PipeChat Digest #2910 - Saturday, June 15, 2002
 
digital voices and voicers
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wayne@eminent-usa.com>
Philadelphia landmarks
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: digital voices and voicers(REPLY: LONG)
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re: Philadelphia landmarks
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Youth for Organs!
  by "Panning" <jpanning@cal-net.net>
Re: Philadelphia landmarks
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: Youth for Organs!
  by "Richard Jordan" <mail@gesangbuch.org>
Re: Youth for Organs!
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Youth for Organs!
  by "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net>
Philadelphia Cathedral
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
Jan Girardot Mother of all organ Lists
  by "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au>
Re: Jan Girardot Mother of all organ Lists
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: digital voices and voicers(REPLY: LONG)
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: digital voices and voicers(REPLY: LONG)
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re: digital voices and voicers(REPLY: LONG)
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re: Jan Girardot Mother of all organ Lists
  by "REIngraham" <reingraham@stratos.net>
Re: Jan Girardot Mother of all organ Lists
  by "REIngraham" <reingraham@stratos.net>
Jan Girardot
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: digital voices and voicers From: "Wayne Grauel" <wayne@eminent-usa.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:47:12 -0400   This raises an interesting point.....is the digital organ actually >potentially BETTER than we give it credit for? May it be that there are = a >number of cloth-eared fools involved in certain digital organs? Indeed, >are we merely perpetuating the chronic failures of "voicers" over the >centuries; few of whom seemed to actually know what they were doing? >       AMEN~ He who has ears, let him hear!       Wayne    
(back) Subject: Philadelphia landmarks From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:39:27 -0500   This is off-topic, but because a contingent of you will be in Philadelphia looking at and for landmarks, and because I am curious, I am asking.   Last night I was half-heartedly watching a movie on television called "Twelve Monkeys", with Bruce Willis, Madeline Stowe and Brad Pitt. I would watch, then leave a moment to do something, then come back. I was not paying attention to skylines, and most of the scenes were set in dingy dilapidated ghetto-looking sites. Anyway, at a certain point in the movie the protagonist (Bruce Willis) looks up at a landmark, the Eagle, and the Wanamaker storefront is seen. I suddenly sit up. The next scene has him and Madeline Stowe buying stuff in Lord & Taylor, the organ fa=E7ade clearly in the background and striking chords of fond memory in my heart. So I know this is Philadelphia.   However, there was an earlier scene set outside a great building looking suspiciously like the Museum of Art, but cluttered with debris and homeless people. The following scene, which is supposed to lead us to believe is shot inside this building but which of course may not have been, is a huge auditorium/indoor amphitheatre/concert hall, again looking long abandoned and full of homeless people. =20   Now for my question. Does such an abandoned crumbling edifice exist, or perhaps a building or two made to look like that for the movie? What is it? And because of its size, was or is there an organ therein?   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: digital voices and voicers(REPLY: LONG) From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:05:20 EDT     --part1_195.850000a.2a3c9590_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Wayne,   I feel people are being unfair in their "dissing' of digital instruments. I was one of these people for many years. I would NEVER have = an "electronic gizmo" in my church. But, the day came to replace our organ = and we did not have the budget for a new pipe organ. The cost would have been = a staggering $1.2 million for a new pipe organ. We simply could not afford = that large expense. We have a large sanctuary that seats over 1,200 people who pray reverently and sing beautifully. Our organ committee and I researched, played and listened to many organ installations for over a year. We heard many pipe as well as = digital organs in the southeastern USA. You name it , we heard and played it. Many outstanding pipe/digital organs by Allen, Reuter, Rodgers = Wicks and Zimmer were also played and listened to. We finally decided on a pipe/digital combination by Allen with the =   pipework done by Lauck Pipe Organ Company of Ostego, MI. Lauck is a small company that produces the most awesome sounding organs. = We heard Alan Morrison play the Dedicatory Recital on an Allen/Lauck installation at First Presbyterian in Orlando, Fl. The organ is STUNNING and the sound breath- taking. Alan Morrison = was technically perfect and his musicianship and artistry superb. Once we = heard this organ we knew we had made the right decision to go with Allen/Lauck. We now have a custom Allen Renaissance 80 stop pipe/digital installation in our sanctuary. It is absolutely remarkable. I have Cavaille-Coll , Casavant, Schlicker, Skinner , St. Mary's, Radcliff, England. samples that make the organ sound like a "million" bucks. The pipe sound is marvelous including the pipe nuances that we all listen for with bated breath . I have played many pipe organs that do not =   sound as good as our Allen Renaissance. Our pipe ranks include: Principal =   8', Octave 4', Fifteenth 2', Harmonic Flute 8' and Processional Trumpet in =   the rear of the church under the high stained glass window. I have been spending 5-6 hours a day practicing on our new installation. Like being back in grad school... LOL The console is a custom 3 manual drawknob with bone keys and walnut = sharps. This organ is a thrill to play. I can play organ literature from Bach to Langlais to Widor.... Thanks for listening to me. Enjoy!!   Sincerely,   Daniel Weimer Port Orange, Fl.   --part1_195.850000a.2a3c9590_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3>Dear Wayne,<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I feel people are being unfair in = their "dissing' of digital instruments. I was one of these people for many = years. I would NEVER have an "electronic gizmo" in my church. But, the = day&nbsp; came to replace our organ and we did not have the budget for a = new pipe organ. The cost would have been a staggering $1.2 million for a = new pipe organ. We simply could not afford that large expense. We have a = large sanctuary that seats over 1,200 people who pray&nbsp; reverently and = sing beautifully.<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Our organ committee and I researched, = played and listened to many organ installations for over a year. We heard = many pipe&nbsp; as well as&nbsp; digital organs in the southeastern USA. = You name it , we heard and played it. <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Many outstanding pipe/digital = organs&nbsp; by Allen, Reuter, Rodgers&nbsp; Wicks and Zimmer were&nbsp; = also played and listened to. <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We finally decided on a = pipe/digital combination by Allen with the pipework done by Lauck Pipe = Organ Company of Ostego, MI. <BR> Lauck is a small company that produces the most&nbsp; awesome sounding = organs. We heard Alan Morrison play the Dedicatory Recital on an = Allen/Lauck installation at First Presbyterian in Orlando, Fl. <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The&nbsp; organ is STUNNING and the = sound breath- taking. Alan Morrison was technically perfect and his = musicianship and artistry superb. Once we heard this organ we knew we had = made the right decision to go with Allen/Lauck.<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We now have a custom Allen&nbsp; = Renaissance 80 stop pipe/digital installation in our sanctuary. It is = absolutely remarkable. I have&nbsp; Cavaille-Coll , Casavant, = Schlicker,&nbsp; Skinner , St. Mary's, Radcliff, England. samples that = make the organ sound like a "million" bucks. <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The pipe sound is marvelous including = the pipe nuances that we all listen for&nbsp; with bated breath . I have = played many pipe organs that do not sound as good as our Allen = Renaissance. Our pipe ranks&nbsp; include: Principal 8', Octave 4', = Fifteenth 2', Harmonic Flute 8' and Processional Trumpet in the rear of = the church under the high stained glass&nbsp; window.<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have been spending 5-6 hours a day = practicing&nbsp; on our new installation. Like being back in grad = school... LOL <BR> The console is a custom 3 manual drawknob with bone keys and walnut = sharps. This organ is a thrill to play. I can play organ literature from = Bach to Langlais to Widor.... Thanks for listening to me. Enjoy!!<BR> <BR> Sincerely,<BR> <BR> Daniel Weimer<BR> Port Orange, Fl.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_195.850000a.2a3c9590_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Philadelphia landmarks From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:11:57 -0400   those of you who will be in Philadelphia for the convention: Are there = plans to meet??? Merry Foxworth  
(back) Subject: Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:00:43 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3106987244_4152871 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 6/12/02 10:46 PM, "MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com" <MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com> wrote:   > <snip> You all know as well as I do....Lutheran congregations sing the = sa=3D me > blasted thing over and over and over and over......every bloomin' week. = =3D The > best one can usually wish for is to change from setting one to setting = tw=3D o at > one point in the year, at which time you sing the same blasted thing = over=3D and > over......every bloomin' week until you switch back. >=3D20 > By no means at Saint Luke=3DB9s. We are CONSTANTLY changing. First = setting =3D on > Green Sundays; Second from Christmas through Epiphany and in Easter (in = E=3D aster > go for the Ferguson elaboration); Third in Advent and Lent. Using = (usual=3D ly) > the guidelines in the LBW handbook, we use Kyrie, Gloria (or This is the > feast, in Easter), or both, or neither. Gloria might be a metrical = versi=3D on or > something new composed by our cantor; similarly with Agnus Dei, or even = t=3D he > Sanctus, and certainly with acclamations in the eucharistic prayer. = Exce=3D pt > the doldrums of a dozen summer Sundays, when there=3DB9s not a lot of = variety=3D (our > choir is on hiatus, and we have a LOT of tourist traffic), there=3DB9s = hardly=3D two > Sundays in a row without something new, refreshing, and even exciting = goi=3D ng > on. >=3D20 > So, with that said, I'm curious as to how many have latched on to that = fr=3D eedom > of using service music from different sources for variety and changing = th=3D em > more often. I think this approach would bring life to an otherwise = robot=3D ic > cycle of repetition. >=3D20 > I think you=3DB9re right, Jer. >=3D20 > Alan >=3D20     --B_3106987244_4152871 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 6/12/02 10:46 PM, = &quot;MyrtleBeachMusic@ao=3D l.com&quot; &lt;MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">&lt;snip&gt; You all know as = well as =3D I do....Lutheran congregations sing the same blasted thing over and over = and=3D over and over......every bloomin' week. &nbsp;The best one can usually = wish=3D for is to change from setting one to setting two at one point in the = year, =3D at which time you sing the same blasted thing over and over......every = bloom=3D in' week until you switch back.<BR> <BR> <I>By no means at Saint Luke&#8217;s. &nbsp;We are CONSTANTLY changing. = &nb=3D sp;First setting on Green Sundays; Second from Christmas through Epiphany = an=3D d in Easter (in Easter go for the Ferguson elaboration); Third in Advent = and=3D Lent. &nbsp;Using (usually) the guidelines in the LBW handbook, we use = Kyri=3D e, Gloria (or This is the feast, in Easter), or both, or neither. = &nbsp;Glor=3D ia might be a metrical version or something new composed by our cantor; = simi=3D larly with Agnus Dei, or even the Sanctus, and certainly with acclamations = i=3D n the eucharistic prayer. &nbsp;Except the doldrums of a dozen summer = Sunday=3D s, when there&#8217;s not a lot of variety (our choir is on hiatus, and we = h=3D ave a LOT of tourist traffic), there&#8217;s hardly two Sundays in a row = wit=3D hout something new, refreshing, and even exciting going on.<BR> </I><BR> So, with that said, I'm curious as to how many have latched on to that = free=3D dom of using service music from different sources for variety and changing = t=3D hem more often. &nbsp;I think this approach would bring life to an = otherwise=3D robotic cycle of repetition.<BR> <BR> <I>I think you&#8217;re right, Jer.<BR> <BR> Alan<BR> </I><BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3106987244_4152871--    
(back) Subject: Re: Youth for Organs! From: "Panning" <jpanning@cal-net.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:28:07 -0500   What an interesting remembrance.   >There were only two organs in this >[Minnesota Territory? I don't know; seems unlikely.] territory.   >This school started in the fall of 1893.   There were many pipe organs in southern Minnesota by the 1890s, chiefly in Lutheran and Roman churches. New Ulm, only 75 miles from Hauges Church, even had an organbuilder. Vogelpohl & Spaeth, which built organs primarily for Minnesota clients, nevertheless sent instruments as far east as Ohio and west to Idaho.   Unfortunately, recent news about many of these organs is not positive.   http://www.brainerddispatch.com/stories/020802/chu_0208020029.shtml   Thanks again, Alan, for a fascinating story.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Philadelphia landmarks From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:43:24 -0400   In a message dated Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:12:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = MFoxy9795 writes:   > > those of you who will be in Philadelphia for the > convention: Are there plans to meet???   after i wrote this, i was glad to see from his message on the 13th, which = i just read, that David has been building a list. what is the preference for a meeting time and place? Merry  
(back) Subject: Re: Youth for Organs! From: "Richard Jordan" <mail@gesangbuch.org> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:54:22 -0500   At 11:28 AM 6/15/02 -0500, you wrote: > >There were many pipe organs in southern Minnesota by the 1890s, >chiefly in Lutheran and Roman churches. New Ulm, only 75 miles from >Hauges Church, even had an organbuilder. Vogelpohl & Spaeth, which >built organs primarily for Minnesota clients, nevertheless sent >instruments as far east as Ohio and west to Idaho. > >Unfortunately, recent news about many of these organs is not positive. >   actually the news it not so bad, that organ went back east to be restored and used - our church was looking at getting it but we were too late - however than isn't so bad as we'll be getting another Vogelpuhl which will be restored by a builder who was Vogelpuhl's last apprentice. and we'll be able to retire a 50's Hammond A [which is looking for a home]         Regards, Richard Jordan   http://www.Lutheran-Hymnal.com http://www.OnJordansBanks.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Youth for Organs! From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:00:18 -0400   On 6/15/02 12:28 PM, "Panning" <jpanning@cal-net.net> wrote:   >> There were only two organs in this >> [Minnesota Territory? I don't know; seems unlikely.] territory. > >> This school started in the fall of 1893. > > There were many pipe organs in southern Minnesota by the 1890s, > chiefly in Lutheran and Roman churches. New Ulm, only 75 miles from > Hauges Church, even had an organbuilder. Vogelpohl & Spaeth, which > built organs primarily for Minnesota clients, nevertheless sent > instruments as far east as Ohio and west to Idaho. > Thank you, John! It dawns on me that the memoirist is speaking of "this territory," which I surmised must mean "Minnesota Territory"--which became = a state in May 1858--so perhaps he means that THEN, there were only two = organs in the territory. Even THEN, he may be wrong, of course.   My earliest ancestors in Minnesota got there in 1856 (most came later), = and what I've read of THEIR memoirs makes the place pretty primitive indeed in the 50s. In the rural areas, anyway.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Youth for Organs! From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:02:58 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Panning" <jpanning@cal-net.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Youth for Organs!       > There were many pipe organs in southern Minnesota by the 1890s, > chiefly in Lutheran and Roman churches. New Ulm, only 75 miles from > Hauges Church, even had an organbuilder. , which > built organs primarily for Minnesota clients, nevertheless sent > instruments as far east as Ohio and west to Idaho. > > Unfortunately, recent news about many of these organs is not positive.   Vogelpohl & Spaeth   I ran across one while playing for a wedding in a Lutheran Church just outside of Maple Lake, Minnesota. It was a very nice, 2 manual tracker = organ of about 15 stops. There is also one in a Lutheran Church in Ackley, Iowa, that has been restored.    
(back) Subject: Philadelphia Cathedral From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:18:59 EDT   Hey Gang, I just returned from playing at my temple in Trenton, which is =   home to a wonderful IV/30 1935 Pilcher, and I also saw the new Cathedral = in Philly yesterday. The Cathedral was once the Church of Our Savior. The Cathedral is located by Drexel and UPenn off of Market St. It was a = GORGEOUS Victorian building, but it has been totally redone due to its past = condition. The new room is progressive and very retro. I love the lighting and the = mood created in the room. The organ WAS a wonderful tubby Austin Opus 73 from 1909, but it was messed with during the 1970s. Currently, the organ is in decent condition. It will be played by Ann Elise Smoot for the convention. =   Some digital has been added in the gallery with the console, and it does = NOT blend well at all. The present organist, a Westminster Grad student, is interested in a historic restoration, including making the old gallery divisions play. The spec is interesting, but some history on the organ = would be great if anyone knows of it!   Thanks, Pete Isherwood  
(back) Subject: Jan Girardot Mother of all organ Lists From: "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:10:07 +0930     Has anyone got the URL for this list, please?   Also, does anyone know anything about an Allen Theatre organ model 417, = and when it was built?   Ian.    
(back) Subject: Re: Jan Girardot Mother of all organ Lists From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:02:08 -0400   On 6/15/02 5:40 PM, "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au> wrote:   > > Has anyone got the URL for this list, please?   I looked in google, and came up with www.uua.org website, which may or may not be the right guy. If you're talking about the railroad fan, it's a different one (I think) also at google. > > Also, does anyone know anything about an Allen Theatre organ model 417, = and > when it was built? > > Ian. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: digital voices and voicers(REPLY: LONG) From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:32:30 +1200   I presume you mean St Mary Redcliffe not Radcliff? If you do indeed mean Redcliffe, the church Q.E.I described as having the fairest and goodliest nave in England, then that organ is a blunderbuss of an old Harrison & Harrison, not exactly everyone's tonal idea. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Icedad@aol.com <Icedad@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, June 16, 2002 1:06 AM Subject: Re: digital voices and voicers(REPLY: LONG)     Dear Wayne,   I feel people are being unfair in their "dissing' of digital instruments. I was one of these people for many years. I would NEVER have = an "electronic gizmo" in my church. But, the day came to replace our organ = and we did not have the budget for a new pipe organ. The cost would have been = a staggering $1.2 million for a new pipe organ. We simply could not afford that large expense. We have a large sanctuary that seats over 1,200 people who pray reverently and sing beautifully. Our organ committee and I researched, played and listened to many organ installations for over a year. We heard many pipe as well as = digital organs in the southeastern USA. You name it , we heard and played it. Many outstanding pipe/digital organs by Allen, Reuter, Rodgers Wicks and Zimmer were also played and listened to. We finally decided on a pipe/digital combination by Allen with = the pipework done by Lauck Pipe Organ Company of Ostego, MI. Lauck is a small company that produces the most awesome sounding = organs. We heard Alan Morrison play the Dedicatory Recital on an Allen/Lauck installation at First Presbyterian in Orlando, Fl. The organ is STUNNING and the sound breath- taking. Alan = Morrison was technically perfect and his musicianship and artistry superb. Once we heard this organ we knew we had made the right decision to go with Allen/Lauck. We now have a custom Allen Renaissance 80 stop pipe/digital installation in our sanctuary. It is absolutely remarkable. I have Cavaille-Coll , Casavant, Schlicker, Skinner , St. Mary's, Radcliff, England. samples that make the organ sound like a "million" bucks. The pipe sound is marvelous including the pipe nuances that we = all listen for with bated breath . I have played many pipe organs that do not sound as good as our Allen Renaissance. Our pipe ranks include: Principal 8', Octave 4', Fifteenth 2', Harmonic Flute 8' and Processional Trumpet in the rear of the church under the high stained glass window. I have been spending 5-6 hours a day practicing on our new installation. Like being back in grad school... LOL The console is a custom 3 manual drawknob with bone keys and walnut sharps. This organ is a thrill to play. I can play organ literature from Bach to Langlais to Widor.... Thanks for listening to me. Enjoy!!   Sincerely,   Daniel Weimer Port Orange, Fl.    
(back) Subject: Re: digital voices and voicers(REPLY: LONG) From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:22:30 EDT     --part1_156.f681d65.2a3d2636_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Ross,     Yes, I meant St. Mary's Redcliffe. A slip of the typing. Thank you for recognizing my mistake.   Sincerely,   Daniel   --part1_156.f681d65.2a3d2636_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3>Dear Ross, <BR> <BR> <BR> Yes, I meant St. Mary's Redcliffe. A slip of the typing. Thank you for = recognizing my mistake.<BR> <BR> Sincerely,<BR> <BR> Daniel</FONT></HTML>   --part1_156.f681d65.2a3d2636_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: digital voices and voicers(REPLY: LONG) From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:30:47 EDT     --part1_5a.cfafa55.2a3d2827_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Ross, The pipe samples we have of the St. Mary's, Redcliffe are very good =   sounding. They are included in a wonderful sounding English Swell. = Division. Perhaps we have the best of the lot?? LOL   Thanks,   Daniel   --part1_5a.cfafa55.2a3d2827_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3>Dear Ross,<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The pipe samples we have of the St. = Mary's, Redcliffe are very good sounding. They are included in a wonderful = sounding English Swell. Division. Perhaps we have the best of the lot?? = LOL <BR> <BR> Thanks,<BR> <BR> Daniel</FONT></HTML>   --part1_5a.cfafa55.2a3d2827_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Jan Girardot Mother of all organ Lists From: "REIngraham" <reingraham@stratos.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:33:44 -0400   Hi all, The Allen ADC 417 was built in the mid late 70's. I have a ADC 432 which was the next step up. It is a theatre style organ. I could give you the stop list for the 431 if you want. Let me know. Dick Ingraham   ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Cc: <EORG-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 5:40 PM Subject: Jan Girardot Mother of all organ Lists     > > Has anyone got the URL for this list, please? > > Also, does anyone know anything about an Allen Theatre organ model 417, and > when it was built? > > Ian. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Jan Girardot Mother of all organ Lists From: "REIngraham" <reingraham@stratos.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:33:44 -0400   Hi all, The Allen ADC 417 was built in the mid late 70's. I have a ADC 432 which was the next step up. It is a theatre style organ. I could give you the stop list for the 431 if you want. Let me know. Dick Ingraham   ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Cc: <EORG-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 5:40 PM Subject: Jan Girardot Mother of all organ Lists     > > Has anyone got the URL for this list, please? > > Also, does anyone know anything about an Allen Theatre organ model 417, and > when it was built? > > Ian. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Jan Girardot From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:43:53 -0400   The mother of all organs lists is located at the following URL:   http://www.lizardweb.com/organ.html   You will see the link to the list on the upper left when you get to the site which just happens to be "The Organ Grinders Tech Site".   It turns out to be a huge list of electronic organs in a PDF. file compiled by Jan, and you will need the Adobe Acrobat Reader to download it.   I apologize for misunderstanding the original purpose of the question posed by pat and ian <patian@senet.com.au>, and hope this helps in a more correct manner.   Mike