PipeChat Digest #2737 - Wednesday, March 6, 2002
 
Re: Lutheran Book of Worship
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Lutheran Book of Worship
  by "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net>
Lutheran Book of Worship
  by "Weber, Richard" <rweber@aero.net>
Re: Lutheran Book of Worship
  by "Randy Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
MrMethane.com - Welcome To My Windy World!
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
Re: vinyl players
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Death of Ron Stalford
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
RE: vinyl players
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net>
Anglican or RC Fake Hymnal
  by "Ron Pearcy" <ronniep@clear.net.nz>
Re: Anglican or RC Fake Hymnal
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
fake books for Anglican and RC hymnals
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Anglican or RC Fake Hymnal
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Anglican or RC Fake Hymnal
  by "colin-hulme@bctalk.net" <colin-hulme@bctalk.net>
Re: Lutheran Book of Worship
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: Anglican or RC Fake Hymnal
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: 1/2 time job, Lancaster PA - (X-posted)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Anyone ever heard of Norvel Hall?
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Re: Lutheran Book of Worship
  by <MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com>
Re: chiming in
  by <MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com>
Re: Lutheran Book of Worship
  by <MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Lutheran Book of Worship From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:14:29 -0500   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Lutheran Book of Worship   Stan Yoder writes as one informed from having been in the trenches producing this book, and it really is very interesting to have his understanding of the impossibilities of it all. Somehow, for better or worse, the book is with us. He writes about an issue of great interest to me:   "There was also controversy over unison- vs. part-singing on hymns. Some cited Bonh=F6ffer's theological position that unison singing expressed the Church as the Body (singular) of Christ; but many members of Scandinavian background defended part-singing as traditional for them (I remember Lee Sateren getting quite worked up about it.) I guess the results are mixed in LBW."   It does have to be said that providing the harmony does not preclude singing in unison, which people can be asked to do, but it does not work the other way around. I am guessing that Lee Sateren, who sounds vaguely Scandinavian, was for keeping the harmonies available?   Stan also says: "As to the Bach chorale settings, I recall the "tune people" citing research that said harmonizations from his choral works did not extend to congregational use then."   I had always heard that as well, but even if unison singing of the great chorales was desired, I would far rather do it accompanied by the Bach harmonizations than a lot of what replaced them.   Thank you, Pipechat, for being so tolerant of this somewhat off topic stuff. I did mention "accompanied" just above, and we know what instrument does that. ORGAN.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com                  
(back) Subject: Re: Lutheran Book of Worship From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:26:43 -0500   Stan,   Who were the "tune people"?   I see that you mentioned Vaughan Williams. He is listed as a composer of hymn tunes, but not listed as being on the committee.   At the LC-MS church where I played, we just used the old hymnal's harmonizations for tunes and the new hymnal for the words.   We may as well have kept the old hymnal. The Pastor used the old service printed in a booklet.   Paul R. Swank   At 01:32 PM 3/6/02, you wrote: >The conflated roster of the various committees of the ILCW >(Inter-Lutheran Commission on Worship) >is found in LBW pew edition, pp.922-3. There were four committees: >Liturgical Texts, Liturgical >Music, Hymn Texts, Hymn Tunes.    
(back) Subject: Lutheran Book of Worship From: "Weber, Richard" <rweber@aero.net> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:09:45 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C1C518.91A1EDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Yes it was the designer of ghastly organs, Paul Bunjes who is =3D responsible for much of the unmusical "harmonizations" in LBW. He =3D asserted that Lutheran organists didn't practice enough, so HE would =3D make them. What I do is reharmonize them in Bach Choral style or use =3D the versions in the excellent Wisconsin Synod Lutheran Hymnal, Christian = =3D Worship, which can be had from Northwestern Publishing House, Milwaukee, = =3D Wisconsin. I strongly recommend the book.   Richard Weber   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C1C518.91A1EDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2712.300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Yes it was the designer of ghastly = =3D organs, Paul=3D20 Bunjes who is responsible for much of the unmusical "harmonizations" = in=3D20 LBW.&nbsp; He asserted that Lutheran organists didn't practice enough, =3D so HE=3D20 would make them.&nbsp; What I do is reharmonize them in Bach Choral =3D style or use=3D20 the versions in the excellent Wisconsin Synod Lutheran Hymnal, =3D <EM>Christian=3D20 Worship</EM>, which can be had from Northwestern Publishing House, =3D Milwaukee,=3D20 Wisconsin.&nbsp; I strongly recommend the book.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Richard =3D Weber</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C1C518.91A1EDC0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Lutheran Book of Worship From: "Randy Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:30:18 -0500   Does anyone use the LBW supplement "With One Voice"? We do, and like it. There are some good hymns there. I want to try doing setting 5 for the liturgy after Easter.   We have a "Sunday School opening" every Sunday for ten minutes in the fellowship hall, in which a song leader and lay evangelist of sorts leads about three gospel songs and I accompany on an upright piano, sometimes in quasi-black gospel style, more often in quasi-white. I came across "The Celebration Hymnal", edited by Tom Fettke and published by Word, which at first I thought was tacky but the closer I looked the more I liked it. Some real gems from the past, plus the cream of the crop of new ... what shall I say... praise choruses? contemporary Christian? evangelical hymns? I dunno, but I like 'em. I certainly did not like the praise choruses I heard once in a Methodist church accompanied by guitars and drums with the words projected on a screen. This stuff is better than that. Anyway, the song leader and I managed to elicit a donation that would buy 23 copies for the fellowship hall thing, and when the hymnals come in it should be fun. Secretly I'd like to ditch the LBW and keep "With One Voice" for its hymns and in particular its liturgy and substiution the Celebration Hymnal in the church service itself for the LBW. But maybe if we did that we wouldn't be Lutherans any more.   Randy Runyon runyonr@muohio.edu Music Director Zion Lutheran Church, Hamilton, Ohio  
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(back) Subject: Re: vinyl players From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 14:59:11 -0600   I got quite an expensive Bang & Olufsen turntable about 10 years ago, concerned that vinyl was on its way out and my extensive collection could become obsolete. Indeed, most of the turntables still available seem = fairly poor and I have never regretted the B & O purchase - it is truly awesome.   In addition to being troublefree and improving the sound of all my LP's, = the turntable seems to have an uncanny ability to reduce, mostly eliminate, = the inevitable pops and clicks which old vinyl platters seem to accumulate.   But I am starting to bow to progress. Gradually, I am transferring, via = the old B & O, my vinyl collection to CD's and MP3's. They sound great, won't deteriorate with further play the way vinyl does, and make it much easier = to access individual tracks, etc. But there is a certain sadness in = abandoning the vinyl of my youth.   TTFA, Russ Greene    
(back) Subject: Death of Ron Stalford From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:05:30 -0500   Ronald P. Stalford, 60 Tuesday, February 26, 2002   WORCESTER- Ronald P. Stalford, 60, of 136 Coolidge Road, a longtime organist and choirmaster, died Saturday, Feb. 23, at home. He leaves a sister, Miriam S. Kala of Fredericksburg, Va.; four nephews; three nieces; a great-niece; and a close friend, John M. Zamoida of Worcester. A brother, Kenneth H. Stalford, died in 2000. He was born in Endicott, N.Y., son of Henry P. and Evelyn (Pickett) Stalford, and = attended Westminster Choir College in Princeton, N.J. He was a student of Leo Sowerby, Alexander McCurdy, Robert Elmore, Paul Callaway and Preston Rockholt. Mr. Stalford was the organist and choirmaster for 21 years at All Saints Episcopal Church, retiring in 2000. Previously, he was the organist at Christ Church in Georgetown, Washington, D.C., and Church of = Incarnation in Drexel Hill, Pa. In 1975, he was assistant organist at York Minster, England, under Francis Jackson. Since retiring, he was affiliated with the music program at Trinity Church in Copley Square, Boston, and with = choruses in Worcester, Pittsfield and Westerly, R.I. He was a well-known organ recitalist and accompanist in North America and Europe. He was a member of All Saints Episcopal Church, the Association of Anglican Musicians, Worcester Historical Museum and Worcester Art Museum; = a fellow of the College of Church Musicians at the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C.; an honorary member of All Saints Church Choir Alumni Association; an active member of Worcester and Boston chapters of the American Guild of Organists; and a former member of the Worcester Club. The memorial service will be held at 2 p.m. Saturday, March 2, in All Saints Episcopal Church, 10 Irving St. There are no calling hours. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to Ronald P. Stalford Recital Fund, c/o All Saints Episcopal Church, 10 Irving St., Worcester, MA 01609. Caswell-King Funeral Home, 474 Grove St., is directing arrangements.   Submitted by Judy Ollikkala, obit. in Worcester MA Telegram & Gazette  
(back) Subject: RE: vinyl players From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:05:43 -0800   I too am in process of transferring much of my collection to CD.... it is = a neat experience to hear my old recordings preserved (and often = transformed!) Some of the recordings have never been re-released on CD, for instance the Dupr=E9 recordings of his P+F op 36 made at St-Sulpice in the late 1950s, = and the rare short-run stuff I've got of some obscure 20th C music.   The Dupr=E9 performances are awesome... and much more majestic than most = I've heard of op 36... most folks take those pieces at breakneck speed and destroy their beauty by empty displays of virtuosity :-(   I'm a young guy, and I play with what I hope is passion and excitement, = but far too many players reduce profound music to an empty display of = technique, IMNSHO   Jonathan Orwig Riverside CA USA     > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Russ Greene > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:59 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: vinyl players > > > I got quite an expensive Bang & Olufsen turntable about 10 years ago, > concerned that vinyl was on its way out and my extensive > collection could > become obsolete. Indeed, most of the turntables still > available seem fairly > poor and I have never regretted the B & O purchase - it is > truly awesome. > > But I am starting to bow to progress. Gradually, I am > transferring, via the > old B & O, my vinyl collection to CD's and MP3's. They sound > great, won't > deteriorate with further play the way vinyl does, and make it > much easier to > access individual tracks, etc. But there is a certain sadness > in abandoning > the vinyl of my youth.    
(back) Subject: Anglican or RC Fake Hymnal From: "Ron Pearcy" <ronniep@clear.net.nz> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 10:23:15 +0000 (GMT)   Greetings Folks,   A good friend of mine plays a small pipe organ regularly for Services in a local RC Church. On occasions he also subs for one or two Anglican churches as well. He took lessons from the Cathedral organist a number of years ago, but since then prefers use semi fake music as the basis for his activities.   Quite frequently he has asked me for assistance in translating 4 part Hymnal music over to his preferred medium. I have been happy to help.   My question relates to this topic. Does anyone know whether an Anglican or RCatholic Hymnal is available in Fake format .. .. ie melody line with Chord symbols .. .. and if so, a source of supply.   With grateful thanks,   Cheers, Ronnie   -- ----- Ronnie Pearcy <ronniep@clear.net.nz> 17 Donegal Crescent, = Greenswood, Greenmeadows, Napier, New Zealand -------  
(back) Subject: Re: Anglican or RC Fake Hymnal From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:37:19 EST   Dear Ronnie:   The only fake music is in the folk idiom. Ooops! It just came out! Well, It's the truth! Your friend needs to learn to harmonize the tune lines with a few well chosen chords in the keys he plays in. There is no FAKE BOOK that I know of available. We do everything the old fashioned way.   Ron  
(back) Subject: fake books for Anglican and RC hymnals From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:51:40 -0800   No fake book exists for the Episcopal Hymnal 1940; some of the music in the Episcopal Hymnal 1982 has guitar chords or guitar tablature ... I forget which. I THINK the accompaniment edition of the Roman Catholic Worship III Hymnal has guitar chords for some things; certainly Gather does. But I'm not aware of ANYTHING in fake book format, by which I presume you mean the melody, the bass line, and chord symbols for ANY of those books.   It would be easy enough to CREATE on Finale or Sibelius; no, I'm NOT volunteering (grin).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Anglican or RC Fake Hymnal From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:51:43 -0400     Check out: http://www.worshipmusic.com/hl00240145.html "The Hymn Fake Book: A Collection of Over 1000 Multi-Denominational = Hymns" Don't know how many Catholic or Anglican hymns it has, but it must have some.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu           on 3/6/02 5:37 PM, RonSeverin@aol.com at RonSeverin@aol.com wrote:   > Dear Ronnie: > > The only fake music is in the folk idiom. Ooops! It just came out! > Well, It's the truth! Your friend needs to learn to harmonize the > tune lines with a few well chosen chords in the keys he plays in. > There is no FAKE BOOK that I know of available. We do everything the > old fashioned way. > > Ron > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Anglican or RC Fake Hymnal From: "colin-hulme@bctalk.net" <colin-hulme@bctalk.net> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 22:53:52 +0000       Publisher Kevin Mayhew Ltd, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk IP30 0SZ publish "Hymns Old and New" in Anglican and RC editions. They have 4 part harmony and chord symbols. Also an indication as to whether the two are mutually compatible.   Cheers,   Colin.    
(back) Subject: Re: Lutheran Book of Worship From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:30:04 EST   Indeed it seems this book matches its times when the elite were very = scared of anything which might appear to be emotional or subjective. They (the elite) after all were authority and needed firm control allowing only = enough trivialities to prevent a peasant's riot! It perfectly complements the neo-baroque organs which were often pronounced as "the only" type of instrument. The registration rules were strictly "vertical" - 8, 4, 2, Mixture, and another Mixture, with a clear (and light) pedal 16, then = pedal 8, 4, Mixture plus of course the 16' Bazuin for the last verse - and by = the way no couplers!. Then there are the Anthems which went to great effort to =   make sure the listeners would not be permitted any auditory pleasure which =   would be dismissed as contemptable Victorian banality And we could go on = and on becoming increasingly snobbish ourselves. Lets just be greatful for the =   end of this era. Tpday we have different problems, perhaps as a reaction = to our previous cold objectivity.   BTW, I'd propose that future hymnals forbid the inclusion of music (and probably lyrics also) composed by any member of the committee. Of course a =   music editor is neccessary.   Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: Anglican or RC Fake Hymnal From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:42:13 EST   In a message dated 3/6/02 1:54:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, runyonr@muohio.edu writes:   << "The Hymn Fake Book: >> Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor is actually in a fake book. I once = heard an "organist" play it from the book.   Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: 1/2 time job, Lancaster PA - (X-posted) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:10:19 -0600   I have known Karl now for around 18 years, originally as a customer of = James R. McFarland & Co., the organbuilding firm I worked for in the mid 1980's. He did a great job at Millersville University, he seems to have done a = great job at Grace Lutheran Church, Lancaster (although I have no first hand experience of this), and he has done a great job of organizing annual celebrity recitals on the little E. & G.G. Hook tracker in the U.C.C. at Orwell, Vermont, where he has a summer home. But IMHO his greatest achievement was when he was organist of St. John's Episcopal Church in Marietta, Pa., where he ran a stunning music program with only a four rank Wicks and three choir members at his disposal. In terms of what it is possible to do with almost no resources, I don't think this has ever been surpassed. I wish you a long and happy retirement, Karl, and welcome to = the tenor section of the choir.   John Speller   ---- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> To: "pipechat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>; "piporg-l" <piporg-l@listserv.albany.edu>; "organchat" <organchat@egroups.com>; "Anglican-music" <anglican-music@list.stsams.org>; "Hymns" <hymns@oremus.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:54 PM Subject: 1/2 time job, Lancaster PA - (X-posted)     Dear List Friends,   There's probably no set way of knowing when to retire, but for me = various personal "signals" have suggested that my retirement time has come at = Grace Lutheran Church, Lancaster PA, and this evening the announcement of a half-time position of organist and director of music has been posted on = the church's web site.    
(back) Subject: Re: Anyone ever heard of Norvel Hall? From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:21:02 EST   Arp:   I believe you are referring to Norville Hall who lived in Alabama and is deceased. His organs have quite a "reputation" in AL and TN. I doubt that there are many of them left. He typically would get a contract to provide = an organ, would buy a new console from Klann or someone else, and then fill = the chamber with all the junk he could find. I doubt that he ever did any "exposed" work. He didn't bother to lace cables or anything like that. The =   organs I've seen of his were awful, but of course his prices were good. As = I recall he drove a Cadillac and hauled most of the parts on top, in the = trunk, etc.   Tom  
(back) Subject: Re: Lutheran Book of Worship From: <MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:44:19 EST     --part1_47.194f043b.29b82e03_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/6/02 9:39:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, runyonr@muohio.edu writes:     > What is it with the Lutheran Book of Worship? I mean, why are so many > of the hymns written in such an eccentric style, suitable perhaps as an > alternate harmonization for a last verse, but rather wearing on the ears > when played for more than one verse?   I've often wondered the same thing. I was a Lutheran organist for several =   years, and found myself using the Episcopal Hymnal 1982 for a fair amount = of stuff. It's known as the infallible hymnal for good reason.   I've since been an Episcopal organist for the last 5 years and counting = and love it.   Jeremy Rush Church of the Resurrection Myrtle Beach, SC www.resurrectionsurfside.com   --part1_47.194f043b.29b82e03_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 3/6/02 9:39:33 AM Eastern = Standard Time, runyonr@muohio.edu writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What is it with = the Lutheran Book of Worship?&nbsp; I mean, why are so many<BR> of the hymns written in such an eccentric style, suitable perhaps as = an<BR> alternate harmonization for a last verse, but rather wearing on the = ears<BR> when played for more than one verse?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> I've often wondered the same thing.&nbsp; I was a Lutheran organist for = several years, and found myself using the Episcopal Hymnal 1982 for a fair = amount of stuff.&nbsp; It's known as the infallible hymnal for good = reason.<BR> <BR> I've since been an Episcopal organist for the last 5 years and counting = and love it.<BR> <BR> Jeremy Rush<BR> Church of the Resurrection<BR> Myrtle Beach, SC<BR> www.resurrectionsurfside.com</FONT></HTML>   --part1_47.194f043b.29b82e03_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: chiming in From: <MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:46:18 EST     --part1_178.4ab8fd4.29b82e7a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/6/02 9:43:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, DudelK@aol.com =   writes:     > Bells of St. Anne de Beaupre,,,,, at Riverside, possibly by Fred Swann > during the AGO convention?   Yes, Fred played that at Riverside in ' 96. Does anyone have knowledge of =   how to get this piece? I've looked for it ever since that concert and = have had no luck.   Jeremy Rush Church of the Resurrection Myrtle Beach, SC www.resurrectionsurfside.com   --part1_178.4ab8fd4.29b82e7a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 3/6/02 9:43:49 AM Eastern = Standard Time, DudelK@aol.com writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Bells of St. Anne = de Beaupre,,,,, at Riverside, possibly by Fred Swann <BR> during the AGO convention?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> Yes, Fred played that at Riverside in ' 96.&nbsp; Does anyone have = knowledge of how to get this piece?&nbsp; I've looked for it ever since = that concert and have had no luck.<BR> <BR> Jeremy Rush<BR> Church of the Resurrection<BR> Myrtle Beach, SC<BR> www.resurrectionsurfside.com</FONT></HTML>   --part1_178.4ab8fd4.29b82e7a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Lutheran Book of Worship From: <MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:54:59 EST     --part1_16b.9ebd5a0.29b83083_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/6/02 11:07:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, arpschneider@starband.net writes:     > This > was especially jarring when Hymns that had familiar words that everyone > had known by heart were "revised" and everyone got confused and kept > singing the "old" words. >   Oh no, please let's not start a "discussion" on changing/updating words in =   hymnals. We've just literally got finished flaming each other to death on =   the Anglican Musicians' List and it wasn't pretty. Just count to 10 and = pass it by.   :-)   --part1_16b.9ebd5a0.29b83083_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 3/6/02 11:07:36 AM Eastern = Standard Time, arpschneider@starband.net writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">This<BR> was especially jarring when Hymns that had familiar words that = everyone<BR> had known by heart were "revised" and everyone got confused and kept<BR> singing the "old" words.<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> Oh no, please let's not start a "discussion" on changing/updating words in = hymnals.&nbsp; We've just literally got finished flaming each other to = death on the Anglican Musicians' List and it wasn't pretty.&nbsp; Just = count to 10 and pass it by.<BR> <BR> :-)</FONT></HTML>   --part1_16b.9ebd5a0.29b83083_boundary--