PipeChat Digest #2738 - Wednesday, March 6, 2002
 
RE: chiming in
  by "Bob Leety" <rleety@horberg.com>
Re: Lutheran Book of Worship
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
harmonisations
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Lutheran Book of Worship
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Lutheran Book of Worship
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Lutheran Book of Worship
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: harmonisations
  by "Karl Keller" <kkeller1@stny.rr.com>
Re: Lutheran Book of Worship
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
LBW, LW, TLH
  by "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net>
RE: Lutheran Book of Worship
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Re: LBW, LW, TLH
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: LBW, LW, TLH
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Re: Lutheran Book of Worship (long)
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
 

(back) Subject: RE: chiming in From: "Bob Leety" <rleety@horberg.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:00:01 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01C1C55A.49D61560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I have a copy of this piece, but I believe it is long out of print. The best rendition I've heard is done by Robert Tall on his CD "The Modern Organ for the New Millenium". Bob Leety Monroe, CT Bells of St. Anne de Beaupre,,,,, at Riverside, possibly by Fred Swann during the AGO convention?   Yes, Fred played that at Riverside in ' 96. Does anyone have knowledge of how to get this piece? I've looked for it ever since that concert and have had no luck.         ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01C1C55A.49D61560 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <TITLE>Message</TITLE>   <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2713.1100" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><FONT face=3D3DArial><FONT = =3D size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D008505602-07032002><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff>I have a copy of this = =3D piece, but I=3D20 believe it is long out of print.&nbsp; The best rendition I've heard is = =3D done by=3D20 Robert Tall on his CD "The Modern Organ for the New=3D20 Millenium".</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><FONT face=3D3DArial><FONT = =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20 size=3D3D2><SPAN =3D class=3D3D008505602-07032002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><FONT face=3D3DArial><FONT = =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20 size=3D3D2><SPAN class=3D3D008505602-07032002>Bob=3D20 Leety</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><FONT face=3D3DArial><FONT = =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20 size=3D3D2><SPAN class=3D3D008505602-07032002>Monroe,=3D20 CT</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><FONT face=3D3DArial><FONT = =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20 size=3D3D2><SPAN =3D class=3D3D008505602-07032002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><FONT face=3D3DArial><FONT = =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20 size=3D3D2><SPAN =3D class=3D3D008505602-07032002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><FONT face=3D3DArial><FONT = =3D size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D008505602-07032002><FONT=3D20 color=3D3D#0000ff>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= =3D sp;</FONT></SPAN>Bells=3D20 of St. Anne de Beaupre,,,,, at Riverside, possibly by Fred =3D Swann&nbsp;<BR><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D008505602-07032002><FONT=3D20 color=3D3D#0000ff>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= =3D sp;</FONT></SPAN>during=3D20 the AGO convention?</FONT></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Yes, Fred played that at Riverside = in =3D ' 96.&nbsp;=3D20 Does anyone have knowledge of how to get this piece?&nbsp; I've looked = =3D for it=3D20 ever since that concert and have had no luck.<SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D008505602-07032002><FONT =3D color=3D3D#0000ff>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 =3D class=3D3D008505602-07032002>&nbsp;</SPAN><BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT></BLO= =3D CKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01C1C55A.49D61560--    
(back) Subject: Re: Lutheran Book of Worship From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:14:35 EST   In a message dated 3/6/02 9:39:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, runyonr@muohio.edu writes:   << What is it with the Lutheran Book of Worship? I mean, why are so many of the hymns written in such an eccentric style, suitable perhaps as an alternate harmonization for a last verse, but rather wearing on the ears when played for more than one verse? >>   I think it was done that way because they wanted to get away from the "traditional" (i.e., tried and proven) harmonizations. They thought this would lead to renewed congregational singing. I think you're in a = majority of people who tend to play some of these hymns out of other hymnals. And speaking as someone who would rather sing a harmony part for hymns, some = of them make no sense at all.  
(back) Subject: harmonisations From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:03:44 +1300   Being an Anglican in New Zealand (which is rather different from being an Episcopalian in the USA, by the way) I don't know the Lutheran hymnbooks being talked, and don't even have any idea what all those initials people are quoting stand for. I think I've got the gist, though. As a basso profundissimo, I find it very offensive in any church if there = is no "bass line". When a lot of church music groups take practices (plural) = to learn some new "song", then is it any wonder congregations just can't join in when their musical skills are even less than that of the prayze band. I live hymns, don't get me wrong, and I'd like 6 per Service instead of = the usual 4. Some folk feel it is smart to have tunes and altered words and a colleague of mine "edits" every hymn and puts the words in the Newsletter each week to make sure people sing only her (yes, her, an Anglican priest) political corrections. Ugh! There is the story, too, of the organist who was so addicted to "different tunes" to wellknown words that he boasted to his farewell party on his retirement, "I think I can safely say that no Service I've ever played for has been devoid of criticism. I can also safely say that no one has sung anything they like or want to like, or know or want to know." And we clergy can have gripes about this, justifiably, so it is not always the vicar's/priest's/minister's fault. As a musician, I get cross with organists who only register by piston, and so their registration never changes. If I had my way, hand-registering would be compulsory. Even on an electronic. When I play for a Service here (now I'm retired) people come = up to me and say, "No one else makes the organ sound the way you do." And yet it's a revolting (as they all are) Allen electronic of 2 decks. If you have a quirky hymnbook, sure, use the harmonisation from somewhere else. Advisedly, though, tell the priest/minister/clergy bod in advance = and get his/her support and encouragement, then you won't have to fend off any criticism on your own. Most clergy I know welcome support from their musicians and a desire for friendship as well, yet others feel they must have an undeclared war. Oh well, sorry about my butterfly mind - half a dozen tangents here. Ross      
(back) Subject: Re: Lutheran Book of Worship From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:59:32 EST     --part1_16e.9e991c9.29b83fa4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I use some of the hymn tunes in the Lutheran Book of Worship as free hymn accompaniments for the last verse (in a Baptist church). Lee   --part1_16e.9e991c9.29b83fa4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I use some of the hymn = tunes in the Lutheran Book of Worship as free hymn accompaniments for the = last verse (in a Baptist church). &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_16e.9e991c9.29b83fa4_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Lutheran Book of Worship From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:02:31 EST     --part1_152.a02fe46.29b84057_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I was relating to the Red Lutheran Book of Worship. I use the Green Accompaniment Liturgy (especially This Is The Feast) as a prelude or postlude. Lee   --part1_152.a02fe46.29b84057_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I was relating to the = Red Lutheran Book of Worship. &nbsp;I use the Green Accompaniment Liturgy = (especially This Is The Feast) as a prelude or postlude. Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_152.a02fe46.29b84057_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Lutheran Book of Worship From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 22:30:32 -0600     --------------A14F57AD064C922AAD9544C8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       Lee wrote:   > I was relating to the Red Lutheran Book of Worship. I use the Green > Accompaniment Liturgy (especially This Is The Feast) as a prelude or > postlude.   The immediate predecessors to the LBW were both red: the Lutheran Hymnal, published by the Lutheran Church-Missouri synod in about 1940, and the Service Book and Hymnal, by most of the other denominations in the mid '50's. As far as I know, the Lutheran Book of Worship was never available with a red binding.   ns     --------------A14F57AD064C922AAD9544C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> &nbsp; <p>Lee wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>I = was relating to the Red Lutheran Book of Worship.&nbsp; I use the Green = Accompaniment Liturgy (especially This Is The Feast) as a prelude or = postlude.</font></font></blockquote> The immediate predecessors to the LBW were both red: the Lutheran Hymnal, published by the Lutheran Church-Missouri synod in about 1940, and the Service Book and Hymnal, by most of the other denominations in the mid '50's.&nbsp; As far as I know, the Lutheran Book of Worship was never = available with a red binding. <p>ns <br>&nbsp;</html>   --------------A14F57AD064C922AAD9544C8--    
(back) Subject: Re: harmonisations From: "Karl Keller" <kkeller1@stny.rr.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:51:08 -0500   My congratulations to Ross. For the first time since joining this list he capitalized the proper noun Allen in reference to the organ he has so much disdain for. He usually writes "allen organ".   BTW, I enjoy his posts for the most part but disagree with his bashing electronic organs.   Karl Keller Sayre, PA    
(back) Subject: Re: Lutheran Book of Worship From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:48:48 EST     --part1_e6.243a5f92.29b84b30_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   So, I must be color blind, as well as in the minority for the church in = which I play. Whatever it was called, I use the red hymn book put out by the Lutherans. Lee   --part1_e6.243a5f92.29b84b30_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>So, I must be color = blind, as well as in the minority for the church in which I play. = &nbsp;Whatever it was called, I use the red hymn book put out by the = Lutherans. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_e6.243a5f92.29b84b30_boundary--  
(back) Subject: LBW, LW, TLH From: "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:57:55 -0800   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0093_01C1C562.5A64B1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   As some may or may not know, the LCMS is working on a new hymnal due out = =3D in 2007. Being an acquaintance/friend of the Chair of the Harmonization = =3D committee working on it I know that some of the Bunjes harmonizations =3D will be dropped. Their goal is to have all hymns playable on the =3D manuals alone for those poor pianist who get thrown into playing the =3D organ, and to better encourage congregation singing allowing the easy =3D singing of harmony.   One problem I've seen with "Thats not how it was in the Old Hymnal" is =3D that people are worshiping the hymnal. Not everyone liked those =3D harmonizations in TLH, not eveyone likes the harmonizations in LW, and =3D not everyone will like those harmonizations in what ever the new one is = =3D called. Granted I'm not a huge fan of every harmonization I run into, =3D thats why I have resources of alternate harmonization, wheter they come = =3D from another hymnal, book or on the fly as I play. They know realize =3D that Bunjes had to much input to the hymnal. But how many of us could =3D do that many harmonizations and make everyone happy. No matter what he = =3D did, someone wasn't going to like it. I think there is some valuable =3D lessons learned in both what can be done, what shouldn't be done, and =3D things we hadn't thought of yet.=3D20   Travis   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0093_01C1C562.5A64B1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial>As some may or may not know, the LCMS is working = =3D on a new=3D20 hymnal due out in 2007.&nbsp; Being an acquaintance/friend of the Chair = =3D of the=3D20 Harmonization committee working on it I know that some of the Bunjes=3D20 harmonizations will be dropped.&nbsp; Their goal is to have all hymns =3D playable=3D20 on the manuals alone for those poor pianist who get thrown into playing = =3D the=3D20 organ, and to better encourage congregation singing allowing the easy =3D singing of=3D20 harmony.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial>One problem I've seen&nbsp;with "Thats not how = =3D it was in=3D20 the Old Hymnal" is that people are worshiping the hymnal.&nbsp; Not =3D everyone=3D20 liked those harmonizations in TLH, not eveyone likes the harmonizations = =3D in LW,=3D20 and not everyone will like those harmonizations in what ever the new one = =3D is=3D20 called.&nbsp; Granted I'm not a huge fan of every harmonization I run =3D into,=3D20 thats why I have resources of alternate harmonization, wheter they come = =3D from=3D20 another hymnal, book or on the fly as I play.&nbsp; They know realize =3D that=3D20 Bunjes had to much input to the hymnal.&nbsp; But how many of us could =3D do that=3D20 many harmonizations and make everyone happy.&nbsp; No matter what he =3D did,=3D20 someone wasn't going to like it.&nbsp; I think there is some valuable =3D lessons=3D20 learned in both what can be done, what shouldn't be done, and things we = =3D hadn't=3D20 thought of yet.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial>Travis</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0093_01C1C562.5A64B1E0--    
(back) Subject: RE: Lutheran Book of Worship From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:20:04 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0022_01C1C565.72A884E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In looking in the back on page 940 of LBW, it shows Bunjes only had 10 harmonizations in this book. I don't know if any of his pseudonyms appear under there, or not....but compare it to LW, there's a big difference.   What I find frustrating is having been in the LCMS all my life, and now playing for an ELCA church, many of the TUNES have changed too, not just = the harmonization. An example: "Christ the Life of All the Living" is = changed to a big degree of difference!   1) not ALL of the organs designed by Dr. Bunjes are "ghastly". I happen = to belong to a church with a VERY nice Schlicker organ he designed.   2) The man is DEAD...can we please let him rest in peace? No matter what the opinions of the musical world, he WAS highly revered in the = church....no matter if it was justified or not. I personally enjoyed being in one of = his final theory classes he taught at River Forest. He was very intelligent, even if maybe his designs and harmonizations were "unusual." I don't = agree with everything he did either.   Regards, Jeff   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0022_01C1C565.72A884E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN class=3D3D180051505-07032002>In = =3D looking in the=3D20 back on page 940 of LBW, it shows Bunjes only had 10 harmonizations in =3D this=3D20 book.&nbsp; I don't know if any of his pseudonyms appear under there, or = =3D   not....but compare it to LW, there's a big =3D difference.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D180051505-07032002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN = class=3D3D180051505-07032002>What I =3D find=3D20 frustrating is having been in the LCMS all my life, and now playing for = =3D an ELCA=3D20 church, many of the TUNES have changed too, not just the =3D harmonization.&nbsp; An=3D20 example:&nbsp; "Christ the Life of All the Living" is&nbsp;changed to a = =3D big=3D20 degree of difference!&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D180051505-07032002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN class=3D3D180051505-07032002>1) = not =3D ALL of the=3D20 organs designed by Dr. Bunjes are "ghastly".&nbsp; I happen to belong to = =3D a=3D20 church with a VERY nice Schlicker organ he designed.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D180051505-07032002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN =3D class=3D3D180051505-07032002>2)&nbsp; The man is=3D20 DEAD...can we please let him rest in peace?&nbsp; No matter what the =3D opinions of=3D20 the musical world, he WAS highly revered in the church....no matter if =3D it was=3D20 justified or not.&nbsp; I personally enjoyed being in one of his final =3D theory=3D20 classes he taught at River Forest.&nbsp; He was very intelligent, even =3D if maybe=3D20 his designs and harmonizations were "unusual."&nbsp; I don't agree = with=3D20 everything he did either.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D180051505-07032002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D180051505-07032002>Regards,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D180051505-07032002>Jeff</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0022_01C1C565.72A884E0--    
(back) Subject: Re: LBW, LW, TLH From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:38:33 +1300   Could someone PLEASE explain what all those initials stand for? And does anyone have an old copy of those hymnbooks I could have, so I'll know what's being talked about. I'd love to see what weird sort of stuff = it is you are berating. If anyone has any old hymnbooks from the USA they = don't want, however common to you over there, could you reply to me privately at my email and I'll send you my address. I do have the 1940 PECUSA one, though - Alec Wyton sent me a copy about 40 years ago. Regards, Ross -----Original Message----- From: Travis L. Evans <tevansmo@prodigy.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thursday, March 07, 2002 5:59 PM Subject: LBW, LW, TLH     As some may or may not know, the LCMS is working on a new hymnal due out in 2007. Being an acquaintance/friend of the Chair of the Harmonization committee working on it I know that some of the Bunjes harmonizations will be dropped. Their goal is to have all hymns playable on the manuals alone for those poor pianist who get thrown into playing the organ, and to = better encourage congregation singing allowing the easy singing of harmony.   One problem I've seen with "Thats not how it was in the Old Hymnal" is that people are worshiping the hymnal. Not everyone liked those harmonizations in TLH, not eveyone likes the harmonizations in LW, and not everyone will like those harmonizations in what ever the new one is = called. Granted I'm not a huge fan of every harmonization I run into, thats why I have resources of alternate harmonization, wheter they come from another hymnal, book or on the fly as I play. They know realize that Bunjes had = to much input to the hymnal. But how many of us could do that many harmonizations and make everyone happy. No matter what he did, someone wasn't going to like it. I think there is some valuable lessons learned = in both what can be done, what shouldn't be done, and things we hadn't = thought of yet.   Travis      
(back) Subject: RE: LBW, LW, TLH From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:26:32 -0600   LBW =3D Lutheran Book of Worship, published by Augsburg Publishing House, = 1978 LW =3D Lutheran Worship, published by Concordia Publishing House, 1981 TLH =3D The Lutheran Hymnal, published by Concordia Publishing House, 1941   Regards, Jeff   > Could someone PLEASE explain what all those initials stand for?    
(back) Subject: Re: Lutheran Book of Worship (long) From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 00:51:13 -0500   Regarding reharmonizations of hymns in LBW:   1. I've found many of them extremely distasteful. I continue to think the hymanl should use the "prevailing, standard" harmonziation of a given hymn, unless specific reasons exist for otherwise. (On this last idea, see below.)   2. Some in LBW are scored for unison singing but do permit four-part singing by simply dividing long note values into whatever segments are requried to deliver the syllables of text. My choir has done this with goo= d success.   3. If hymns are scored for unison singing and in such fashion that it's al= l but impossible for people to sing them in four parts after all, you're licked if four-part singing is your thing on those hymns. But in many such situations, the composer actually indicated unison singing, as did Vaughn Williams in most of the stanzas of "Sine Nomine."   4. (and some of us will disagree about this) Some hymns are best sung in unison: Gregorian chant hymns, 16th & 17th century rhythmic chorales, French psalter tunes (as opposed to English psalter tunes), and more modern hymns specifically composed for for unison singing. Ralph Vaughn Williams' "Sine Nomine" is a perfect example, with some stanzas set in four parts and others in unison. (I keep wishing that all hymnals printed out John Goss' "Lauda Anima" tune as it first appeared in _Hymns Ancient and Modern_, wit= h each stanza set differently, including some of them for unison singing as h= e intended.) Graham George's "The King's Majesty" is another that, as best I am aware, usually appears to be sung in unison.   5. The blame-game here against Paul Bunjes is not fully accurate. If you are serious about determing who worked over a given hymn in LBW, look at th= e Index to Authors, Composers, and Sources of Hymns (pp. 939 & ff). Hymn numbers printed in italics indicate those persons. Thus, for example, the venerable Catherine Winkworth is represented in LBW by 30 hymns, all of the= m her alteration to earlier versions of the texts: translations, of course. :-) But you can see there how many hymns Paul Bunjes altered, and if yo= u look up and down the list you can see who else alteraed texts or tunes tha= t appear in LBW. Draw your own conclusions, but Bunjes has taken an unfair rap in this discussion. My own copy of LBW has each such person's name hand-written at the hymn itself.   6. That index includes two entries "Hymnal translation" and "Hymnal version" which include numbers of hymns, many of which are also identified elsewhere in the same index by the name of the person repsonsible. For example, the music alteration for LBW 487, listed under "Hymnal version," i= s the work of Frederick Jackisch and identified at his name. But not all are thus identified! Perhaps Dr. Stanley Yoder, our list-member friend, can further identify who altered what texts, since he served on that committee.   7. One of the most vexing aspects of this, IMHO, are hymn tunes which appear more than once but with different harmonies. Thus, for example, "Schm=FCcke dich, o meine Seele" appears in two harmonic versions. Worst of all in the entire book, IMO, "Twenty-Fourth" appears in two versions (LBW 122 and 126) which do not even agree in the rhythm of the melody! Robert Leaf did LBW 122; I've not determined who did LBW 126.   8. NOTE, HOWEVER: this is different from the "Lutheran problem" of "rhythmic" versus "isometric" versions of 16th & 17th century chorales. Thus do "Ein' feste Burg ist unser Gott," "Wie sch=F6n leuchtet der Morgenstern," and "Herzlich tut mich verlangen" appear in both versions in an effort both to please the somewhat different Lutheran groups who began t= o prepare the hymnal jointly--and perhaps also to give us a historically useful hymnal that shows the rhythmic versions even to those who did not sing them in America prior to this hymnal. The prior book, the red-colore= d _Service Book and Hymnal_ also had certain chorales in rhythmic and isometric versions. I am thankful for the presence of these rhythmic versions, and I wish you could hear my parish sing "Wie sch=F6n leuchtet der Morgenstern" with all those marvelous rhythms!! Lots of persons outside Lutheranism have been either unable or unwilling to give up a basically British stance on this issue; thus, they continue to insist on singing the chorales in four-part harmony and in isometric versions, which robs them of the sort of spirit in which they first took their flight. They are entitled to their opinions, of course, but with all due candor and gentleness let me suggest that non-Lutherans, including non-Lutherans serving Lutheran parishes, are hardly in a position to criticize the Lutherans on how they do their thing with their specific heritage, i.e., th= e chorales. The fact remains, of course, that the Anglicization of Lutheranism in America is so pervasive as to have a majority of Lutherans i= n American utterly ignorant of what Luther, Decious, Nicolai, Cr=FCger et all really wrote. That Anglicization is evidenced in the enormous number of Lutheran buildings erected from the Civil War and later in English Gothic revival style with divided choirs in chancels et al.   All this being said, some of the re-harmonizations in LBW would hardly have passed my freshman harmony class!!!!!!   In 1985, seven years after LBW appeared, my friend John Becker, workin= g in the LCA office before the LCA, ALC and AELC merged into the present-day ELCA body, issued _Selected Hymns For Singing In Harmony_ through the denomination's publishing house in Philadelphia. This paperback book of 96 pages sought to address some of the complaints we've been reading in the past several days. The hymn number for a given hymn matches that in LBW. I don't know if the publication is still available; if so, I would most expect it to be in the Augsburg Fortress catalog. Had this publication come earlier, it might have informed final decisions on similar matters in _Hymnal 1982_.=20   Das ist jetzt genug!!! Danke Sie f=FCr Ihrer Aufmerksamkeit.   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA