PipeChat Digest #2966 - Monday, July 15, 2002
 
RE: loverly wedding
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: Thanks Felix (cross posted)
  by <DrB88@aol.com>
On Cloud Nine
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
RE: A loverly wedding
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
RE: Traditional wedding marches
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
RE: Traditional wedding marches
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
RE: Traditional wedding marches
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
RE: Traditional wedding marches
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Weddings...and stuff
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Re: Bagpipes, formerly lots of topics
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: On Cloud Nine
  by "George Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
Re: Bagpipes, formerly lots of topics
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Bagpipes, formerly lots of topics
  by <Jason418@aol.com>
Re: loverly wedding
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: loverly wedding From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:10:02 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00D4_01C22B8B.95626FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <<<<<<<<, our choir (I have no control over the choir--there is a separate "choir director") has not used the organ for accompaniment for an anthem = in more than 4 years. >>>>>>>>   Me too. Separate choir director (with a big ego), and this choir has = never ever used the organ for accompaniment. Well, you see, it's a pipe organ, and there's this tiny time delay, and the choir director likes to use lots of expression. The pipe organ = has to "lead", it's not the instant feedback of a piano, so yon choir director can't, or doesn't want to, spend the necessary amount of practice time needed to work out both the timing and registration.   And I can't get over hating that phrase "The voice is the only instrument made by God". Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.   If you want to practice, ask for a key and go in at night.   Diane S.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00D4_01C22B8B.95626FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4807.2300" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style"><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D030565502-15072002>&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;,</SPAN>&nbsp;= =3D our choir=3D20 (I have no control over the choir--there is a separate "choir director") = =3D has not=3D20 used the organ for accompaniment for an anthem in more than 4 =3D years.&nbsp;<SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D030565502-15072002>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</SPAN></FONT>= =3D </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style"><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D030565502-15072002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D030565502-15072002></SPAN><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old = =3D Style"><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D030565502-15072002>Me too.&nbsp; Separate choir director (with a = =3D big ego),=3D20 and this choir has never ever used the organ for=3D20 accompaniment.&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D030565502-15072002></SPAN><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old = =3D Style"><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D030565502-15072002>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Well, = =3D you see,=3D20 it's a pipe organ, and there's this&nbsp;tiny time delay, and the choir = =3D director=3D20 likes to use lots of expression.&nbsp; The pipe organ has to =3D "lead",&nbsp;it's=3D20 not the instant feedback of a piano, so yon choir director can't, or =3D doesn't=3D20 want to,&nbsp;spend the necessary amount of practice time needed to work = =3D   out&nbsp;both the timing and=3D20 registration.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style"><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D030565502-15072002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D030565502-15072002></SPAN><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old = =3D Style"><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D030565502-15072002>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And I = =3D can't get=3D20 over hating that phrase "The voice is the only instrument made by=3D20 God".&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style"><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D030565502-15072002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style"><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D030565502-15072002>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you want to practice, = =3D ask for a=3D20 key and go in at night.&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style"><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D030565502-15072002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D030565502-15072002></SPAN><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old = =3D Style"><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D030565502-15072002>Diane =3D S.</SPAN>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00D4_01C22B8B.95626FA0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Thanks Felix (cross posted) From: <DrB88@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:37:31 EDT     --part1_c8.29c8845e.2a639d7b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Thanks for your post, Jeremy. I am sure there are those that will take = issue or offense at what you said, but I for one agree. If we are going to keep =   our craft and our instrument alive in today's world we need to realize = that it will call for some different measures. "Academic" programming may be = OK for AGO Convention recitals and the like, but to reach a cross section of today's community of non-musicians will take something different as you pointed out.   David B. in Chicago     > Diane Bish doesn't need fancy shoes or clothing either, but it's an = added > bonus when watching her play for most people....deal with it. Many = concert > organists (especially ladies) actually "dress up".....what's wrong with = it? > Also, you (if applicable) and all the other elitists in the organist > community should be doing anything BUT snubbing your nose at or speaking =   > ill of Ms. Bish as she has done more to promote the organ to the masses > than ANY of you EVER will. Perhaps that's it....you're all jealous that =   > she can pack in an audience no matter where she goes while your AGO = events > (generally a safe example), meant to attract "crowds", have pitiful > attendance which questions the necessity of even turning on the A/C come =   > concert time. As I recall, Virgil Fox was an object of the same = indignant > snubbing....probably for much the same jealous reason. > > So, who's next.....Felix? Once he gets to the point in life (not far = off) > where his age isn't such a contributing factor to his fame, will he then =   > also be relegated to this select list of "novelty organists"? After = all, > "I've been workin' on the railroad" in Vierne and frequent use of "organ = en > chamade" simply CAN'T be allowed, for it would make the organ in concert = a > joke. HA!....yeah right. The reason these people can/do/did pack in the =   > masses is because the people knew they would be ENTERTAINED and not need = to > load up on coffee beforehand to stay awake! > > I offer apology in advance to the countless people on this list that I = have > likely offended in this post. However, it really BURNS me up when = people > continue to criticize one of the great proponents of the organ for petty =   > reasons. I for one attribute my choice to become a professional = organist > to seeing those very hands flying about the 5 manuals of the Coral Ridge =   > organ on TV. I have no doubt that I am in good company in that respect. > > Felix, keep doing exactly what you're doing....promoting the organ while =   > entertaining the pants off your audiences. We need more of you and less = of > "them". > > Jeremy     --part1_c8.29c8845e.2a639d7b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Thanks for your post, Jeremy.&nbsp; I am sure = there are those that will take issue or offense at what you said, but I = for one agree.&nbsp; If we are going to keep our craft and our instrument = alive in today's world we need to realize that it will call for some = different measures.&nbsp; "Academic" programming may be OK for AGO = Convention recitals and the like, but to reach a cross section of today's = community of non-musicians will take something different as you pointed = out.<BR> <BR> David B. in Chicago<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Diane Bish doesn't = need fancy shoes or clothing either, but it's an added bonus when watching = her play for most people....deal with it.&nbsp; Many concert organists = (especially ladies) actually "dress up".....what's wrong with it?&nbsp; = Also, you (if applicable) and all the other elitists in the organist = community should be doing anything BUT snubbing your nose at or speaking ill of Ms. Bish as she has done = more to promote the organ to the masses than ANY of you EVER will.&nbsp; = Perhaps that's it....you're all jealous that she can pack in an audience = no matter where she goes while your AGO events (generally a safe example), = meant to attract "crowds", have pitiful attendance which questions the = necessity of even turning on the A/C come concert time.&nbsp; As I recall, = Virgil Fox was an object of the same indignant snubbing....probably for = much the same jealous reason.<BR> <BR> So, who's next.....Felix?&nbsp; Once he gets to the point in life (not far = off) where his age isn't such a contributing factor to his fame, will he = then also be relegated to this select list of "novelty organists"?&nbsp; = After all, "I've been workin' on the railroad" in Vierne and frequent use = of "organ en chamade" simply CAN'T be allowed, for it would make the organ = in concert a joke. HA!....yeah right.&nbsp; The reason these people = can/do/did pack in the masses is because the people knew they would be = ENTERTAINED and not need to load up on coffee beforehand to stay = awake!<BR> <BR> I offer apology in advance to the countless people on this list that I = have likely offended in this post.&nbsp; However, it really BURNS me up = when people continue to criticize one of the great proponents of the organ = for petty reasons.&nbsp; I for one attribute my choice to become a = professional organist to seeing those very hands flying about the 5 = manuals of the Coral Ridge organ on TV.&nbsp; I have no doubt that I am in = good company in that respect.<BR> <BR> Felix, keep doing exactly what you're doing....promoting the organ while = entertaining the pants off your audiences.&nbsp; We need more of you and = less of "them".<BR> <BR> Jeremy</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_c8.29c8845e.2a639d7b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: On Cloud Nine From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:45:39 EDT     --part1_139.1135d71c.2a639f63_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Friends, I have just experienced the thrill of a lifetime.   Tonight (Sunday, July 14th) was the Annual Choir Festival at the famed = Ocean Grove Auditorium (New Jersey USA). The Choir was composed of 1,650+ = singers, plus 15 instrumentalists, Gordon Turk at the organ, and 11 conductors (including yours truly). The audience numbered more than 6000.   Although I have been bringing members of my choir for several years, this = was my first experience to conduct at the festival. My piece was John = Rutter's arrangement of "Beautiful River" (Shall We Gather at the River). The = choir sang beautifully and dutifully (grin) and the piece came together.   I cannot really express what I felt while conducting. But it was a truly unbelievable moment, as if I were the newly elected President of the US, giving his inaugural address.   But even MORE overwhelming was the hymn-singing. I shall never forget standing where I stood and hearing what I heard... the kind of singing = that makes these crotchety conductors weep! The hymns were "Crown Him with = Many Crowns", "It Is Well with my Soul", and then the National Anthem (Star Spangled Banner).   Thank you for allowing me to post this personal reflection -- however = meager it is. God's peace to you all this week.   Neil Brown     --part1_139.1135d71c.2a639f63_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Friends, I have just experienced the thrill of a = lifetime.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Tonight (Sunday, July 14th) was the Annual Choir Festival at the famed = Ocean Grove Auditorium (New Jersey USA).&nbsp; The Choir was composed of = 1,650+ singers, plus 15 instrumentalists, Gordon Turk at the organ, and 11 = conductors (including yours truly).&nbsp; The audience numbered more than = 6000.<BR> <BR> Although I have been bringing members of my choir for several years, this = was my first experience to conduct at the festival.&nbsp; My piece was = John Rutter's arrangement of "Beautiful River" (Shall We Gather at the = River).&nbsp; The choir sang beautifully and dutifully (grin) and the = piece came together.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> I cannot really express what I felt while conducting.&nbsp; But it was a = truly unbelievable moment,&nbsp; as if I were the newly elected President = of the US, giving his inaugural address.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> But even MORE overwhelming was the hymn-singing.&nbsp; I shall never = forget standing where I stood and hearing what I heard... the kind of = singing that makes these crotchety conductors weep!&nbsp; The hymns were = "Crown Him with Many Crowns", "It Is Well with my Soul", and then the = National Anthem (Star Spangled Banner).<BR> <BR> Thank you for allowing me to post this personal reflection -- however = meager it is.&nbsp; God's peace to you all this week.<BR> <BR> Neil Brown<BR> &nbsp; <BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_139.1135d71c.2a639f63_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: A loverly wedding From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:30:57 -0500   As old as this argument has become, I feel compelled to respectfully = respond to Malcolm:   >A couple that would either > know or care about the operatic significance of the Wagner and = Mendelssohn > pieces would be a rare thing indeed - possibly one in a million. > The Wagner is much loved by many for the perceived reality of its = message which is, > like it or not, "Here Comes the Bride." The Mendelssohn makes for a = great > and joyous ending, and since few know or care about its place in the > Shakespeare play, for what earthly reason would one deny this > music to those who have loved it at their friends' weddings, and crave = it for their own? > This all sounds like ponderous Misery Synod thinking.     I take slight offense to this...this is not just a "MISSOURI" Synod thing, nor are we ponderous. I've heard this of other denominations as well. = How about "Because they are old, expected, and routine" as good reasons not to use these two pieces? There is an abundance of beautifully written music which has not appeared in every television program or movie where a = wedding is taking place. I for one feel that they lack any character simply from overuse. I just used the Mendelssohn at a wedding a couple weeks back, = and I felt cheesy playing it even then. Not to mention the Wagner, which to = me lacks any dignity any more. (Notice I said "to ME"...if you like it, then you're welcome to it.)   Of course, now, on the other side of the coin, I have to admit that the Trumpet Voluntary, the more commonly used (I believe) piece nowadays is starting to lose its charm to me as an organist as well. I think a better discussion, rather than this tired debate, would be a sharing of what alternatives could be offered to a bride and groom. Walter Pelz has a really neat Festive Intrada that he wrote for a wedding he played, and he finally was persuaded to publish it. (I think that's the title...I'm working on cold meds here.)   I can't tell you how many brides and grooms I'd met with who, after = telling them "OK, but let me play some pieces to see if maybe one of these would strike you as better" have told me how much more they liked NOT using Wagner/Mendelssohn. It just adds a touch of something special, IMHO.   Kindest regards, and with respect, Jeff    
(back) Subject: RE: Traditional wedding marches From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:31:01 -0500   > In some cases issues like this simply justify the perception > there often is of those of us in the music profession as being > "stuffy" and unable to relate to those for whom we play and to > whom we minister.   That doesn't come from educating brides on why to use something less "traditional" but from attitude. I've never given a bride cause to feel I was unapproachable or hard-nosed. I've always said to them, "Let me play = a few pieces to see if maybe you find one of these better", but in the end, = if they insisted on being "traditional", I'd yield so long as the church permits their use. I personally want to gag whenever I hear either of = them in church or in entertainment. :-)   Jeff    
(back) Subject: RE: Traditional wedding marches From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:30:59 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C22B8E.8298D640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bruce, with due respect, should we drop every piece from our wedding repertoire because the wedding ended in divorce later? I think that's a = bit different, and a bit of a stretch, IMHO. :-)   Jeff -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Cremona502@cs.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:15 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Traditional wedding marches     In a message dated 7/14/02 11:27:59 AM Atlantic Daylight Time, kzrev@rr1.net writes:   I really can't understand why anyone would want to use either piece   there are so many things which are so much better   and that do not convey such negative connotations     Trumpet Voluntary, among other things was used to Charles and Diana..... not a particularly happy connotation!   Bruce in the Muttestery   with the Baskerbeagles at HowlingAcres http://members.tripod.com/brucon502 ... need extra money??? visit http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053 enjoy shopping?? visit www.freestoreclub.com/go/BDawg     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C22B8E.8298D640 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D480482704-15072002><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>Bruce,=3D20 with due respect, should we drop every piece from our wedding repertoire = =3D because=3D20 the wedding ended in divorce later?&nbsp; I think that's a bit =3D different, and a=3D20 bit of a stretch, IMHO. :-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D480482704-15072002><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D480482704-15072002><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>Jeff</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid"> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr align=3D3Dleft><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of=3D20 </B>Cremona502@cs.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:15=3D20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =3D Traditional=3D20 wedding marches<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT = =3D lang=3D3D0=3D20 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">In a message dated = 7/14/02 =3D 11:27:59 AM=3D20 Atlantic Daylight Time, kzrev@rr1.net writes: <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">I really can't understand why anyone would want to use = =3D either=3D20 piece<BR><BR>there are so many things which are so much =3D better<BR><BR>and=3D20 that do not convey such negative =3D connotations</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Trumpet=3D20 Voluntary, among other things was used to Charles and =3D Diana.....&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 not a particularly happy connotation!<BR><BR>Bruce in the = Muttestery=3D20 <BR><BR>with the Baskerbeagles at&nbsp; <A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://members.tripod.com/brucon502">HowlingAcres</A>&nbsp;&nbsp;= =3D =3D20 http://members.tripod.com/brucon502<BR>...&nbsp; need extra=3D20 money???&nbsp;&nbsp; visit&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053<BR>enjoy shopping??&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 visit&nbsp; www.freestoreclub.com/go/BDawg=3D20 <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C22B8E.8298D640--    
(back) Subject: RE: Traditional wedding marches From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:35:09 -0500   .... and so much else that is now considered "traditional" for certain > holidays and feasts? And most of these have no more "religious" > connotations > than the Wagner and Mendelssohn wedding marches.   Excellent point. And even going into the hymnody...Greensleeves and other were drinking songs...right?   I think it becomes less an issue of appropriateness as it does having = tired of hearing it, and certainly a lot of those other pieces mentioned fit = that as well...but only because we do a LOT of weddings. Most folks getting married have only been to a few, comparatively. :-)   I think it behooves us as organists to always bring fresh new material to use. I like telling brides "I've never used this piece in a wedding before", or even "this is used a lot, but this is why I think it's better........."   Would not a minister have say over the ceremony on WHY things are they way they are? Why should we as musicians not set a standard for what is expected of the music? Churches are NOT wedding chapels...they were not built for the bride, they were built for the worship and praise of God. = If you want to have something cheesy, go to Vegas. If you want to get = married in the church, then expect to follow the guidelines.   Regards, Jeff    
(back) Subject: RE: Traditional wedding marches From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:36:56 -0500   > Alan, who admits nonetheless that there are zillions of brides who don't > know the distinction between "OK," "somewhat better," and "stunning." = But > there are quite a few who do; I won't be a legalist about it: give in = on > some, but provide leadership where it's welcome.   UH UH...no sorry...I refer to an earlier post I just made. Provide leadership, and listen to suggestion, but the church authority (pastor/organist) has the final say. If that isn't welcome, then go to Vegas... I don't care how much the bride is paying to the church, it is = not rental, it's fee.   Jeff    
(back) Subject: Weddings...and stuff From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:41:59 -0500   OK, folks, before you all start hitting reply, I'm dealing with a cold, = and I'm cantankerous. I merely intended to give my opinion, but it came off a little bullish. You all do whatever you want in your parishes, but any wedding *I* play will be under the guidelines I shared with you. I = respect your rights to lead your way, and ask that you do the same for me. :-)   Have a good week!!   Jeff    
(back) Subject: Re: Bagpipes, formerly lots of topics From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:14:50 +1200   The joke's lost on me, as there are no Wicks organs in NZ. Please explain...... :-) Ross -----Original Message----- From: John L. Speller <jlspeller@mindspring.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, July 15, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Bagpipes, formerly lots of topics     >Ross & Lynda Wards wrote: >> >> > It might be interesting to trace it >> >back to the inventors of the instrument. >> >> Thanks, Ron. I have several books on the history of the pipes. Fascinating. >> They certainly are very ancient in origin. The present Highland pipes only >> became what they are now about 200 years ago, > >Highland pipes -- 200 years? I thought Wicks had only been >in business 96 years. > >John. > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: On Cloud Nine From: "George Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:41:25 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00E7_01C22B8F.F76C9000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Neil,   Thanks for expressing what you felt about the Ocean Grove evening. I =3D always wait for those magical moments that we can experience as a =3D musician .. it may happen only once every two or three years... but it =3D makes the life of a musician worth every minute of the hassles, =3D problems, and other stuff we wade through! Thanks for sharing.   Sand   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00E7_01C22B8F.F76C9000 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Neil,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Thanks for expressing what you felt about the Ocean = =3D Grove=3D20 evening.&nbsp; I always wait for those magical moments that we can =3D experience as=3D20 a musician .. it may happen only once every two or three years... but it = =3D makes=3D20 the life of a musician worth every minute of the hassles, problems, and = =3D other=3D20 stuff we wade through!&nbsp; Thanks for sharing.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Sand</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00E7_01C22B8F.F76C9000--    
(back) Subject: Re: Bagpipes, formerly lots of topics From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:59:24 -0400       Ross & Lynda Wards wrote:   > The joke's lost on me, as there are no Wicks organs in NZ. Please > explain...... :-) > Ross   Hi Ross, I don't necessarily agree with the author's sentiment here, but think pavement rollers. I think the suggestion here is that some Wicks might = share DNA with the Bagpipes. :-) Mike    
(back) Subject: Re: Bagpipes, formerly lots of topics From: <Jason418@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:02:02 EDT   Actually, the reference to Highland related to the fact that the Wicks = Organ Company is located in HIGHLAND, Illinois, USA.  
(back) Subject: Re: loverly wedding From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:07:27 EDT   In a message dated 7/14/02 10:55:36 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, jhumbert@ptd.net writes:   << I wonder if anyone else struggles with the same difficulties. >>   Alas, most of us have struggled with these problems at one time or = another.   Regarding the canned accompaniments, my recommendation is to forget it and = be willing to accompany ANYTHING when asked. If this is what the choir director wants then there is no point in trying to change his mind. THeir =   egos are larger than your bass speakers!   Regarding the speakers being over the pastor's study.... there is nothing = you can do about that except stop practicing when he is in his study and try = not to play so loud so often, especially when you're practicing. There is really no reason to practice full tilt so much.   Be glad that you have a job that you basically enjoy. Don't get too concerned over machines being used in place of the organ. Just don't worry about it until it effects your salary or your job is eliminated. = As we used to say: just take the money and run!   It is very frustrating, but not a battle that organists can win.   Best of luck and deepest sympathy!!   Bruce in the Muttestery