PipeChat Digest #2906 - Friday, June 14, 2002
 
Re: essential small organ
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: With One Voice clarification
  by <DrB88@aol.com>
Re: essential small organ
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole
  by <DrB88@aol.com>
Re: Lutheran Liturgies, etc.
  by <DrB88@aol.com>
Re: essential small organ
  by <DrB88@aol.com>
Re: The Essentials of a Small Organ
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
RE: With One Voice clarification
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Good, useful, fabulous, most wonderful organ websites
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
EVENSONG for St. Barnabas (transferred)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: essential small organ From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:37:30 EDT     --part1_de.287ee08f.2a3abefa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 6/13/02 11:22:20 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes: > 2. We don't know the musical tradition of that parish   Just curious!!! I've seen this question posed several times but have yet = to see a difference in stoplists from organs going in to various music traditions. I would like to see a comparison stoplist for an Episcopal/Anglican, Baptist and Presbyterian church. It has always = amused me to read stoplists of new organs with the notation that is was "designed = in consultation with Mr. X and Professor Y"..... but it's always the same = old stoplist!     Bruce in the Muttestery   with the Baskerbeagles at <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = http://members.tripod.com/brucon502 .... need extra money??? visit http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053 enjoy shopping?? visit www.freestoreclub.com/go/BDawg   --part1_de.287ee08f.2a3abefa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 6/13/02 11:22:20 PM Atlantic = Daylight Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes: <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">2. We don't know = the musical tradition of that parish</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> Just curious!!!&nbsp;&nbsp; I've seen this question posed several times = but have yet to see a difference in stoplists from organs going in to = various music traditions.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I would like to see a = comparison stoplist for an Episcopal/Anglican, Baptist and Presbyterian = church.&nbsp;&nbsp; It has always amused me to read stoplists of new = organs with the notation that is was "designed in consultation with Mr. X = and Professor Y".....&nbsp;&nbsp; but it's always the same old = stoplist!<BR> <BR> <BR> Bruce in the Muttestery <BR> <BR> with the Baskerbeagles at&nbsp; <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/brucon502">HowlingAcres</A>&nbsp;&nbsp; = http://members.tripod.com/brucon502<BR> ....&nbsp; need extra money???&nbsp;&nbsp; visit&nbsp;&nbsp; = http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053<BR> enjoy shopping??&nbsp;&nbsp; visit&nbsp; www.freestoreclub.com/go/BDawg = <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_de.287ee08f.2a3abefa_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: With One Voice clarification From: <DrB88@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:12:55 EDT     --part1_103.16be5d3b.2a3ac747_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I agree with you, Jeff... I guess that juggling a couple of books didn't = seem so bad having come from the Episcopal church where we had the Hymnal, BCP = and bulletin...and possibly a supplement... all the time. And, although we = use WOV frequently, there are many services where LBW is the only book used. = We have taken to using the "blue hymnal"/"green hymnal" designation--makes matters much simpler.   Was it Garrison Keillor who said that one "needed to be an octopus to be = an Episcoplian"??!! I loved that line!! :-)   David   --part1_103.16be5d3b.2a3ac747_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I agree with you, Jeff... I guess that juggling = a couple of books didn't seem so bad having come from the Episcopal church = where we had the Hymnal, BCP and bulletin...and possibly a supplement... = all the time.&nbsp; And, although we use WOV frequently, there are many = services where LBW is the only book used.&nbsp; We have taken to using the = "blue hymnal"/"green hymnal" designation--makes matters much simpler.<BR> <BR> Was it Garrison Keillor who said that one "needed to be an octopus to be = an Episcoplian"??!!&nbsp; I loved that line!!&nbsp; :-)<BR> <BR> David</FONT></HTML>   --part1_103.16be5d3b.2a3ac747_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: essential small organ From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:38:42 +1200   If I was designing an organ for a Baptist or Methodist church, I'd = probably have a Celeste or two. If for any church that sings, I'd want more solid chorus work. If for a church that does not sing or have a choir,m I'd probably add colourful solo stops. That's crude, but something like that.   In practice, I've always been annoyed when people describe an organ is = good or bad when they don't say in what respect, or whether the organ does fit well into the musical sensibilities and needs of the congregation and its building. In other words, I want to know, for a singing church, whether = the organ does in fact lead singing well. And so on. And even where the church is makes a difference. If the church has no air conditioning ( we don't = have this in NZ) I'd want to know if an organtuner lives reasonably close = before I specified fractional-length reeds that would need more regular tuning.   I think any organ designer needs to spend several weeks in the parish that is going to get the organ, to judge the building's acoustics, the congregations size and needs at different services, the kind of sound = needed there for the kinds of demands made on the instrument, and so on, = including even the skill of the musicians. If there are going to be no recitals and the organists are unlikely ever to be of great quality, I wouldn't bother with heaps of pistons and sequencers etc. If the instrument is for accompanying loud singing only, I'd probably make it all unenclosed. If it needs to accompany a choir, I'd want to make sure it could be throttled = back without being restricted to merely an 8ft Gedackt. And so on.   Comprenez?   Ross -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com <Cremona502@cs.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, June 14, 2002 3:43 PM Subject: Re: essential small organ     In a message dated 6/13/02 11:22:20 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes:   2. We don't know the musical tradition of that parish     Just curious!!! I've seen this question posed several times but have = yet to see a difference in stoplists from organs going in to various music traditions. I would like to see a comparison stoplist for an Episcopal/Anglican, Baptist and Presbyterian church. It has always = amused me to read stoplists of new organs with the notation that is was "designed in consultation with Mr. X and Professor Y"..... but it's always the = same old stoplist!     Bruce in the Muttestery   with the Baskerbeagles at HowlingAcres http://members.tripod.com/brucon502 ... need extra money??? visit http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053 enjoy shopping?? visit www.freestoreclub.com/go/BDawg      
(back) Subject: Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole From: <DrB88@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:24:56 EDT     --part1_43.ce30a33.2a3aca18_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Jeremy...   I concur with you... Thanks for saying "out loud" what I have thought for several years. I'm less prone to vary things quite as often as you....but =   that's just different strokes for different folks, and the unique dynamic = of a different parish. As a "Baptist-turned-Anglican-trying-to-be-Lutheran", = I miss the flexibility that the Episcopal Church gave us in this regard.   This has been a very enjoyable thread of discussion...even if a bit = off-topic on an organ chat list. I sincerely appreciate all the contributions to = the discussion!   David   --part1_43.ce30a33.2a3aca18_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Jeremy...<BR> <BR> I concur with you... Thanks for saying "out loud" what I have thought for = several years.&nbsp; I'm less prone to vary things quite as often as = you....but that's just different strokes for different folks, and the = unique dynamic of a different parish.&nbsp; As a = "Baptist-turned-Anglican-trying-to-be-Lutheran", I miss the flexibility = that the Episcopal Church gave us in this regard.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> This has been a very enjoyable thread of discussion...even if a bit = off-topic on an organ chat list.&nbsp; I sincerely appreciate all the = contributions to the discussion!<BR> <BR> David</FONT></HTML>   --part1_43.ce30a33.2a3aca18_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Lutheran Liturgies, etc. From: <DrB88@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:33:30 EDT     --part1_17b.9a76655.2a3acc1a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 6/13/2002 1:02:58 PM Central Daylight Time, Pepehomer@aol.com writes:     > We tried Matins out the LBW once out of the eight years I have been = here. > Horrible tragedy. Turned into one long organ solo. I hope the Synod is =   > going back and using the LW version of Matins for the upcoming hymnal. = You > can't beat the Te Deum (oh I hope I remembered the correct part - the > slightly long part with the key change for the middle three verses). I = get > fired up just playing it alone. >   I don't have an LW handy to check, but I'm fairly certain the Te Deum = (fits the description you gave above) is the same in both hymnals. We use LBW Morning Prayer twice a month with good success. To me, one essential is assigning the "I" and "II" segments to portions of the = congregation...(men, women, etc.). It can seem long otherwise. The same with the Te Deum.   David   --part1_17b.9a76655.2a3acc1a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 6/13/2002 1:02:58 PM Central = Daylight Time, Pepehomer@aol.com writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">We tried Matins = out the LBW once out of the eight years I have been here.&nbsp; Horrible = tragedy.&nbsp; Turned into one long organ solo.&nbsp; I hope the Synod is = going back and using the LW version of Matins for the upcoming = hymnal.&nbsp; You can't beat the Te Deum (oh I hope I remembered the = correct part - the slightly long part with the key change for the middle = three verses).&nbsp; I get fired up just playing it alone.<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> I don't have an LW handy to check, but I'm fairly certain the Te Deum = (fits the description you gave above) is the same in both hymnals.&nbsp; = We use LBW Morning Prayer twice a month with good success.&nbsp; To me, = one essential is assigning the "I" and "II" segments to portions of the = congregation...(men, women, etc.).&nbsp; It can seem long otherwise.&nbsp; = The same with the Te Deum.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> David</FONT></HTML>   --part1_17b.9a76655.2a3acc1a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: essential small organ From: <DrB88@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:42:05 EDT     --part1_b7.21f7d79d.2a3ace1d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Good point...... I've wondered the same!   I do think, however, that more variety would appear in a larger specification. The limitations of this design, admittedly, don't allow = for as much variation.   David   --part1_b7.21f7d79d.2a3ace1d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Good point...... I've wondered the same!<BR> <BR> I do think, however, that more variety would appear in a larger = specification.&nbsp; The limitations of this design, admittedly, don't = allow for as much variation.<BR> <BR> David</FONT></HTML>   --part1_b7.21f7d79d.2a3ace1d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: The Essentials of a Small Organ From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 05:19:39 +0000   Here is an actual installation I designed in Tooting, London, 35 years = ago: (Grant Degens & Bradbeer)It has electro pneumatic action but could just as =   well be tracker. I think I would design the same today. John Foss Pedal 1 Subbass 16 2 Principal 8 3 Choral 4 4 Mixture II 19.22 5 Rankett 16   Great 6 Stopped Diapason 8 7 Principal 4 8 Quint 2 2/3 9 Blockflute 2 10 Tierce 1 3/5 11 Fourniture IV 15.19.22.26 12 Tremulant   Swell (enclosed) 13 Spitzprincipal 8 14 Chimney Flute 4 15 Principal 2 16 Larigot 1 1/3 17 Trumpet 8 18 Tremulant       _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com    
(back) Subject: RE: With One Voice clarification From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:31:01 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000E_01C2133A.C26F4C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I thought it was "Lutheran", but you could be right! <GRIN>   Jeff I agree with you, Jeff... I guess that juggling a couple of books didn't seem so bad having come from the Episcopal church where we had the Hymnal, BCP and bulletin...and possibly a supplement... all the time. And, = although we use WOV frequently, there are many services where LBW is the only book used. We have taken to using the "blue hymnal"/"green hymnal" designation--makes matters much simpler.   Was it Garrison Keillor who said that one "needed to be an octopus to be an Episcoplian"??!! I loved that line!! :-)   David   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000E_01C2133A.C26F4C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D850383005-14062002><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>I=3D20 thought it was "Lutheran", but you could be right!=3D20 &lt;GRIN&gt;</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D850383005-14062002><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D850383005-14062002><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>Jeff</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid"> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr = align=3D3Dleft><FONT=3D20 face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">I agree=3D20 with you, Jeff... I guess that juggling a couple of books didn't seem = =3D so bad=3D20 having come from the Episcopal church where we had the Hymnal, BCP and = =3D   bulletin...and possibly a supplement... all the time.&nbsp; And, =3D although we=3D20 use WOV frequently, there are many services where LBW is the only book = =3D   used.&nbsp; We have taken to using the "blue hymnal"/"green hymnal"=3D20 designation--makes matters much simpler.<BR><BR>Was it Garrison =3D Keillor who=3D20 said that one "needed to be an octopus to be an Episcoplian"??!!&nbsp; = =3D I loved=3D20 that line!!&nbsp; :-)<BR><BR>David</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000E_01C2133A.C26F4C20--    
(back) Subject: Good, useful, fabulous, most wonderful organ websites From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 02:02:16 EDT   Hi, Y'all!   I've been asked to provide the handout on the organ-related internet = websites for the Rochester POE in July. David Scribner has shared his very = excellent handout from the recnet Pipes, Pizza, etc., event in Little Rock, but I thought perhaps you might have others I'm not aware of. Perhaps a list = exists somewhere "out there" in cyberworld.   If you send the names to me privately (or not so privately!) I'll make an electronic compilation to share with the lists.   As always, I'm in your debt!   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea  
(back) Subject: EVENSONG for St. Barnabas (transferred) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:15:09 -0700   St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Church 2300 Ford Road (at Bonita Canyon & Prairie Roads) Newport Beach CA USA   Friday, June 14 - Evensong at 6:30 p.m.   Voluntary - Gaudeamus - Titcomb Hymn - The Eternal Gifts of Christ the King - Mechlin chant Preces - ferial Psalm 77 - Tone 8 with fauxbourdons Magnificat - Anglican Chant - Barnby in D (double chant) Nunc dimittis - Anglican Chant - Dupius in g minor (single chant) Creed and Suffrages - ferial Anthem - The Souls of the Righteous - Griesbacher/Clark Hymn - Let Us Now Our Voices Raise - Tempus adest floridum Voluntary - Improvisation - Trumpet Tune on "Tempus adest floridum"   The occasion is our annual St. Barnabas BBQ / party for new members ... it'll be GREAT to hear over a hundred people sing Evensong in the new building. This is our first BIG Evensong since we moved.   The congregation has been singing Evensong every Tuesday night before supper and Bible class for about four years now ... that usually runs about 25-50 people, depending on the time of year ... so ENOUGH people know the chants to carry it.   The choir has agreed (after suitable arm-twisting and guilt-tripping) (grin) to do these Friday night Evensongs ... we have them about once a month, or once every other month ... more often during Advent and Lent. Since all they have to do is the Psalm and an anthem, it's not a lot of extra work for them. We do the Barnby and the Dupius all the time with just the congregation.   EVENTUALLY, *maybe* we'll do more music ... but it's a nice service as it stands.   Cheers,   Bud