PipeChat Digest #2661 - Friday, January 18, 2002
 
Re: quint couplers
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Various ons and offs
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
32fts etc.
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
posting (2nd time) stoplist and registrations for Bach
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Pilcher opus number
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: quint couplers
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: Kilgen actions & re-leathering techniques for them.
  by "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@swbell.net>
Re: Various ons and offs
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: quint couplers From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:09:28 EST   Dear Mr. Morgan: That 5-1/3' Quint coupler on the Temple Sinai may or may not be = original. Certainly, Skinner included Choir to Great 5-1/3' couplers in his = schemes for Hill Auditorium and Woolsey Hall, yet these were enormous tonal = schemes. Austin consoles from the late 1940s occasionally also had 5-1/3' = couplers in their keybeds, an influence most likely coming from James B. Jamison, a =   controversial tonal theoretician of the time. He worked out experimental early attempts at large English choruses for several firms, including = Austin, but private correspondence between other leading builders sometimes speak disparagingly of his abilities.   SMG  
(back) Subject: Re: Various ons and offs From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:12:22 EST   Some of us obese rats wear sneakers and learn to walk gently. Check your attic floorboards for squeaks...  
(back) Subject: 32fts etc. From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:33:21 +1300   The Dunedin Town Hall organ in New Zealand has a TenC 32ft Contra Trumpet = on the Swell, yet the only 32ft on the Pedal is an open metal diapason. On = the other hand, the Pedal does have 11 16fts altogether. The organ is a Hill Norman & Beard preWWII. It was originally the Pattman travelling organ but was enlarged and altered for us in Dunedin. The = thing, known affectionately as "Norma" (Hill NORMAn & Beard) has recently been restored. The Town Hall's acoustics are the finest of any hall I've ever been in - absolutely stunning. Ross      
(back) Subject: posting (2nd time) stoplist and registrations for Bach From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:13:48 -0800 (PST)   Dear List: At the bottom of this message I have posted the specifications = for the organ at St. Peter's following a year long process of rebuilding. I feel a need to = explain why there is so much duplexing and unification, lest I be relegated to the depths of, well, = err.... The Hot Place. In my many years of playing, I have found that registering the literature as = well as church playing has often been difficult when playing the standard Moller or Reuter 2/20 = church organ. Almost universally the instruments I am thinking of have a nicely developed = swell, and the great is simply a principal chorus and a lone 8' Bourdon. I realize that now-a-days = most of these complaints are moot as most builders duplex unison reeds and a secondary = open metal flue (and maybe the celeste) from the swell. In looking at the present incarnation = of the organ I have included all of the original specification that worked well. The main = thing I am in doubt about is the inclusion of the octave extension of the 1-1/3' mixture on the great. = We have re-regulated the Mixture so that it is never necessary to use this stop, and Paul did not = want to include it in the new stoplist since there is a swell to great 4' coupler (I included swell = to great 16 and 4 at his request, I designed the stoplist to make them redundant.) However, the = original unit organ had no swell to great coupler. Now with the swell fully developed, I can't ever = see a case where I would turn on a swell to great 4' coupler in a "full" registration, so I = reinserted the Sharp on the Great. The 16' Gedeckt uses the original 16' Quintadena bass for the = bottom 12 notes, and the 16' Gemshorn on the swell borrows that bass as well. The 8' swell principal = borrows the Gedeckt plus Gemshorn for the first 12 notes. Paul supplied most of the added pipework = or ordered it for us. The Claribel Flute on the great is an old Austin stop from the mid 'teens = that is revoiced with nicking filled and metal inserts in the mouth to lower the cut-up. I asked = for something with a bit of "hybrid" color in the middle range, and Paul did a magnificant job, = the Claribel has noticable chiff, and while it is definitely a flute, there is a complexity = to the sound that I like, the stop will add considerable body to the mild Gemshorn and Celeste = without wiping them out. There is an obvious treble ascendancy and in the top two octaves, due = to the articulation, one can easily imagine that it is a Flute Harmonique and not an old = Clarabella! The other 8' flute is a 1928 Aeolian Gedeckt, which has had its nicking filled, but no other = changes. There is good articulation with no chiff. The 1969 Oboe is by Durst/OSI. It is small = scaled, capped, and has a tone that fits very well in all literature. It is a bit more orchestral = than the average "English" styled Oboe. The original Trumpet had been poorly regulated (softer) = before I came and once we put it back at factory regulation it is a good workhorse Trumpet stop. The = Nasat and Terz are both voiced on the Principal side, although they are by design milder than a = true Principal. The Nasat is more harmonically rich than the Terz. Our building has 2-3 seconds of = reverberation and the sound is quite good. I originally intended an "English" style organ to go = with our Episcopal parish, but spreading the project out over time has allowed me to = experience phases of the work and our builder wisely counseled me to let the instrument speak with a = voice reflective of its period. I am pleased with the result. To be fair, it is Paul's talent as a = voicer and finisher that made all these elements gel into a true ensemble.   For the Bach Fantasy I have not decided what the big registration will be = - I am leaning toward including the pedal reed, but it can get tiresome on the ears. Currently I = am playing the more imitative sections with simply the swell Gedeckt and 4/2 Principal. When I = did my recital I used the swell Oboe as 8' and 4, 2-2/3, and 2' stops (?) I will experiment and = see if any odd sound works on this organ, but right now for this incarnation of the work, I am sort of trying to let the music speak for itself. I think the plain registration is probably = something I will keep to.   The fugue begins with the Great 8 Principal 8 Gemshorn (it doesn't sound = right without it on!) 4, 2 and Mixture. The swell is the same 8-4-2 combo mentioned above. The = pedal is 16-16-8-4-16 Tpt plus the great to pedal coupler. At the final return to the great the = 5-1/3 and 8' Oboe are added to the great and the pedal is full w/32 resultant, following the last = pedal entry during a breath a piston is pushed which brings on all great stops including Sesquialtera, = IV Sharp, and both 16's. There is no need for the swell to great coupler to be employed. I = like it with a brisk tempo right to the end with only the slightest ritard in deference to the final = cadence of the piece.           GREAT ORGAN I (6 ranks)   16=92 Gedeckt (sw) 8=92 Diapason* 8=92 Claribel Flute 8=92 Gemshorn (sw) 8=92 Gemshorn Cel. (sw) 5-1/3=92 Gross Nasat (sw) 4=92 Octave* 4=92 Rohrfl=F6te 2-2/3=92 Twelfth* 2=92 Fifteenth* 1-1/3=92 Nasat (sw) II Sesquialtera (sw) IV Mixture (sw) IV Sharp (sw ext) 16=92 Double Trumpet (sw) 8=92 Trumpet (sw) 8=92 Oboe (sw) 4=92 Clarion (sw) Chimes Cymbelstern Sw/Gt 16=92 Sw/Gt 8=92 Sw/Gt 4=92   SWELL ORGAN II (13 ranks)   16=92 Gemshorn (unit) 8=92 Principal (unit) 8=92 Gedeckt 8=92 Gemshorn 8=92 Gemshorn Cel. (TC) 4=92 Principal 4=92 Koppelfl=F6te 4=92 Unda Maris II (ext) 2-2/3=92 Nasat 2=92 Octave (ext) 2=92 Fl=F6te (ext Gemshorn) 1-3/5=92 Terz (TC) 1=92 Sifflote (unit) IV Mixture 1-1/3=92 16=92 Bassoon (TC) 8=92 Trumpet 8=92 Oboe 4=92 Clarion (ext) 4=92 Oboe (unit) General Tremolo PEDAL ORGAN (1 rank)   32=92 Acoustic Bass 16=92 Bourdon 16=92 Gedeckt (sw) 8=92 Principal (gt) 8=92 Bass Flute (ext) 8=92 Gemshorn (sw) 4=92 Choralbass (gt 8=92) 2=92 Koppel (sw) 16=92 Double Trumpet (sw) 8=92 Trumpet (sw) 4=92 Clarion (sw) 4=92 Oboe (sw) Chimes Gt/Pd 8=92 Sw/Pd 8=92 Gallery EXP off Nave   Swain & Kates, 1972, 13 ranks.   Tonal changes and additions, 2001-2002, Paul Sahlin, Organ Builder, Burlingame, California 20 ranks.   Aeolian-Skinner console (opus 1375) 1961, rebuilt. Console retrofit = components by Syndyne Corporation and Organ Supply Industries.   Pipework by Lauckhauf, Aeolian, Austin, Kimball, Tom Anderson, Organ = Supply.   All mechanical functions controlled by on board programmable computers = featuring full 99 level combination action, transposer, etc.   Original Electro-Pneumatic chests by Organ Supply, new electro-mechanical = chests by Paul Sahlin.   Blowers by Miedenger. Power units by Astron.         __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/  
(back) Subject: Pilcher opus number From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:30:33 -0600   Hi list, Would anyone have the opus list of Henry Pilcher's Sons organ = co.? We have one built in 1922 for St. John's Catholic Church in Bradford, Il. Just curious what our opus number is. Thanks. Gary    
(back) Subject: Re: quint couplers From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:42:24 -0600     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C19FB0.9DA3C220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   The Skinner organ in the Toledo (Ohio) Museum of Art has a Choir to = Pedal=3D 5 1/3. Also, one of the Great Open Diapason has leather lips.   ----- Original Message ----- From: TubaMagna@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 11:21 PM To: dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com; pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: quint couplers   Dear Mr. Morgan: That 5-1/3' Quint coupler on the Temple Sinai may or may not be = origi=3D nal. Certainly, Skinner included Choir to Great 5-1/3' couplers in his = sch=3D emes for Hill Auditorium and Woolsey Hall, yet these were enormous tonal = schem=3D es. Austin consoles from the late 1940s occasionally also had 5-1/3' = coup=3D lers in their keybeds, an influence most likely coming from James B. Jamison, = =3D a controversial tonal theoretician of the time. He worked out experimental early attempts at large English choruses for several firms, including = Aus=3D tin, but private correspondence between other leading builders sometimes speak disparagingly of his abilities.   SMG   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C19FB0.9DA3C220 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>The Skinner = or=3D gan in the Toledo (Ohio) Museum of Art has a Choir to Pedal 5 1/3.&nbsp; = =3D Also, one of the Great Open Diapason has leather lips.</DIV> = <DIV>&nbsp;<=3D /DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV = style=3D =3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV = style=3D3D"BA=3D CKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> = TubaMagna=3D @aol.com</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, = Jan=3D uary 17, 2002 11:21 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> = d=3D kmorgan76209@yahoo.com; pipechat@pipechat.org</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: = 1=3D 0pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: quint couplers</DIV> = <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Dear=3D Mr. Morgan:<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; That 5-1/3' Quint coupler on the = Templ=3D e Sinai may or may not be original.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Certainly, = Skin=3D ner included Choir to Great 5-1/3' couplers in his schemes<BR>for Hill = Au=3D ditorium and Woolsey Hall, yet these were enormous tonal = schemes.<BR>&nbs=3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp; Austin consoles from the late 1940s occasionally also had = =3D 5-1/3' couplers<BR>in their keybeds, an influence most likely coming = from=3D James B. Jamison, a<BR>controversial tonal theoretician of the time. He = =3D worked out experimental<BR>early attempts at large English choruses for = s=3D everal firms, including Austin,<BR>but private correspondence between = oth=3D er leading builders sometimes speak<BR>disparagingly of his = abilities.<BR=3D ><BR>SMG<BR><BR>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!"<BR>PipeChat:&nbsp; A&nbsp; = discus=3D sion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; related topics<BR>HOMEPAGE : = http=3D ://www.pipechat.org<BR>List: = mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org<BR>Administrati=3D on:&nbsp; mailto:admin@pipechat.org<BR>Subscribe/Unsubscribe:&nbsp; = mailt=3D o:requests@pipechat.org<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C19FB0.9DA3C220--  
(back) Subject: Re: Kilgen actions & re-leathering techniques for them. From: "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:53:02 -0600   Ah, thank you John. It seemed like I remembered that from somewhere. The chest in this division is very accesible, but it is made difficult to tune by a chest suspended above the main chest, and I'm afraid to say, more airborne additions are on the way, this time Aeolian Skinner mixture pipes being donated (or sold cheap) to the cathedral, which will undoubtedly = make things more uncomfortable. This organ is also getting the addition of several exposed ranks of principal chorus and cornet (5-10, sorry I don't remember the exact numbers) midway down the nave. Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.geocities.com/organwebring The Organ Classifieds http://www.organclassifieds.com   > > Yes, it was the original Echo Organ of the Carnegie Hall Kilgen. > > John Speller > > > > The chambers of the St. Louis Cathedral Kilgen organ are quite = spacious, > > with the exception of the Gallery division, which was not part of the > > original installation. The division is from the original Kilgen organ = in > > Carnegie Hall, or so I'm told. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Various ons and offs From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:04:09 EST     --part1_59.1618c32b.29793f09_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/17/02 8:23:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes:     > Not necessarily apocryphal. I actually saw an aerosol can marked in = such a > way on the windowsill of the choir room of an Episcopal Cathedral. >   This reminds me of the little gag aerosols that came out during the Anita Bryant days. One was called "Gay Off" and when sprayed smelled like = oranges. The companion product was called "Straight Away." We had both in our choir room, a gift from our mildly demented exterminator. ;-)   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 >   --part1_59.1618c32b.29793f09_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/17/02 8:23:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Not necessarily = apocryphal. &nbsp;I actually saw an aerosol can marked in such a <BR>way on the windowsill of the choir room of an Episcopal Cathedral. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>This reminds me of the little gag aerosols that came out during the = Anita Bryant days. &nbsp;One was called "Gay Off" and when sprayed smelled = like oranges. &nbsp;The companion product was called "Straight Away." = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We had both in our choir room, &nbsp;a gift from our = mildly demented exterminator. &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt; &nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_59.1618c32b.29793f09_boundary--