PipeChat Digest #2885 - Thursday, June 6, 2002
 
RE: The burning of a CD of your favorite organ music
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Paging Mr. Van Pelt, please . . .
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Circus act in church
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
cats, ladders, circus acts.
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: Circus act in church
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Burning Organists
  by "Bruce  Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
RE: The burning of a CD of your favorite organ music
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Circus act in church
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
2ft Principles
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Sledmere House
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Re: Burning Organists
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: 2ft Principles
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: RE: The burning of a CD of your favorite organ music From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:42:25 -0500   I have thought many times that Felix (Hell, that is) should make another recording. I may be mistaken, but I don't remember Vierne's Final from the No. 1 on any of his existing CDs - his performance of it would be my number one choice on my CD. And I still haven't heard his launchings of the Mendelssohn Sonata No. 3 and the Bach Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor. Oh, how behind the times I am!   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com            
(back) Subject: Paging Mr. Van Pelt, please . . . From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:47:48 -0500   Would Mr. William Van Pelt please contact me privately. I'm sorry for the public posting - please play on through.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Circus act in church From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:02:07 +0100   Hello,   I had a small problem with the organ I play which necessitated = clambering up a ladder to investigate the bowels of the = instrument......a successful undertaking, I am happy to report.   However, I was lucky, because the instrument is built in "werkprinzip" = style with the Hauptwerk well up with the "Gods". Being a free standing = instrument, the only way to access the Hauptwerk is via removable wooden = panels (rather heavy) at the back of the organ. The only place to rest a = ladder is to the side of the panels, which means that the removal of = these panels is a very tricky operation.   It struck me that, although the ladder was well secured, this is quite a = dangerous organ to work upon. A small block glued to the panel (which = holds the thing in) let go and the panel developed a will to hurl itself = to certain destruction on the stone floor 15ft below.   Being an ex-climber, I was fairly self-confident when I grabbed the = falling panel, jumped off the ladder and landed with it in my arms like = a cat....on both feet.(I KNOW cats have four feet)=20   It struck me that some organ-builders have not the slightest = consideration for those who have to maintain the instruments they = make.....a bit self-destructive if you ask me. Everything on this = instrument has to be done on a ladder....there are no walkways, no foot = holds, no ropes, no handles......nothing! The only really safe way would = be a lifting platform or scaffolding.   Have they never heard of "Health & Safety"?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     PS: My feet hurt!              
(back) Subject: cats, ladders, circus acts. From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 09:22:41 -0500   Colin:   Good thing that you didn't break anything! We are always scratching our heads in the shop, to design "assists" for service work. Hand holds are one of the most important, followed by walk boards in efficient work spaces. Many a time I've been "visiting the gods" to tune some high C twittering away for no good reason. We are fortunate most of the time, as we are not dealing with mechanical linkages to our wind chests. This helps us, and we can save space for more "organ" too.   As far as not having any consideration for other maintenance people, YES WE do. It's just possible that some people don't have any business inside an organ chamber, even the ones in business.   Several years back, we had a law suit brought against us. A separate service person fell through the bottom of a case work. It was his own fault, and the court proved that. We had a telephone interview (didn't even have to leave the shop to appear in court), and upon hearing us and the testimony of one of his own employees, the court determined that the guy was just careless. About two years after that, we were addition a digital control system to another organ in that same area. These same service people came over to see our work, and learn about the new system....since they "took care of the organ". While they were there, the organist came in and aske me to stay another several days to tune. He comment right in front of the "other guyz" was; "I wish you would stay to tune. I don't think the current service company knows how to tune. The organ never stays in tune, and a day after servicing the reeds will go out of tune." The other guyz quietly left the room, and I stayed another day to tune.   Now about cats having 4 feet. I just checked with one of my "girls". Miikka says, "NO, I have TWO FEET and two paws. The difference between you and me is that I'm not all thumbs. My piano playing will prove that!"   Best to all.   Jon Bertschinger Tonal Director Temple Organs Saint Joseph, MO (North Kansas City area)   Glenda! I'm headed out in a few hours....have the charcoal ready, and a couple of your nicest wine glasses out!  
(back) Subject: Re: Circus act in church From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:53:18 -0400   You're in the wrong country. Your message below could be worth a cool million in America. How badly did you say they hurt? How's your back? Psychological trauma are good for something, as well. I am traumatized = just by hearing about it, but I am known to be unusually sensitive!   Good luck.   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:02 AM Subject: Circus act in church     PS: My feet hurt!      
(back) Subject: Re: Burning Organists From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:37:27 +0100       > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of > cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk > > 6. Bach before the mast. George Malcolm. Has anyone ever > recorded this.....if not, why not?) >   Yes - it's on 'Organ Favourites from Sledmere House' - Simon Lindley = playing a much-modified 1928 Binns. Amphion PHI CD 505.   Bruce Miles.   mail to:- bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk website:- http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk    
(back) Subject: RE: The burning of a CD of your favorite organ music From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:57:07 EDT   Glenda writes (regarding Felix Hell)   >I may be mistaken, but I don't remember Vierne's Final from >the No. 1 on any of his existing CDs - his performance of it would be my >number one choice on my CD. And I still haven't heard his launchings of >the Mendelssohn Sonata No. 3 and the Bach Passacaglia and Fugue in C >minor. <<   Felix played these at Oklahoma City, Glenda, and he really should record these compositions. His performance of Vierne's Finale was in encore and = was totally spectacular. The Passacaglia was part of his program on the 105 = rank Reuter. Well done would be a gross understatement.   Best wishes, Jim Pitts  
(back) Subject: Re: Circus act in church From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:40:07 EDT     --part1_49.1e6c50ba.2a2f8ad7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 6/5/02 11:01:39 AM Atlantic Daylight Time, cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk writes: > It struck me that some organ-builders have not the slightest = consideration > for those who have to maintain the instruments they make.....a bit > self-destructive if you ask me. Everything on this instrument has to be > done on a ladder....there are no walkways, no foot holds, no ropes, no > handles......nothing! The only really safe way would be a lifting = platform > or scaffolding. > > Have they never heard of "Health &Safety"?   I've had this experience, as well..... many times! One particular = modern instrument is one that most access is via ladder. My favorite entrance = is into the pedal case which is accessed through removable panels; alas, the =   panel is not centered with the walk board with cuts accessibility room in HALF!! Another interesting spot in the pedal case is the access to the trackers for regulation. I had to crawl into a trench in the floor, = beneath a windline (approximately 14 x 14) and unable to sit up or turn around = once in. It is one of the worst instruments I've ever been in. This is a = modern mechanical action organ!   Another is a mechanical action instrument built in "almost" baroque style. = The problem is the width of the walk board access behind the organ.... unbelievably narrow. In addition, the stop action is pinned between the =   manual chest and the pedal case and is only "blind" accessible... i.e., hanging by one arm while extending the other to the problem.   All you need to do is visit the Mander at St. Ignatius Loyola in NYC to = see a well designed and extremely easily accessible organ. It's amazing and beautiful, maybe not enough room inside for furniture like in some Austins = or AEolian-Skinners I've been in, but nevertheless very accessible.   Bruce in the Muttestery   with the Baskerbeagles at <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = http://members.tripod.com/brucon502 .... need extra money??? visit http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053 enjoy shopping?? visit www.freestoreclub.com/go/BDawg   --part1_49.1e6c50ba.2a2f8ad7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 6/5/02 11:01:39 AM Atlantic = Daylight Time, cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk writes: <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It struck me that = some organ-builders have not the slightest consideration for those who = have to maintain the instruments they make.....a bit self-destructive if = you ask me. Everything on this instrument has to be done on a = ladder....there are no walkways, no foot holds, no ropes, no = handles......nothing! The only really safe way would be a lifting platform = or scaffolding.<BR> <BR> Have they never heard of "Health &amp;Safety"?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> I've had this experience, as well..... many times!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = One particular modern instrument is one that most access is via = ladder.&nbsp;&nbsp; My favorite entrance is into the pedal case which is = accessed through removable panels;&nbsp; alas, the panel is not centered = with the walk board with cuts accessibility room in = HALF!!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Another interesting spot in the pedal case is the = access to the trackers for regulation.&nbsp; I had to crawl into a trench = in the floor, beneath a windline (approximately 14 x 14) and unable to sit = up or turn around once in.&nbsp;&nbsp; It is one of the worst instruments = I've ever been in.&nbsp; This is a modern mechanical action organ!<BR> <BR> Another is a mechanical action instrument built in "almost" baroque = style.&nbsp; The problem is the width of the walk board access behind the = organ.... unbelievably narrow.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In addition, the stop action is pinned between the manual chest and the pedal case and is only = "blind" accessible... i.e., hanging by one arm while extending the other = to the problem.<BR> <BR> All you need to do is visit the Mander at St. Ignatius Loyola in NYC to = see a well designed and extremely easily accessible = organ.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It's amazing and beautiful, maybe not enough room = inside for furniture like in some Austins or AEolian-Skinners I've been = in, but nevertheless very accessible. <BR> <BR> Bruce in the Muttestery <BR> <BR> with the Baskerbeagles at&nbsp; <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/brucon502">HowlingAcres</A>&nbsp;&nbsp; = http://members.tripod.com/brucon502<BR> ....&nbsp; need extra money???&nbsp;&nbsp; visit&nbsp;&nbsp; = http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053<BR> enjoy shopping??&nbsp;&nbsp; visit&nbsp; www.freestoreclub.com/go/BDawg = <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_49.1e6c50ba.2a2f8ad7_boundary--  
(back) Subject: 2ft Principles From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:18:15 +0100   Hello,   As I rest my bruised feet, I am reminded of the "organ lounge" inside = the organ at St Laurent's, Rotterdam, as well as the drinks cabinet! = (I'll have a gin with ice)   The Netherlands always did take "worker's rights" seriously.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     -----Original Message-----   Bruce wrote:-   All you need to do is visit the Mander at St. Ignatius Loyola in NYC to see a well designed and extremely easily accessible organ. It's amazing and beautiful, maybe not enough room inside for furniture like in some Austins or AEolian-Skinners I've been in, but nevertheless very accessible.=20   Bruce in the Muttestery=20    
(back) Subject: Sledmere House From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:26:41 +0100   Me again,=20   I responded privately to someone who asked about "Bach before the mast" = and mentioned Simon Lindley having played it at Leeds Town Hall.   I had a hand in the re-build at Sledmere House when I was asked by "His = Grace" to look at the Walker proposals for a new organ and offer my = comments.=20   I suggested re-building the old Binns with tonal modifications, which is = exactly what they did.....it's so long ago I had forgotten all about it.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   PS: It's only a wee bit modified   -----Original Message----- From: "pipechat@pipechat.org" <pipechat@pipechat.org> on behalf of = "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Sent: 05 June 2002 14:37 To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: Burning Organists       > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf = Of > cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk > > 6. Bach before the mast. George Malcolm. Has anyone ever > recorded this.....if not, why not?) >   Yes - it's on 'Organ Favourites from Sledmere House' - Simon Lindley = playing a much-modified 1928 Binns. Amphion PHI CD 505.   Bruce Miles.   mail to:- bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk website:- http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Burning Organists From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:52:03 +1200   Yes, indeed, George Malcolm recorded "Bach before the Mast" on the harpsichord many years ago and I still have the 45rpm EP disc. Do you need = a copy? Also on the wee record are Alec Templeton's "P&F" and the "Flight of the Bumble Bee". Wonderful playing. Our NZ's Maxwell Fernie who died recently in his late 80s, was my organ teacher after he came back from Westminster Cathedral, having been = Organist while George Malcolm was Choirmaster there. Regards, Ross -----Original Message----- From: cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: Burning Organists     Hello,   I think that 70 mins just about constitutes a recital programme plus an encore.....so let me select a suitable programme for a satisfying disc = which I could drag around with me in the auto.   Of course, burning your own CD opens up all sorts of = possibilities......old LP's could be included; so here goes.   1. Introduction & Passacaglia Reger/Hurford at Regensberger Dom (A startling opening item to grab my attention)   2. Trio Sonata in C minor - Bach/M.Claire-Alain (Something to bounce along with)   3. Scherzo (Giga) - Bossi/Fox/Riverside (Those nimble fingers just rattle along)   4. Fugue no.2 on BACH Schumann/Finotti/Zurich Metzler (Just utterly mind-blowing)   5. Chorale "O mensch bewein" Bach/DAT tape of myself (I know how to weep to this one!)   6. Bach before the mast. George Malcolm. Has anyone ever recorded this.....if not, why not?)   7. A Trumpet Menuet - Hollins/Liddle/Hull City Hall (Played on the organ it was written for)   8. Prelude & Fugue in E minor (Wedge) Ton Koopman anywhere   9. Preludium Kodaly/Piet Kee/Haarlem (So little know, but what a superb short piece and the best organ in the world)   10. Toccata Suite Opus 5 - Durufle/Jane Parker-Smith/Blackburn = Cathedral (The best NEW organ in the UK)   Encore   11. Perpetuem Mobile Middelschulte/Fox/Riverside (Just when you thought you had a pedal technique!)   If there was just a tad of disc left, I would ask my friend Philip Tordoff (Halifax Parish Church) to play his own Trumpet Tune into my DAT recorder.....one of the finest Trumpet Tunes ever written, but not published.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK -----Original Message----- Glenda wrote:-     I have been sorting and arranging my CDs etc........   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: 2ft Principles From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:39:00 +1200         In NZ here, Knox Church in Dunedin used to have a large ashtray and a = couple of cushions underneath the organ. The organ's rebuilder, Matla (long dead now) had done such a bad job and spent so much time underneath trying to make his pathetic action work that he obviously decided to leave the place permanently comfortable.   Ross       As I rest my bruised feet, I am reminded of the "organ lounge" inside the organ at St Laurent's, Rotterdam, as well as the drinks cabinet! (I'll = have a gin with ice)   The Netherlands always did take "worker's rights" seriously.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     -----Original Message-----   Bruce wrote:-   All you need to do is visit the Mander at St. Ignatius Loyola in NYC to see a well designed and extremely easily accessible organ. It's amazing and beautiful, maybe not enough room inside for furniture like in some Austins or AEolian-Skinners I've been in, but nevertheless very accessible.   Bruce in the Muttestery     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org