PipeChat Digest #2892 - Monday, June 10, 2002
 
RE: New Missouri Synod Hymnal
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Open house
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
The wit of the Chorister
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal
  by <Pepehomer@aol.com>
(no subject)
  by "Jonathan" <jhumbert@ptd.net>
Re: The wit of the Chorister
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
(no subject)
  by "Jonathan" <jhumbert@ptd.net>
Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
SORTA OFF-TOPIC: Lutheran Hymnals -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: New Missouri Synod Hymnal
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
Re: The wit of the Chorister
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal
  by "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net>
Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: SORTA OFF-TOPIC: Lutheran Hymnals -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
 

(back) Subject: RE: New Missouri Synod Hymnal From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:07:42 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000D_01C210A9.BE910E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Randy, a couple of years ago I played for a dedication of the organ (nothing spectacular, just a 2-manual Allen) at a Missouri Synod church in Pensacola. When asked my fee, I asked for a copy of the hymnal, and they asked, "Which one?" I received a copy each of "Lutheran Worship", prepared by the Commission on Worship of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod (Concordia, 1982), and "The Lutheran Book of Worship". I never asked why they were using both. Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Randolph Runyon Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 5:04 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal I am music director and organist in an ELCA church. One of my choir members told me yesterday that the Lutheran Book of Worship, which I had thought both the ELCA and the Missouri Synod use, exists in a different, revised version for the Missouri Synod churches. Can someone confirm this?     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu         ------=3D_NextPart_000_000D_01C210A9.BE910E10 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html xmlns:o=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =3D xmlns:w=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =3D xmlns:st1=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" =3D xmlns=3D3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">   <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii">     <meta name=3D3DProgId content=3D3DWord.Document> <meta name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 10"> <meta name=3D3DOriginator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 10"> <link rel=3D3DFile-List href=3D3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C210A9.B50C6100"> <title>Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal</title> <o:SmartTagType =3D namespaceuri=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D3D"PlaceType"/> <o:SmartTagType =3D namespaceuri=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D3D"PlaceName"/> <o:SmartTagType =3D namespaceuri=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D3D"City"/> <o:SmartTagType =3D namespaceuri=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D3D"place"/> <o:SmartTagType =3D namespaceuri=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D3D"PersonName"/> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:SpellingState>Clean</w:SpellingState> <w:GrammarState>Clean</w:GrammarState> <w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind> <w:EnvelopeVis/> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if !mso]> <style> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Footlight MT Light"; 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</span>When asked my fee, I asked for = =3D a copy of the hymnal, and they asked, &#8220;Which one?&#8221;<span style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>I received a copy each of =3D &#8220;Lutheran Worship&#8221;, prepared by the Commission on Worship of the =3D </span></font><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><font color=3D3Dblue face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Lutheran</span></font></st1:PlaceN= =3D ame><font color=3D3Dblue face=3D3DArial><span = style=3D3D'font-family:Arial;color:blue'> =3D </span></font><st1:PlaceType><font color=3D3Dblue face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Church</span></font></st1:PlaceTyp= =3D e></st1:place><font color=3D3Dblue face=3D3DArial><span = style=3D3D'font-family:Arial;color:blue'> =3D &#8211; Missouri Synod (Concordia, 1982), and &#8220;The Lutheran Book of =3D Worship&#8221;.<span style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>I never asked why they were =3D using both.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <div>   <p class=3D3DMsoAutoSig><st1:PersonName><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = =3D face=3D3D"Colonna MT"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Colonna =3D MT";color:blue;mso-no-proof:yes'>Glenda</span></font></st1:PersonName><fo= =3D nt color=3D3Dblue face=3D3D"Colonna MT"><span style=3D3D'font-family:"Colonna = =3D MT";color:blue; mso-no-proof:yes'> Sutton<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue face=3D3D"Colonna = =3D MT"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Colonna =3D MT";color:blue;mso-no-proof:yes'>gksjd85@direcway.com<o:p></o:p></span></= =3D font></p>   </div>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D face=3D3DTahoma><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =3D Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>On = =3D Behalf Of </span></b>Randolph Runyon<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 10, = =3D 2002 5:04 PM<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> PipeChat<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: New Missouri = =3D Synod Hymnal</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <blockquote style=3D3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D style=3D3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I am music director and organist in an ELCA = =3D church. &nbsp;One of my choir members told me yesterday that the Lutheran Book =3D of Worship, which I had thought both the ELCA and the Missouri Synod use, =3D exists in a different, revised version for the Missouri Synod churches. =3D &nbsp;Can someone confirm this?<br style=3D3D'mso-special-character:line-break'> <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br =3D style=3D3D'mso-special-character:line-break'> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   </blockquote>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D style=3D3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Randy Runyon<br> Music Director<br> Zion Lutheran Church<br> Hamilton, Ohio<br> runyonr@muohio.edu<br> <br style=3D3D'mso-special-character:line-break'> <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br =3D style=3D3D'mso-special-character:line-break'> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   </div>   </body>   </html>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000D_01C210A9.BE910E10--      
(back) Subject: Open house From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:34:20 -0500   We had a very good turnout at our open house for the 1885 Rosevelt yesterday. I thank everyone for their exciting playing and interest. The organ will be here for some time yet, since the chapel building is not yet ready. Please feel free to drop in if you are in our area. Roy Redman    
(back) Subject: The wit of the Chorister From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:34:57 +0100     Hello,   I recalled an amusng incident which took place a couple or more decades = ago, when I was Organist & Choirmaster at a large Northen England Parish = Church here in Yorkshire.   Being something of a motor-sport buff, I used to be involved in the = sport of "rallying", in which grown men act like hooligans and drive as = fast as possible through forests, on rough roads. I had a particularly bad event, being dogged with unreliability and = several punctures. To make matters worse, I had somehow managed to roll = the car over into a ditch, but without too much damage to myself or the = vehicle. Nevertheless, extensive work had to be done to the car before = it could be retrieved, placed on the trailer and brought home.........   So it was, that a slightly chastened and bruised Organist & Choirmaster = arrived ten minutes before morning service, with the rally car and the = towing van absolutely splattered in thick, light brown mud.   My cassock and surplice hid most of the mud, oil and forest grime as I = slid onto the organ. The Choir were on good form, recalled their = practise very well and had not the slightest difficulty with an Anthem = by Wesley. I left the final voluntary to the Assistant Organist and made = a fairly quick departure.   Reaching the outside world and eager to get the car home for immediate = repairs for the next event, I stopped dead in my tracks as, in = delightfully childish handwriting, scribed in the thick mud along the = side of the rally car, was the title of the Service Anthem......it = read:-     "Wash me throughly!"   :)   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK              
(back) Subject: Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal From: <Pepehomer@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:36:10 -0400   In a message dated Mon, 10 Jun 2002 6:09:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = runyonr@muohio.edu writes:   > I am music director and organist in an ELCA church. One of my choir = members told me yesterday that the Lutheran Book of Worship, which I had = thought both the ELCA and the Missouri Synod use, exists in a different, = revised version for the > Missouri Synod churches. Can someone confirm this?   To my knowledge, when the LBW was released, the Missouri Synod found it = not to be totally consistant with the theological teachings of the Synod, = so they created the "new" hymnal, Lutheran Worship, which is more used in = the LCMS than the "green" hymnal. I don't know too many details on why = the "green" hymnal was rejected, but I would be very interested to hear = them!   Justin Karch Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS Rome, GA  
(back) Subject: From: "Jonathan" <jhumbert@ptd.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:24:37 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0054_01C210BC.D74C67C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Subject: Digitally Sampled vs Real Time From: "r" <basset3@citlink.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:51:11 -0400   Cheryl: You made it quite understandable. Allen, Rodgers, Johannes and others are using digital samples which =3D "play back" exactly as recorded. Which companies are using "real time" technology that creates the =3D variable wave? I'm interested in knowing. Thanks, Robert Clooney (Middletown, NY)     Two digital organs that use "real time" sound production are Eminent and = =3D Cantor organs. They are both from The Netherlands, as well. If you =3D like Johannus, you should listen to these two organs. You can find both = =3D organs at www.eminent-usa.com in the US. The Eminent organs can allow =3D you to voice each stop.   Jon   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0054_01C210BC.D74C67C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>Subject: Digitally Sampled vs Real Time<BR>From: "r" &lt;<A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:basset3@citlink.net">basset3@citlink.net</A>&gt;<BR>Date: = =3D Mon, 10=3D20 Jun 2002 18:51:11 -0400<BR><BR>Cheryl:<BR>You made it quite=3D20 understandable.<BR>Allen, Rodgers, Johannes and others are using digital = =3D samples=3D20 which "play<BR>back" exactly as recorded.<BR>Which companies are using =3D "real=3D20 time" technology that creates the variable<BR>wave?&nbsp; I'm interested = =3D in=3D20 knowing.<BR>Thanks,<BR>Robert Clooney (Middletown, NY)<BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style">Two digital organs that use "real = =3D time"=3D20 sound production are Eminent and Cantor organs.&nbsp; They are both from = =3D The=3D20 Netherlands, as well.&nbsp; If you like Johannus, you should listen to =3D these two=3D20 organs.&nbsp; You can find both organs&nbsp;at <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.eminent-usa.com">www.eminent-usa.com</A>&nbsp;in the = =3D US.&nbsp;=3D20 The Eminent organs can allow you to voice each stop.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style">Jon</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0054_01C210BC.D74C67C0--    
(back) Subject: Re: The wit of the Chorister From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:27:34 -0400   On 6/10/02 7:34 PM, "cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk" <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:   > > Hello, > > I recalled an amusng incident   THAT IS CUTE. That is very genuinely cute. Couldn't have been better.   Alan    
(back) Subject: From: "Jonathan" <jhumbert@ptd.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:27:38 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005D_01C210BD.43A8E240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Sorry, the Cantor organs can be found at =3D www.cantor-organs.demon.nl/index.htm   Jon   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005D_01C210BD.43A8E240 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style">Sorry, the Cantor organs can be = =3D found at <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.cantor-organs.demon.nl/index.htm">www.cantor-organs.de= =3D mon.nl/index.htm</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style">Jon</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005D_01C210BD.43A8E240--    
(back) Subject: Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:51:03 -0500   Justin,   I have never known the LCMS to use the Lutheran Book of Worship. The = church is using either The Lutheran Hymnal, Lutheran Worship or a combination. Some of the hymns are taken from All God's People Sing or the Hymn Supplement.   Jim H ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pepehomer@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 6:36 PM Subject: Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal     > In a message dated Mon, 10 Jun 2002 6:09:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, runyonr@muohio.edu writes: > > Justin Karch > Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS > Rome, GA > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: SORTA OFF-TOPIC: Lutheran Hymnals -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:42:38 -0700   I think the further one gets from the Holy City (St. Louis), the more likely it is that one will find the ELCA hymnal in a LCMS church ... I can think of several LCMS churches in San Diego County that use it, though the PRINCIPAL LCMS parish does NOT, and preserves the HIGH germanic choral services, with vestments and incense on feast days.   Cheers,   Bud   Jim Hailey wrote: > > Justin, > > I have never known the LCMS to use the Lutheran Book of Worship. The = church > is using either The Lutheran Hymnal, Lutheran Worship or a combination. > Some of the hymns are taken from All God's People Sing or the Hymn > Supplement. > > Jim H > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Pepehomer@aol.com> > To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal > > > In a message dated Mon, 10 Jun 2002 6:09:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > runyonr@muohio.edu writes: > > > > Justin Karch > > Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS > > Rome, GA > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: New Missouri Synod Hymnal From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:01:03 -0500   Pardon the senior moment please. I do recall when ELCA and LCMA were jointly working on a hymn project. I don't recall the particulars, but = they no longer involved in this endeavor.   I should have prefaced my previous email with "my congregation" Sorry for the misleading information.   Jim H    
(back) Subject: Re: The wit of the Chorister From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:42:37 EDT     --part1_f2.1cd208ce.2a36a17d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   That is wonderful!! We would call it, mudslinging or four-wheeling here. =     Neil by the Bay   --part1_f2.1cd208ce.2a36a17d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">That is wonderful!!&nbsp; We would call it, = mudslinging or four-wheeling here.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Neil by the Bay</FONT></HTML>   --part1_f2.1cd208ce.2a36a17d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal From: "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:42:59 -0700   Yes in fact there are several LCMS churchs that use LBW its is less than = 5% of the total congregations I believe. I'm not sure that all of it is just the hymnal itself as the accepted ways of ELCA versus LCMS. LCMS pulled from the project before it went to final print. Then they rushed to do LW hence it being considered by some a cobbled mess.   The only LCMS church I know personally to use LBW is Pacific Hills = Lutheran in Omaha Nebraska, they alternate between LBW and LW.   Travis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 5:51 PM Subject: Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal     > Justin, > > I have never known the LCMS to use the Lutheran Book of Worship. The church > is using either The Lutheran Hymnal, Lutheran Worship or a combination. > Some of the hymns are taken from All God's People Sing or the Hymn > Supplement. > > Jim H > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Pepehomer@aol.com> > To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal > > > > In a message dated Mon, 10 Jun 2002 6:09:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > runyonr@muohio.edu writes: > > > > Justin Karch > > Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS > > Rome, GA > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:45:18 -0500       Jim Hailey wrote:   > Justin, > > I have never known the LCMS to use the Lutheran Book of Worship. The = church > is using either The Lutheran Hymnal, Lutheran Worship or a combination. > Some of the hymns are taken from All God's People Sing or the Hymn > Supplement.   I think it is less common now than formerly, and with both the ELCA and = LC-MS involved in preparation of new worship materials, it will be still less = common in the future, but I do personally know of LC-MS congregations which used = LBW, either by itself, or in conjunction with LW.   ns.    
(back) Subject: Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:46:04 -0400   On 6/10/02 12:31 PM, "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> wrote:   > Just out of curiosity-- is the Wisconsin Synod involved in any way? = When I > was growing up in Wisconsin, the WS and Missouri Synod both used The > Lutheran Hymnal. Are they still using the same hymnal?   I don't think so. I think WELS has their own now. And I've heard it's = very good indeed.   > If so, it would > seem to be advisable purely from a commercial standpoint for the WS to = be > consulted in preparing the new hymnal, as WS folk don't strike me as the > kind of people who would accept a book that they weren't involved in > compiling. > I couldn't agree more. But I think WELS is willing to pay the price. = And, by the way, while I'm neither LCMS or WELS, I do have a good measure of respect for each. But they do have trouble: The tighter ("more = narrowly") you draw the lines, the easier it is to decide that somebody else just "doesn't measure up."   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: SORTA OFF-TOPIC: Lutheran Hymnals -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:08:17 -0500   Bud,   You may be closer to correct than us LCMS people care to admit. Unfortunately, you will probably find more ELCA stuff in and around St. Louis than you will in the areas between 50 and 150 mile south of St. = Louis where it seems the church has a tendency to remain as it was and has not given way to "modernism/liberalism", should I state different hymnals to remain close to topic. I will stop here.   Jim     ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 7:42 PM Subject: SORTA OFF-TOPIC: Lutheran Hymnals -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED     > I think the further one gets from the Holy City (St. Louis), > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Jim Hailey wrote: > > > > > Supplement. > > > > Jim H > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Pepehomer@aol.com> > > To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> > > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 6:36 PM > > Subject: Re: New Missouri Synod Hymnal > > > > > In a message dated Mon, 10 Jun 2002 6:09:00 PM Eastern Daylight = Time, > > runyonr@muohio.edu writes: > > > > > > Justin Karch > > > Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS > > > Rome, GA > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >