PipeChat Digest #2648 - Saturday, January 12, 2002
 
Re: Fw: Rick Veague Obituary
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: Organist fees
  by "Alan Freed" <parishadmin@stlukesnyc.org>
RE: Organist's Fees
  by "Alan Freed" <parishadmin@stlukesnyc.org>
Re: Organist's Fees
  by "Paul Austin" <paul-austin@ntlworld.com>
Re: Organist's Fees
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Organist fees
  by "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>
RE: Organist fees
  by "Alan Freed" <parishadmin@stlukesnyc.org>
Re: Okra
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
fees
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Okra
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: Organist fees
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
OFF-TOPIC: okra
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: Okra
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
RE: PLEASE READ Re: Off topic - plain text
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Re: Organist's Fees
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: Organist fees
  by "Alan Freed" <parishadmin@stlukesnyc.org>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Rick Veague Obituary From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:54:41 EST     --part1_189.1ac374e.2971c451_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     OBITUARY Rick E. Veague, well known in musical circles, especially in the = Tampa, Fl and Chicago, IL areas died January 4th at Hillside Manor, Rushville, Indiana. He had been ill since July. He was a graduate of Evergreen Park High School in Il, studied and worked with Don Baker, former New York Paramount organist. He played the IUPUI calliope in many parades around = the state. He was preceded in death by his parents. He is survived by his sister, Mrs. Barbara Johnson, of Florida, and many close friends. = Graveside services will be held in the spring with entombment at Fisher Cemetery in the Kendall White family plot. Memorials may be given to the A.T.O.S., American Theatre Organ Society and Cancer Research or Todd's Funeral Home, 805 N Main Street, Rushville, IN. 46173.   As I'm sure you know, cancer can be a very expensive way to have to = leave this world. If you send a memorial contribution to Todd's please put Rick Veague's name as the recipient. I'm sure I didn't need to tell you that.   There will be a Musical Memories Memorial for him at St. Mary's church = here the first Sunday in March in the afternoon. Not a mass. My husband, Kendall White, will be at the pipe organ, a Kilgen tracker of about 1885 = and I believe about 14 ranks. Tonally it has not been messed with and it has a nice divided reed. Messed with was not quite the way my husband put it. Let's say I cleaned it up a bit. (It has a blower now and is = underwinded) Also, a young man with a glorious, glorious voice will be doing the = vocals. He had met Rick and enjoyed an eveing spent talking to him very much. He was at our home to practice for a recital which he was giving. One thing I've asked for is "On Eagle's Wings" which I think is beautiful. I will be accompanying him. I'm sure Kendall will sneak in some theatre stuff since there will be no clergy involved! This organ is still in the gallery, which I think is where they belong, but they mostly use a = "Lousery" down front. Another good friend of Rick's will be doing a reading of some kind. He attends Temple in Indianapolis. He and his wife have three pipe organs in their home, two 6"Steinway's, a lovely 7' Mason and Hamalin and many other assorted pump organs and player pianos.   I would be happy to send the specs on this organ if anyone is interested.   Thanks Shirley Vanest-White 430 N Main Rushville, In 46173-1638 koehnken@comsys.net         <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_189.1ac374e.2971c451_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2> <BR>OBITUARY <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Rick E. Veague, well known in musical circles, = especially in the Tampa, <BR>Fl and Chicago, IL areas died January 4th at Hillside Manor, = Rushville, <BR>Indiana. &nbsp;He had been ill since July. &nbsp;He was a graduate of = Evergreen Park <BR>High School in Il, studied and worked with Don Baker, former New York <BR>Paramount organist. He played the IUPUI calliope in many parades = around the <BR>state. &nbsp;&nbsp;He was preceded in death by his parents. &nbsp;He = is survived by his <BR>sister, Mrs. Barbara Johnson, of Florida, and many close friends. = &nbsp;Graveside <BR>services will be held in the spring with entombment at Fisher Cemetery = in <BR>the Kendall White family plot. &nbsp;Memorials may be given to the = A.T.O.S., <BR>American Theatre Organ Society and Cancer Research or Todd's Funeral = Home, <BR>805 N Main Street, Rushville, IN. 46173. <BR> <BR> &nbsp;As I'm sure you know, cancer can &nbsp;be a very expensive way = to have to leave <BR>this world. &nbsp;If you send a memorial contribution to Todd's please = put Rick <BR>Veague's name as the recipient. &nbsp;I'm sure I didn't need to tell = you that. <BR> <BR>There will be a Musical Memories Memorial for him at St. Mary's church = here <BR>the first Sunday in March in the afternoon. &nbsp;Not a mass. &nbsp;My = husband, <BR>Kendall White, will be at the pipe organ, a Kilgen tracker of about = 1885 and <BR>I believe about 14 ranks. Tonally it has not been messed with and it = has a <BR>nice divided reed. &nbsp;Messed with was not quite the way my husband = put it. <BR>Let's say I cleaned it up a bit. &nbsp;&nbsp;(It has a blower now and = is underwinded) <BR>Also, a young man with a glorious, glorious voice will be doing the = vocals. <BR>He had met Rick and enjoyed an eveing spent talking to him very much. = &nbsp;He <BR>was at our home to practice for a recital which he was giving. <BR>One thing I've asked for is "On Eagle's Wings" which I think is = beautiful. <BR>I will be accompanying him. &nbsp;I'm sure Kendall will sneak in some = theatre <BR>stuff since there will be no clergy involved! &nbsp;This organ is = still in the <BR>gallery, which I think is where they belong, but they mostly use a = "Lousery" <BR>down front. &nbsp;Another good friend of Rick's will be doing a = reading of some <BR>kind. &nbsp;He attends Temple in Indianapolis. He and his wife have = three pipe <BR>organs in their home, two 6"Steinway's, a lovely 7' Mason and Hamalin = and <BR>many other assorted pump organs and player pianos. <BR> <BR>I would be happy to send the specs on this organ if anyone is = interested. <BR> <BR>Thanks &nbsp;Shirley Vanest-White <BR>430 N Main <BR>Rushville, In 46173-1638 <BR>koehnken@comsys.net <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_189.1ac374e.2971c451_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Organist fees From: "Alan Freed" <parishadmin@stlukesnyc.org> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:15:04 -0500   -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Barker [mailto:steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk]   Subject: Re: Organist fees   Weddings - =A340 (doubled if the service is videoed)   Alan idly wonders: Why double the fee is the service is videoed?   Alan (who agrees with Ron's remarks on the subject--and, in New York, would go still higher)  
(back) Subject: RE: Organist's Fees From: "Alan Freed" <parishadmin@stlukesnyc.org> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:26:48 -0500   -----Original Message----- From: Wurlibird1@aol.com [mailto:Wurlibird1@aol.com]=20 Subject: Re: Organist's Fees   Ron Severin writes:   My gratis services for my congregations have been challenged by other organists locally as improper. "They pay the preacher, don't they?" is often the statement heard. =20   Alan wonders: Well, do they? I always figured that funerals (like baptisms, weddings, house-blessings, whatever) were part of my job as a pastor. Certainly never charged for them. If an honorarium was offered, I refused it, telling them to give it to Ole Johnson, our Treasurer, over there at the second table. (Remember, we're talking about services for MEMBERS, now; nonmembers, if they have such services, are a separate subject.)   Alan, who still agrees with Ron anyway    
(back) Subject: Re: Organist's Fees From: "Paul Austin" <paul-austin@ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:36:24 -0000       I was playing for a memorial service this morning and asked the parish priest his views on this fees issue. He said, for what its worth, that he never receives fees for carrying out services as it is all included in his salary. However, he does receive travelling expenses. On the odd = occasion a grateful family have offered him money by way of a thankyou, he always politely refuses and tells them that they are very welcome to place the money into the collection plate. He reckons its more than his career is worth to accept money!! A bottle of whiskey on the other = hand...........:-)   Paul.   Ron Severin writes:   My gratis services for my congregations have been challenged by other organists locally as improper. "They pay the preacher, don't they?" is often the statement heard.   Alan wonders: Well, do they? I always figured that funerals (like baptisms, weddings, house-blessings, whatever) were part of my job as a pastor. Certainly never charged for them. If an honorarium was offered, I refused it, telling them to give it to Ole Johnson, our Treasurer, over there at the second table. (Remember, we're talking about services for MEMBERS, now; nonmembers, if they have such services, are a separate subject.)   Alan, who still agrees with Ron anyway     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Organist's Fees From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:38:11 -0800   I have taken a somewhat different view since I'm full-time ... I NEVER charged for funerals of church members; but as a part-time organist, weddings were reckoned as a supplement to my income.   I have FAR more funerals than weddings at St. Matthew's, and they're = almost invariably of long-time members who are at least acquaintances, if not friends. If a stipend is offered, I usually give it to the Altar Guild for the new High Altar fund.   We have so few weddings it's not really an issue ... I usually just accept whatever they offer, if anything. I don't think I've ever GOTTEN nothing = ... usually it runs around $100 or more.   Since we DON'T marry non-communicants, having a two-tiered schedule of = fees doesn't apply.   We've got it down to a standard program ... the choir sings the Nuptial Mass, I play the usual stuff ... so there's not a lot of preparation involved. The choir runs through the Propers before Mass ... that's about it.   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote:   > -----Original Message----- > From: Wurlibird1@aol.com [mailto:Wurlibird1@aol.com] > Subject: Re: Organist's Fees > > Ron Severin writes: > > My gratis services for my congregations have been challenged by other > organists locally as improper. "They pay the preacher, don't they?" is > often the statement heard. > > Alan wonders: Well, do they? I always figured that funerals (like > baptisms, weddings, house-blessings, whatever) were part of my job as a > pastor. Certainly never charged for them. If an honorarium was > offered, I refused it, telling them to give it to Ole Johnson, our > Treasurer, over there at the second table. (Remember, we're talking > about services for MEMBERS, now; nonmembers, if they have such services, > are a separate subject.) > > Alan, who still agrees with Ron anyway > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Organist fees From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:37:15 -0000   >Alan idly wonders: Why double the fee is the service is videoed?     This is generally the norm in the UK (having said that loads of you will probably shout 'no it's not!'). It's to do with it being a recorded performance and therefore comes under the performing rights society guidelines (I think!). Is there such a society in the USA?   In the church where I am organist, the couple have to pay a video fee, and the PCC benefit a little as well. I suppose theoretically, so should the choir, but choir fees are a sore point at the moment and I wouldn't want = to confuse things further!!   Hope this stops you puzzling!   Steve St Stephen's Canterbury      
(back) Subject: RE: Organist fees From: "Alan Freed" <parishadmin@stlukesnyc.org> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:40:47 -0500   -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Barker [mailto:steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk]   Subject: Re: Organist fees   It's to do with it being a recorded performance and therefore comes under the performing rights society guidelines (I think!). Is there such a society in the USA?   Alan responds, leisurely: Gee, I don't know. Class?   Alan      
(back) Subject: Re: Okra From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:31:04 -0600       Lee wrote, in part:   > ... Okra.... <snip>... it has become a 4 letter word. ...<snip>...   Am I missing something cruical? I always thought "okra" _WAS_ a four letter word!!   ns    
(back) Subject: fees From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:53:28 -0800   I don't know if it was on this list or not, but somebody somewhere remarked that Catholic clergy and organists insisted on being paid upfront for funerals (I believe it was).   As far as the priests are concerned, "selling the Sacraments" is a GRAVE sin, and FORBIDDEN by the Councils. NO Roman Catholic priest may refuse to do ANYTHING reasonable for a practicing Catholic on condition of being paid ... weddings, funerals, blessings, etc.   I don't know if it's written into Anglican canon law ... most Anglican priests of my acquaintance regard the pre-reformation "Domestic Canons" governing such things to be still in force ... but our priests simply don't DO it. They wouldn't THINK of it.   The Lutherans are less law-oriented than we are, but since SELLING Indulgences was what set off the Reformation, I'd imagine that they'd take a PRETTY dim view of SELLING the Sacraments (grin).   Organists ... now that's another matter. IF the service takes place in the parish church, and IF the organist is FULL-TIME, that's one thing. But if the organist is part-time, and has to go to the funeral home, or haul an electronic keyboard to the top of a mountain at sunrise or to the beach at sunset to play for a wedding, then the organist has every right to demand payment UP FRONT. I've been stiffed more than once in those situations ... that's why I don't play those gigs anymore. The money wasn't worth the hassle.   I use professional singers fairly regularly ... they're members of whatever the singers' organization/guild/union is ... the procedure is this: when they arrive for the performance, I MUST present the check for the full amount to the designated person, BEFORE they sing, OR THEY DON'T SING. They do the rehearsal(s) "on faith", but NOT the performance. For my part, I don't haul out the check until they're ALL in the choir stalls (grin). In return, I get GOOD singers who show up ON TIME, with the music LEARNED.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Okra From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:56:07 -0600   How did OKRA manage to migrate onto this list....thought it was an exclusive province of that 'other' list and definitely off-topic here....I =   guess unless it was grown organically...   jch     At 12:31 PM 1/12/02 -0600, you wrote:     >Lee wrote, in part: > > > ... Okra.... <snip>... it has become a 4 letter word. ...<snip>... > >Am I missing something cruical? I always thought "okra" _WAS_ a four >letter word!! > >ns > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Organist fees From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:56:22 -0800   Sure is ... ASCAP ... and TECHNICALLY you're not supposed to make video or audio recordings of ANYTHING copyrighted without their permission. = Churches are a gray area, but NOT if such recordings are to be SOLD, even by a non-profit entity.   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote:   > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Barker [mailto:steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk] > > Subject: Re: Organist fees > > It's to do with it being a recorded performance and therefore comes > under the performing rights society guidelines (I think!). Is there > such a society in the USA? > > Alan responds, leisurely: Gee, I don't know. Class? > > Alan > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: OFF-TOPIC: okra From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:59:34 -0800   I think it arrived via somebody's request for casserole recipes (grin).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: RE: Okra From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:00:42 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0001_01C19B69.27337680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Although I am always happy to stimulate discussion on the list, please cease and desist on the casserole and okra discussion on-list. David knows where I live, and will flay me and cut my head off for introducing this topic! I do appreciate all the recipes. I would normally write each of you to thank you, but am swamped in the move in jobs and the upcoming recital tomorrow. Please accept my thanks to all of you. Oh, by the way, Richard, a/k/a ContraReed, Rick did decline further details about the Kitty Litter Casserole recipe. He really did not think it would go over well at the church dinner (although the kids would hoot over it). But thanks anyway. 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</span>I would normally write each of = =3D you to thank you, but am swamped in the move in jobs and the upcoming recital tomorrow.<span style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Please accept my = =3D thanks to all of you.<span style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Oh, by the = =3D way, Richard, a/k/a <span class=3D3DSpellE>ContraReed</span>, Rick did decline further = =3D details about the Kitty Litter Casserole recipe.<span =3D style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>He really did not think it would go over well at the church =3D dinner (although the kids would hoot over it).<span =3D style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>But thanks anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Glenda Sutton (who is rather fond =3D of her ugly head)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span = =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   </div>   </body>   </html>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0001_01C19B69.27337680--      
(back) Subject: RE: PLEASE READ Re: Off topic - plain text From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:00:42 -0600   On the newer versions of Outlook, you have to do a little more than what Malcolm said to correct the malady. Under "Tools" you have to select "Options" and "Mail Format". Not only do you need to select "Plain Text" as the setting for composition, but you need to hit the button "Internet Options" and check that you want Outlook to convert your messages to Plain Text in sending to other internet recipients.   Although I am not an internet/computer guru, I already had my setting to compose in Plain Text, but Karl wrote me with the same problem. In checking back to the subject message sent, when I typed a reply it picked up the original sender's font and style settings. I believe the extra step eliminates the problem.   Hope this helps and does not confuse.   Glenda Sutton        
(back) Subject: Re: Organist's Fees From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:04:38 EST     --part1_18c.1aaabeb.2971e2c6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/12/02 1:37:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, paul-austin@ntlworld.com writes:     > I was playing for a memorial service this morning and asked the parish > priest his views on this fees issue.   Do you make the same salary and benefits as the priest. Of course, it's = part of his job... He's full-time! If I made upward of $45 - 60,000/year = with a house, travel, etc. I would love to provide all of these services "without =   charge." If I was full time, I would also play weekly recitals and teach =   piano and organ lessons without charge to parishioners. It would be = amazing freedom to simply go to the church every day and do anything and = everything I was asked, inspired, or moved to do without having to go home at night and =   wonder where in hell I was going to get the money to pay for auto = insurance, utilities, phone bill, etc. Or go to another job that vies for my attention, dedication, and priority and probably pays almost as poorly.   <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_18c.1aaabeb.2971e2c6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/12/02 1:37:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, paul-austin@ntlworld.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I was playing for = a memorial service this morning and asked the parish <BR>priest his views on this fees issue. &nbsp;</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Do you make the same salary and benefits as the priest. &nbsp;Of = course, it's part of his job... &nbsp;He's full-time! &nbsp;&nbsp;If I = made upward of $45 - 60,000/year with a house, travel, etc. I would love = to provide all of these services "without charge." &nbsp;&nbsp;If I was = full time, I would also play weekly recitals and teach piano and organ = lessons without charge to parishioners. &nbsp;It would be amazing freedom = to simply go to the church every day and do anything and everything I was = asked, inspired, or moved to do without having to go home at night and = wonder where in hell I was going to get the money to pay for auto = insurance, utilities, phone bill, &nbsp;etc. &nbsp;&nbsp;Or go to another = job that vies for my attention, dedication, and priority and probably pays = almost as poorly. <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_18c.1aaabeb.2971e2c6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Organist fees From: "Alan Freed" <parishadmin@stlukesnyc.org> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:09:41 -0500   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com]=20 Subject: Re: Organist fees   Sure is ... ASCAP ... and TECHNICALLY you're not supposed to make video or audio recordings of ANYTHING copyrighted without their permission. Churches are a gray area, but NOT if such recordings are to be SOLD, even by a non-profit entity.   Alan replies: Oh, yes, of course; how stupid of me. But who on earth would sell copies of their wedding video? There's a market for such? Gyakh!   Alan