PipeChat Digest #2988 - Sunday, July 28, 2002
 
RE: Organs in Films
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re: Lorenz music and digressions
  by "John & Fran Meyers" <jack-fran1@cox.net>
Trumpet Voluntary----Diane Bish
  by "straight" <straight@infoblvd.net>
RE: Wedding blues
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Re: Lorenz music and digressions
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
RE: Organs in Films
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
RE: late weddings
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Organs in Films From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 19:57:53 +0000   "Jonathan" <jhumbert@ptd.net> Dear Jonathan, Cool it man! Try a Greek wedding - or any concert, play, what have you! Nothing ever starts until at least 30 mins after the advertised time! I = used to get worked up about it, but now - what the hell! "Ellada Einai" - in other words, it's Greece and that's the style here. It's far more relaxing =   than the UK/USA - no one worries. The perfect cure for impatience used to = be a trip by Greek train 10 years ago. You left time behind. It did not = matter. It's not quite like that now - the Intercity trains run pretty well according to plan - but I regret the passing of the old days. The way that =   time is looked at is actually quite different. We can all learn from it! John Foss http://www.geocities.com/harfo32/JohnFossathome.html     _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Lorenz music and digressions From: "John & Fran Meyers" <jack-fran1@cox.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:33:02 -0700   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001F_01C23572.21A4FD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   No one has mentioned the Lorenz publication "Sacred Organ Journal"; a =3D slight step above "Organ Portfolio", but accessible. I use it quite =3D often. I used to be embarassed to admit it, but not anymore. I slog =3D along Sunday after Sunday and just don't have time to master the =3D "masterpieces". Fran ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Cremona502@cs.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Lorenz music and digressions     In a message dated 7/27/02 11:04:42 AM Atlantic Daylight Time, =3D gksjd85@direcway.com writes:=3D20   I found Lorenz music to be indispensable when I was starting out as = =3D an organist =3DE2=3D80=3D93 snip... Lorenz had some lovely things which = were =3D enjoyed by the congregations, and was very useful to me on those =3D multiple-trial weeks.   I have come to the conclusion that church congregations prefer the =3D =3DE2=3D80=3D9Chum along=3DE2=3D80=3D9D interpretations of familiar music = to the =3D classical.=3D20       ------=3D_NextPart_000_001F_01C23572.21A4FD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   =3DEF=3DBB=3DBF<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 = Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; = charset=3D3Dutf-8"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>No one has mentioned the Lorenz =3D publication "Sacred=3D20 Organ Journal"; a slight step above "Organ Portfolio", but accessible. I = =3D use it=3D20 quite often. I used to be embarassed to admit it, but not anymore. I =3D slog along=3D20 Sunday after Sunday and just don't have time to master the =3D "masterpieces".=3D20 Fran</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DCremona502@cs.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 27, 2002 = =3D 11:21=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Lorenz music = and=3D20 digressions</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">In a message dated 7/27/02 11:04:42 AM Atlantic = =3D Daylight=3D20 Time, <A href=3D3D"mailto:gksjd85@direcway.com">gksjd85@direcway.com</A> = =3D writes:=3D20 <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" =3D face=3D3DArial=3D20 color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">I found Lorenz music to be indispensable when I was =3D starting out=3D20 as an organist =3DE2=3D80=3D93&nbsp; snip...&nbsp; Lorenz had some = lovely =3D things which=3D20 were enjoyed by the congregations, and was very useful to me on =3D those=3D20 multiple-trial weeks.</FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D3 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT=3D20 lang=3D3D0 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">I have come to the conclusion that church =3D congregations=3D20 prefer the =3DE2=3D80=3D9Chum along=3DE2=3D80=3D9D interpretations of = familiar =3D music to the classical.=3D20 </FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" =3D face=3D3DArial=3D20 color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D3 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 = =3D size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001F_01C23572.21A4FD80--      
(back) Subject: Trumpet Voluntary----Diane Bish From: "straight" <straight@infoblvd.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:58:34 -0400   <<<<<<<<<<< Diane Bish's Trumpet Voluntary. Thanks again, Paul>>>>>>>   The piece is Trumpet Voluntary by John Stanley, edited by DB.   The book is:   "Diane Bish, Classical Organ Favorites, Service Music for Organ, Arrangements by Diane Bish" ------(oh yeah, 4 lines of title, getting smaller going down)   Mine is published by Gentry Publications, copyright 1988. Has a number---JG0697   I think it's commonly available, maybe Pepper. I think I bought it in a music store.   Diane S.  
(back) Subject: RE: Wedding blues From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:48:52 +0100   Hello,   I have a view about late weddings and delays...for an Organist, such = things are but a brief MOMENT of regret.   Consider the happy couple.....a whole life-time of regrets!   The worst I can ever recall was a fainting incident when the newly = married husband keeled over in church. This resulted in the Bride = sitting at the organ console in tears as Paramedics attended the = stricken Groom.   Playing music which hovered uncomfortably between this world and the = next (reflective but with a hint of pathos,just in case) . I actually = intended to say, "Don't worry, he's in good hands now".   With more than a hint of doubt in my mind, what I actually said was, = "Don't worry....He's in God's hands now."   The reaction from the poor Bride really required Valium, but she had to = make do with my etherial improvisations due to the fact that I had run = out of music.   Financially, it would have been a good moment to lead straight into a = funeral service, but he made a full recovery and staggered to the back = of the church for what must have been some very strange photographs.   The only incident which ever matched this was the Bride who, on = commencing the final "March", got a high heel stuck down a grilled = heating duct and then lifted it clean out (a strong woman with very = solid legs). The resultant "clang" would have befitted the "Anvil = Chorus". She eventually hobbled out of church with one heel.   Weddings can be such fun, especially when the clergy louse up.   Like the Methodist Minister who, in complete seriousness (tinged with = naivety), likened love and marriage to a coal fire. I yawned as he = droned on, and on, and on, and on.....but his homily came to a brilliant = and unexpected end.   ".....love and marriage are rather like that coal fire. In time, the = flames of love grow dull and we are left with the mere glowing embers. = Those of us who are married know only too well that, in this situation, = it requires a good poke to revive the flames!"   Many a true word!! ;-)   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK      
(back) Subject: Re: Lorenz music and digressions From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 00:59:37 EDT     --part1_187.b6e8c87.2a74d439_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I use both books now and find something refreshing in both of them. I = must admit, it has improved through the years. Lee   --part1_187.b6e8c87.2a74d439_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I use both books now = and find something refreshing in both of them. &nbsp;I must admit, it has = improved through the years. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_187.b6e8c87.2a74d439_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Organs in Films From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 00:06:02 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0019_01C235CA.8F6AC400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   > I played for 20 extra minutes (and it was hot to begin with). Needless to say (and this was the first time this happened to me), I was incensed; however, I had already given them my fee. My question is this, what do = you do with a situation like that? Is it just a, "oh, too bad," for the organist or should something be discussed beforehand? I just wondered = what "conventional organist wisdom" (have you ever heard of that before) said about this situation. Thanks. Jonathan, sadly, there isn't much, IMHO, you can do in this situation. = I can totally relate, but when it comes down to it, you're paid, and that's the fee. There may have been a really good reason why the bride wasn't dressed on time (and you're right...that would have been a GREAT processional!) The way I see it, just like salaried employees, we're paid to do a job, not for the amount of time it takes to do that job.   Now, I did blow my stack at a wedding once. It was 20 minutes after the start time, the church bells had been rung, and everything was supposedly ready...except the Bride. I stopped playing, walked down from the loft. Began the descent to the basement where the bridal gals were getting = ready. Luckily, I was met 1/2 way up the stairs by a young girl. I brusquely = asked what the problem was, and I forget what the reply was. I curtly said, "Well, everyone's ready...the mothers are seated, the bells have rung...we need to go NOW." I marched back up. Within MINUTES...and I mean SHORT minutes, I got the high sign to go. Gee.....do we REALLY have more power than we realize??? :-)   Regards, Jeff   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0019_01C235CA.8F6AC400 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4728.2300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style"><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D950090205-28072002>&gt;</SPAN>&nbsp; I played for 20 extra =3D minutes (and it=3D20 was hot to begin with).&nbsp; Needless to say (and this was the first =3D time this=3D20 happened to me), I was incensed; however, I had already given them my =3D fee.&nbsp;=3D20 My question is this, what do you do with a situation like that?&nbsp; Is = =3D it just=3D20 a, "oh, too bad," for the organist or should something be discussed=3D20 beforehand?&nbsp; I just wondered what "conventional organist wisdom" =3D (have you=3D20 ever heard of that before) said about this situation.&nbsp; =3D Thanks.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D950090205-28072002><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old =3D Style">Jonathan,=3D20 sadly, there isn't much, IMHO, you can do in this situation.&nbsp; I =3D can=3D20 totally relate, but when it comes down to it, you're paid, and that's = =3D the=3D20 fee.&nbsp; There may have been a really good reason why the bride =3D wasn't=3D20 dressed on time (and you're right...that would have been a GREAT=3D20 processional!)&nbsp; The way I see it, just like salaried employees, =3D we're=3D20 paid to do a job, not for the amount of time it takes to do that =3D job.&nbsp;=3D20 </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D950090205-28072002><FONT=3D20 face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D950090205-28072002><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old =3D Style">Now, I did=3D20 blow my stack at a wedding once.&nbsp; It was 20 minutes after the =3D start time,=3D20 the church bells had been rung, and everything was supposedly =3D ready...except=3D20 the Bride.&nbsp; I stopped playing, walked down from the loft.&nbsp; =3D Began the=3D20 descent to the basement where the bridal gals were getting =3D ready.&nbsp;=3D20 Luckily, I was met 1/2 way up the stairs by a young girl.&nbsp; I =3D brusquely=3D20 asked what the problem was, and I forget what the reply was.&nbsp; I =3D curtly=3D20 said, "Well, everyone's ready...the mothers are seated, the bells have = =3D   rung...we need to go NOW."&nbsp; I marched back up.&nbsp; Within =3D MINUTES...and=3D20 I mean SHORT minutes, I got the high sign to go.&nbsp; Gee.....do we =3D REALLY=3D20 have more power than we realize???&nbsp; :-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D950090205-28072002><FONT=3D20 face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D950090205-28072002><FONT=3D20 face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style">Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D950090205-28072002><FONT=3D20 face=3D3D"Bookman Old =3D Style">Jeff</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0019_01C235CA.8F6AC400--    
(back) Subject: RE: late weddings From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 00:08:09 -0500   > HOWEVER, in a large RC church with multiple weddings EVERY Saturday, > they DID sweat it. Couples were told from the outset: "You will have the > church for TWO HOURS, PERIOD. There will BE no late starts or running > over. The pictures WILL be finished on time."   Now this is a good point! My previous church...the pastor would say at = the rehearsal: "Now, what time is the wedding??" (he'd get an answer) = "That's right...so we must be ready at 10 minutes before...the processional starts at (wedding time.)" I think this is a good way of doing it...even though = it RARELY works.   Ladies, honestly, what have you experienced as brides that may have caused = a delay, because we men organists don't get it! :-)   Jeff