PipeChat Digest #2886 - Friday, June 7, 2002
 
Oslo Norway
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Oslo Norway
  by "Paul Austin" <peri@ntlworld.com>
The burning of a CD of your favorite organ music
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: The burning of a CD of your favorite organ music
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@VASSAR.EDU>
Re: werk-prinzp
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Moller Drawknobs
  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@msn.com>
RE: Moller Drawknobs
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
RE: Moller Drawknobs-More!
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Clear Vault of Heaven - a small mystery solved (X-Posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: werk-prinzp
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Re: Oslo Norway
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Oslo Norway
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Moller Drawknobs
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Oslo Norway
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Oslo Norway
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Stavanger, Norway
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
a brief introduction
  by "Richard Jordan" <mail@gesangbuch.org>
Re: Clear Vault of Heaven - a small mystery solved (X-Posted)
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: a brief introduction
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Sledmere House
  by "Bruce  Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Oslo Norway From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:11:29 -0400   Can someone tell me what the age and make of the pipe organ is in the Cathedral in Oslo Norway. I think it is a Lutheran Cathedral. My son = sent me two photos of a stunning instrument, the large case is in the rear balcony with the console and a smaller freestanding choir organ is at the right front of the choir on the floor. The trim is green with gold carved pipeshades, and silver pipes. My son said the acoustics are fabulous. Since he is on a business trip and speaks/reads no Norwegian, he was = unable to give me further info.   Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re: Oslo Norway From: "Paul Austin" <peri@ntlworld.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:42:01 +0100   Hullo!   It would appear that the Oslo Cathedral organ was built by a firm called 'Ryde & Berg Organbuilders '. This is a company I have never come across before. Any information?   Paul.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> To: "pipechat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 3:11 PM Subject: Oslo Norway     > Can someone tell me what the age and make of the pipe organ is in the > Cathedral in Oslo Norway. I think it is a Lutheran Cathedral. My son sent > me two photos of a stunning instrument, the large case is in the rear > balcony with the console and a smaller freestanding choir organ is at = the > right front of the choir on the floor. The trim is green with gold = carved > pipeshades, and silver pipes. My son said the acoustics are fabulous. > Since he is on a business trip and speaks/reads no Norwegian, he was unable > to give me further info. > > Judy Ollikkala > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: The burning of a CD of your favorite organ music From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:10:58 EDT   Greetings,   I have done such a thing. Since I am a theatre organ and a Beatles fan, I culled everyone of my TO = CDs (and a classical one also) and found enough Beatles stuff to fill one CD.   I am listening to it as I type this note today. It goes with me = everywhere. Stan Krider Red Dirks@aol.com  
(back) Subject: Re: The burning of a CD of your favorite organ music From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@VASSAR.EDU> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 11:47:57 -0700   >Greetings, > >I have done such a thing. >Since I am a theatre organ and a Beatles fan, I culled everyone of my TO = CDs >(and a classical one also) and found enough Beatles stuff to fill one CD. > >I am listening to it as I type this note today. It goes with me = everywhere. >Stan Krider >Red Dirks@aol.com > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   Stan, can you list them?   I'm sure there are some tunes some of us did not realize was Beatles.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: werk-prinzp From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:02:26 EDT   Take a very good look the historic instruments from the era and region = in question. Do they REALLY follow the 16' Pedal, 8' Great, 4' Positiv, 2' = Brustwerk formula? No. You will find many instruments with an 8' Prinzipal (as well as a couple additional 8' flue stops) on each manual...   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Moller Drawknobs From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@msn.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:23:03 -0500   Hi all-- Just popping out of my lurking loft to as a question. I have some Moller (sorry no diacritics available) drawknobs. I need to take the faces, heads (the part you actually see) off the solenoids. Does anyone have a practical suggestion on how to get the glue to release. = These are not the screw types. Advice will be much appreciated. Thanks, Bill          
(back) Subject: RE: Moller Drawknobs From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:54:54 -0400   I had a couple Moller drawknob tops that fell off. They were glued on, so we reglued them. If you're in an area that's getting all this rain, or where it's so extremely dry, maybe they'll just pop off about now if you wiggle them a little. I know they're not supposed to come off, and the couple that were redone have stayed on just fine for 3 or 4 yrs. or more now.   Maybe you could get a couple of kids to work on them for you? Kids can take anything apart------(you DO understand that's a joke!---sort of)   I almost think I remember a small thin piece of felt on the back of the knob, between that and the shaft. And I *think* they were slightly dished on the back, because I put them back on every week for a while until they were glued, and they stuck there temporarily.   Diane S.      
(back) Subject: RE: Moller Drawknobs-More! From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:30:18 -0400   Talked to my husband who came home for lunch. He did the fix job. Says yes, there's an indentation on the backs, but no felt. He put the 2 back on with yellow carpenter's wood glue, and clamped them for a day or so to set the joint. Made a special fixture to clamp them. The backs of the tops are wood.   He says a good glue joint may well be stronger than the wood itself, and you probably can't get them off without breaking them. Might possibly get them off with heat and moisture, probably is animal glue.   He also asked why you want them off, just out of curiousity.   Diane S.          
(back) Subject: Clear Vault of Heaven - a small mystery solved (X-Posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 13:18:40 -0700   Many thanks to Carl P. Daws Jr., Executive Director of the Hymn Society of America, who contributed the following:   This text is a translation by Matthew Russell, S.J. of the anonymous "Himmelsau, licht und blau" that first appeared in the TRIER GESANGBUCH, 1846. This 1846 text is itself a revision of "Himmelblau dich beshau," which appears in HEIL- UND H=DCLFS-MITTEL , Brix (Dresden), 1767. The Russell text was published in the MESSENGER OF THE SACRED HEART, 1872.   The Russell text appears in the ST. FRANCIS HYMNAL AND CHOIR MANUAL (Garrison, NY: Graymoor, 1925), published by the Franciscan Sisters of the Atonement. Not having access to a copy, I cannot say what tune appears with it. This is very likely the source used by St. Clement's. Perhaps the current Sisters can provide you with a photocopy; you will find the Sisters' website at   http://graymoor.org/sisters/default.html   In the EVANGELISCHE GESANGBUCH (Kassel, 1994), the German text of "Himmels Au [sic], licht und blau" appears in seven stanzas. The textual attribution is Dresden, 1767. The music is different from what you quote, and it is attributed to Luxembourg 1847.   I hope this information is helpful.     Carl P. Daw, Jr. Executive Director  
(back) Subject: RE: werk-prinzp From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 21:33:18 +0100     Hello,   Sebastian is absolutely right, but the original was a sort of "potted" = introduction to what the "prinzip" stands for.   Most small modern "werkprinzip" designs do, in my experience, follow the = pattern however, but history is far more complex and far more regional.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     -----Original Message----- From: "pipechat@pipechat.org" <pipechat@pipechat.org> on behalf of = "TubaMagna@aol.com" <TubaMagna@aol.com> Sent: 06 June 2002 16:02 To: "pipechat@pipechat.org" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: werk-prinzp   Take a very good look the historic instruments from the era and = region in=20 question. Do they REALLY follow the 16' Pedal, 8' Great, 4' Positiv, 2' = Brustwerk=20 formula? =20 No. You will find many instruments with an 8' Prinzipal (as well as = a=20 couple additional 8' flue stops) on each manual...   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Oslo Norway From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 20:20:44 -0400   On 6/6/02 10:11 AM, "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> wrote:   > Can someone tell me what the age and make of the pipe organ is in the > Cathedral in Oslo Norway. I think it is a Lutheran Cathedral.   Well, "it" IS, if he was in the Lutheran cathedral--which he most likely was. I'd almost bet that there's a Roman cathedral there as well--but a much more modest structure (not that the Lutheran cathedral is exactly = huge; our big one in Norway is the seat of the primate: Nidarosdomen at Trondhjem). (Possibly also an Anglican cathedral, but I doubt it. Brit Anglicans tend to regard the Scandinavian provinces as "theirs" in spite = of language barrier--and they're not without justification in thinking so; Scandinavia was a mission field for them in the c. 10th C.) I'd guess = that the cathedral of which you speak has a Danish-made organ--the name = Frobenius comes to mind, plus another that (dang it!) does NOT come to mind. Or a Marcussen would be no surprise--perhaps most likely. In any case, NOT ancient; probably post WW1; maybe post WW2. The smaller organ down front = is standard in Scandinavian churches of any size. Tracker, of local construction usually.   But you've piqued my curiosity, and I'll see if I can find out. OK?   Alan (listening to the presidential address. Is he saying "nucyoular" and "reconnize"?)   > My son sent > me two photos of a stunning instrument, the large case is in the rear > balcony with the console and a smaller freestanding choir organ is at = the > right front of the choir on the floor. The trim is green with gold = carved > pipeshades, and silver pipes. My son said the acoustics are fabulous. > Since he is on a business trip and speaks/reads no Norwegian, he was = unable > to give me further info. > > Judy Ollikkala > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Oslo Norway From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 20:51:08 -0400   Oh, Judy!   Go to   http://www.ryde-berg.no/   Paul Austin was right, of course. And here it IS. I just came to it, so have not explored yet. Let's enjoy it together.   Alan       On 6/6/02 10:11 AM, "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> wrote:   > Can someone tell me what the age and make of the pipe organ is in the > Cathedral in Oslo Norway. I think it is a Lutheran Cathedral. My son = sent > me two photos of a stunning instrument, the large case is in the rear > balcony with the console and a smaller freestanding choir organ is at = the > right front of the choir on the floor. The trim is green with gold = carved > pipeshades, and silver pipes. My son said the acoustics are fabulous. > Since he is on a business trip and speaks/reads no Norwegian, he was = unable > to give me further info. > > Judy Ollikkala > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Moller Drawknobs From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:56:12 -0500   I think the glue may have been different at different periods, so it is difficult to be sure. If hide glue was used, probably warming it with a heat lamp would soften it sufficiently to release it, though you would = have to be careful not to get it too hot and melt the plastic. I recently had success with some from the 1960's just by pulling the stop knob off. In this case they didn't seem to be attached with any glue at all, and just came off with a sound like that of a cork coming out of a bottle.   John Speller ----- Original Message ----- From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@msn.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: Moller Drawknobs     > Hi all-- > Just popping out of my lurking loft to as a question. > I have some Moller (sorry no diacritics available) drawknobs. I need to > take the faces, heads (the part you actually see) off the solenoids. = Does > anyone have a practical suggestion on how to get the glue to release. These > are not the screw types.      
(back) Subject: Re: Oslo Norway From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:05:47 -0400   On 6/6/02 10:42 AM, "Paul Austin" <peri@ntlworld.com> wrote:   > Hullo! > > It would appear that the Oslo Cathedral organ was built by a firm called > 'Ryde & Berg Organbuilders '. This is a company I have never come = across > before. Any information? > > Paul. > Tons of it; and thank you, Paul, for finding the builder fastest!   Go to   http://www.ryde-berg.no/   Which is a new outfit to me, too. But the photos are just BLINDING!   (For what that's worth.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Oslo Norway From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:18:45 -0400   On 6/6/02 10:11 AM, "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> wrote:   > My son said the acoustics are fabulous. > Since he is on a business trip and speaks/reads no Norwegian, he was = unable > to give me further info. > > Judy Ollikkala > Judy, please send him an e-mail and tell him to buy the English-language version of the guidebook to the cathedral. Not the $40 version, but the under $4 version. I'll buy it from you for 50% over what he paid for it. = I hope you're having HOOT looking at the photos, specs, etc.   alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Stavanger, Norway From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 21:50:59 -0400   Dear Ones,   Herein hangs an interesting tale:   http://www.mander-organs.com/html/stavanger_cathedral.html   This is quite a small organ, but small though it be, it merits quite a = long article. I hope you will enjoy it. It is certainly on my list of "eventualies!"   Thanks,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Oslo Norway     > On 6/6/02 10:11 AM, "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> = wrote: > > > Can someone tell me what the age and make of the pipe organ is in the > > Cathedral in Oslo Norway. I think it is a Lutheran Cathedral. > > Well, "it" IS, if he was in the Lutheran cathedral--which he most likely > was. I'd almost bet that there's a Roman cathedral there as well--but a > much more modest structure (not that the Lutheran cathedral is exactly huge; > our big one in Norway is the seat of the primate: Nidarosdomen at > Trondhjem). (Possibly also an Anglican cathedral, but I doubt it. Brit > Anglicans tend to regard the Scandinavian provinces as "theirs" in spite of > language barrier--and they're not without justification in thinking so; > Scandinavia was a mission field for them in the c. 10th C.) I'd guess that > the cathedral of which you speak has a Danish-made organ--the name Frobenius > comes to mind, plus another that (dang it!) does NOT come to mind. Or a > Marcussen would be no surprise--perhaps most likely. In any case, NOT > ancient; probably post WW1; maybe post WW2. The smaller organ down = front is > standard in Scandinavian churches of any size. Tracker, of local > construction usually. > > But you've piqued my curiosity, and I'll see if I can find out. OK? > > Alan (listening to the presidential address. Is he saying "nucyoular" = and > "reconnize"?) > > > My son sent > > me two photos of a stunning instrument, the large case is in the rear > > balcony with the console and a smaller freestanding choir organ is at the > > right front of the choir on the floor. The trim is green with gold carved > > pipeshades, and silver pipes. My son said the acoustics are fabulous. > > Since he is on a business trip and speaks/reads no Norwegian, he was unable > > to give me further info. > > > > Judy Ollikkala > >      
(back) Subject: a brief introduction From: "Richard Jordan" <mail@gesangbuch.org> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:12:17 -0500   I thought perhaps I might introduce my self, and perhaps my music. I'm mostly involved in arranging liturgical music, and have a few = recordings or hymns, and several others including something called the Celtic Organ you can find some mp3 samples for the albums at   http://www.onjordansbanks.com/Recordings/recordings.html   and you can find some samples of the sheet music at   http://www.onjordansbanks.com/Sheet_Music/eMusic/emusic.html   would appreciate your comments [off list] its not easy music, and its not dissonant you might call it neo-baroque if such a thing can exist.       Regards, Richard Jordan   http://www.Lutheran_Hymnal.com http://www.OnJordansBanks.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Clear Vault of Heaven - a small mystery solved (X-Posted) From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 22:10:40 -0400   it is a good thing i read the rest of the message. at first glance it = looked like Himmel sau, then i saw that it was Himmels au!!! LOL   In a message dated Thu, 6 Jun 2002 4:16:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   > > This text is a translation by Matthew Russell, S.J. of the anonymous > "Himmelsau, licht und blau" that first appeared in the TRIER GESANGBUCH, > 1846. This 1846 text is itself a revision of "Himmelblau dich beshau," > which appears in HEIL- UND H=DCLFS-MITTEL , Brix (Dresden), 1767. The > Russell text was published in the MESSENGER OF THE SACRED > HEART, 1872.      
(back) Subject: Re: a brief introduction From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 17:31:04 +1200   Being a keen organist (I have a good pipe organ at home here) and also = keen on the Celts (I did my doctorate in Celtic Christianity) I'd love to know what your "Celtic Organ" stuff sounds like. Not being able on this = computer to play anything from the internet, is there some other way I could hear what you are doing? It sounds most interesting to me. Ross (P.S. I've also been a piper for the last 46 years) -----Original Message---- From: Richard Jordan <mail@gesangbuch.org> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, June 07, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: a brief introduction     >I thought perhaps I might introduce my self, and perhaps my music. >I'm mostly involved in arranging liturgical music, and have a few recordings >or hymns, and several others including something called the Celtic Organ >you can find some mp3 samples for the albums at > >http://www.onjordansbanks.com/Recordings/recordings.html > >and you can find some samples of the sheet music at > >http://www.onjordansbanks.com/Sheet_Music/eMusic/emusic.html > >would appreciate your comments [off list] >its not easy music, and its not dissonant >you might call it neo-baroque >if such a thing can exist. > > > >Regards, >Richard Jordan > >http://www.Lutheran_Hymnal.com >http://www.OnJordansBanks.com > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Sledmere House From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:15:27 +0100   Colin and friends,   I was until recently one of the team of organists who play this organ for three or four times a week for visitors to the house. I also wrote the = brief history of the organ which appears on the Amphion CD. There are some gaps = in the information - I wonder if you can fill them   When was it removed from Dunecht House and when was it installed at = Sledmere ? All I have is c1947-48 date 'interpolated' from Binns Fitton and Haley's job book.(they did the rebuild)   What did Walker's have to do with it.?   I'm told that one or two stops for the rebuild may have come from a cinema in Hull. That figures, because nearly all the BFH cinema organs went to = Hull when new and were destroyed or damaged by bombing during the war- and BFH would certainly have been involved in recovering what remained - there are none now.   Are there any photos extant of the organ in it's original home (the = private chapel at Dunecht House)?   What was the original action, and the action when first rebuilt. ?   Originally 31 stops, now 51, and with theatre style horse-shoe detached console and solid state transmission (very unoriginal), I suggest that's more than a wee bit modified.   Details are on the NPOR list.   BTW also on the Amphion CD is 'Bach goes to town'.   Kind regards   Bruce Miles     mail to:- bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk website:- http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk   ----- Original Message ----- From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: Sledmere House     Me again,   I responded privately to someone who asked about "Bach before the mast" = and mentioned Simon Lindley having played it at Leeds Town Hall.   I had a hand in the re-build at Sledmere House when I was asked by "His Grace" to look at the Walker proposals for a new organ and offer my comments.   I suggested re-building the old Binns with tonal modifications, which is exactly what they did.....it's so long ago I had forgotten all about it.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   PS: It's only a wee bit modified   -----Original Message----- From: "pipechat@pipechat.org" <pipechat@pipechat.org> on behalf of "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Sent: 05 June 2002 14:37 To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: Burning Organists       > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of > cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk > > 6. Bach before the mast. George Malcolm. Has anyone ever > recorded this.....if not, why not?) >   Yes - it's on 'Organ Favourites from Sledmere House' - Simon Lindley = playing a much-modified 1928 Binns. Amphion PHI CD 505.   Bruce Miles.