PipeChat Digest #2890 - Monday, June 10, 2002
 
Re: Makin Regal 338/Johannus Opus 30
  by "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk>
Re: Makin Regal 338/Johannus Opus 30
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Dupre "France in Calvary"  (was: I am stunned!)
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
RE: New Missouri Synod Hymnal
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: ACCHO Recordings
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@VASSAR.EDU>
Re: Makin Regal 338/Johannus Opus 30
  by "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk>
Re: Makin Regal 338/Johannus Opus 30
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: Shrinky-Dinks, was Moller Drawknobs
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal
  by <DrB88@aol.com>
Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Makin Regal 338/Johannus Opus 30 From: "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:09:57 +0100   At 21:09 09/06/02 +0930, you wrote:   >Also, is the system for the organ Musicom, or a Johannus own version of >Musicom? > >Ian.   Ian,   Johannus use their own system, which is 'sampling' - they do not use the 'real-time' of Musicom's system. If someone has told you that their = system is the same as Musicom's, you have been misled.   Kind regards,   Cheryl       http://www.copemanhart.co.uk   Copeman Hart & Company Ltd Church Organ Builders ENGLAND   Registered in England No 696548    
(back) Subject: Re: Makin Regal 338/Johannus Opus 30 From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:35:15 -0500   Not wanting to confuse the issue here, but Johannus uses "Real Time Sampling", meaning - the whole note gets sampled and that includes the = chiff and the decay. This is the only process that gives back the proper speech characteristics of the original pipe tone. With Johannus there are no harmonics chopped = off and no chiffs spliced on. What you hear is as close to the real thing as science allows.   Gary   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 5:09 AM Subject: Re: Makin Regal 338/Johannus Opus 30     > At 21:09 09/06/02 +0930, you wrote: > > >Also, is the system for the organ Musicom, or a Johannus own version of > >Musicom? > > > >Ian. > > Ian, > > Johannus use their own system, which is 'sampling' - they do not use the > 'real-time' of Musicom's system. If someone has told you that their system > is the same as Musicom's, you have been misled. > > Kind regards, > > Cheryl > > > > http://www.copemanhart.co.uk > > Copeman Hart & Company Ltd > Church Organ Builders > ENGLAND > > Registered in England No 696548 > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Dupre "France in Calvary" (was: I am stunned!) From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:21:02 +0100   Hello,   I have kindly received further information from Roy Hopkins concerning = the Dupre Choral Music I heard on BBC Radio 3.   Roy gave me the following information:-     BBC Radio 3 has a very useful website where you can see exactly what performances have been or are going to be played. You can find it at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/playlists/index.shtml   A quick look at the playlist for last week reveals the following = information on what you were listening to:   Marcel Dupre La France au Calvaire (extract) Vasari Singers=20 conducted by Jeremy Backhouse with Jeremy Filsell (organ)=20 Guild Music GMCD 7220=20   If you search for "La France au Calvaire" at http:\\www.crotchet.co.uk you'll find the CD containing that track.   Regards,   Roy Hopkins     For those who enjoy full blooded Dupre at his finest.....make a note!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK  
(back) Subject: RE: New Missouri Synod Hymnal From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:31:11 -0400   Just out of curiosity-- is the Wisconsin Synod involved in any way? When = I was growing up in Wisconsin, the WS and Missouri Synod both used The Lutheran Hymnal. Are they still using the same hymnal? If so, it would seem to be advisable purely from a commercial standpoint for the WS to be consulted in preparing the new hymnal, as WS folk don't strike me as the kind of people who would accept a book that they weren't involved in compiling.    
(back) Subject: Re: ACCHO Recordings From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@VASSAR.EDU> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:32:23 -0700     they show up n Ebay regularly   John V  
(back) Subject: Re: Makin Regal 338/Johannus Opus 30 From: "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:17:39 +0100   At 09:35 10/06/02 -0500, you wrote: >Not wanting to confuse the issue here, but Johannus uses "Real Time >Sampling", meaning - the whole note gets sampled and that includes the = chiff >and the decay. >This is the only process that gives back the proper speech = characteristics >of the original pipe tone. With Johannus there are no harmonics chopped = off >and no chiffs spliced on. What you hear is as close to the real thing as >science allows.   Hello, Gary:   Your comments serve to confirm my thoughts on the reasons for Ian's question. In instruments based on 'real time' computing, nothing is recorded and played back: instead, all of the voicing is created, by ear, =   in software, and is the equivalent of a pipe organ builder producing the pipes and voicing them.   Consider what you hear when you hear a 'sampled' stop - it is a recording of a pipe organ stop, and there is no doubt that this can sound extremely good. However, with a proper 'real time' system (such as Musicom's), only =   when you draw a stop and play a note is a wave form created (there is no sampled loop, however modified, to be repeated) and that wave form varies when you next play that note on that stop, depending upon what is being asked of it in the context of other notes played, etc - just as with pipes =   and wind. That is real time. A sampling instrument simply repeats the sample of the recorded note because it has a fixed wave form and it can do =   nothing else - or am I wrong? :-)   Best wishes,   Cheryl      
(back) Subject: Re: Makin Regal 338/Johannus Opus 30 From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:14:13 -0500   This is getting too complicated for me, no doubt there are differences between the various systems used by manufacturers. I have no knowledge of the actual Engineering that goes into whatever system is represented. All I know is that, having grown up with high quality pipeorgans and years of training on them, the Johannus organs of today come closer than any = other to give me back the sounds that I learned to love. And, best of all, they cost less than any other they compete with.   Gary   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Makin Regal 338/Johannus Opus 30     > At 09:35 10/06/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Not wanting to confuse the issue here, but Johannus uses "Real Time > >Sampling", meaning - the whole note gets sampled and that includes the chiff > >and the decay. > >This is the only process that gives back the proper speech characteristics > >of the original pipe tone. With Johannus there are no harmonics = chopped off > >and no chiffs spliced on. What you hear is as close to the real thing = as > >science allows. > > Hello, Gary: > > Your comments serve to confirm my thoughts on the reasons for Ian's > question. In instruments based on 'real time' computing, nothing is > recorded and played back: instead, all of the voicing is created, by = ear, > in software, and is the equivalent of a pipe organ builder producing the > pipes and voicing them. > > Consider what you hear when you hear a 'sampled' stop - it is a = recording > of a pipe organ stop, and there is no doubt that this can sound = extremely > good. However, with a proper 'real time' system (such as Musicom's), = only > when you draw a stop and play a note is a wave form created (there is no > sampled loop, however modified, to be repeated) and that wave form = varies > when you next play that note on that stop, depending upon what is being > asked of it in the context of other notes played, etc - just as with = pipes > and wind. That is real time. A sampling instrument simply repeats the > sample of the recorded note because it has a fixed wave form and it can = do > nothing else - or am I wrong? :-) > > Best wishes, > > Cheryl > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:23:37 -0400   In a message dated Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:32:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = pemmons@wcupa.edu writes:   > WS folk don't strike me as the > kind of people who would accept a book that they weren't > involved in > compiling.   The ones I knew probably wouldn't accept it even if they WERE involved in = compiling it!      
(back) Subject: Re: Shrinky-Dinks, was Moller Drawknobs From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:20:12 EDT   The best of the Mollerus Shrinky-Dinkerus items was the Crescendo = indicator, which would cup outwards, snagging the metal indicator arrow...  
(back) Subject: Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:50:51 EDT   In a message dated 6/10/02 12:32:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pemmons@wcupa.edu writes:   << If so, it would seem to be advisable purely from a commercial standpoint for the WS to be consulted in preparing the new hymnal, as WS folk don't strike me as the kind of people who would accept a book that they weren't involved in compiling. >>   As an aside - several years ago when I was a member of one the big army = bands in Washington, D.C., we were in New Ulm, MN for an evening concert, as = well as afternoon masterclasses and a recital at Dr. Martin Luther College. We =   had an hour break between the masterclass and recital, so I wandered into = the college book store. I found several things to purchase, including a copy = of the LC/WS hymnal. As I was checking out, the cashier - a lady in her late =   50's or so, asked me if I was a Lutheran. I responded in the affirmative, =   and she then asked Wisconsin Synod, and I responded, "No, ELCA." She = then said just a second and disappeared into the store's office. She came out = a couple of minutes later and said something to the effect of: I just had to =   make sure it was OK to let you buy a copy of our hymnal.......  
(back) Subject: Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal From: <DrB88@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:54:06 EDT     --part1_3e.1f721e1b.2a3679fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   To my knowledge, Wisonsin Synod is not involved. They have their own hymnal...and it is fairly recent. My copy is at my office (not here at home), so I can't give you the particulars. It seems as though the title = is "Christian Worship", but I'm not sure about that. Perhaps someone can correct me...   David B. in Chicago   --part1_3e.1f721e1b.2a3679fe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">To my knowledge, Wisonsin Synod is not = involved.&nbsp; They have their own hymnal...and it is fairly = recent.&nbsp; My copy is at my office (not here at home), so I can't give = you the particulars.&nbsp; It seems as though the title is "Christian = Worship", but I'm not sure about that.&nbsp; Perhaps someone can correct = me...<BR> <BR> David B. in<BR> Chicago</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3e.1f721e1b.2a3679fe_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:04:06 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3106577046_1919414_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   I am music director and organist in an ELCA church. One of my choir = members told me yesterday that the Lutheran Book of Worship, which I had thought both the ELCA and the Missouri Synod use, exists in a different, revised version for the Missouri Synod churches. Can someone confirm this?     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu           --MS_Mac_OE_3106577046_1919414_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <BLOCKQUOTE>I am music director and organist in an ELCA church. &nbsp;One = o=3D f my choir members told me yesterday that the Lutheran Book of Worship, = whic=3D h I had thought both the ELCA and the Missouri Synod use, exists in a = differ=3D ent, revised version for the Missouri Synod churches. &nbsp;Can someone = conf=3D irm this?<BR> <BR> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Randy Runyon<BR> Music Director<BR> Zion Lutheran Church<BR> Hamilton, Ohio<BR> runyonr@muohio.edu<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3106577046_1919414_MIME_Part--