PipeChat Digest #2927 - Friday, June 21, 2002
 
Re: Gress-Miles
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
Re: Mollers
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: The One-Manual Market
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Organ: St. Catherine's Ch., Honfleur, France
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: Gress-Miles
  by "yfd wfd" <yfd4@hotmail.com>
Re: go east?
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Is it pipes vs.digital....not really.
  by "Nick Grbac" <NickGTV@webtv.net>
Pedalboard compass
  by "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Gress-Miles From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:05:45 -0700 (PDT)   Dear Bob:   Did I understand you correctly when you said "I played this organ"? Did you mean Christ Church, Bronxville or St. Mark's, Beaumont?   If it was Christ Church, Bronxville, did that organ have a G. Donald Harrison signature name plate like the organs in Kilgore and Longview?   I met and visited with Robert Owen many years ago in Kilgore at Roy Perry's house.   D. Keith Morgan --- r_ehrh <r_ehrh@bellsouth.net> wrote: > This organ was originally Aeolian-Skinner Opus 1082 > and featured the divided > Swell at that time. This was also done on Opus 1391 > in St. Mark's Episcopal > Church, Beaumont, TX. I have played this organ and > found this most > effective. There is also a two-manual Schantz here > in Broadmoor Presbyterian > with a divided Swell which is very flexible. > > Robert Ehrhardt > Noel Memorial UMC > Shreveport, LA > http://www.zimbel.com/ehrhardt.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 8:25 PM > Subject: Re: Gress-Miles > > > > > > > > Ross & Lynda Wards wrote: > > > > > > Just yesterday I spent a whopping and outrageous > one dollar in a 1963 lp > > > recording of Robert Owen playing big works on > the Gress-Miles organ in > > > Christ Church, Bronxville, New York. The organ > is a 3-manual & Pedal of > five > > > divisions and 68rks, 3877 pipes (that's how the > record jacket describes > it > > > and then gives the specification). > > > Is Gress-Miles regarded as a good firm? > > > Is the firm still going? > > > Is this organ regarded as a good one? > > > Is it still the same or has it been altered? > > > When was it built? > > > > > > For what it's worth, judging only from the > record, it seems pretty heavy > and > > > overly "masculine", if that's the right word, > possibly too big for the > > > building it's in. I wonder how four manual > divisions on three manuals > works > > > out in practice, this one having Great, Positiv, > Swell I and Swell II. > > > > > > Ross > > > > > > > I think (mercifully) they no longer exist. > > > > My limited experience with them: the STRINGS would > part your HAIR, and > > they went UP from THERE (grin). > > > > The divided Swell business IS useful in organs > that don't have enclosed > > Choir organs, PROVIDED the two Swell divisions > couple independently. > > > > The (Los Angeles) Johnson Organ Co / Gillette > Aeolian-Skinner / unknown > > consortium organ in St. Paul's Episcopal Cathedral > in San Diego > > California has such an arrangement, which is a > blessing ... the newer > > unenclosed work takes after Gress-Miles, above > (chuckle) ... the Canon > > Liturgist used to wear EAR PLUGS when he had to > sing the High Mass. I > > think at last count there were THREE batteries of > unenclosed reeds. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bud > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Mollers From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:54:56 -0400   The 2003 OHS convention will include a 1904 Moeller that is in constant = use and excellent condition in Freeburg PA.   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA  
(back) Subject: Re: The One-Manual Market From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:59:08 -0400   As per an earlier comment: I think having the stops available on each of two manuals begins to address many of the "limitations" of a one-manual organ. Karl E. Moyer   > From: TubaMagna@aol.com > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:46:13 EDT > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: The One-Manual Market > > The market for one-manual pipe organs is limited, simply because it is a > creature that will not play MOST of the literature that attracts people = to > the pipe organ in the first place. > I'm not even going to try to come up with an analogy here, like a family > of four trying to get by with a motorcycle. The fact remains that what > attracts people to a pipe organ is literature that is conceived for more = than > one manual. > If a congregation is going to invest in a pipe organ, and they have > raised enough money for an efficient one-manual instrument, a good pipe = organ > builder will encourage them to raise just a bit more and get themselves = the > extra one or two stops and the second keyboard. > We all know the laundry list of arguments for one-manual instruments. We > are all aware of the body of literature for one manual. We all know that = a > one-manual pipe organ can and will support hymn singing. But the list of > things that a single-keyboard pipe organ CANNOT do is longer than what = it CAN > do. Once you've paid for the mechanical infrastructure of the = instrument, the > price per stop decreases as one adds. The cost/benefit analysis points = toward > going for the second manual. Some consultants might question the = abilities > and intentions of an organist who INSISTS on a one-manual instrument = when two > are possible. > Will a one-manual pipe organ help or hurt the cause? > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Organ: St. Catherine's Ch., Honfleur, France From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:01:21 -0400   Dear Listers,   Another question in response to the 40th-anniversary-gift river-boat = boat trip up the seine to Paris which my wife and I enjoyed in early June:   The tour began at Honfleur, old town near the mouth of the Seine which was not damaged in W. W. II. We visited St. Catherine's Church there, and = I found a 1770's Lefebvre, revised by Mutin in 1880 and with further work in 1979 by Gonzalez. As a first experience in hearing/playing a French = organ, it was especially exciting. It seemed to be largely in the 19th-century French romantic manner, though the newer console even included memories, etc.   I had no time to write down the stop list when the word fell that we = had to leave immediately, and I've not succeeded in finding anything about the church or organ on line. Would anyone be able to tell me about this instrument, including perhaps the stop list?   The tone was amazingly warm and beautiful, and I've wondered if that = were because the entire church is made of wood, including heavy timbers, all built by ship--builders who constructed the roof/ceiling much like the bottom of a ship. A medical doctor on the trip who listens weekly to "Pipedreams" and has a pretty keen ear for organ tone was especially interested and excited by the tone.   Thanks for whatever anyone can tell me.   Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA  
(back) Subject: Re: Gress-Miles From: "yfd wfd" <yfd4@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 03:52:21 +0000   <html><div style=3D'background-color:'><DIV> <P>tom oliphint was organist at st marks episcopal beaumont when aw yates = was curator across the street at 1st methodist . both a-s organs ...st = amrk and 1st methodist a-s 's received additions and revisions from j = hendriksen in the 1980s which were arranged by me....steve bournias warren = ohio...including a pair of 49 scale 2/7mouth viola pomposas at 1st = methodist according to my specs<BR><BR></P></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: douglas morgan <DKMORGAN76209@YAHOO.COM> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: "PipeChat" <PIPECHAT@PIPECHAT.ORG> <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: PipeChat <PIPECHAT@PIPECHAT.ORG> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: Re: Gress-Miles <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:05:45 -0700 (PDT) <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Dear Bob: <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Did I understand you correctly when you said "I played <DIV></DIV>&gt;this organ"? Did you mean Christ Church, Bronxville <DIV></DIV>&gt;or St. Mark's, Beaumont? <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;If it was Christ Church, Bronxville, did that organ <DIV></DIV>&gt;have a G. Donald Harrison signature name plate like <DIV></DIV>&gt;the organs in Kilgore and Longview? <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;I met and visited with Robert Owen many years ago in <DIV></DIV>&gt;Kilgore at Roy Perry's house. <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;D. Keith Morgan <DIV></DIV>&gt;--- r_ehrh <R_EHRH@BELLSOUTH.NET>wrote: <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; This organ was originally Aeolian-Skinner Opus 1082 <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; and featured the divided <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Swell at that time. This was also done on Opus 1391 <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; in St. Mark's Episcopal <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Church, Beaumont, TX. I have played this organ and <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; found this most <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; effective. There is also a two-manual Schantz here <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; in Broadmoor Presbyterian <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; with a divided Swell which is very flexible. <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Robert Ehrhardt <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Noel Memorial UMC <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Shreveport, LA <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; http://www.zimbel.com/ehrhardt.html <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; ----- Original Message ----- <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; From: <QUILISMA@SOCAL.RR.COM> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; To: "PipeChat" <PIPECHAT@PIPECHAT.ORG> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 8:25 PM <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Gress-Miles <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Ross &amp; Lynda Wards wrote: <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Just yesterday I spent a whopping and = outrageous <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; one dollar in a 1963 lp <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; recording of Robert Owen playing big works = on <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; the Gress-Miles organ in <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Christ Church, Bronxville, New York. The = organ <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; is a 3-manual &amp; Pedal of <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; five <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; divisions and 68rks, 3877 pipes (that's how = the <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; record jacket describes <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; it <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and then gives the specification). <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Is Gress-Miles regarded as a good firm? <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Is the firm still going? <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Is this organ regarded as a good one? <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Is it still the same or has it been = altered? <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; When was it built? <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; For what it's worth, judging only from the <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; record, it seems pretty heavy <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; and <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; overly "masculine", if that's the right = word, <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; possibly too big for the <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; building it's in. I wonder how four manual <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; divisions on three manuals <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; works <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; out in practice, this one having Great, = Positiv, <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Swell I and Swell II. <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ross <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; I think (mercifully) they no longer exist. <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; My limited experience with them: the STRINGS = would <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; part your HAIR, and <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; they went UP from THERE (grin). <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; The divided Swell business IS useful in organs <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; that don't have enclosed <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Choir organs, PROVIDED the two Swell divisions <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; couple independently. <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; The (Los Angeles) Johnson Organ Co / Gillette <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Aeolian-Skinner / unknown <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; consortium organ in St. Paul's Episcopal = Cathedral <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; in San Diego <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; California has such an arrangement, which is a <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; blessing ... the newer <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; unenclosed work takes after Gress-Miles, above <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; (chuckle) ... the Canon <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Liturgist used to wear EAR PLUGS when he had to <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; sing the High Mass. I <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; think at last count there were THREE batteries = of <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; unenclosed reeds. <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Cheers, <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Bud <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; organs &amp; related topics <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Subscribe/Unsubscribe: <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; mailto:requests@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; organs &amp; related topics <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;__________________________________________________ <DIV></DIV>&gt;Do You Yahoo!? <DIV></DIV>&gt;Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup <DIV></DIV>&gt;http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" <DIV></DIV>&gt;PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; = related topics <DIV></DIV>&gt;HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt;List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt;Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=3Dall><hr>Join the world=92s largest e-mail = service with MSN Hotmail. <a href=3D'http://g.msn.com/1HM505401/47'>Click = Here</a><br></html>  
(back) Subject: Re: go east? From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 01:17:10 EDT     --part1_ea.296aefa5.2a4410d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   OK. Maybe God will send me south. But for now, I am content. (and am = even dating the father of the pianist). Lee   --part1_ea.296aefa5.2a4410d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>OK. &nbsp;Maybe God = will send me south. &nbsp;But for now, I am content. &nbsp;(and am even = dating the father of the pianist). Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ea.296aefa5.2a4410d6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Is it pipes vs.digital....not really. From: "Nick Grbac" <NickGTV@webtv.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:19:44 -0700 (PDT)   Hello:   I feel like some are missing the point. Few would argue (especially if they subscribe to this list) that a pipe organ is a fine thing, and generally, GENERALLY should be a worthwhile goal. However, it seems unrealistic to say one should go with pipes, especially with the uneducated "Aunt Effie/Uncle Fester" volunteer caliber of player in a poor church/temple. I'd have to disagree.   Some say a one manual with few extras will force the "organist" to experiment to find out what sounds best--don't count on it. Chances are you'll hear all on or all off--that's been my experience. I'm not saying things would necessarily be better with an instrument with, say pistons, but whomever plays MIGHT have a fighting chance if someone else programs the generals.   Others have often mentioned the OCH for getting organs for their church. This can be a fine idea, but as I said in a post once before, circumstances have to be just right. Imagine you're a small church (100-350 people) with limited funds and resources. Now perhaps after raising money for a "new" organ, you don't quite have the resources to go get an organ from OCH, then what? Or you don't have a local pipe organ tech (or qualified, knowledgeable volunteers) to help in reassembling said organ. Bottom line: some churches have a finite amount of money, want organ music and can't really support lots of extras...."plug-and-play" (no pun intented!)   Looking at this pragmatically, as an organ committee member (gasp), would you be more inclined to go with a digital that's perhaps a few years old, that you know can get parts and perhaps warranteed service for, OR, in the case of OCH, buy the organ, then drive somewhere across the country, pack up the organ, truck it back, reassemble it, and possibly voice and tune it?   To me, the larger and more important issue is fighting for more organ MUSIC in churches (where frequently it is disappearing), NOT whether an organ was built by Moller or Allen.   NickGTV    
(back) Subject: Pedalboard compass From: "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:06:46 +0930     What published, or other, organ compositions require the top F# and the G = on a 32-note pedalboard?   If there aren't any, why do we need 32 notes on the pedalboard?   Ian.