PipeChat Digest #2741 - Saturday, March 9, 2002
 
Re LBW
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wayne@eminent-usa.com>
Re: chiming in
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Bunjes-jumping
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
The magic fingers of merlin
  by "Scott May" <sm@happypigkitchens.com>
RE: 1/2 time job, Lancaster PA - (X-posted)
  by "Suzanne Dodd" <parishadmin@stlukesnyc.org>
Re: The magic fingers of merlin
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Upcoming concerts and appearances (x-posted)
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: composers
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: Bunjes-jumping
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: 1/2 time job, Lancaster PA - (X-posted)
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re LBW From: "Wayne Grauel" <wayne@eminent-usa.com> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:21:08 -0500     > > This re-harmonziation is the work of Paul Manz. Is our = correspondent > whom I quote willing to make this statement to Manz? > > The book is not perfect. But then, I don't think we can have = perfection > except in spiritual goals, mathematical proofs, and certain baseball = games. > But despite some things I don't liek about LBW, I think we should be = more > discreet than the commets to which I respond above. > > Karl, I think my comments about the dumbing down are relevant, as the LBW and its intention to have the congregation sing unison has led to the real dilemma that our church and so many others have succumb to...   OK... great, the congregation doesn't need to sing harmony, or even read the music so Pastors can now roll their own services and just print the words in the bulletin.   This may not have been the case at your churches, but it sure is rampant in many lutheran churches.... ELCA, MS, and WELLS.   As an original ALC lutheran who's career has been predominately playing MS churches, I guess the additional German choral tunes were a blessing. To the MS side of this equation, I think the hymnody was more of a disappointment.   However, I will step back to look at the global picture and be realistic and say that I too really like many of the additions like Lift High the Cross.   Unfortunately for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and there are a lot more total flops than successes in this hymnal in my opinion.   So, with all of the obvious successes in the hymnal, there still is little excuse for the mess they made of the rest of it.   I'm curious as to why I have to be discrete... Does this mean not tell it like it is? "Angels from the realms of Glory" is a musical abortion.... the harmony is "out there" with no relevance to the tonal center of the hymn, or offering the congregation a clue as to where it's going. At the very best it is one of the worst examples of even an "Alternate Harmonization".   Maybe this is the problem with organists in general? let's be discreet and not say what we feel. This way "we" (not me) can all work like dogs doing 3 or 4 choirs and X services per week for a measly fifteen thousand dollars if we're lucky!   Respectfully Wayne    
(back) Subject: Re: chiming in From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:50:59 -0500   When, in the early 60s (not MY early 60s - them are now), doing graduate study at Juilliard with Vernon deTar, I played a recital at the old, pre-fire, Church of the Holy Apostles. I wonder if anyone else from that era (still living!) remembers the old church, its old Casavant, and its wonderful rector, a very cultivated guy who loved organ music - The Rev. Robert Griswold. That organ was also designed by Seth Bingham - 8 foot stops a-plenty.   TGIF   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: OrganNYC@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 12:49 AM Subject: Re: chiming in     Seth Bingham's Bells of Riverside.   I'm scratching my head here, but seem to recall that after Bingham retired from Madison Ave. Presbyterian, he lived near Riverside Church and heard the carillon's quarter hour chime. Hence the piece he wrote.   Just last week or so, I went to Madison Ave. Pres. for Jon Gillock's masterclass on Franck, and read that the original Casavant which Bingham presided over, had 100 or so ranks, mainly 8' with some 16s and 4s. Could that have influenced his writings?   Steve in NYC      
(back) Subject: Bunjes-jumping From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 12:03:57 -0400   To Jim H., Wayne Grauel, John Panning, Bruce Cornely, Karl Moyer, Richard Schneider, Travis Evans, Jeff White, Paul Soulek, Jeremy Rush, Jerry in Seattle, Stan Yoder, Paul R. Swank, Malcolm Wechsler, Justin Karch, = Richard Weber, Robert Lind, Ron Severin, Douglas Morgan; and (going by email monickers here) Chicalee, ContraReed, vdbarton, DudelK... and anyone I may have inadvertently left out:   Thanks for all your replies to my question about the Lutheran Book of Worship. They've made for fascinating reading! Here's just one more example of what is maddening about the harmonizations: The first chord of the third measure from the end of St. Margaret (324, O Love That Will Not Let Me Go). One of the most beautiful moments in this lovely hymn is spoiled by putting a V chord where a I 6/4 should be. It is so dumb.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu          
(back) Subject: The magic fingers of merlin From: "Scott May" <sm@happypigkitchens.com> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 12:13:55 -0600   This may have been covered before, but I'm new here!   Does anyone remember "Theatre Organ in Hi-FI" or "the Mighty Pipe Organ" = or a dozen other names I've seen this record. It usually begins with "My = funny valentine" and has "Roamin' in the Gloamin" and a number of other = standards. I've got 2 copies, one attributed to "John Daly" and another to "The Magic fingers of Merlin"   Does anyone know anything about these albums?  
(back) Subject: RE: 1/2 time job, Lancaster PA - (X-posted) From: "Suzanne Dodd" <parishadmin@stlukesnyc.org> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:12:52 -0500   Karl:   How have I not checked your website before? It is AWESOME! (Well, I've looked only at the part that compels me the most, of course; obviously, it's your work.) I can only express the hope that even in retirement you'll continue to maintain at least this part of the site--which I needn't identify, for we all know what it would be.   Alan Freed, also trying to retire   -----Original Message----- From: Karl Moyer [mailto:kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu]=20 Subject: 1/2 time job, Lancaster PA - (X-posted)   Dear List Friends,   There's probably no set way of knowing when to retire, but for me various personal "signals" have suggested that my retirement time has come at Grace Lutheran Church, Lancaster PA, and this evening the announcement of a half-time position of organist and director of music has been posted on the church's web site. Go to   www.GraceLutheranChurch.com      
(back) Subject: Re: The magic fingers of merlin From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:00:51 -0800   >This may have been covered before, but I'm new here! > >Does anyone remember "Theatre Organ in Hi-FI" or "the Mighty Pipe Organ" = or >a dozen other names I've seen this record. It usually begins with "My = funny >valentine" and has "Roamin' in the Gloamin" and a number of other = standards. >I've got 2 copies, one attributed to "John Daly" and another to "The = Magic >fingers of Merlin" > >Does anyone know anything about these albums? >   yes, it is really John Kiley at the (something) theatre in Boston. i used to know the name..Metropolitan? and there are two volumes   Anyhow , there must have been no copyrights on any of that recording as it has been re=3Dissued over and over and over on a t least a dozen labels - maybe all the same parent co? But also at least as many artist names, including Jesse Crawford and Don Thompson!. I have started collecting the different permutations as i find them, just to see how many there are. Even found a CD! diff. label diff. name. There are lots of vinyl copies on Ebay often touted as "rare" .   I actually do like some of the arrngements, and wonder if Kiley had any = heirs?   john V  
(back) Subject: Upcoming concerts and appearances (x-posted) From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:44:11 -0500   Hi lists -   This is a concert announcement....   Tom Hoehn - Sunday - March 10, 2002 - Trinity Presbyterian Church, 2001 Rainbow Dr., Clearwater, FL. - 2:30 pm   The program will feature both instruments in the church (3/38 Reuter - Rodgers Trillium 807) in a concert of classical & popular music and a = silent film (The Rink - Charlie Chaplin).   FREE ADMISSION but they're gonna pass the plate. Reception follows the performance in the fellowship hall adjacent to the sanctuary.   Y'all come!   Tom Hoehn, Organist Tampa Theatre, Tampa, FL Royalty Theatre, Clearwater, FL First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn      
(back) Subject: Re: composers From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 13:48:12 -0600   On 2/28/02 4:50 PM, Ross & Lynda Wards wrote:   > I played very slowly indeed one of those chromatic slow-moving > Elevations by Frescobaldi on just the Flute Celeste with the box fairly = well > closed, i.e. ppp. Many people said "thanks" afterwards, saying they knew > nothing about music and thus had no idea what I was doing, but they felt = it > sounded just right. Mind you, to be correct it would have been a = Principal > Celeste, but there isn't one there, and the Flute Celeste is of "harder" > tone than a proper flute anyway. Oh yes, to make it sound better in the = dead > and drab acoustics of this fully-carpeted building, I added a VERY soft = 16ft > (on the Pedal), duplicating my manual notes, as it needed warmth without > loudness. I hope that's acceptable to the "purists" - but when there's = only > a loust electronic you have to make do!   Poor Ross, Does it not occur to you that if you had been playing a tiny tracker = instead of a lousy electronic, you would not have had a Flute Celeste, or a Principal Celeste, or a ppp Flute of any kind or a VERY soft 16 ft on the Pedal? Nor probably any Expressive capability either. On a tiny tracker, = you REALLY have to make do!   TTFA, Russ    
(back) Subject: Re: Bunjes-jumping From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 20:53:52 EST     --part1_f3.1791b132.29bac530_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/8/02 5:06:37 PM !!!First Boot!!!, runyonr@muohio.edu writes:     > Here's just one more > example of what is maddening about the harmonizations: The first chord = of > the third measure from the end of St. Margaret (324, O Love That Will = Not > Let Me Go). One of the most beautiful moments in this lovely hymn is > spoiled by putting a V chord where a I 6/4 should be. It is so dumb. >   Yup! That's right up there with changing Adeste Fideles a la King's = College with the elegant suspension in the first phrase on "faith-ful". It's = nice ONCE, but become very tedious stanza after stanza. I only used it once = per hymn, usually on stanza 3 just to see if the choir was on the ball and = would follow with the proper parts!   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_f3.1791b132.29bac530_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/8/02 5:06:37 PM !!!First Boot!!!, runyonr@muohio.edu writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Here's just one = more <BR>example of what is maddening about the harmonizations: &nbsp;The first = chord of <BR>the third measure from the end of St. Margaret (324, O Love That Will = Not <BR>Let Me Go). &nbsp;One of the most beautiful moments in this lovely = hymn is <BR>spoiled by putting a V chord where a I 6/4 should be. &nbsp;It is so = dumb. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Yup! &nbsp;&nbsp;That's right up there with changing Adeste Fideles a = la King's College with the elegant suspension in the first phrase on = "faith-ful". &nbsp;&nbsp;It's nice ONCE, but become very tedious stanza = after stanza. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I only used it once per hymn, usually on = stanza 3 just to see if the choir was on the ball and would follow with = the proper parts! <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_f3.1791b132.29bac530_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: 1/2 time job, Lancaster PA - (X-posted) From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 21:23:55 -0500   Dear Alan,   Thanx. Your kind. Actually, one Mrs. Arlene Volk does the web site, though I feed certain information to her that enables it to be what you = see.   Let us pray that we can bring to Grace a organist/teacher/choral trainer/lay theologian who will keep this program going ever upward. Your help toward such a goal would be greatly appreciated.   I expect to play in NYC in Apruil 2003 and will try to stop by to see you at St. Luke's.   Peace.   Cordially,   Karl   > From: "Suzanne Dodd" <parishadmin@stlukesnyc.org> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:12:52 -0500 > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: RE: 1/2 time job, Lancaster PA - (X-posted) > > Karl: > > How have I not checked your website before? It is AWESOME! (Well, I've > looked only at the part that compels me the most, of course; obviously, > it's your work.) I can only express the hope that even in retirement > you'll continue to maintain at least this part of the site--which I > needn't identify, for we all know what it would be. > > Alan Freed, also trying to retire > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Moyer [mailto:kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu] > Subject: 1/2 time job, Lancaster PA - (X-posted) > > Dear List Friends, > > There's probably no set way of knowing when to retire, but for me > various > personal "signals" have suggested that my retirement time has come at > Grace > Lutheran Church, Lancaster PA, and this evening the announcement of a > half-time position of organist and director of music has been posted on > the > church's web site. Go to > > www.GraceLutheranChurch.com > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >