PipeChat Digest #2954 - Tuesday, July 9, 2002
 
RE: Dr. Hall Tours the UK/Oxford
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
RE: Christ Church, Oxon, Rieger
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Re: Christ Church, Oxon, Rieger
  by "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com>
Re: Philadelphia
  by "Anthony V Marchesano" <anthony.marchesano@verizon.net>
Re: Philadelphia
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: Philadelphia
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Conventions, my two cents worth (but long)
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Good organs in lousy rooms
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Philadelphia convention
  by <Hemivox@aol.com>
Re: Christ Church, Oxon, Rieger
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Christ Church, Oxon, Rieger
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Dr. Hall Tours the UK/Oxford From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:39:36 +0100   The methodist organ at Cambridge is wonderful.....it dates from around = 1842 (?) and is an example of the "German" style of instrument created = by Hill and Dr Gauntlett.....it is a very fine sound.   However, it was originally housed in Eastbrook Hall, Bradford, in the = North of England. I played it for a service once in that place, and = every hymn required almost full organ......it is far better suited to = its current abode.   I suspect that this organ had quite an impact in Schulze = country....Leeds/Doncaster.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK         -----Original Message----- From: "pipechat@pipechat.org" <pipechat@pipechat.org> on behalf of "Ross = & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Sent: 09 July 2002 21:44 To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: Dr. Hall Tours the UK/Oxford   I'm glad you mentioned that Methodist organ and the Kenneth Jones organ = at Great St Mary's. My experience of organs actually in the UK is limited = (I was in the UK for 14 weeks in 1992) but found those two to be quite wonderful. Ross -----Original Message----- From: cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:23 PM Subject: RE: Dr. Hall Tours the UK/Oxford       Hello,   I don't know why, but Oxford has not fared too well on the organ front; = the same being true to some extent at Cambridge. One would have thought that = two great universities might have got the best in continental organ = buiudling.   Interestingly, the best organs seem to be home produced....the Mander at St.John's Cambridge, the very exciting instrument in Great St.Mary's = Church by Kenneth Jones and Associates and a fine rebuild of an old Wm.Hill at = the Methodist Church.   Oxford has, in my humble opinion, suffered from the input of continental organ building with one glorious exception....Queen's College.   The absolutely gorgeous Frobenius in that lovely chapel acoustic stands = head and shoulders above the rest; even now after the best part of 40 years.   It seems to me that many continental organ builders just cannot cope = with anything less than a sea of reverberation.   Colin Mitchell UK           "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Christ Church, Oxon, Rieger From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:43:42 +0100   Ha! Dr Hall was referring to St Mary's Edinburgh...the Episcopalian = Cathedral.....not the old Cathedral of St Giles. Rieger re-used the 32ft = Open Wood from the Willis incidentally.   The Willis 3 at St Giles had to be the dullest Willis ever = made.....awful thing.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK         -----Original Message----- From: "pipechat@pipechat.org" <pipechat@pipechat.org> on behalf of "Ross = & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Sent: 09 July 2002 22:05 To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: Christ Church, Oxon, Rieger   Just as a matter of interest, I'll ask why any Presbyterian Church in Scotland would want to have an organ quintessentially English, implying Anglican? Ross -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan B. Hall <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:14 AM Subject: Christ Church, Oxon, Rieger     > >Hi-- > >I'm interested to see the comments on the Rieger...especially that it >is widely disliked as an Anglican liturgical instrument. I didn't >experience it in liturgy, but it seemed to me that Clive and Willis >could do rather English sounding things with it--which is not to say >that it is indigenously English. It is certainly a more English >instrument than a very, very unpleasant Rieger in my neck of the woods, >which is perhaps my benchmark. I don't count myself a fan of Rieger, >so this instrument in Oxford really surprised and pleased me. >Certainly, too, the Willis in Edinburgh was more quintessentially >English, as we understand it...Perhaps I am a Guileless Fool... > >I enjoyed it partly because I played Bach on it, of course, and partly >because the touch was so pleasing and the combination action so >elegantly responsive. Yes, it was quite loud, and the acoustics in the >room are surprisingly poor; but it was still a pleasure to play. > >Anyhoo, staff meeting beckons. Ta-ta for now! > >J > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free >http://sbc.yahoo.com > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Christ Church, Oxon, Rieger From: "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:58:02 -0700 (PDT)   Subject: Re: Christ Church, Oxon, Rieger From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:05:14 +1200   Just as a matter of interest, I'll ask why any Presbyterian Church in Scotland would want to have an organ quintessentially English, implying Anglican? Ross   -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan B. Hall   <SNIP>   >Certainly, too, the Willis in Edinburgh was more quintessentially >English, as we understand it...Perhaps I am a Guileless Fool... <SNIP>       -------- Hi, again--   Saint Mary's Cathedral, Edinburgh, is Anglican.   I know, even the Queen is a Presbyterian in Scotland...anyhow, the Presbyterian heritage in Scotland militates against organs, period. The custom was to have a Precentor 'lining out' the metrical psalmody. Organs were right *verboten* for a long time.   And what would you suggest as an alternative to the English sound? There is no such thing as a Scottish pipe organ, unless one counts their distant cousins that wear plaid and are mouth-blown...the bagpipes, of course...   Now, the Queen's own parish in Edinburgh, Cannongate Kirk near Holyrood, has Frobenius opus 1000, which is a dream--Simon and I both felt it was one of the prettiest organs we'd ever played. I'd gladly cross the Atlantic to caress those seventeen ranks again. Perhaps a distinctly 'Scottish' organ sound could bear witness to Scotland's long ties to Scandinavia?   Isn't there in fact a deafeningly loud Rieger in St. Giles, the High Kirk itself?   I'd still say that, poor acoustics and cranky vergers notwithstanding, and apart from liturgical issues, I loved playing the Christ Church Rieger, and I think I'm going to hold firm on that point.       Best,   Jon   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Philadelphia From: "Anthony V Marchesano" <anthony.marchesano@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:01:32 -0400   I was in Philadelphia briefly. I was an usher for both of the Thursday evening Wanamaker recitals and for Irvine Auditorium's "Toast w/ Austin" = on Friday. Scheduling conflicts prevented me from attending anything else, unfortunately.   Peter Conte played his fingers off Thursday night ... and did NOT tire, as = I think he played even BETTER the second time around! It was a truly = wonderful recital on an instrument that has amazed me not once, but twice in one = year. I attended the Fox recital last fall; being the first time hearing it in = ten years, I was simply blown away. Last week was again, an amazing = improvement. Can't wait to hear it again!!! <G>   Next was the Irvine recital. What fun!!! Hector Olivera is such a showman that I didn't mind hearing amplified synthesis, in fact I rather enjoyed = it! He is truly a great entertainer, but more than that, a most proficient musician. Had he been anything less, that event would have been flat out awful.   Not to be outdone, Richard Morris, who was the straight man in this duo, played the newly rebuilt (but not yet complete) Austin. I still can't believe the tempo that they took on the symphony. Sour notes (more in a moment) and out-of-place baffles aside (those of you who have seen the = newly renovated theatre KNOW what I speak of), I was very impressed with how = much they were able to improve the sound. The brand new console, donated by = Bill Brown, is simply stunning. I hope everyone was able to get a good, = up-close look at her, as pictures just don't do her justice.   Between the two recitals, the University (blaming the automatic climate control) shut down the air conditioning. Not surprisingly, this had a wonderful de-tuning effect in the suddenly 95 degree chambers. They had = not fully stabilized come Friday evening and it was noticeable. I look forward to hearing this when it is completed; dedication I believe is to be in the fall of this year.   Well, that's my account of Philly; what little of it I managed to get to anyway. I really wanted to attend Girard on Saturday night, but I had to = be in NYC at 7am the next morning for work. But at least my ears did not go hungry.   Cheers, --Tony     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/2/2002    
(back) Subject: Re: Philadelphia From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 21:31:37 -0400   In a message dated Tue, 9 Jul 2002 7:01:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, = anthony.marchesano@verizon.net writes:   > Peter Conte played his fingers off Thursday night ... and > did NOT tire, as I > think he played even BETTER the second time around!   that should be some small consolation to all the people with tickets for = 10 p.m. who wanted to swap with those for 8 p.m.! i went at 8 and could not imagine how it could have been improved on!   Merry Foxworth   =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-   http://ibo.bww.com/foxworth password: foxy   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).        
(back) Subject: Re: Philadelphia From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:34:55 EDT     --part1_83.1d4c00a5.2a5ce93f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I'm glad I went to Mssr. Conte's concert at 8 pm, because I was then able = to enjoy the fireworks in center city Philadelphia with all the 1000s of = other folks.   Neil by the Bay   --part1_83.1d4c00a5.2a5ce93f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I'm glad I went to Mssr. Conte's concert at 8 = pm, because I was then able to enjoy the fireworks in center city = Philadelphia with all the 1000s of other folks.<BR> <BR> Neil by the Bay</FONT></HTML>   --part1_83.1d4c00a5.2a5ce93f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Conventions, my two cents worth (but long) From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:37:48 -0400   Having resubscribed to PipeChat after almost 3 weeks on the road, here are some of my comments. I attended the first half of the OHS in Chicago plus the AGO in Philly except for Saturday events. OHS was delightful, Tuesday eve. through Friday, every pipe organ was in good shape and well-played, programs were interesting, and the weather was tops. (AGO on next posting). OHS -- Bill Aylesworth started things out on Tuesday evening with mostly French works on an 1875 Opus 794 3 manual Hook and Hastings, the oldest organ in Chicago, including Loret, LeBeague, Franck, and the Widor Symphonie II, in the Scottish Rite Cathedral. I haven't seen anything of Malcolm's critiques, and I will not make very many particular critiquing comments of my own. But I don't remember singing a third verse to the Star-Spangled Banner before! Wednesday found us crossing and recrossing the northeastern Illinois area, estimating about 250 miles of bus riding all told, amid = road construction. Our bus driver said there are two seasons in Chicago, = winter and road construction! We heard two one-manual old trackers, one attributed to Emil Witzmann c1885, and the other, a wonderful 8 stop Wisconsin Pipe Organ Factory 1904 in a large RC church. A Hinners 9 stop, 2 manual 1911 tracker spoke out loudly as they are prone to do, and Mary Gifford accompanied well an old hymn from "The Hymnal for God's Peculiar People" entitled 'What Heavenly Music" which was a tribute to Alan Laufman and one of his favorites, lovingly sung by all, with many in tears by it's end. The town farthest out, almost in Wisconsin, was Woodstock IL, with = an historic opera house where we heard a lecture by William Osborne about Clarence Eddy"s Chicago. It was apparent that most of the organ demonstrators had ties to the Chicago area, and much of the recent music played was composed by Chicagoans. At St. Paul's RC church there we heard a great 1910 Hutchings 2 manual in a reverberant room, Robert E. Woodworth Jr. accompanied the old gospel hymn "Wonderful Words of Life", which = likely had never been heard in that church before! The evening was spent at the Sanfilippo estate, a huge mind-boggling collection of colorful and loud band organs, calliopes, = steam engines, a Victorian Train, music boxes, a carousel set from Paris, victrolas, penny arcade items, a superb dinner, so much decor to see and feast one's eyes on that it was hard to sort it out afterwards. The highlight was Ken Cowan at a 5 manual custom Wurlitzer in a theatre room with fancy elevator and balcony, and tower bells (one was hitched up to = the front doorbell). Ken played his program all from memory. The organ included such stops as a Bugle Battaglia, Tuba Mirabilis, Tuba Maxima, Diaphonic Diapason, Diaphonic Horn, Major Vox Humana, Mezzo Vox Humana, = 32' DIaphone, 32' Contra Bombarde, and 32' Magnaton, to name a few of the = 8000 pipes in 3 stories of organ chambers plus unenclosed in the room. An ethereal division in the rear ceiling also. Mr. Jasper Sanfilippo spent the evening with us, and was a most congenial host. And Ken Cowan was spectacular! He played Saint-Saens Dance Macabre with lightning flashing outside. Thursday we stayed in the city, hearing an 1882 Steer & Turner in the historic Pullman U. Methodist Church, a Carillon and Aeolian at the U. of Chicago complex plus lunch, and Skinner Opus 685 in the University Chapel. William Osborne played a Tribute to Clarence Eddy on a 1929 = Austin Opus1602 at St. Mary of Perpetual Help Polish RC, and we heard a lecture = on a former Louis Mitchell pipe organ of 1869 from Quebec whose case resides empty in Holy Family RC Church which has had a tumultuous history, but which now has a very brilliant one manual Steinmeyer tracker of 1879 in front recently brought from Germany. Will Headlee gave us an evening recital on yet another Wurlitzer, 1930 = Opus 2065 in Temple Sholom. It was most interesting that both Ken Cowan (from Ontario), and Headlee chose the same classical organ piece to play on a Wurlitzer, that of Healey Willan's Introduction, Passacaglia & Fugue! I wonder what Dr. Willan would have commented! We attempted to sing the Torah Song in Hebrew. Friday took us to northern Indiana, Gary first, with Thomas Brown on a 1963 2 manual Phelps-designed Casavant Opus 2740 in St. Mary of the Lake RC, with a most listenable classic program of Bach, Vierne, and = Dupre, concluding with Brown's prize-winning hymn, "Christ Leads". Then over smalltown back roads to Valparaiso, At St. Paul's RC which holds 3 pipe organs, we heard a superbly restored Johnson tracker of 1883 Opus 615 in the Chapel. The very large clamshell shaped sanctuary has a Casavant 3 manual 1978 41 rank Opus 3383, and the Choir Room has a 1941 Aeolian-Skinner Opus 3015 with 2 manuals, 3 ranks and 207 pipes. We had = a good lunch in the dining hall and a lecture by Stephen Pinel on the Organ Archives, in the parish hall. then it was on to the huge Chapel at Valparaiso University with 1959 Schlicker rebuilt and added to by Dobson Pipe Organ Builders in 1996. A stunning combination of acoustical space and sound. On the way there a funny incidence which had the whole bus laughing, a group of about 16 girls of the same size and appearance came walking down the street wearing identical white dresses and shoes, with identical very blond wigs. ? a singing group perhaps? I noted there was a Dairy Queen = in every town we went through, and I spotted an original A&W Drive-In! The corn in the fields was only about a foot high. We then traveled to LaPorte IN, a Steer & Turner 1871 tracker Opus 45 reb. by Ronald Wahl in 1978-79. Last on the day was a very loud Frank Roosevelt 1891 Opus 506 in Michigan City IN which had been recently moved to the First Congregational Church from a Unitarian Church in Chicago. It would appear that the original = space was much larger, as the organ seemed too "big" for the present church. Since our group had the second sitting at the Blue Chip Casino and had to wait a long time for the table setup, we were very late getting back to Chicago. I reluctantly left on Saturday morning for my daughter's in Wheaton IL where I had spent almost a week earlier, helping babysit 3 small grandchildren, laundry folding etc., playing parts of two services at the church where she is Music Director, St. Mark's, Geneva IL, with a small = Ott tracker, and making a neat trip to the Rochelle Railfan Park about an hour west of Wheaton. Yes, I am a railfan also! And that Saturday was my granddaughter Jaffrey Emilyn Morgan's first birthday. I flew back to Worcester MA on Sunday and took Amtrak to Philadelphia Monday morning, a bit tired from the first part of my "vacation". I was most gratified to be in so many Roman Catholic churches which had retained and treasure their pipe organs. Submitted by Judy Ollikkala, Worcester MA    
(back) Subject: Re: Good organs in lousy rooms From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:14:05 EDT   Dear Colin:   Utterly disagree, but you only came up with one example, and it wasn't a stellar organ by any means. If Leeds is a relatively small church it may work, but I do think you would have to agree, live acoustics would serve the organ and music much better. Empty they sound better than full of people too. I would suppose some churches don't have the full problem any more with all the redundant churches and organs lying around the UK. The next question is, are the churches empty because religion doesn't sell, or could it be that the people are upset with all the social engineering going on and merely stay home out of boredom. I vote for the later case.   What do you think?   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Philadelphia convention From: <Hemivox@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:16:10 EDT   Hello all,   I'm new to pipechat and this is my first posting (hope I'm doing this right). As for the AGO convention in Philly last week, I wasn't there as a conventioneer but I was there on the 4th and the 6th helping with the = organ and concerts at Wanamakers. Although I'm not a "regular" crew member I do occasionally help out when and where I can. I'm am friends however with = many of the crew members working on this instrument. I would like to thank = "David" for his positive comments on the Wanamaker organ and I beleive that I = speak fo the rest of the crew also. These men put in countless hours over the = last few years and especially the last few weeks to insure the instrument was = in the condition that you heard it in at the convention. Many listeners don't =   realize the vast amount of work to restore, repair, and just maintain an organ of this size. I think Kurt Mangel and his crew did an outstanding = job bringing this magnificent instrument back to (and in some cases exceding) = the level of sonic beauty it was intended to originally have.   I must also say that Peter Conte did an outstanding job and showed the organ off in a way that we haven't heard in years. He prepared 12 = different programs for the daily recitals as well as his back-to-back evening = concert on the 4th, and didn't repeat one piece. How the man did it and remained focused all week is beyond me. His playing was so musical and not = mechanical, it was truly like listening to an orchestra. Both days that I was there I = had goosebumps, the lump in the throat, and watery eyes many times. It was an experiance that I'll never forget.   We must also remember to thank Lord and Taylor for making these = concerts possible. Without them we wouldn't be enjoying the organ as we know it = now.   I'm just sorry that I couldn't attend more of the convention, I would = have loved to. But work had different ideas. Maybe next time.   Again, thank you all for your positive comments and support and I'm = glad you enjoyed!!   Barry  
(back) Subject: Re: Christ Church, Oxon, Rieger From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:51:33 +1200   Thanks. We clearly agree. Ross -----Original Message----- From: cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:45 AM Subject: RE: Christ Church, Oxon, Rieger     Ha! Dr Hall was referring to St Mary's Edinburgh...the Episcopalian Cathedral.....not the old Cathedral of St Giles. Rieger re-used the 32ft Open Wood from the Willis incidentally.   The Willis 3 at St Giles had to be the dullest Willis ever made.....awful thing.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK         -----Original Message----- From: "pipechat@pipechat.org" <pipechat@pipechat.org> on behalf of "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Sent: 09 July 2002 22:05 To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: Christ Church, Oxon, Rieger   Just as a matter of interest, I'll ask why any Presbyterian Church in Scotland would want to have an organ quintessentially English, implying Anglican? Ross -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan B. Hall <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:14 AM Subject: Christ Church, Oxon, Rieger     > >Hi-- > >I'm interested to see the comments on the Rieger...especially that it >is widely disliked as an Anglican liturgical instrument. I didn't >experience it in liturgy, but it seemed to me that Clive and Willis >could do rather English sounding things with it--which is not to say >that it is indigenously English. It is certainly a more English >instrument than a very, very unpleasant Rieger in my neck of the woods, >which is perhaps my benchmark. I don't count myself a fan of Rieger, >so this instrument in Oxford really surprised and pleased me. >Certainly, too, the Willis in Edinburgh was more quintessentially >English, as we understand it...Perhaps I am a Guileless Fool... > >I enjoyed it partly because I played Bach on it, of course, and partly >because the touch was so pleasing and the combination action so >elegantly responsive. Yes, it was quite loud, and the acoustics in the >room are surprisingly poor; but it was still a pleasure to play. > >Anyhoo, staff meeting beckons. Ta-ta for now! > >J > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free >http://sbc.yahoo.com > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Christ Church, Oxon, Rieger From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:08:42 +1200   Oh yes, I know those organs you speak of. But when the Willis was = mentioned, I did think you meant St Giles's. I was being thrawn. ("Thrawn" is a Scots word for someone who enjoys being difficult) :-) :-) :-) And by the way, I play the bagpipes, so don't even think of making any implied criticism of that wonderful octopus. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan B. Hall <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Christ Church, Oxon, Rieger     >Subject: Re: Christ Church, Oxon, Rieger >From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> >Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:05:14 +1200 > >Just as a matter of interest, I'll ask why any Presbyterian Church in >Scotland would want to have an organ quintessentially English, implying >Anglican? >Ross > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jonathan B. Hall > ><SNIP> > >>Certainly, too, the Willis in Edinburgh was more quintessentially >>English, as we understand it...Perhaps I am a Guileless Fool... ><SNIP> > > > >-------- >Hi, again-- > >Saint Mary's Cathedral, Edinburgh, is Anglican. > >I know, even the Queen is a Presbyterian in Scotland...anyhow, the >Presbyterian heritage in Scotland militates against organs, period. >The custom was to have a Precentor 'lining out' the metrical psalmody. >Organs were right *verboten* for a long time. > >And what would you suggest as an alternative to the English sound? >There is no such thing as a Scottish pipe organ, unless one counts >their distant cousins that wear plaid and are mouth-blown...the >bagpipes, of course... > >Now, the Queen's own parish in Edinburgh, Cannongate Kirk near >Holyrood, has Frobenius opus 1000, which is a dream--Simon and I both >felt it was one of the prettiest organs we'd ever played. I'd gladly >cross the Atlantic to caress those seventeen ranks again. Perhaps a >distinctly 'Scottish' organ sound could bear witness to Scotland's long >ties to Scandinavia? > >Isn't there in fact a deafeningly loud Rieger in St. Giles, the High >Kirk itself? > >I'd still say that, poor acoustics and cranky vergers notwithstanding, >and apart from liturgical issues, I loved playing the Christ Church >Rieger, and I think I'm going to hold firm on that point. > > > >Best, > >Jon > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free >http://sbc.yahoo.com > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >