PipeChat Digest #2971 - Wednesday, July 17, 2002
 
Re: Trying to get multiple organists/directors accepted in music budget
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Coil Resistance
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Shchedrin, Bach, Alain, and Freight Train Music
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Trying to get multiple organists/directors accepted in music budget From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:18:52 EDT     --part1_72.1f5cb667.2a6603dc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   The director/organist sounds like he is earning every nickel he gets. It =   also appears that he enjoys being organist, which I presume means playing = the service music, hymns, and most of the voluntaries. (you didn't mention = what your accompanist duties are). <I would like to stay working in this church I like under a gifted = musician, but I want and need to be the organist/accompanist, not just the = accompanist position.> hmmmm.... "Thou shalt not covet" comes to mind. You are in what appears = to be an excellent place for playing and learning which will give you = excellent experience and probably a great reference when a good job presents itself.   < I think he screwed himself by accepting the director position when he = was the organist and remained the organist.) I told him that he should be = getting at least his salary for just being the director!>   It doesn't appear that he did too badly, essentially doubling his salary!   <And as organist/accompanist, my salary should grow from $4000 to $13K to 16K! If my salary does not grow in this way here, I will have to leave and =   find an organist position elsewhere. >   Why would you HAVE to leave and find an organist position elsewhere? It seems that you have been doing ok previously. Perhaps your salary expectations are reasonable from an organists standpoint, but it appears = that the parish you're in does not concur and therefore the point is moot.   <I need a 1/4 to 1/2 time organist position just to develop as an = organist! (I've been playing 2 years and just passed an AGO exam.)>   I don't see why. It appears that you are in a position that is providing =   you with excellent training and experience which is invaluable and almost nonexistent elsewhere.   < One Lutheran church who has lost 25% membership is wooing me but I would =   prefer to continue working with the gifted director of music at the = Episcopal church.>   Life is a series of trade-offs. Do you want to work in a church that is losing membership and likely does not have the quality music program and organ that you are enjoying now? You will be learning and gaining new experiences there, but they are in a different denomination. Is that a denomination to plan to continue in? Is the new experience going to be = as valuable as the training you're receiving in your present post?   < The director is also my organ teacher and has me singing in a = professional choir on Sundays and other days of the week at other churches.>   It appears that you would be giving up a great deal of excellent learning = and experience just for more money. Good church jobs are few and far = between. You want to be ready when one presents itself.   Help! How do we revamp the job positions in the music dept. at the = Episcopal church?   You don't!! You are not in the position as an assistant to be asserting yourself in ways that would have such an impact on the job of the person = whom you assist. IMHO you are treading periously close to disaster and risking =   everything, including your reputation, for "a few sheckels." It would = make many people nervous to feel that you are after even part of their job. I =   think you seriously need to back off, accept the position as it is, and = thank your lucky stars that you are fortunate enough to be working with such talent.   <Only one of the 2 services has music. The early service has no music. = There is talk of canvassing that elderly congregation to see if I could play = organ for that service and so get paid more and get more experience. There is = also talk of a small choir at the early service.>   As one who like to attend the 8am service, I can tell you that most people = at that hour do NOT want any music. The addition of a sermon was hard enough = to take! Very few people feel like singing at that hour, and very few = people want the service to be longer. The only time I've ever had positive comments from adding music to an 8am service was when I snuck in just as communion was beginning and played quietly during communion. I also = played a quiet postlude at the conclusion of the service. No hymn was added and = the music was quiet. You would gain little experience from that. I idea = of a choir at 8 am is really just talk. I'd be shocked if it came to be. As = a singer there is NO WAY I would sing regularly at an early service. = Easter is plenty!   <I am not only the accompanist currently. I also help out the director in many ways: music librarian, publicity for events, choir database = assistant, choir emailer.>   The approach I would recommend would be for the Organist/Director to recommend a raise for you as assistant because of the additional and invaluable support work that you do. The raise would not increase your salary a great deal, but it would be a start.   <Meanwhile the decisionmakers may drag their feet or not come to any = decision yet and I feel I have to jump at a better job before the Fall starts...>   I really don't see why you need to leave, and you did not indicate that = there actually was a better job available. Moving to a dying parish does not register as "better." My recommendation is to stay where you are, reign = in your financial ambitions and continue your study, learning, and experience =   until a suitable job does come up. This would be a job that would = provide you with everything you now have, as well as those things that you WANT = that your teacher now has. Consider how you would feel as organist/director with some up-start nipping at your heels to get part of your job. It = ain't pretty. Enjoy being a student. Having all the responsibility is a royal =   pain. If you are in a position which allows you to have good choral experience, good organ experience, good training, and some playing = experience WITHOUT the headaches... I say, kick back and enjoy!!!   <The rector is near retirement...>   Arrgh! If this is the case, I emphasize, STAY WHERE YOU ARE. A new = rector may come in and destroy the whole program and you'll find youself out on = the street anyway. In this day and age, especially for Episcopalians, my advice is enjoy it while you can. The days of good music are numbered! = I wish it were not so!         Bruce in the Muttestery   with the Baskerbeagles at <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = http://members.tripod.com/brucon502 .... need extra money??? visit http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053 enjoy shopping?? visit www.freestoreclub.com/go/BDawg   --part1_72.1f5cb667.2a6603dc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">The director/organist sounds like he is earning = every nickel he gets.&nbsp;&nbsp; It also appears that he enjoys being = organist, which I presume means playing the service music, hymns, and most = of the voluntaries. (you didn't mention what your accompanist duties = are).<BR> <BR> &lt;I would like to stay working in this church I like under a gifted = musician, but I want and need to be the organist/accompanist, not just the = accompanist position.&gt; <BR> hmmmm....&nbsp; "Thou shalt not covet" comes to mind.&nbsp;&nbsp; You are = in what appears to be an excellent place for playing and learning which = will give you excellent experience and probably a great reference when a = good job presents itself.<BR> <BR> &lt; I think he screwed himself by accepting the director position when he = was the organist and remained the organist.) I told him that he should be = getting at least his salary for just being the director!&gt; <BR> <BR> It doesn't appear that he did too badly, essentially doubling his = salary!<BR> <BR> &lt;And as organist/accompanist, my salary should grow from $4000 to $13K = to 16K! If my salary does not grow in this way here, I will have to leave = and find an organist position elsewhere. &gt;<BR> <BR> Why would you HAVE to leave and find an organist position = elsewhere?&nbsp;&nbsp; It seems that you have been doing ok = previously.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Perhaps your salary expectations are = reasonable from an organists standpoint, but it appears that the parish = you're in does not concur and therefore the point is moot.<BR> <BR> &lt;I need a 1/4 to 1/2 time organist position just to develop as an = organist! (I've been playing 2 years and just passed an AGO exam.)&gt;<BR> <BR> I don't see why.&nbsp;&nbsp; It appears that you are in a position that is = providing you with excellent training and experience which is invaluable = and almost nonexistent elsewhere.<BR> <BR> &lt; One Lutheran church who has lost 25% membership is wooing me but I = would prefer to continue working with the gifted director of music at the = Episcopal church.&gt;<BR> <BR> Life is a series of trade-offs.&nbsp; Do you want to work in a church that = is losing membership and likely does not have the quality music program = and organ that you are enjoying now?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You will be = learning and gaining new experiences there, but they are in a different = denomination.&nbsp; Is that a denomination to plan to continue = in?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is the new experience going to be as valuable as the = training you're receiving in your present post?<BR> <BR> &lt; The director is also my organ teacher and has me singing in a = professional choir on Sundays and other days of the week at other = churches.&gt;<BR> <BR> It appears that you would be giving up a great deal of excellent learning = and experience just for more money.&nbsp;&nbsp; Good church jobs are few = and far between.&nbsp;&nbsp; You want to be ready when one presents = itself.<BR> <BR> Help! How do we revamp the job positions in the music dept. at the = Episcopal church? <BR> <BR> You don't!!&nbsp; You are not in the position as an assistant to be = asserting yourself in ways that would have such an impact on the job of = the person whom you assist.&nbsp; IMHO you are treading periously close to = disaster and risking everything, including your reputation, for "a few = sheckels."&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It would make many people nervous to feel = that you are after even part of their job.&nbsp;&nbsp; I think you = seriously need to back off, accept the position as it is, and thank your = lucky stars that you are fortunate enough to be working with such = talent.<BR> <BR> &lt;Only one of the 2 services has music. The early service has no music. = There is talk of canvassing that elderly congregation to see if I could = play organ for that service and so get paid more and get more experience. = There is also talk of a small choir at the early service.&gt;<BR> <BR> As one who like to attend the 8am service, I can tell you that most people = at that hour do NOT want any music.&nbsp; The addition of a sermon was = hard enough to take!&nbsp;&nbsp; Very few people feel like singing at that = hour, and very few people want the service to be longer.&nbsp;&nbsp; The = only time I've ever had positive comments from adding music to an 8am = service was when I snuck in just as communion was beginning and played = quietly during communion.&nbsp;&nbsp; I also played a quiet postlude at = the conclusion of the service.&nbsp; No hymn was added and the music was = quiet.&nbsp;&nbsp; You would gain little experience from = that.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I idea of a choir at 8 am is really just = talk.&nbsp; I'd be shocked if it came to be.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As a singer = there is NO WAY I would sing regularly at an early service.&nbsp;&nbsp; = Easter is plenty!<BR> <BR> &lt;I am not only the accompanist currently. I also help out the director = in many ways: music librarian, publicity for events, choir database = assistant, choir emailer.&gt;<BR> <BR> The approach I would recommend would be for the Organist/Director to = recommend a raise for you as assistant because of the additional and = invaluable support work that you do.&nbsp; The raise would not increase = your salary a great deal, but it would be a start.&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR> &lt;Meanwhile the decisionmakers may drag their feet or not come to any decision yet and I feel I have to jump at a = better job before the Fall starts...&gt;<BR> <BR> I really don't see why you need to leave, and you did not indicate that = there actually was a better job available.&nbsp;&nbsp; Moving to a dying = parish does not register as "better."&nbsp;&nbsp; My recommendation is to = stay where you are, reign in your financial ambitions and continue your = study, learning, and experience until a suitable job does come = up.&nbsp;&nbsp; This would be a job that would provide you with everything = you now have, as well as those things that you WANT that your teacher now = has.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Consider how you would feel as organist/director = with some up-start nipping at your heels to get part of your job.&nbsp; It = ain't pretty.&nbsp;&nbsp; Enjoy being a student.&nbsp; Having all the = responsibility is a royal pain.&nbsp; If you are in a position which = allows you to have good choral experience, good organ experience, good = training, and some playing experience WITHOUT the headaches...&nbsp; I = say, kick back and enjoy!!!<BR> <BR> &lt;The rector is near retirement...&gt;<BR> <BR> Arrgh!&nbsp;&nbsp; If this is the case, I emphasize, STAY WHERE YOU = ARE.&nbsp;&nbsp; A new rector may come in and destroy the whole program = and you'll find youself out on the street anyway.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In = this day and age, especially for Episcopalians, my advice is enjoy it = while you can.&nbsp; The days of good music are numbered!&nbsp;&nbsp; I = wish it were not so!<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> Bruce in the Muttestery <BR> <BR> with the Baskerbeagles at&nbsp; <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/brucon502">HowlingAcres</A>&nbsp;&nbsp; = http://members.tripod.com/brucon502<BR> ....&nbsp; need extra money???&nbsp;&nbsp; visit&nbsp;&nbsp; = http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053<BR> enjoy shopping??&nbsp;&nbsp; visit&nbsp; www.freestoreclub.com/go/BDawg = <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_72.1f5cb667.2a6603dc_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Coil Resistance From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:14:27 EDT     --part1_10d.14c6883e.2a6610e3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/15/2002 7:45:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, soulek@frontiernet.net writes:     > I am going to be building a chest for the lowest 15 notes of an 8' > Stopped Diapason (stopped wooden flute). My direct-electric magnets have > 125 ohm resistance---will this be enough, or do I need 90 ohm magnets > for the lowest pipes? >   What is the pallet diameter and the wind pressure of these pipes, you = might find that you will need to use a 40 or 60 ohm magnet (perhaps even heavy-duty-pull type magnet that both Peterson and OSI(Reisner type 2) = make. You may also find that the transistor drivers may need to be upgraded to handle the additional current demand.   Rick in VA   --part1_10d.14c6883e.2a6610e3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/15/2002 7:45:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, soulek@frontiernet.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I am going to be = building a chest for the lowest 15 notes of an 8' <BR>Stopped Diapason (stopped wooden flute). My direct-electric magnets = have <BR>125 ohm resistance---will this be enough, or do I need 90 ohm magnets <BR>for the lowest pipes? <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>What is the pallet diameter and the wind pressure of these pipes, you = might find that you will need to use a 40 or 60 ohm magnet (perhaps even = heavy-duty-pull type magnet that both Peterson and OSI(Reisner type 2) = make. You may also find that the transistor drivers may need to be = upgraded to handle the additional current demand. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_10d.14c6883e.2a6610e3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Shchedrin, Bach, Alain, and Freight Train Music From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:59:56 -0500   Two corrections need to be made to previous posts:   (1) My remark about Shchedrin's 24 preludes and the allusion to the Well-Tempered Clavier was in error. I listened again to this recording on the way to court this morning and recognized the Invention No. 8. The down side to this recording is that the selections were not segmented into tracks - the entire 24 preludes were on one track. I've told you attorneys cannot count, so I can't tell you which prelude improvised upon the No. 8.   (2) Several people mentioned to me that I should hear Marie-Claire Alain's rendering of the Alain Litanies. This morning I grabbed a handful of CDs on the way out the door. This afternoon while having to detour out of my way home I listened to one, which happened to be Marie-Claire's CD of toccatas, including the - you guessed it. It came to me that some things just sound better at a faster tempo, the Litanies being one, another being Felix Hell's performance of the Bach D major.   Regarding "freight train music", it is a term invented by myself after the 1996 AGO National Convention and my exposure to the works commissioned for that occasion. I came back and told my organ teacher that I heard a lot of freight train music. He asked me what that was, and I replied that it was music generally of twentieth century composition which sounds like a freight train coming, the freight train's arrival, and the freight train's departure. This from one who has lived within a baseball's throw of the train tracks all her life except for the 3 years of law school and the last 5 years.   If you use my term, it is copyrighted, and you must properly attribute it to Glenda, the Good Witch of the South.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com   (who did battle with some scumbag illiterate lying lawyers today)