PipeChat Digest #2912 - Monday, June 17, 2002
 
Digital creativity
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Re: Dissing Digital Organs
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re: Youth for Organs!
  by "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net>
music list
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Digital creativity
  by "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
MR. MARTIN WICK (X POST)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
RE: Philadelphia landmarks
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
re: MR. MARTIN WICK
  by <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Dr. Hall Tours the UK:  part one (LONG)
  by "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com>
Re: Dr. Hall Tours the UK:  part one (LONG)
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Digital fidelity
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Tragedy at Wicks
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Tragedy at Wicks
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Digital creativity
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: music list
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Digital creativity
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Digital creativity From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:16:10 +0100   Hello,   It's funny how, in recent years, the digital organ seems to have gained = a certain respectability even among opponents....little wonder that = organ builders are worried.   However, apart from "aping" the sound of the pipe organ with varying = degrees of success, what NEW sounds have emerged from the digital organ = world?   It seems to me that whenever a new METHOD has been established, organ = builders have been eager to create new sounds.......Harmonic Stops, Free = Reeds, keen String Tone, smooth heavy pressure reeds....even Bird = Whistles.   I confess to liking a great deal of pop music (and loathing much of it). = I am always fascinated by some of the sounds which emerge.....they can = be so creative. (I suppose that's ME relegated to the musical dustbin, = trash bin, garbage bag.....one has to be so ecclectic on the = net...."rubbished by any other word").   Anyway, there I was listening to a superb arrangement of "Somewhere over = the Rainbow" sung by Barbara Streisend (Sp?)....the digital effects are = extremely interesting. I scratched my head and thought, "Which organ = builder has created electronic sounds?"   All I could come up with was John Compton and the Melotone units fitted = to his cinema organs.   Then the thought process ran riot as I contemplated music for organ & = brass, organ & guitar, organ & recorder, organ & strings, organ & = orchestra, the Flor Peeters Concerto for Organ & Piano.....and that = delightful LP disc made by E Power Biggs many years ago, in which he = combined organ (Harvard Flentrop) with bells, percussion etc etc.   So, using their ears and musical instincts as a guide, why aren't we = hearing new and interesting sounds from digital organs? What has = happened to the creativity we once admired from the stables of such = builders as Gabler (Weingarten), Willis, Skinner, Compton, = Wurlitzer....perhaps most importantly, the name of Cavaille-Coll?   There is a whole new musical universe waiting to be discovered. We could = even give them colourful names such as "Starburst Mixture", "Cosmic = Flute" "Phase Shift Shuffleflote", "Wow Wow Celeste", "Banshee Trompette" or = "Freak Shriek".....the latter for the Baroque enthusiasts!   Send your ideas in an e-mail to Cheryl Hart!!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     -----Original Message----- From: "Wayne Grauel" <wayne@eminent-usa.com>     I was only giving an Amen to the previous post, who in so many words was saying, the Digital has come a long way, and that the true future success of the digital organ will rely on the skills and EARS of the person who sets out to voice the organ  
(back) Subject: Re: Dissing Digital Organs From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 06:22:04 EDT     --part1_1a3.3cf8603.2a3dc0cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Wayne,   My apologies if you thought my response was to your e-mail = concerning digital instruments. I was referring to many previous listings "dissing" digital instruments. You listing was in support of digital instruments. = Sorry about the confusion.   Sincerely,   Daniel   --part1_1a3.3cf8603.2a3dc0cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3>Dear Wayne,<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; My apologies if you thought my = response was to your e-mail concerning digital instruments. I was = referring to many previous listings "dissing" digital instruments. You = listing was in support of digital instruments. Sorry about the = confusion.<BR> <BR> Sincerely,<BR> <BR> Daniel</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1a3.3cf8603.2a3dc0cc_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Youth for Organs! From: "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:15:03 -0500   Very interesting!!!! Care to share the spec. and other details of your future organ???   Thanks! Paul     Richard Jordan wrote: > > actually the news it not so bad, that organ went back east > to be restored and used - our church was looking at getting it > but we were too late - however than isn't so bad as > we'll be getting another Vogelpuhl > which will be restored by a builder who was Vogelpuhl's last apprentice. > and we'll be able to retire a 50's Hammond A > [which is looking for a home] > > Regards, > Richard Jordan  
(back) Subject: music list From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:12:54 -0400   Sunday, June 16, 2002; 8:00 & 10:30 a.m. Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio   Prelude: Trio in E-flat Johann Ludwig Krebs Provessional Hymn: Praise to the Father - Flemming Setting: Lutheran Book of Worship, setting 2 vocal solos : "De Gospel Train" Harry T. Burleigh "Every Time I Feel the Spirit" Harry T. Burleigh Dick Ruby, baritone Sermon Hymn: Lord, Speak to us, that We May Speak - Canonbury Offering Voluntary: Dreams Hugh McAmis Communion Hymn: Grains of Wheat - Una espiga Music during Communion: Cromorne en taille, Nicolas Lebegue; I Love Thy Church, O Lord & The Church's One Foundation, Flor Peeters Recessional Hymn: O Zion, Haste - Angelic Songs Postude: Te Deum Jean Langlais       Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Digital creativity From: "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:16:22 +0100   At last; a creative thought ! Pity that there is so much investment in reproduction music rather than creative music. It's like (good) new design; it looks amazing, and then, at the end, of = the day, we wonder if we could cuddle-up in it and be comfortable. It's the = 'old pullover' we never want to throw away. I'm even looking at a SAAB - looks and performance; but will it be COMFORTABLE ?   I played 'Shine Jesus, shine' for a young(er than usual) congregation the other day; using a keyboard normally in Dance & Disco use; patched through the PA in the roof ...... with Distorted Guitar lead and a Rock accompaniment in the style of 'The BOSS' ......... but took the = precaution in a note to the choir of asking them to refrain from 'air-guitar' during the Coda. Went down better than a Led Zeppelin !   We need to experiment in order to get even one thing right. What else are = we going to pass down to succeeding generations (so that they too will = succeed) ?   Harry Grove St. Leonard, Clent, Worcs. GB     -----Original Message----- From: cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 16 June 2002 09:52 Subject: Digital creativity     [Edited]   However, apart from "aping" the sound of the pipe organ with varying = degrees of success, what NEW sounds have emerged from the digital organ world?   There is a whole new musical universe waiting to be discovered. We could even give them colourful names such as "Starburst Mixture", "Cosmic Flute" "Phase Shift Shuffleflote", "Wow Wow Celeste", "Banshee Trompette" or = "Freak Shriek".....the latter for the Baroque enthusiasts!        
(back) Subject: MR. MARTIN WICK (X POST) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:08:38 EDT   Hello friends and colleagues   I was told that Martin Wick was in an accident of some sort. Can anyone = give any information on this? I have met him many times when visiting the Highland, IL factory and know how much he has done for the company through =   the years.   Thanks. Scott Foppiano  
(back) Subject: RE: Philadelphia landmarks From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:44:41 -0400   Could it be the civic auditorium, near the river and the U. of Pa. campus?   I have never been in that building or heard its organ, but it is or was a large one. The fate of the organ, if not the whole building, is far from assured.      
(back) Subject: re: MR. MARTIN WICK From: <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:42:21 -0500   As reported on other Lists, the Wicks Organ Co. Website contains the following sad news today:     >Dear Friends: >I regret to inform you that a very tragic event happened today which took =   >the life of my father Martin Wick. Dad was pulling a large tree branch = out >of a tree with his tractor and the branch fell on him. He was taken to = the >hospital, but the injuries were too severe. He died instantly and did not =   >suffer. Our family is in shock and would appreciate your prayers. >The funeral service will be this week possibly Wednesday with visitation >Tuesday evening. He loved working in the yard, trimming trees and mowing >the grass. We all loved him very much. >Wicks Vice-President >Scott Wick     Tim Bovard Pipechat Co-Admin <admin@pipechat.org> <tmbovard@earthlink.net>    
(back) Subject: Dr. Hall Tours the UK: part one (LONG) From: "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:12:43 -0700 (PDT)   Dr. Hall=92s Tour of the United Kingdom, in the Year of Grace 2002.       Day 1. Dr. Hall Arrives in England and Immediately Goes to Scotland     I arrived at Heathrow at a little after 5 in the morning on June 2. According to my body, it was just midnight in New York, and I was *really* ready for bed. I got thru customs and onto the Tube and over to the Domestic terminal, in time to check in via a total madhouse thanks to a computer crash. Eventually I got on the plane and was off to Edinburgh.   I arrived at 10 AM and was met by Jane Nieminska, Simon Nieminski=92s wife. We reached Saint Mary=92s Cathedral in time for the Sequence Hymn, and stayed for the rest of Mass, receiving Communion at the high altar. Saint Mary=92s looks and feels like a medieval Gothic cathedral, but it was built in 1879=97the same year that Saint Patrick=92s, New York, was dedicated.   St. Mary=92s is home to an 1879 Father Willis organ, of four manuals=97the exact specifications can be seen on Simon=92s website, www.nieminski.com. The instrument is a masterpiece, from its rich and potent choruses right down to the opulently large, fat, ivory thumb pistons that go ka-CHUNK when you hit them. The choir rehearsal room also has a Willis, and incredible murals on the walls besides.   Mass over, we went to the Nieminski residence=97an easy walk from the Cathedral=97and had a traditional Scottish lasagna for Sunday dinner. :)   I napped for fifty minutes, and woke up feeling like crap, or as they say in Scotland, crrrrrap. I staggered over to Evensong, which was sung by the boys only--the lay-clerks were off that evening. Still, it was a lovely, prayerful service, and I enjoyed my first British evensong very much! After this, Simon and Jane and I went to a restaurant that specialized in =93high=94 traditional Scottish = cooking=97=93oat cuisine,=94 if you=92ll pardon the awful pun. Simon, who is a man after = my own heart, ordered us all gin before we=92d even sat down, hurrah!   My appetizer was frilly bits of haggis en croute in a sweet and sour sauce, and my entree was a highland lamb (well, part of one) over tiny roasted potatoes and onions. A rich, simple, old-fashioned dish, exactly what I most like to eat. For dessert, I think I had some appallingly rich thing=97can=92t even remember now, I was so tired! And = we talked and got to know each other. The Nieminskis are absolutely wonderful people.   We agreed to visit HMY Britannia the next day. This yacht, which I=92d seen on TV countless times, was now decommissioned and served as a museum in Edinburgh.     Day 2: Dr. Hall Pushes a Car, Visits the Royal Yacht, and Eats a Haggis     The next morning we set off in Simon=92s vintage Mercedes. Not five minutes into the journey, something went =93pow=94 and the car went dead. In a no-parking zone. Two Traffic Wardens=97what in Boston are called Meter Maids, only male=97immediately pointed out that he had broken down in a Permit Only Zone and we=92d have to push the Merc into a legal spot. I found myself pushing an ENORMOUS car uphill in the rain alongside a Scottish policeman...I put on my best American Ingenue act and said =93Oh, my, and this is my VERY first morning in Scotland!=94 The cop said something like =93Oh, aye,=94 and they decided not to ticket us.   So Jane and I walked home and got her car, and went off to the Britannia.   The line=97or queue=97was long but moved quickly, and there were jazz = band, magician, and free candies (=93sweeties=94) to ease the wait. I was = deeply moved to be on board such a famous boat, whose grand staircase and dining room I instantly recognized. And I was DELIGHTED, quite honestly, that I have now been on the Britannia and Bush-The-Lesser HASN=92T!   After the yacht, we rejoined Simon. We went to a huge chippy, or fish-n-chips restaurant, and they ordered fish and chips, but I asked the waiter if the haggis were good, and he said =93Aye, it=92s grrrrrrrreat!=94 so I got one. It came to the table DEEP FRIED and Burns=92 poem =93To A Haggis=94 was ceremonially wrapped round the fork. = And as I picked my way through the ground-up viscera of a former Highland sheep, and drank my tea, I felt extremely happy to be in the land of one of my grandparents. (My father=92s mother was named Virginia MacFadyen. The tartan is Maclane of Lochbuie. I=92d wear it, but it makes me look like a Thermos.)   Later on, after rehearsal, Simon and I watched the fabulous fireworks at Buckingham Palace on a TV in a pub.   Day 3: The Recital   To make a long story short. The recital came off very well on June 4. There was a respectably-sized audience and they enjoyed themselves very much. Simon Nieminski is an *excellent* organist and you should hear him play! He has two CDs out, both of which I enjoy very much, and both of which are made on American organs.   I opened the second half with the Calvin Hampton =93Toccata=94 and then narrated the =93King of Instruments=94 by Albright. Simon and I then duetted=97a wonderful American Victorian set of variations on =93Auld Lang Syne=94 and then for encore the Chenaults=92 rendition of =93Stars and Stripes Forever.=94 Considering all the manual changes, piston pushing, and whatnot, we were reaching over each other like dinner at a boarding house=97and we got thru very well=97no mid-air collisions!     Postscript: Dr. Hall Drinks a Purple Nasty And Much Else Besides   After the recital, of course, we went to a local pub. There I proceeded to drink with a congenial group of lay-clerks. After the prelminary niceties of lager beer, we settled into cheap Scotch=97the local version of Old Overholt or Early Times, and called =93Te Beag=94 which is Gaelic for =93wee cottage.=94 It is pronounced Chay-VEK, but usually just called =93Tea-Bag.=94 It is a rabble-rouser of a Scotch, let me tell you.   After this, one of the lay-clerks set a perfectly awful looking pint of something in front of me. It was a bruise-colored carbonated drink. =93What is it?=94 I asked. =93A Purple Nasty, and they=92re illegal in England,=94 was the encouraging reply. I tasted it, and it was indeed nasty. Quite nasty. It turned out to be half hard cider, half lager beer, and a shot of blackcurrant cordial, hence the name.   If I hadn=92t already had hair on my chest, this would=92ve done it. And they really are illegal south of the border. I finished it, said =93Glurk,=94 and we all went home.   Nest installment: Dr. Hall Flies to London and Mispronounces = =93Holborn=94     --fin--       __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Dr. Hall Tours the UK: part one (LONG) From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:44:46 -0400   On 6/16/02 7:12 PM, "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> wrote:   > Jon:   Very much enjoyed your report, and look forward to more!   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: Digital fidelity From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 01:57:47 +0100   Hello,   In the "other place", there was an interesting posting concerning = digital organs. It was to the effect that, the more stops were added, = the less convincing was the simyulation.   Although my last posting or two have been "tongue in cheek" to some = extent, I once set up an interesting experiment.   I have a very good Nicrophone/Mixer/DAT recorder set-up. Thrusting the = microphone amidst the pipework, I recorded very close-up and recorded = the various sounds of the instrument. I then replayed the processed = signal through a good amplifier/speaker set-up.....the result ws 90% = convincing, but I was a bit short of amplifier power and a good = multi-speaker system.   However, there was no mistaking the quality of the sound and the = authenticity of the processed signal.   Now, it seems to me that a DAT recorder, having grabbed the analogue = signal, then converts this to digital. On the replay mode, the signal is = once more converted to analogue from the digital tape signal.   Apart from obvious colouration from speakers not really designed to = perform the task in hand, and not really able to "move air" like the = real thing, the overall effect was certainly convicing.....it was quite = clearly "organ" tone rather than "digital organ" tone, without any = "confusing" Mixture sounds.   Surely, this is absolute proof that the problem we face with digital = organs has little to do with the hardware. The problem is surely one of = programming?   Please shoot me down in flames if I am missing a vital point here.....I = do not know a great deal about digital musical synthesis, but my ears = tell me that it IS POSSIBLE to create digital signals and have them = reproduce excellent organ tone.   So what are the hurdles and why are digital organs quite obvioulsy so?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       However, apart from "aping" the sound of the pipe organ with varying = degrees of success, what NEW sounds have emerged from the digital organ world?   There is a whole new musical universe waiting to be discovered. We could even give them colourful names such as "Starburst Mixture", "Cosmic = Flute" "Phase Shift Shuffleflote", "Wow Wow Celeste", "Banshee Trompette" or = "Freak Shriek".....the latter for the Baroque enthusiasts!         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Tragedy at Wicks From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:00:43 -0500   The following notice appeared today on the Wicks Organ website. You may wish to say a prayer for the family in their loss.   Dennis Steckley "For I am possessed of a cat, surpassing in beauty, from whom I take occasion to bless Almighty God."     The Wicks Organ Company website is dark today due to the death of Martin M. Wick, 60 year company president.     ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----   Dear Friends: I regret to inform you that a very tragic event happened today which took the life of my father Martin Wick. Dad was pulling a large tree = branch out of a tree with his tractor and the branch fell on him. He was taken to the hospital, but the injuries were too severe. He died instantly and did not suffer. Our family is in shock and would appreciate your prayers. The funeral service will be this week possibly Wednesday with visitation Tuesday evening. He loved working in the yard, trimming trees = and mowing the grass. We all loved him very much. Wicks Vice-President Scott Wick    
(back) Subject: Re: Tragedy at Wicks From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:15:55 EDT   > I regret to inform you that a very tragic event happened today which took the life of my father Martin Wick. Dad was pulling a large tree = branch out of a tree with his tractor and the branch fell on him. He was taken to the hospital, but the injuries were too severe. He died instantly and did not suffer. Our family is in shock and would appreciate your prayers. <<   Although I never had the honor to personally meet Martin Wick, we had = several telephone conversations in the late 1980s discussing my potential = employment with the company. He was most congenial and gracious in all of our conversations. My prayers and condolences are extended to his family, many friends, and = all of the loyal employees that will miss his presence and leadership.   Jim Pitts  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital creativity From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 01:25:16 EDT     --part1_165.ed6c7cb.2a3eccbc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   How about "Cotton Candy Celeste" Lee   --part1_165.ed6c7cb.2a3eccbc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>How about "Cotton Candy = Celeste" &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_165.ed6c7cb.2a3eccbc_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: music list From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 01:44:07 EDT     --part1_196.8709fbe.2a3ed127_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   It is interesting to me that the music of various denominations are so similar, even though the services are different. We use the same = traditional hymns, but we also add some Contemporary Christian Music (choruses in good =   taste). We especially like the music by Graham Kerrick and Dennis = Jernigan. We have also done the choruses by Twila Paris and Cindy Berry. Our Music Director was pressure into using contemporary choruses, and is very particular about what he uses. We do have a "praise and worship" band, = but it plays only one Sunday night a month, and I get to take that night off. = I did go to the service tonight when it played, as I was asked to play the Postlude. I did a Bach Prelude and Fugue to balance it all out. People actually stayed and listened. Lee Holcomb, Organist, College Heights = Baptist Church, Chickasha, OK.   --part1_196.8709fbe.2a3ed127_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>It is interesting to me = that the music of various denominations are so similar, even though the = services are different. &nbsp;We use the same traditional hymns, but we = also add some Contemporary Christian Music (choruses in good taste). = &nbsp;We especially like the music by Graham Kerrick and Dennis Jernigan. = &nbsp;We have also done the choruses by Twila Paris and Cindy Berry. = &nbsp;Our Music Director was pressure into using contemporary choruses, = and is very particular about what he uses. &nbsp;We do have a "praise and = worship" band, but it plays only one Sunday night a month, and I get to = take that night off. &nbsp;I did go to the service tonight when it played, = as I was asked to play the Postlude. &nbsp;I did a Bach Prelude and Fugue = to balance it all out. &nbsp;People actually stayed and listened. = &nbsp;Lee Holcomb, Organist, College Heights Baptist Church, Chickasha, = OK.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_196.8709fbe.2a3ed127_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital creativity From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 01:46:39 EDT     --part1_11b.1234e030.2a3ed1bf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   "Shine, Jesus, Shine" is one of the favorites of the new hymns in our church, and is even in our hymn book (the one with 666 hymns). We are = going to change to the Celebration Hymnal soon. Lee   --part1_11b.1234e030.2a3ed1bf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>"Shine, Jesus, Shine" = is one of the favorites of the new hymns &nbsp;in our church, and is even = in our hymn book (the one with 666 hymns). &nbsp;We are going to change to = the Celebration Hymnal soon. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_11b.1234e030.2a3ed1bf_boundary--