PipeChat Digest #2994 - Wednesday, July 31, 2002
 
width of the black keys on organs
  by "Ray Kimber" <ray@kimber.com>
Re: 9-11 Service
  by "Bob and Jane Hanudel" <hanudel@schoollink.net>
Re: 9-11 Service
  by "Scott Davis" <stalan@ix.netcom.com>
Re: From Oldtime Radio-L
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: From Oldtime Radio-L
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
RE: 9-11 Service
  by "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net>
Re: width of the black keys on organs
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: 9-11 Service
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
RE: Looking for an Interim Organist/Choir Director
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: width of the black keys on organs
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
[Fwd: Re: width of the black keys on organs]
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Looking for an Interim Organist/Choir Director
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
 

(back) Subject: width of the black keys on organs From: "Ray Kimber" <ray@kimber.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:15:19 -0600   I would to get some feedback concerning the width of the "black" keys (the C-major accidentals). Here is my motivation. My fingers are wide, even when I am skinny. I have noticed that some keyboards are much easier to play than others. Some are unplayable. The difference is in the width, = at the top, of the black keys (this is not about the center-to-center = spacing).   The black keys are usually tapered on the sides, i.e., they are wider at their base than at the top. Keys we have measured vary from a top width = of 0.31" to 0.40". For me, the former is very playable, while the latter is nearly unplayable. The 0.31" wide keys gave an extra 0.09" (nearly 1/10 inch) between the black keys. That makes all the difference in the world.   A slender(er)-fingered organist friend spoke rather unfavorably about the narrowness of the 0.31" black keys. (They happen to be on a three-manual console.) He didn't like them.   I am wondering about the feelings of others who play keyboards concerning the relative narrowness of the black keys.   I am also wondering if there are some organists out there with slightly wider fingers who are also frustrated with some of the keyboards they try = to play.   Does anyone know of any "standards" that address these measurements.   Comments please?    
(back) Subject: Re: 9-11 Service From: "Bob and Jane Hanudel" <hanudel@schoollink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:17:24 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005E_01C23806.1E12C120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Your inquiry brought to mind a newspaper article I've seen recently =3D telling of some sort of nation-wide (world-wide?) "movement" by =3D choirs, singing groups, from all different locations performing Mozart's = =3D "Requiem" on September 11, 2002. Sort of a massive, choral =3D "offering".......in memoriam.....and all sung , or performed if you =3D will, at the same time of day. Anyone else hear or read of this? Jane Hanudel           ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Innkawgneeto@cs.com=3D20 To: anglican-music@list.stsams.org ; MethodistMusicians@lists.gbod.org = =3D ; pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:08 PM Subject: 9-11 Service     Friends, my pastor told me today that we are hosting a service on =3D Sept. 11 (he has invited a couple other Methodist churches in town).   He wants it to be commemmorative, patriotic, and Christian (which is =3D certainly appropriate). Any ideas on suitable choral repertoire? It =3D would need to be relatively accessible, since we will not have a lot of = =3D time to rehearse.   I had thought about "O How Amiable" (RVW) and then lead into the hymn = =3D "O God Our Help" (lowering the key, rather than doing it out of the =3D octavo). But I'm not convinced that's the way to go.   Any ideas would be appreciated. Peace to you all.   Neil by the very very hot Bay=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005E_01C23806.1E12C120 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Your inquiry brought to mind a =3D newspaper article=3D20 I've seen recently telling of some sort of nation-wide =3D (world-wide?)&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 "movement"&nbsp; by choirs, singing groups, from all different locations = =3D   performing Mozart's "Requiem"&nbsp; on September 11, 2002.&nbsp;&nbsp; =3D Sort of a=3D20 massive, choral "offering".......in memoriam.....and all sung , or =3D performed if=3D20 you will, at the same time of day.&nbsp; Anyone else hear or read of=3D20 this?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= =3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&= =3D nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Jane Hanudel</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DInnkawgneeto@cs.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Innkawgneeto@cs.com">Innkawgneeto@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=3D20 title=3D3Danglican-music@list.stsams.org=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:anglican-music@list.stsams.org">anglican-music@list.stsams= =3D ..org</A>=3D20 ; <A title=3D3DMethodistMusicians@lists.gbod.org=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:MethodistMusicians@lists.gbod.org">MethodistMusicians@list= =3D s.gbod.org</A>=3D20 ; <A title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 30, 2002 = =3D 8:08=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> 9-11 Service</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Friends,&nbsp; my pastor told me today that we = =3D are hosting=3D20 a service on Sept. 11 (he has invited a couple other Methodist =3D churches in=3D20 town).<BR><BR>He wants it to be commemmorative, patriotic, and =3D Christian=3D20 (which is certainly appropriate).&nbsp; Any ideas on suitable = choral=3D20 repertoire?&nbsp; It would need to be relatively accessible, since we = =3D will not=3D20 have a lot of time to rehearse.<BR><BR>I had thought about "O How =3D Amiable"=3D20 (RVW) and then lead into the hymn "O God Our Help" (lowering the key, = =3D rather=3D20 than doing it out of the octavo).&nbsp; But I'm not convinced that's =3D the way=3D20 to go.<BR><BR>Any ideas would be appreciated.&nbsp; Peace to you=3D20 all.<BR><BR>Neil by the very very hot Bay</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005E_01C23806.1E12C120--    
(back) Subject: Re: 9-11 Service From: "Scott Davis" <stalan@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:27:24 -0500   | Any ideas on suitable choral repertoire? It would need | to be relatively accessible, since we will not have a lot | of time to rehearse.   Once to Every Man and Nation David Stanley York   Scott Davis Austin, Tx.    
(back) Subject: Re: From Oldtime Radio-L From: <ORGANUT@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:23:20 EDT     --part1_12a.14f440a0.2a789608_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/30/2002 6:35:21 PM Central Daylight Time, orge@dreamscape.com writes:     > Hi all, > > Can anyone help Clif Martin on the subject of the WLW Moon River Pipe > Organ? > > I'm intrigued. Maybe the instrument only played the song "Moon River". = :-) > > Cheers, > > Bonnie Beth >   Hi Bonnie. The name of the late night sign off program on WLW was "Moon River" The =   Hauntingly beautiful theme song for the progam was titled "Caprice = Vinneois" (not sure of spelling)   Later, Phil L.   --part1_12a.14f440a0.2a789608_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/30/2002 6:35:21 PM Central Daylight Time, orge@dreamscape.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hi all, <BR> <BR>Can anyone help Clif Martin on the subject of the WLW Moon River Pipe = Organ? &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I'm intrigued. &nbsp;Maybe the instrument only played the song "Moon = River". &nbsp;:-) <BR> <BR>Cheers, <BR> <BR>Bonnie Beth <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Hi Bonnie. <BR> &nbsp;The name of the late night sign off program on WLW was "Moon = River" &nbsp;The Hauntingly beautiful theme song for the progam was titled = "Caprice Vinneois" &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(not sure of spelling) <BR> <BR>Later, <BR>Phil L.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_12a.14f440a0.2a789608_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: From Oldtime Radio-L From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:51:39 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_003E_01C23813.486D4550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Probably more like Caprice Viennoise - I'm guessing too - and I think =3D that is a Fritz Kreisler piece for Violin and Piano   Cheers,   Malcolm ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: ORGANUT@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: Re: From Oldtime Radio-L     In a message dated 7/30/2002 6:35:21 PM Central Daylight Time, =3D orge@dreamscape.com writes:=3D20       Hi all,=3D20   Can anyone help Clif Martin on the subject of the WLW Moon River =3D Pipe Organ? =3D20   I'm intrigued. Maybe the instrument only played the song "Moon =3D River". :-)=3D20   Cheers,=3D20   Bonnie Beth=3D20       Hi Bonnie.=3D20 The name of the late night sign off program on WLW was "Moon River" = =3D The Hauntingly beautiful theme song for the progam was titled "Caprice =3D Vinneois" (not sure of spelling)=3D20   Later,=3D20 Phil L.=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_003E_01C23813.486D4550 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Probably more like Caprice Viennoise = - =3D I'm guessing=3D20 too - and I think that is a Fritz Kreisler piece for Violin and=3D20 Piano</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Malcolm</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DORGANUT@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:ORGANUT@aol.com">ORGANUT@aol.com</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 30, 2002 = =3D 9:23=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: From Oldtime =3D Radio-L</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>In a =3D message dated=3D20 7/30/2002 6:35:21 PM Central Daylight Time, <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:orge@dreamscape.com">orge@dreamscape.com</A> writes: = =3D <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">Hi all, <BR><BR>Can anyone help Clif Martin on the =3D subject of=3D20 the WLW Moon River Pipe Organ? &nbsp; <BR><BR>I'm intrigued. =3D &nbsp;Maybe the=3D20 instrument only played the song "Moon River". &nbsp;:-) =3D <BR><BR>Cheers,=3D20 <BR><BR>Bonnie Beth <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Hi Bonnie. =3D <BR>&nbsp;The name of=3D20 the late night sign off program on WLW was "Moon River" &nbsp;The =3D Hauntingly=3D20 beautiful theme song for the progam was titled "Caprice Vinneois"=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(not sure of spelling) <BR><BR>Later, <BR>Phil =3D L.</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_003E_01C23813.486D4550--      
(back) Subject: RE: 9-11 Service From: "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:09:29 -0700   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_004A_01C237FC.A1A979C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I would respectfully suggest that Christian is not necessarily = appropriate. There were many cultures and religions which were impacted and suffered = loss in the tragedy. Perhaps a global and ecumenical tone would be more appropriate under the circumstances.... --sam (Chandler, AZ) -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Innkawgneeto@cs.com Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 5:09 PM To: anglican-music@list.stsams.org; MethodistMusicians@lists.gbod.org; pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: 9-11 Service     Friends, my pastor told me today that we are hosting a service on Sept. 11 (he has invited a couple other Methodist churches in town).   He wants it to be commemmorative, patriotic, and Christian (which is certainly appropriate). Any ideas on suitable choral repertoire? It = would need to be relatively accessible, since we will not have a lot of time to rehearse.   I had thought about "O How Amiable" (RVW) and then lead into the hymn "O God Our Help" (lowering the key, rather than doing it out of the octavo). But I'm not convinced that's the way to go.   Any ideas would be appreciated. Peace to you all.   Neil by the very very hot Bay   ------=3D_NextPart_000_004A_01C237FC.A1A979C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii">     <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D865470702-31072002><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>I=3D20 would respectfully suggest that Christian is not necessarily =3D appropriate. There=3D20 were many cultures and religions which were impacted and suffered loss =3D in the=3D20 tragedy. Perhaps a global and ecumenical tone would be more appropriate = =3D under=3D20 the circumstances....</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D865470702-31072002><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>--sam</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D865470702-31072002><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>(Chandler, AZ)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr align=3D3Dleft><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of=3D20 </B>Innkawgneeto@cs.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 30, 2002 5:09=3D20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> anglican-music@list.stsams.org;=3D20 MethodistMusicians@lists.gbod.org; =3D pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>=3D20 9-11 Service<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT = =3D lang=3D3D0=3D20 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Friends,&nbsp; my = pastor =3D told me today=3D20 that we are hosting a service on Sept. 11 (he has invited a couple =3D other=3D20 Methodist churches in town).<BR><BR>He wants it to be = commemmorative,=3D20 patriotic, and Christian (which is certainly appropriate).&nbsp; Any =3D ideas on=3D20 suitable choral repertoire?&nbsp; It would need to be relatively =3D accessible,=3D20 since we will not have a lot of time to rehearse.<BR><BR>I had thought = =3D about=3D20 "O How Amiable" (RVW) and then lead into the hymn "O God Our Help" =3D (lowering=3D20 the key, rather than doing it out of the octavo).&nbsp; But I'm not =3D convinced=3D20 that's the way to go.<BR><BR>Any ideas would be appreciated.&nbsp; =3D Peace to=3D20 you all.<BR><BR>Neil by the very very hot Bay</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_004A_01C237FC.A1A979C0--    
(back) Subject: Re: width of the black keys on organs From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:09:12 -0500   we have developed a method for "cutting" wide sharps into narrower. I'm trying to remember, but I believe the top is between 7-8mm...you'd think I'd remember, since I'm the one doing the cutting too.   A long time ago, we decided to provide narrow sharps for our instruments. It's usually expensive to purchase sharps (especially wood) and remove old and glue on the new (lots of time involved). I remembered something I used to do to "refinish" piano sharps, and decided to apply it in a "industrial" manner. It worked, and we have many of our organists tell us how much they like the "ebony" sharps we provide...even on used keyboards. When I explain that they are the old sharps recut and finished, they are completely taken aback <G>.   I'll double check measurements on a set tomorrow, and get back with the list, and show our profiles.     sincerely,   jon bertschinger temple organs saint joseph, mo (north kansas city area)   (i'm too tired to look for the "caps" cap!)  
(back) Subject: Re: 9-11 Service From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:12:51 EDT     --part1_b8.2b35103e.2a78a1a3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     > I would respectfully suggest that Christian is not necessarily = appropriate > commemmorative, patriotic, and Christian (which is certainly appropriate). =     What I meant to say is that all 3 considerations ARE appropriate in that = this is not a Sunday service.   Yes there were other religions impacted, but I work in a Christian church = and therefore have no problem with such a consideration.   Neil   --part1_b8.2b35103e.2a78a1a3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE = TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I would respectfully suggest that = Christian is not necessarily appropriate</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> commemmorative, patriotic, and Christian (which is certainly appropriate). = <BR> <BR> What I meant to say is that all 3 considerations ARE appropriate in that = this is not a Sunday service.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Yes there were other religions impacted, but I work in a Christian church = and therefore have no problem with such a consideration.<BR> <BR> Neil</FONT></HTML>   --part1_b8.2b35103e.2a78a1a3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Looking for an Interim Organist/Choir Director From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:29:41 -0500   Dudel and others, I left my cushy organist job at St. A's, so had to give up the plane and pilot because my salary there paid for all those bennies plus the dental plan. The lawyer's job just pays the house, the Harley, the piano and the bills. On the side I run a business called "Glenda's Gourmet from a Can" which serves up my selection of entrees each day - take it or leave it. Plus I raise cats for food and fur - they eat my food and leave their fur all over the place. Yes, I would be amenable to being flown to just about anywhere to play for money, and would even compose suitable freight train music for the occasion.   Tonight we moved out my old dining table from the kitchen area, and it was amazing the reverberence created from just the removal of a table and tablecloth. A new dining table and chairs will be delivered tomorrow as a combination anniversary and birthday gift. If it wouldn't block the window where we observe the caterpillars, butterflies and frogs, and get gummed up from the cooking, I'd just put an organ in there. David Scribner used to have part of his pipe organ in the kitchen.   Sorry for the digression - I promise to quit. I was bumped off PIPORG-L again, after paying $600 plus an extra $40 per month to fix the problem on my end with satellite internet. I give up - kiss my old friends there bye for me.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: width of the black keys on organs From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:23:24 -0500   Perhaps I can help a little with this question: If you will look = carefully, I believe you will notice that the problem with many keyboards is the narrow spacing between F#, G# and A#, while C# and D# have ample and even extra = space. Reducing the width of the sharps will help somewhat with the narrow = spacing, but perhaps make playing the sharps more difficult. The problem has been = solved in modern times by Josef Glatter-Gotz, the Austrian organbuilder that many of = us knew as GG. He devised a system, sometimes called the "Glatterschen = Comma" which provides equal spacing between the sharps. I remember vividly a = visit of GG to our home where we had one of his compact portable organs, and how he excitedly had us place our fingers between the sharps and compare the = space with other keyboards we had in the house. GG himself had rather wide fingers, = and perhaps that led him to develop the system. If you want to read more = about the details of this system, which is used on many modern organs, consult ISO Information. Roy Redman   Ray Kimber wrote:   > I would to get some feedback concerning the width of the "black" keys = (the > C-major accidentals). Here is my motivation. My fingers are wide, even > when I am skinny. I have noticed that some keyboards are much easier to > play than others. Some are unplayable. The difference is in the width, = at > the top, of the black keys (this is not about the center-to-center = spacing). > > The black keys are usually tapered on the sides, i.e., they are wider at > their base than at the top. Keys we have measured vary from a top width = of > 0.31" to 0.40". For me, the former is very playable, while the latter = is > nearly unplayable. The 0.31" wide keys gave an extra 0.09" (nearly 1/10 > inch) between the black keys. That makes all the difference in the = world. > > A slender(er)-fingered organist friend spoke rather unfavorably about = the > narrowness of the 0.31" black keys. (They happen to be on a = three-manual > console.) He didn't like them. > > I am wondering about the feelings of others who play keyboards = concerning > the relative narrowness of the black keys. > > I am also wondering if there are some organists out there with slightly > wider fingers who are also frustrated with some of the keyboards they = try to > play. > > Does anyone know of any "standards" that address these measurements. > > Comments please? > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: [Fwd: Re: width of the black keys on organs] From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:02:41 -0500       -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: width of the black keys on organs Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:23:24 -0500 From: Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> References: <009b01c23827$60404560$1301a8c0@ray>   Perhaps I can help a little with this question: If you will look carefully, I believe you will notice that the problem with many keyboards is the narrow spacing between F#, G# and A#, while C# and D# have ample and even extra space. Reducing the width of the sharps will help somewhat with the narrow spacing, but perhaps make playing the sharps more difficult. The problem has been solved in modern times by Josef Glatter-Gotz, the Austrian organbuilder that many of us knew as GG. He devised a system, sometimes called the "Glatterschen Comma" which provides equal spacing between the sharps. I remember vividly a visit of GG to our home where we had one of his compact portable organs, and how he excitedly had us place our fingers between the sharps and compare the space with other keyboards we had in the house. GG himself had rather wide fingers, and perhaps that led him to develop the system. If you want to read more about the details of this system, which is used on many modern organs, consult ISO Information. Roy Redman   Ray Kimber wrote:   > I would to get some feedback concerning the width of the "black" keys = (the > C-major accidentals). Here is my motivation. My fingers are wide, even > when I am skinny. I have noticed that some keyboards are much easier to > play than others. Some are unplayable. The difference is in the width, = at > the top, of the black keys (this is not about the center-to-center = spacing). > > The black keys are usually tapered on the sides, i.e., they are wider at > their base than at the top. Keys we have measured vary from a top width = of > 0.31" to 0.40". For me, the former is very playable, while the latter = is > nearly unplayable. The 0.31" wide keys gave an extra 0.09" (nearly 1/10 > inch) between the black keys. That makes all the difference in the = world. > > A slender(er)-fingered organist friend spoke rather unfavorably about = the > narrowness of the 0.31" black keys. (They happen to be on a = three-manual > console.) He didn't like them. > > I am wondering about the feelings of others who play keyboards = concerning > the relative narrowness of the black keys. > > I am also wondering if there are some organists out there with slightly > wider fingers who are also frustrated with some of the keyboards they = try to > play. > > Does anyone know of any "standards" that address these measurements. > > Comments please? > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for an Interim Organist/Choir Director From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:02:25 -0700   .. > > Sorry for the digression - I promise to quit. I was bumped off PIPORG-L > again, after paying $600 plus an extra $40 per month to fix the problem > on my end with satellite internet. I give up - kiss my old friends > there bye for me. >   Hi Glenda,   Well, remember I asked you about direcway a couple of months ago, and you said Rick handled that. But it seemed OK. So I did it. And lo and behold, yesterday I was kicked off PIPORG-L (which initially I thought was because = I had told Leonardo LaMirande Ciampa in a private message -- that he somehow resented -- that he was a total asshole).   Tech support at direcway says they need some bounced headers, which maybe Dave will provide. Otherwise I guess I'll just switch to an alternate = e-mail address -- but it's all most mysterious.   Glad you're still enjoying those Sundays off rather than having to deal = with serial abusers.