipe organ) I usually play and let the other staff =   work the service. I don't charge for doing that either. Why? Well, for one, I am already there at work, making a very good salary. Secondly, it reinforces the good will of the family when their funeral director is = playing the organ and piano. It's all worth it when the family comes up to you = after the funeral and tells you how good the deceased looked (the one I = embalmed) how nice the funeral went (that I planned) and how beautiful the music was =   (that I played.)   In my area, the Protestant ministers don't usually charge honorariums, nor = do most of the organists. However, the Catholic priests and musicians won't = do a thing until they are payed up front. I've got a problem with that kind = of attitude. If a person needs that much extra money, they better renegotiate their = church contract and ask for a sizable raise. Funerals are no brainers...rarely = do families request major literature. They want all the "comfort hymns" and maybe something like Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring. Sometimes I play the = Widor Toccata as a postlude. Definitely not a challenging service.   Weddings are a complete other story. There is a ton of literature to = play, coordinating with soloists/instrumentalists/wedding consultants, etc., and =   always at least two "helpful Hannahs" who offer all sorts of advice, but don't know what they are talking about. That's why I charge outrageous = fees to play for weddings. My wedding fee is $400. I know it's extremely high, but I hate to do weddings. People who want you badly enough will pay. They've paid thousands of = dollars on a dress, a thousand dollars for a cake, thousands for flowers, etc. = They better pay the musician who is setting the mood of the service and = enhancing the beauty of the service what he or she is worth. These brides want a pageant, I'll give them a pageant.   When I was the Organist at Calvary Church, Charlotte, NC, I used to play = for many weddings. People didn't want to use the Chapel, they wanted to be in =   the 6,000+ seat Sanctuary with the 205 rank pipe organ. Why? Pageantry...pure and simple. After the bridal party was up front, the rear =   doors of the church would close, I'd start doing a big fanfare on the = organ, jumping back and forth between the three sections of en chamade trumpets, = and finally jump to full organ for the processional. The doors would open and =   the Bride would be escorted down the 150 foot long aisle. It was a major production. The headaches involved, though, just aren't worth it.   God help the poor organist if I ever get married, and the poor funeral director when my mother or grandparents die...I know I'll end up being = their worst nightmare! <G> The typical mother of the bride will be a snap!   Monty Bennett   --part1_141.7b7cd65.29718bd5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">In my work as a full-time Minister of = Music/Organist at several different churches,<BR> and even as I was playing part-time while I was in junior high school, = high school, and college, I never once charged a fee to play for a church = member's funeral at the church.&nbsp; I was always taught that it was part = of your ministry.&nbsp; I don't know of any ministers that charge to do a = member's funeral.&nbsp; It was always built into my salary.&nbsp; 9 times = out of 10 the family will slip you a little note or mail you a thank you a = few days after the funeral with a check in it.&nbsp; Plus, I never = expected anything because I knew the families I was playing for, so it was = something nice I could do for friends.<BR> <BR> When I get calls from funeral homes to play, I usually charge $125.&nbsp; = Generally, I don't know the family, so it's not like playing for a church = member.<BR> <BR> Now that I work full-time as a funeral director, I don't ever charge the = family the organist fee or clergy fee as a "cash advance item" if the = funeral takes place at their church.&nbsp; When we have a funeral in our = funeral home chapel (complete with a pipe organ) I usually play and let = the other staff work the service.&nbsp; I don't charge for doing that = either.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Well, for one, I am already there at work, making = a very good salary.&nbsp; Secondly, it reinforces the good will of the = family when their funeral director is playing the organ and piano.&nbsp; = It's all worth it when the family comes up to you after the funeral and = tells you how good the deceased looked (the one I embalmed) how nice the = funeral went (that I planned) and how beautiful the music was (that I = played.)&nbsp; <BR> <BR> In my area, the Protestant ministers don't usually charge honorariums, nor = do most of the organists.&nbsp; However, the Catholic priests and = musicians won't do a thing until they are payed up front.&nbsp; I've got a = problem with that kind of attitude. <BR> If a person needs that much extra money, they better renegotiate their = church contract and ask for a sizable raise.&nbsp; Funerals are no = brainers...rarely do families request major literature.&nbsp; They want = all the "comfort hymns" and maybe something like Jesu, Joy of Man's = Desiring.&nbsp; Sometimes I play the Widor Toccata as a postlude.&nbsp; = Definitely not a challenging service.<BR> <BR> Weddings are a complete other story.&nbsp; There is a ton of literature to = play, coordinating with soloists/instrumentalists/wedding consultants, = etc., and always at least two "helpful Hannahs" who offer all sorts of = advice, but don't know what they are talking about.&nbsp; That's why I = charge outrageous fees to play for weddings.<BR> My wedding fee is $400.&nbsp; I know it's extremely high, but I hate to do = weddings.<BR> People who want you badly enough will pay.&nbsp; They've paid thousands of = dollars on a dress, a thousand dollars for a cake, thousands for flowers, = etc.&nbsp; They better pay the musician who is setting the mood of the = service and enhancing the beauty of the service what he or she is = worth.&nbsp; These brides want a pageant, I'll give them a pageant.<BR> <BR> When I was the Organist at Calvary Church, Charlotte, NC, I used to play = for many weddings.&nbsp; People didn't want to use the Chapel, they wanted = to be in the 6,000+ seat Sanctuary with the 205 rank pipe organ.&nbsp; = Why?&nbsp; Pageantry...pure and simple. After the bridal party was up = front, the rear doors of the church would close, I'd start doing&nbsp; a = big fanfare on the organ, jumping back and forth between the three = sections of en chamade trumpets, and finally jump to full organ for the = processional.&nbsp; The doors would open and the Bride would be escorted = down the 150 foot long aisle.&nbsp; It was a major production.&nbsp; The = headaches involved, though, just aren't worth it.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> God help the poor organist if I ever get married, and the poor funeral director = when my mother or grandparents die...I know I'll end up being their worst = nightmare! &lt;G&gt; The typical mother of the bride will be a snap!<BR> <BR> Monty Bennett</FONT></HTML>   --part1_141.7b7cd65.29718bd5_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: PLEASE READ Re: Off topic - plain text From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:17:04 -0500   With Outlook Express, before you send your letter, find the "format" drop down menu at the top of the letter form onto which you are typing your letter. Under that menu, you will clearly find a choice of items to check. One says "Rich Text (HTML)" and the one you are looking for, usually right under that, says "Plain Text." That's the one you want to make everyone happy. Note that if you are replying to a letter that was sent in Rich = Text HTML mode, as Paul's letter just was, your reply, whether to him or to the list will be set to the Rich Text HTML mode, and you have to go to that format menu and change it by clicking Plain Text.   The intelligence of one's computer should, in an ideal world, compensate = for one's own intelligence. My computer is very intelligent, and can read anything, which is compensating for my . . . well, do the math!   I hope that helps,   Malcolm Wechsler     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:59 AM Subject: PLEASE READ Re: Off topic - plain text     > Folks > > Although Paul Austin brought up this question It is one that needs to > be answered generally - I have already written him privately about > the problem. > > Many people on the list use products like Microsoft Outlook Express > which has as it's default settings to send in "HTML" format to > include all sorts of fancy stuff like font colors and styles. Since > i use Eudora on a MAC I really am not familiar with the various PC > email clients but I have learned this past week that in the Address > Book for Outlook Express you can set an address to send via Plain > Text only. If you are using Outlook Express please see if you can > find this setting and make the change. > > Karl Moyer every so often sends a note back to someone saying that he > received the message as an attachment. I do want to let everyone > know that these messages sent this way are NOT being sent as > attachments since the server is set to "bounce" any message that has > an attachment as part of it. This is to avoid any problems of a > virus being sent around via the list. I know that from talking with > Karl he is using Outlook Express on an IMAC and that program is > picking up HTML Coded messages sent via the list as attachments and > is not displaying them. As you can see here Microsoft can't even > make their various versions of OE "talk" to each other much less talk > to other programs! The ONLY type of text that EVERYONE can read is > Plain Text. > > And it is even worse for those members, about a 1/3 of the list, that > read the Digest. The digests are filled with all sorts of > "goobly-gook" due to the way the server handles making up the digest. > So those folks have to "wade" through LOTS of garbage to read what > others have posted. So Please, Please, Please, for the sake of all > your fellow list members try to find the settings in your email > program to send to this list via Plain Text ONLY. > > Please, let us not have this as a topic of discussion on the list but > if people have answers on how to do the Plain Text settings in > various email programs please send them to Tim and I at the > Administration account "admin@pipechat.org". If we get this > information i will set up a Web Page dealing with how to make Plain > Text happen in the various mail programs. > > And now back to Happy PipeChatting! > > David > -- > **************************************** > David Scribner > Owner / Co-Administrator > PipeChat > > http://www.pipechat.org > mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Organist fees - UK and US From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:23:05 EST   i lived in England (in Farnborough, Hampshire) for 4 1/2 years, from '76 to=20 '80, and went along to some meetings of the North Hampshire Organ Society. =20 My experience was that, aside from the large cathedrals and churches in big=20 cities where of course there are fine players, the level of playing in the=20 small towns and parishes was exceedingly low compared to the US, there were=20 hardly any organists with much training at all, and orgnists there were luck= y=20 to get about =A35 a service. Merry  
(back) Subject: Re: All Day Sing With Dinner On The Grounds From: <Posthorn8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:29:11 EST   Hi list, I traveled for 20 years out of the Buffalo area with "The Harmonaires = Gospel Quartet." We did many, many all day sings with dinner on the grounds. We traveled most of the Northeast and I did get to see a lot of organs in all =   these churches. Most were small home organs, but there was the occasional large Allen, Rodgers or a pipe organ. I got pretty good at guessing what = kind of organ the church had when we pulled up in the bus.   Most organists would cheerfully give me the bench to play for the congregational singing if the concert was inside because of rain, however, =   every once and awhile I did run into the bulldog who wouldn't have let God =   have the key to the organ. Looking back, I wouldn't trade those = experiences for the world.   Tim Wesley United Methodist Church Rochester, NY Rodgers 835 with pipes  
(back) Subject: Re: Totally off-topic casserole query . . . From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:07:54 EST   In a message dated 1/10/2002 10:41:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Chicaleee@aol.com writes:   > > Try a shrimp gumbo casserole, with Okra, of course. It should be the > favorite dish there. Lee   adding okra by definition makes it a gumbo.  
(back) Subject: Re: Okra From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:26:00 EST     --part1_172.2030215.2971af88_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Thanks, Monty, for your indorsement of Okra. Being from Oklahoma, it is a =   staple here. But the ones from the East are not used to eating it, and it =   has become a 4 letter word. I love it, just about anyway, except raw. = Lee   --part1_172.2030215.2971af88_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks, Monty, for your = indorsement of Okra. &nbsp;Being from Oklahoma, it is a staple here. = &nbsp;But the ones from the East are not used to eating it, and it has = become a 4 letter word. &nbsp;I love it, just about anyway, except raw. = &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_172.2030215.2971af88_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: PLEASE READ Re: Off topic - plain text From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:25:26 -0600   On my computer, although all the settings are in plain text, if I get a message from the list that is in HTML format and simply press the reply button to respond, it will go out to the list in HTML format. People should look out for that too. Even if your computer is set to plain text , when replying to a a message in HTML you also need to convert the original message to plain text. I think this is how some of the problems have arisen.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Rochester Sunday afternoon TPO Concert Reminder (Cross-posted) From: "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:59:40 -0500   RTOS is pleased to remind you that the young and dynamic theater organist Ron Reseigh will debut at our 4/22 Wurlitzer on Sunday afternoon at 2:30 = PM on January 13. This performance will take place in the Auditorium Center, 875 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605.   Tickets at only $10 each (RTOS members' admission is free) for this performance will go on sale at the box office one hour before the performance starts. With 2565 seats available there is room for all.   Rochester currently has no snow on the ground and a total snowfall this season of only 12 inches. The only snow on a Rochester street was literally trucked in from Buffalo to make a ski slope for Rochester's "Coldrush" winter carnival. The current Saturday morning weather is sunny and a temperature of 39 F.   Lots of information including driving directions, pictures of our installations, and Ron's biography are available at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ . Come to join us tomorrow for a wonderful Sunday afternoon of theater organ entertainment.   Regards, Ken Evans      
(back) Subject: Re: fees From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:10:11 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3093678611_128955_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   But I believe Ross said it was 34,000 in NZ dollars, which equals $14,000 US.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu             on 1/12/02 12:16 AM, Cremona502@cs.com at Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   In a message dated 1/11/02 9:23:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes:     So, please, let's not talk as if clergy swan around in luxury compared = with poor organists. They don't, not here in NZ.     Well... at least you had $34,000/year and a house to live in. Organist's don't get that! (sigh)   Bruce Cornely <mailto:Cremona502@cs.com> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit HowlingAcres <http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502> and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi       --MS_Mac_OE_3093678611_128955_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: fees</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> But I believe Ross said it was 34,000 in NZ dollars, which equals $14,000 = U=3D S.<BR> <BR> <BR> Randy Runyon<BR> Music Director<BR> Zion Lutheran Church<BR> Hamilton, Ohio<BR> runyonr@muohio.edu<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> on 1/12/02 12:16 AM, Cremona502@cs.com at Cremona502@cs.com wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2">In a message dated 1/11/02 9:23:59 PM = Eastern St=3D andard Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes: <BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2">So, please, let's not talk as if = clergy s=3D wan around in luxury compared with <BR> poor organists. They don't, not here in NZ. <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <FONT SIZE=3D3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial"><BR> Well... at least you had $34,000/year and a house to live in. = &nbsp;&nbsp;O=3D rganist's don't get that! &nbsp;&nbsp;(sigh) <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I>Bruce Cornely &lt;mailto:Cremona502@cs.com&gt; &nbsp;<BR> </I>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ &quot;&quot;Haruffaroo, = B=3D ohawow!&quot; <BR> Visit &nbsp;<I>HowlingAcres &lt;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502&gt; = &nb=3D sp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi = <BR=3D > </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3093678611_128955_MIME_Part--