PipeChat Digest #2945 - Wednesday, July 3, 2002
 
RE: Extension question
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
RE: Sad news from Philadelphia
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Extension question
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
OT: New address
  by <melisma@intergate.ca>
Re: OT: New address
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re:OT: New address
  by "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
Re: OT: New address
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Extension question
  by "Joe Karashani" <jtkarash@coppernet.zm>
Re: Extension question
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Reverie about Virgil Fox
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Minor update to "Rapidly failed console"
  by "Scott Rollins" <srollins@primus.ca>
Processional question
  by "cjs" <musicjs2001@yahoo.com>
Re: Robert Morton
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: Ach!!
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
Re: Organist Recruiting
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Minor update to "Rapidly failed console"
  by <Pologaptommy@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Extension question From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:34:17 +0100   Hello,   Thanks to Ron for that reply....I have actually learned something there = of which I wasn't aware.   Some day I shall get to grips with the brilliant mind of John Compton, = who built the most extraordinarily good extension organs. Playing them = is always a joy; though few remain in absolutely original condition.   Quite how he achieved the effect of a straight (non-extension) = instrument from 7 or 8 ranks with few apparent "holes" in the tonal = build up and choruses remains a mystery to me.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       -----Original Message-----   Ron replied.....   "Helmholst was interested in augmented pedal departments where he felt straight ranks were wasted. He encouraged softer 16' manual stops to be duplexed to the pedal even soft 8' extentions.=20  
(back) Subject: RE: Sad news from Philadelphia From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 06:50:41 -0500   I am saddened to hear of Dr. Hutton's demise. He was renowned and revered as a teacher in these parts, and a great supporter of the AGO. He will be sorely missed.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: Extension question From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:38:50 EDT   Hi Colin:   If you have the time to sit and analyse one of Compton's organs like you describe the stops were very carefully chosen, and the unification very thoughtfully done. The only thing I know about his instruments is what I've read in The Organ, by Wm. L. Sumner. I would love to at some point give this genius his due and actually analyse how he did things by sitting at one of his organs. He showed that it is possible to unify in a way that produced a straight organ effect.   Ron  
(back) Subject: OT: New address From: <melisma@intergate.ca> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 12:02:40 -0700   My apologies to the listmembers at large for the off-topic...   May I ask the listowners to change the address I get Pipechat at from = melisma@intergate.ca to melisma@uniserve.com, please, effective = immediately? I couldn't figure out any other way of requesting this than = by sending an email to the list; I apologize again.   To make this more on-topic... I recently celebrated my birthday, and as a = gift, my mother drove me to Portland, OR (I live in the Greater Vancouver, = BC, area) to hear Felix Hell's concert there. It was the first time I had = heard him, and I thoroughly enjoyed it!   Best,   Melisma    
(back) Subject: Re: OT: New address From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:18:40 -0400   On 7/2/02 3:02 PM, "melisma@intergate.ca" <melisma@intergate.ca> wrote:   > To make this more on-topic... I recently celebrated my birthday, and as = a > gift, my mother drove me to Portland, OR (I live in the Greater = Vancouver, BC, > area) to hear Felix Hell's concert there. It was the first time I had = heard > him, and I thoroughly enjoyed it! > Lucky YOU, kid. And Happy Birthday!   But what did Felix play (besides O Mensch bewein), and on what instrument, built by whom? There are a surprising quantity of fine organs in that = town.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re:OT: New address From: "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:51:59 -0300   Hi, Melisma!   Happy Birthday to you!   Domitila   --- UOL Elei=E7=F5es 2002 - Todos os lances da disputa pol=EDtica http://eleicoes.uol.com.br/    
(back) Subject: Re: OT: New address From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:44:33 -0400   Happy Birthday Melisma, I am looking forward to my own first Felix concerts in Hamilton = Ontario a week from today. Yes, I said concerts, plural, because Felix = will play one concert on Tuesday night, and then conduct an "Organ Crawl" = on Wednesday night, playing each of three different organs in 3 separate churches. Felix, 4 organs, in 2 days. How can it get = much better?   As an aside on your address change, I can take care of it if you wish. = Contact me privately, and I'll get it sorted out for you. Tim and David = are just returning from the OHS Convention, and may not have the time = right now to help you.   Cheers Mike   melisma@intergate.ca wrote:   > My apologies to the listmembers at large for the off-topic... > > May I ask the listowners to change the address I get Pipechat at from = melisma@intergate.ca to melisma@uniserve.com, please, effective = immediately? I couldn't figure out any other way of requesting this than = by sending an email to the list; I apologize again. > > To make this more on-topic... I recently celebrated my birthday, and as = a gift, my mother drove me to Portland, OR (I live in the Greater = Vancouver, BC, area) to hear Felix Hell's concert there. It was the first = time I had heard him, and I thoroughly enjoyed it! > > Best, > > Melisma    
(back) Subject: Re: Extension question From: "Joe Karashani" <jtkarash@coppernet.zm> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:42:07 +0200   The discussion on 'extension' has been very enlightening.   Question: would someone be kind enough to explain, simply, the terms 'unification', 'duplexing' and 'borrowing' in reference to pipe ranks.   Joe Karashani Lusaka, Zambia        
(back) Subject: Re: Extension question From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:16:22 EDT   Hi Joe:   Duplexing is the borrowing of a stop from one manual to another "usually ACCOMPNIMENTAL" soft stops for flexability. Reeds are sometimes done this way too. E.M. Skinner did a lot of this on home installations and small church organs. Sometimes whole divisions were duplicated. It's even done on tracker action organs with either or stop pulls   Unification: is borrowing a stopped flute or diapason rank at several different pitches on two or more manual divisions. EX. Gt. 16' 8' 2' Sw. 8' 4', 2 2/3', 2' 1 1/3' 1' Ped. Resultant 32' 16' 8' Usually the stopped flute is treated like this on unit organs. Diapasons and Strings usually at 16' 8' and 4' or 8' and 4' on each manual. John Compton used this method with several more ranks to achieve more independance with unit stops yielding a much more straight effect.   When I saw Schlicker try this I knew it was the end of the road, on a lease organ. They were noted for all straight, slider chest organs.   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Reverie about Virgil Fox From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:18:41 -0500   While waiting for more installments from Malcolm of his impressions of the OHS convention, I have inherited even more CDs and have been dutifully listening to same during my travels to courthouses. Among the two sacks full I found "Virgil Fox 1912-1980: Soli Deo Gloria", a recording of his Riverside recital on May 6, 1979.   This was quite interesting listening, much more so than any other Virgil recording I've heard. I found his verbal program notes very informative, and the liner notes by Ted Alan Worth answered many questions I had.   I was struck by three exposures I have had to the piece "Litanies" by Jehan Alain in the last 3 months, and by their very difference in presentation. Another friend, attempting to win me over to Alain, Langlais and Messiaen, sent me a CD of Kevin Bowyer's collection of Alain organ works. His rendition of "Litanies" was like Lambrusco and Sprite, or perhaps mashed potatoes - legato and a little runny, without much in the line of punctuation (I always leave a lump or two in my potatoes as proof that they are the real thing - no instants for me). I have previously written about Erwan le Prado's performance, which was the fastest I had ever heard. Virgil's playing was very punctuated - he speaks with a dialect all his own, which I found very interesting, even though I think I may have enjoyed le Prado's better all around - all three were good.   My question is whether there is an actual biography of Virgil. I know about the recent release of "The Dish", which sounds to me like a collection of memoirs instead of a biography. I am sure that many of you have read it and can comment.   By the way, I am really mad, Malcolm - the all-day trial that kept me from Chicago ended up being 10 minutes long. Can you believe that the parents did not even show up for the adjudicatory hearing terminating their parental rights to their baby? The other two court days were quite unusually tame, and I probably could have been absent without mishap, so again I have missed a golden opportunity and am waiting to hear about it. I have already had leave approved for the Atlanta shindig in November.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Minor update to "Rapidly failed console" From: "Scott Rollins" <srollins@primus.ca> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:25:04 -0400 (EDT)   Yesterday, RMaryman@aol.com wrote:   > it can be hard to know what exactly the problem is without knowing = exactly > how the blower is controlled and how the rectifier is controlled, BUT = since > the organ had apparently played earlier in the morning, it is more = likely to > be a simple thing like a popped circuit-breaker/fuse. (either the blower > current supply or the rectifier current supply would be suspect.) >Hope = this > helps<   Yes...I certainly wouldn't have based decisions based on guesses from here (unless everybody said the same thing that was trivial to check)...I was basically looking for suggestions while I waited to be able to do anything (Of COURSE, it would happen on a long weekend!)   I left a message asking the church secretary to phone our organ tuner and ask him to get in touch with me. I'll got a call back from him tonight (the first business day since this came up)....here's in rough form my notes from that conversation:   Me (in response to question?): The blower isn't running   Him: get electrician in to check circuits to see if blower is getting power   rectifier is hooked into blower circuit   without blower power, console won't have power   could have been caused by a spike (I didn't know of thunderstorms in the area, in response to his question, but did recall that I thought I'd heard of 1 or 2 other circuit breakers in the building seeming to have tripped.)   could be a fuse not in main panel box but the organ's box near blower (confirmed location), 4 fuses (console & 1 for each division - Ped, Sw, Gt), not breaker but quote "old screw-in types" unquote, 10 amp.   So, tonight, I get to write out my experience and summary of the phone call and tomorrow, go to the church office and figure out what steps need to be taken and who I may need to OK what needs to be done.   I'll keep you updated as we solve this.   Scott   Scott Rollins INSTANT MESSAGING VIA srollins@primus.ca MSN MESSENGER: sirollins@hotmail.com Arnprior, ON YAHOO MESSENGER: cafe_musique   [If my ISP's spam block interferes with your mail to me, please use my srollins@canada.com address]    
(back) Subject: Processional question From: "cjs" <musicjs2001@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:43:37 -0500   I was at a wedding out of town and heard a processional that I really liked. I didn't get to talk to the organist but the program said "Procession Allegro" under the heading Processional. It was played after the Canon in D. The composer is listed as Cornell. I have done a search and can't seem to get any leads on this piece. I thought that it might be =   a misprint for Corelli. Does anyone know of a piece like this used for weddings? I didn't get to talk to the organist and now I regret it. Write me back privately if you want. Jane    
(back) Subject: Re: Robert Morton From: <ORGANUT@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:43:50 EDT     --part1_e5.1a373227.2a53b0d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/1/2002 12:31:40 PM Central Daylight Time, gksjd85@direcway.com writes:     > Are you telling us that the New Orleans Saenger organ is working? Wow - > when did that happen? > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com >   Hi Glenda, I went to the Saturday evening classic movie series and saw "Some Like = it Hot" The Robert Morton was played for about 15 minutes before the show started. The claim had been made that the organ was about 90 percent playable and sounded wonderful. The truth is that the organ was about 75 percent UNplayable and sounded awful. People talked while it was being played. I had the impression that the swell shutters were not opening and =   what few ranks were playing were quite muffled. However, they were in = fairly good tune. With the proper rebuild, this instrument could be made to = sound like the proper instrument it used to be. The movie was good, the organ = was disappointing.   Phil Lyons Jr.   --part1_e5.1a373227.2a53b0d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/1/2002 12:31:40 PM Central Daylight Time, gksjd85@direcway.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Are you telling us = that the New Orleans Saenger organ is working? &nbsp;Wow - <BR>when did that happen? <BR> <BR>Glenda Sutton <BR>gksjd85@direcway.com <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Hi Glenda, <BR> &nbsp;I went to the Saturday evening classic movie series and saw = "Some Like it Hot" &nbsp;The Robert Morton was played for about 15 minutes = before the show started. &nbsp;The claim had been made that the organ was = about 90 percent playable and sounded wonderful. &nbsp;The truth is that = the organ was about 75 percent UNplayable and sounded awful. &nbsp;People = talked while it was being played. &nbsp;I had the impression that the = swell shutters were not opening and what few ranks were playing were quite = muffled. &nbsp;However, they were in fairly good tune. &nbsp;With the = proper rebuild, this instrument could be made to sound like the proper = instrument it used to be. &nbsp;The movie was good, the organ was = disappointing. <BR> <BR>Phil Lyons Jr.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_e5.1a373227.2a53b0d6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Ach!! From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 23:01:14 -0500   The furniture wax thing is a bummer. Happened to me and my mother was the one doing the waxing.   Jim H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 8:23 AM Subject: Ach!!     >> >> > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Organist Recruiting From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:23:37 EDT     --part1_144.10e1bcbc.2a53d649_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Paul,   Here's my 4 cents. I was also 4 when I first had the privilege of = "playing" on a pipe organ. That was the greatest thrill I had had to that day. Imagine my excitement when I was able to play for a service on that organ = 9 years later (a 3 manual Hill Green and Lane). Many of the churches now = have the security of locking their buildings as well as the organs from anyone playing or practicing except the organist or students, which seem not to = be very many. I have one student in our small church of 400 members. The console is open for pianists to experiment whenever they want.   I plan to have an "Organ Experience" day, but just don't know when. I = will probably wait until just after school starts. The pianist and I plan to = do a recital about that time. Lee   --part1_144.10e1bcbc.2a53d649_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Paul, <BR> <BR>Here's my 4 cents. &nbsp;I was also 4 when I first had the privilege = of "playing" on a pipe organ. &nbsp;That was the greatest thrill I had had = to that day. &nbsp;Imagine my excitement when I was able to play for a = service on that organ 9 years later (a 3 manual Hill Green and Lane). = &nbsp;Many of the churches now have the security of locking their = buildings as well as the organs from anyone playing or practicing except = the organist or students, which seem not to be very many. &nbsp;I have one = student in our small church of 400 members. &nbsp;The console is open for = pianists to experiment whenever they want. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I plan to have an "Organ Experience" day, but just don't know when. = &nbsp;I will probably wait until just after school starts. &nbsp;The = pianist and I plan to do a recital about that time. = &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_144.10e1bcbc.2a53d649_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Minor update to "Rapidly failed console" From: <Pologaptommy@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:43:30 EDT   The same thing sorta happened to me the other day. I walked in, and turned on the switch to the organ, and as usual, the = chamber closures automatically rolled up, and all the indicator lights were on as they usually are, but I pushed piston 1, and nothing happened, and, after selecting a few stops, still nothing happened. I went to the organ = chambers, and the blower was on, but usually it is like a LED light show in the = organ chambers, but this time none of the lights were lit. Well, I shortly thereafter realized that one of the custodians had accidentally unplugged part of the console, and that was the problem. Our console has two = different power sources. One is plugged in directly under the organ platform, which =   powers the relays, and the combination action. The other comes through = the wires that lead to the organ chambers, which powers the console indicator lights, and the blower/chamber shades relay. I was very relieved that the =   problem was so minor, as that was the first time I tried the organ since = the damage to the sanctuary. I was surprised to learn how that part of the = organ was set up! Is this how most pipe organs are set up? Anyway, Thanks   Josh White FUMC, Graham Texas www.fumcgraham.org; FUMC organ pics: www.geocities.com/polo_gap_tommie