PipeChat Digest #2657 - Wednesday, January 16, 2002
 
RE: Sacraments
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: The Number 7
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
RE: Seven Sacraments, at least!
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
I NEED A SEATBELT! (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: I NEED A SEATBELT! (X-posted)
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: I NEED A SEATBELT! (X-posted)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: small unit organs
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Kilgen actions & re-leathering techniques for them.
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Kilgen actions
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Sacraments
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Washing of the Feet
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: small organs for RC churches
  by "Tommy Becnel" <tbecnel@cajunnet.com>
Re: The Number 7
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
my organ
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: small unit organs
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
RE: Sacraments
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
footwashing
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
OFF-TOPIC: looking for a suit of armor (!)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Lancashire Ghosts
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
Re: footwashing
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: footwashing - enough already?
  by "Mark Harris" <M.Harris@Admin.lon.ac.uk>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Sacraments From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:19:12 -0500   >Confirmation came about with infant baptism,   Although it might not have been "instituted by Christ" it is arguably scriptural. Isn't there a passage in Acts in which one of the apostles (i.e., a bishop) is sent to visit and further empower a group of = Christians who had already been baptised?   As I have heard in at least one sermon, Maundy Thursday marks the institution not only of the Eucharist but of the order intended to = celebrate and perpetuate it, the sacred priesthood. When He said "Do this in remembrance of me," he was speaking to the disciples, who would have a special and necessary role to play in this. Accordingly, the sacrament of Holy Orders was also instituted by Christ.      
(back) Subject: Re: The Number 7 From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:22:17 EST   Dear Ross   The number 7 from Jewish Times represents perfection whichs reflects on God who is perfect. Six on the other hand represented man imperfect. These come from the Kabalistic Tradition. The book of Revelation = represents the *BEAST* could very well represent PAGAN or 666. In order to fully interpret Revelation one must be throughly steeped in Ancient Biblical Meaning including numerical symbolism and other nuances of the old testament. Hebrew and Aramaic certainly are givens to unwrap this endtime puzzle. The idea of a light source shining represents God, when the light is a reflection (imperfect) represents a man who is only capable of reflecting light and can never be the source. Falling stars represent wayward priests of significance who lead people astray, they are usually heretics. There were seven churches of antiqity mentioned, only one of = which was entirely pleasing, and represent those of the actual future. One was = so bad, it's lampstand was threatened to be removed from its place. Etc.   Does that help?   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: RE: Seven Sacraments, at least! From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:04:12 -0600   Don't forget antenuptial agreements, divorce and probate - they were sacraments when I was a young attorney starting out! What numbers were they?   Glenda Sutton (whose church's eighth sacrament includes sherry and is referred to by my Baptist husband as "the Episcopal happy hour")     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Malcolm Wechsler   Dear Sacrachat-L,   Actually, in all your long list of groups of seven things, you neglected the Seven Dwarfs, clearly an oversight.   My proof of the existence of seven Sacraments is that for years in many Episcopal churches here, the coffee hour has been referred to as the "Eighth Sacrament." Surely this is proof positive that there are at least seven others!   Malcolm Wechsler L.A.O.D. , Inc.          
(back) Subject: I NEED A SEATBELT! (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:15:36 -0800   The pipe organ project is back on; the Allen will be refurbished to use in the interim ... go figure.   To quote Anna Russell,   "I'm not making this up, you know."   Somebody should write a soap opera script ...   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: I NEED A SEATBELT! (X-posted) From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:46:42 -0500   I hope there will be details to follow!! I mean, I hope Mrs. GotRocks confronted the IR (Impossible Rector) and said, YOU WHAT!! And he said, = "Ah, well, on second thought . . ." That is not unusual rectorial behavior.   If this is real, we need a collective cheer. Congratulations! You have needed a bit of cheering news. This is a start! One presumes that no one = has sent you a check for the Moller, and if they did, you have not cashed it!   Cheers, from snowy and icy Northern Fairfield County, CT   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "+mailing list, ANGLICAN-MUSIC" <anglican-music@list.stsams.org>; "organchat" <organchat@egroups.com>; "pipechat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:15 PM Subject: I NEED A SEATBELT! (X-posted)     > The pipe organ project is back on; the Allen will be refurbished to use > in the interim ... go figure. > > To quote Anna Russell, > > "I'm not making this up, you know." > > Somebody should write a soap opera script ... > > Cheers, > > Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: I NEED A SEATBELT! (X-posted) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:36:51 EST     --part1_c9.1bc00816.29763333_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/15/02 7:16:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > The pipe organ project is back on; the Allen will be refurbished to use > in the interim ... go figure. >   Geez.... and I was taught that Southern Baptists were nutz!!!! heeheehee   As a Baptist minister once said.... "I have Scriptural proof that = Baptists are God's chosen people.... and he read: And my people shall be a = peculiar people.." ;-)   <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_c9.1bc00816.29763333_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/15/02 7:16:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The pipe organ = project is back on; the Allen will be refurbished to use <BR>in the interim ... go figure. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Geez.... and I was taught that Southern Baptists were nutz!!!! = &nbsp;&nbsp;heeheehee <BR> <BR>As a Baptist minister once said.... &nbsp;"I have Scriptural proof = that Baptists are God's chosen people.... and he read: = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And my people shall be a peculiar people.." &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_c9.1bc00816.29763333_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: small unit organs From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:44:07 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: small unit organs     buried alive in a > single swell box. tunning is a nightmare, you have to go up a chimney > like affair and then into the swell box. To tune all of the upperwork, = one > has to lie on the stomach on a ladder that is perched over the pipes, = one > slip and no more upperwork.   Yep! That's the way Kilgen generally built them.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Kilgen actions & re-leathering techniques for them. From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:53:09 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 11:31 PM Subject: Kilgen actions & re-leathering techniques for them.     > TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > > > Unfortunately, Kilgen actions are a real bear to releather, if one is = > going to do it correctly. > > Curious: Why do you think so? Since there's no pouch spring underneath > the leather, it's actually easier to do than Casavant/AEolian-Skinner > type actions, if one has the correct jig. > > We use a dished walnut form the diameter of the pouch well with a > "ledge" for the outside circumference where the leather is glued to the > Pouch (in this case: also the Bottom) Board   However you do it, the main thing is to make sure that the pouch is dished deep enough. It is a good idea to make a careful note of how far they = were dished to start with. Otherwise really the only problem with them is that they are excruciatingly difficult and uncomfortable to fit oneself into, especially if, like me, you are 6 ft. tall and weigh 220 lb. I think the Kilgen employees must have been about 3 ft. tall, weighed around 40 lb., = and had considerable acrobatic skills. Perhaps, come to think of it, they employed monkeys to service their instruments.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Kilgen actions From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:41:04 EST   I guess it's all the unsoldering and removal of the irreplaceable, = easily nicked magnet windings that I find so unglamorous. Add to that the fact = that they are usually packed into their chambers with a plunger, built from the =   far corner to the access hatch, without any concern for future = maintenance. On the other hand, as was stated before, they are amazingly rapid actions, direct and simple in concept. I just examined a 40-rank Kilgen, ALL on unit chests, ALL shoehorned = into various ceiling coves, and don't treasure the idea of doing it. Maybe if = I were a little more physically flexible, a bit of a contortionist, I'd consider the challenge fun, but my awkward body type doesn't mix well with =   such beasts. Seb  
(back) Subject: Re: Sacraments From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:06:40 +1300   Again, sure, no problems at all with what you say, except that I don't see Pentecost as the institution of a sacrament. Sometimes theology does get difficult as we just don't have all the = answers we'd like to the questions we want to ask. What do you feel about my comment that the Footwashing could easily have become a sacrament, on the basis of how Jesus did the thing with his followers? Does your church do this? Regards, Ross -----Original Message----- From: RonSeverin@aol.com <RonSeverin@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Sacraments     >Dear Ross > >Confirmation and Bar Mitzfa are counterparts denoting the same thing. >All of what Christ did was within the bounds of the Jewish Rabinacle >Tradition. Even the Mass is based upon Synagoge Services. As far as >Confirmation Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to those in the upper room. >A rushing mighty wind and tongues of fire settled upon each one >present. Jesus said If I do not ascend into heaven the Holy Spirit >will not come. So Jesus is the agent by which the Pentecost occured, >and Pentecost is also a Jewish special day. The Holy Spirit was sent >to fulfill Christ's plan. > >Regards, > >Ron Severin > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Washing of the Feet From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:12:48 +1300   Ron, Totally agreed, again, and of course we studied those things, but that doesn't mean I see Christ as actually instituting confirmation, as was = said on this List. In my job, I am the first to admit that clergy down many centuries have = made a mockery, in both practice and thought, of what Jesus actually did and = who he actually was. And, not trying to sound silly, I know I've done the = same. I'd love to meet you, Ron, because I'm sure we have an very great deal in common. Too, Bud, thanks for your comments. I've thoroughly appreciated your postings and hope they may continue as I think I can see the man behind = the electronic words I read. Ross -----Original Message----- From: RonSeverin@aol.com <RonSeverin@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Washing of the Feet     >Dear Ross > >The washing of the feet came close on the heels of a remark made >by the mother of two of the Apostles called the Son's of Thunder. >She requested that they get thrones on either side of Jesus in heaven. >Jesus washed the feet to illustrate humility, and He said he who wishes >to be greatest must be the least, follow my example. In processions >always the most important priest or bishop walks at the end of the line. >The accolytes, the least lead the procession, the greatest walks last. >Didn't they teach you this stuff in the Seminary? Humility? There was >another seen where places at table were disputed. The choice place >was awarded by the giver of the feast, and he who took the place had >to give it up! How embarrassing! And take a lower place of honor! OUCH! > >Regards, > >Ron Severin > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: small organs for RC churches From: "Tommy Becnel" <tbecnel@cajunnet.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:09:54 -0600   Really nice instrument. I've played it a couple of times. My grandmother was also organist there sometimes in the '20s, I think. They should use it =   a lot more than the Wurlitzer they have downstairs. The sound is just lush =   and gorgeous.     At 08:56 AM 1/14/2002 -0600, you wrote: >How about the exciting and inspiring recital Jason Pedeaux played for >the recent >New Orleans Organ Odyssey! The organ is an 8 stop c1918 Hinners in St. >John the Baptist Catholic Church in Edgard, Louisiana. The church seats >about >800 and has wonderful acoustics. Jason's grandmother played it for many >years, >and the concert was dedicated to her memory. The organ has had minimal >maintenance over they years. The stoplist: > >Great >8' Open Diapason >8' Melodia >8' Dulciana > >Swell >8' Violin Diapason >8' Stopped Diapason >8' Echo Salicional >4' Harmonic Flute > >Pedal >16' Bourdon >Mechanical key and stop action >gt to pd, sw to pd, sw to gt, gt to gt octave > >Cremona502@cs.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/11/02 1:23:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > > > > > > > >> GREAT > >> > >> 8' Open Diapason > >> 8' Harmonic Flute > >> 8' Gemshorn - voiced toward the stringy side > >> 4' Octave > >> 2' Fifteenth > >> > >> > >> SWELL > >> > >> 8' Stopped Diapason > >> 8' Viola > >> 8' Celeste > >> 4' Chimney Flute > >> 8' Oboe > >> > >> PEDAL > >> > >> 16' Bourdon - BIG scale, but not TOO loud > >> 16' Stopped Diapason - 12 pipes - ext. Swell 8' > >> > >> I'm presuming FULL couplers, electric action, and the Swell > >> enclosed. > > > > I agree with this, but would rather have a nice, warm Gamba on the > > Great, which will give the bite and reediness of a good mixture, yet > > still remain very useable with the Harmonic Flute and Diapason as > > well. > > > > Bruce Cornely > > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" > > Visit HowlingAcres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly > > & Dewi > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: The Number 7 From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:33:20 +1300   Ron, Once more, I agree with you, but I still wonder where the magic "seven" actually began. It seems before the dawn of any history that we actually have, way back with the writer(s) of Genesis. Ross -----Original Message----- From: RonSeverin@aol.com <RonSeverin@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:22 PM Subject: Re: The Number 7     >Dear Ross > >The number 7 from Jewish Times represents perfection whichs reflects >on God who is perfect. Six on the other hand represented man imperfect. >These come from the Kabalistic Tradition. The book of Revelation = represents >the *BEAST* could very well represent PAGAN or 666. In order to fully >interpret Revelation one must be throughly steeped in Ancient Biblical >Meaning including numerical symbolism and other nuances of the old >testament. Hebrew and Aramaic certainly are givens to unwrap this >endtime puzzle. The idea of a light source shining represents God, when >the light is a reflection (imperfect) represents a man who is only = capable >of reflecting light and can never be the source. Falling stars represent >wayward priests of significance who lead people astray, they are usually >heretics. There were seven churches of antiqity mentioned, only one of which >was entirely pleasing, and represent those of the actual future. One was = so >bad, it's lampstand was threatened to be removed from its place. Etc. > >Does that help? > >Ron Severin > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: my organ From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:06:33 +1300   Dear List, I can't afford solid-state for my home organ for about a year, so my organbuilder friend is helping me get a few ranks going, using some of the existing chests I have and just the contacts under the keys of the console = I have, which latter was 2-deck till I got it and is now of four decks, = using 2nd-hand manuals. This way I can even avoid having to restore some old = stack switches. So, the specification will be odd, but useable for twelve = months. All unenclosed. GREAT 8 Gedackt (on slider chest, plain metal, probably Stinkens, made about 1975) 4 Principal (softish metal, very sweet, made c1910 by an unknown builder, certainly English. This rank on a separate direct-electric chest) 4 Rohrflote (as for 8 Gedackt) 2 Prinzipal (spotted metal, as for 8 Gedackt) 1 1/3 Gemsquint (Ten.A# up, as for 8 Gedackt) 1 Oktav (as for 8 Gedackt, spotted metal)   SWELL (though unenclosed) 8 Stopt Diap. (thin wood, square section, very low cut-up, made in 1884 = by Sandford & Parson of NZ) 8 Vox Humana (enormous scale, 1931 by Hill Norman & Beard of England. Wonderful, gritty sound)   CHOIR 8 Stopt Flute (stopt wood, rectangular section, thickish wood, but low mouths. No nicking. The whole 85 pipes on their own dir.elec.chest. Made = by John Hatton of NZ c1975) 2 Piccolo (extn 8ft)   SOLO (on a 3-stop elec.chest designed for them, surprisingly, and all discarded from a rebuild c1965) 8 Gamba (basses off; unknown make, mostly plain metal, but basses zinc. Made about 1895?) 8 Celeste (TenC, ditto from above) 8 Tromba (Hill Norman & Beard, 1930s, 3" pressure, not big but = definitely Tromba tone. All plain metal)   PEDAL 16 Ped.Bourdon (Croft 1916, wood, biggish scale, lowish cut-up, very = deep and pervasive) 8 Ped.Flute (extn 16ft) 16 Trombone (half-length in zinc, with wooden boots, from Laukhuff, = ?1992) Great to Pedal   No other accessories or other couplers. Sure, the design looks daft, but it's the best I can do till I can afford the solid-state, and it should be able to play a fair bit. The Great is absolutely delightful and perky without any scream whatever.   Regards, Ross (in New Zealand)      
(back) Subject: Re: small unit organs From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:26:04 -0600   HI, This organ that I play was made in Highland, Il. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:44 PM Subject: Re: small unit organs     > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> > To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 10:54 PM > Subject: small unit organs > > > buried alive in a > > single swell box. tunning is a nightmare, you have to go up a = chimney > > like affair and then into the swell box. To tune all of the upperwork, one > > has to lie on the stomach on a ladder that is perched over the pipes, one > > slip and no more upperwork. > > Yep! That's the way Kilgen generally built them. > > John Speller > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: RE: Sacraments From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:22:38 -0500       Altogether now: AAAAUUUUGGGGHHHH....   -----Original Message----- From: Stan Yoder [mailto:vze2myh5@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 3:27 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Sacraments     All this sounds like Arthur LaMirande (or his ghost) is baaaack!   This is NOT a theological/polemical list.   Genug!   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: footwashing From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:44:10 +1300   Sorry, List, I should be carrying on this topic with Ron privately, but = I've temporarily mislaid his home email. Footwashing was an interesting and is largely as you describe it. But = there is another dimension from Middle East ancient Aramaic custom. Not even slaves had to wash feet. They could be forced to do absolutely anything but that, as it was thought too demeaning for a slave. So Jesus, = by word and example, there is nothing in this world that is too low for any = of you. In other words, your servanthood must be below that of the lowest slave, you must carry out tasks that absolutely no one else could be expected, or even asked, to do. And we all fail so miserably, proud clergy masquerading as kings and = princes not least, and still wearing expensive gold and purple garments way beyond the price of a shirt and trousers. The contrast between Christ's example = and what we've done with it surely shows why the Church has never made this a sacrament - this, more than anything else, shows our disobedience and = pride. "Sharing a drink and bite to eat" (Communion) is easy, as is dunking or sprinkling someone (baptism), but living out footwashing, no way to us = mere mortals. So sad. Shall we continue these non-organ things off-List, or do people want us to continue here? Regards, Ross      
(back) Subject: OFF-TOPIC: looking for a suit of armor (!) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:19:36 -0800   Naw, it's not to protect me from you-know-who.   I got this from my soprano soloist tonight:   "You always manage to find things that others cannot . . . I was wondering [looking down at feet ... kicking the dirt] could you put the word out that St. Matthew's Youth Group is looking for a real suit of armor."   Her daddy, the bass soloist, always sings a solo about the whole armor of God when that comes up in the Lectionary. I have no IDEA what they're up to (grin), but I imagine it has something to do with that.   I'm in SoCal, for those who don't remember.   Theatrical costume rentals, maybe? I don't know if they want it for PERMANENT or not ... maybe they're looking for a mascot. Who knows?   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Lancashire Ghosts From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:11:20 -0500   Look at this picture to see a ghost. Don't take your eyes off the picture. Keep staring at it, especially at the doorway and you will see the ghost!   http://www.planetannihilation.com/terragen/ghost.html    
(back) Subject: Re: footwashing From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:56:53 -0500   Ron and others,   I think that you should continue this thread off list, - it has little, = (if anything), to do with organs.   Just my two 'pennorth!   Bob Conway   At 06:44 PM 1/16/02 +1300, you wrote: >Sorry, List, I should be carrying on this topic with Ron privately, but = I've >temporarily mislaid his home email. > >Shall we continue these non-organ things off-List, or do people want us = to >continue here? >Regards, >Ross > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: footwashing - enough already? From: "Mark Harris" <M.Harris@Admin.lon.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:46:14 GMT   Ross wrote:   > Shall we continue these non-organ things > off-List, or do people want us to continue here?   Only if you're going to tell us what (organ) music you'd have at a footwashing. Handel's Water Music, no doubt. And some Bach? What about "Ich steh' mit einem Fuss im Grab"? Let's not forget Peter Warlock's "pieds-en-l'air" while we're about it. :-)     Mark Harris (being extra flippant because it's his birthday!)