PipeChat Digest #2745 - Tuesday, March 12, 2002
 
Re: Oldest pipes?
  by "Marek Miskowicz" <miskow@uci.agh.edu.pl>
Organ and Harp (XPost)
  by <Cpmnhartus@aol.com>
RE: 10 Commandments of organ practice?
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
George Ritchie's New Orgelb=FCchlein
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
Re: 10 Commandments of organ practice?
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Amateur Organist
  by "alan spence" <alan.spence@xtra.co.nz>
RE: 10 Commandments of organ practice?
  by "Nance, Daryel" <DNance@svdp-edu.org>
Re: Organ and Harp (XPost)
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: 10 Commandments of organ practice?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Amateur Organist
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
A story with a pipe organ in it
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: 10 Commandments of organ practice?
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: 10 Commandments of organ practice?
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Oldest pipes? From: "Marek Miskowicz" <miskow@uci.agh.edu.pl> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:47:09 +0100 (CET)     Thank you, John.   Marek Miskowicz   On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, John L. Speller wrote:   > Marek Miskowicz wrote: > > > Could somebody desciribe a disposition of the organ at Sion? > > The case and painted doors go back to the original > instrument of circa 1380 to 1400. The 4' and 2' Octave and > 1.1/3' Quint Minor stops are original fourteenth-century > pipework. The exact date the organ was built is not known, > but it is first recorded as already existing in 1433. The > mechanism and the rest of the pipework date from the 1718 > rebuild of the instrument by Matthias Carlen, who added the > pedals. > > Manual: C - c''' (*) > > 8' Principal C-B wood, rest metal (facade) > 4' Octave C-F grooved to Coppel, rest metal > (original) > 4' Coppel stopped wood > 2' Octave metal (original) > 2.2/3' Quint Major C-F grooved to 1.1/3', metal > 1.1/3' Quint Minor metal (original) > 1' Mixtur II metal > C-a# 22-26 > b-b' 19-22 > c''-c''' 15-19 > > Pedal: C - c' (*) > > 16' + 8' Gedackt stopped wood > > (* short octaves in bass) > > John Speller > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Organ and Harp (XPost) From: <Cpmnhartus@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:03:49 EST     --part1_119.de858a6.29bdf725_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   11 March 2002   This is a request for information on music for organ and harp, either original or transcriptions. Thank you in advance for your assistance.   George   George W. Bayley Senior U. S. Consultant Copeman Hart America 1-800-773-4858 www.copemanhart.co.uk   --part1_119.de858a6.29bdf725_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">11 March 2002 <BR> <BR>This is a request for information on music for organ and harp, either = original or transcriptions. Thank you in advance for your assistance. <BR> <BR>George <BR> <BR>George W. Bayley <BR>Senior U. S. Consultant <BR>Copeman Hart America <BR> <BR>1-800-773-4858 <BR>www.copemanhart.co.uk</FONT></HTML>   --part1_119.de858a6.29bdf725_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: 10 Commandments of organ practice? From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:32:38 -0500   >6. Thou shalt practise each composition in short segments; that thy = fingers may not break off more than thy mind can chew.   Another, I suppose venerable, means to the same end is to practice long passages or an entire movement hands alone, or right-hand and pedal, or left-hand and pedal.   Certainly most, and as I recall, all of my teachers recommended this, at least for polyphonic textures. I grew up taking the benefit of this = method for granted.   Later I discovered that some people believe it to be absurd. Is there now = a consensus on this point one way or the other?      
(back) Subject: George Ritchie's New Orgelb=FCchlein From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:45:07 -0500   Volume 5 in George Ritchie's CD recordings of the Bach organ works includ= es Orgelb=FCchlein as well as five more pieces. Ritchie plays the 83-rank ma= gnum opus of Paul Fritts at Pacific Lutheran University, Tacoma, Washington. T= his 2-CD set (at the price of one CD) is available now from http://www.ohscatalog.org and will be available in a day or so at http://www.ravencd.com    
(back) Subject: Re: 10 Commandments of organ practice? From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:30:04 EST   Dear Paul:   Albert Schweitzer wasn't far off in his assessment to play slower until its comfortable. I will add to that idea, sight read music of all styles at a certain level of difficulty until it becomes easy enough to do perfectly the first time, then go up to the next level. Keep doing that until Bach's Toccata in F major is comfortable at a slow tempo and you're almost there. Try as you might, taking that apart Rt. hand Lft. Hand Pedal is a nightmare. You simply have to have worked up to a certain level of competence to play it. No amount of Hanon or Cherny will adequately prepare you if you don't sight read. The patterns fall into place easier and faster when you've force fed on enough thoughtful sight reading. Fingerings begin to become second nature as well as pedaling. Everything comes along with time.   I must put a caveat here, this is what works for me, and not everyone will agree with me. It is just one way to achieve a goal. I'm sure there are other ways to get there. The most natural for me is to sight read. The Liturgical Organist by Rossini is a wonderful tool, and useful in service playing. The more you sight read the easier improvisation becomes and you add that to your bag of tricks. It begins to grow fruit too. My theory is that one piece builds confidence and skills for the next piece. We do have to read it in order to interpret it, don't we? Music to live and breathe, are approximations and interpretations of what is in black and white in front of you after all. You can get a = machine to play music, piano roles, but the charm of music is in its slight imperfections, and machines play perfectly every note, but it isn't music.   Being totally relaxed at the organ, fingers always in contact with the keys, and feet remaining where last played until needed work smoothest and best. It all takes time, there are no short cuts. Above all listen to others play, incorporate what you like, and dump the rest. If everybody played the same, what would be the value of going to hear others? Ideas of course.   If you tense up, you are probably trying to go faster than you are ready = to. Take your time go slow, in order to go faster and develop sooner.   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Amateur Organist From: "alan spence" <alan.spence@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:11:16 +1300   I am an enthusiastic but amateur organist, possibly just about Grade 6. I have to prepare suitable music for an opening recital on a new 2 Manual Johannus 20, 47 rank. Can anyone suggest suitable playable pieces? Thanks Alan        
(back) Subject: RE: 10 Commandments of organ practice? From: "Nance, Daryel" <DNance@svdp-edu.org> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:49:13 -0600   Very sorry I missed (or deleted) the original post of "10 commandments". Could someone repost it or forward a copy directly to my e-mail at dnance@svdp-edu.org   Thanks sooo much! Daryel   Daryel Nance St. Vincent's, Houston www.dompulbenoit.com ; www.church-organist.com ; www.daryeln.com ;     -----Original Message----- From: Emmons, Paul [mailto:pemmons@wcupa.edu] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 1:33 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: 10 Commandments of organ practice?     >6. Thou shalt practise each composition in short segments; that thy = fingers may not break off more than thy mind can chew.   Another, I suppose venerable, means to the same end is to practice long passages or an entire movement hands alone, or right-hand and pedal, or left-hand and pedal.   Certainly most, and as I recall, all of my teachers recommended this, at least for polyphonic textures. I grew up taking the benefit of this = method for granted.   Later I discovered that some people believe it to be absurd. Is there now = a consensus on this point one way or the other?       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ and Harp (XPost) From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:57:38 EST   In a message dated 3/11/02 7:05:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, Cpmnhartus@aol.com writes:   << This is a request for information on music for organ and harp, either original or transcriptions. Thank you in advance for your assistance. >>   Your best bet might be to check out large harp music dealers. They = usually seem to have lots of music of harp and "other" instruments.  
(back) Subject: Re: 10 Commandments of organ practice? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:53:56 EST     --part1_122.d985a20.29beb9b4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/11/02 8:30:53 PM !!!First Boot!!!, RonSeverin@aol.com =   writes:     > Try as you might, taking > that apart Rt. hand Lft. Hand Pedal is a nightmare.   Not to mention all those left over parts when you get it put back = together!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_122.d985a20.29beb9b4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/11/02 8:30:53 PM !!!First Boot!!!, RonSeverin@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Try as you might, = taking <BR>that apart Rt. hand Lft. Hand Pedal is a nightmare. </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Not to mention all those left over parts when you get it put back = together!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_122.d985a20.29beb9b4_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Amateur Organist From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:05:24 EST     --part1_57.7ea7c32.29bebc64_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/11/02 9:11:49 PM !!!First Boot!!!, alan.spence@xtra.co.nz writes:     > I am an enthusiastic but amateur organist, possibly just about Grade > 6. > I have to prepare suitable music for an opening recital on a new 2 > Manual Johannus 20, 47 rank. > Can anyone suggest suitable playable pieces? >   I would suggest getting "The Organ in Church" by Frank Asper, and Wedding Music - Part I (Concordia). Between these two books you should be able = to find an hour's worth of very enjoyable and accessible music. If you = want more classic type literature, the works of Pachelbel (variations) and Couperin and Dandrieu would be a good place to start. Also, the Early English Organ Music series (Oxford) would give some very high quality and enjoyable music.   For some contemporary music, Charles Callahan writes wonderfully beautiful =   pieces, Chant Sans Parole and Folk Tune immediately leap to mind.   Good luck and don't forget to order the refreshments!! (and share your program with us!)   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_57.7ea7c32.29bebc64_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/11/02 9:11:49 PM !!!First Boot!!!, alan.spence@xtra.co.nz writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I am an = enthusiastic but amateur organist, possibly just about Grade <BR>6. <BR>I have to prepare suitable music for an opening recital on a new 2 <BR>Manual Johannus 20, 47 rank. <BR>Can anyone suggest suitable playable pieces? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I would suggest getting "The Organ in Church" by Frank Asper, and = Wedding Music - Part I (Concordia). &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Between these two = books you should be able to find an hour's worth of very enjoyable and = accessible music. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If you want more classic = type literature, the works of Pachelbel (variations) and Couperin and = Dandrieu would be a good place to start. &nbsp;&nbsp;Also, the Early = English Organ Music series (Oxford) would give some very high quality and = enjoyable music. <BR> <BR>For some contemporary music, Charles Callahan writes wonderfully = beautiful pieces, Chant Sans Parole and Folk Tune immediately leap to = mind. <BR> <BR>Good luck and don't forget to order the refreshments!! &nbsp;(and = share your program with us!) <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_57.7ea7c32.29bebc64_boundary--  
(back) Subject: A story with a pipe organ in it From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:13:29 EST     --part1_41.19b32c15.29bebe49_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I've just finished my first collection of short stories, "Snuffer -- The Lighthouse Beagle." There are five stories: The Keeper's Keeper A Very Old Friend A Journey Alone The Olde House On the High Seas   In "The Olde House" there is a tour through an old salon organ. The = stories are geared to light reading and should be appropriate for children and = adults (no naught words or compromising situations!!).   The novel, "All Hail the Power" is getting yet another rewrite, and will = have more organic content as well as more interesting characters.     Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_41.19b32c15.29bebe49_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I've just finished my = first collection of short stories, "Snuffer -- The Lighthouse Beagle." = &nbsp;&nbsp;There are five stories: <BR>The Keeper's Keeper <BR>A Very Old Friend <BR>A Journey Alone <BR>The Olde House <BR>On the High Seas <BR> <BR>In "The Olde House" there is a tour through an old salon organ. = &nbsp;&nbsp;The stories are geared to light reading and should be = appropriate for children and adults (no naught words or compromising = situations!!). <BR> <BR>The novel, "All Hail the Power" is getting yet another rewrite, and = will have more organic content as well as more interesting characters. <BR> <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_41.19b32c15.29bebe49_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: 10 Commandments of organ practice? From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:19:03 EST     --part1_187.4aa1540.29bedbb7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   When I was learning the Chorale Preludes in the Liturgical Year, (closer = to 50 years ago than I would like to admit) my teacher would have me play 2 parts and sing the other. This was after playing pedals with each hand separately and manuals separately. He would also have me transpose them = to another key. When I could do all this, I could say I knew the piece, he said. Then I could play all three parts together. Lee   --part1_187.4aa1540.29bedbb7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>When I was learning the = Chorale Preludes in the Liturgical Year, (closer to 50 years ago than I = would like to admit) my teacher would have me play 2 parts and sing the = other. &nbsp;This was after playing pedals with each hand separately and = manuals separately. &nbsp;He would also have me transpose them to another = key. &nbsp;When I could do all this, I could say I knew the piece, he = said. Then I could play all three parts together. Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_187.4aa1540.29bedbb7_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: 10 Commandments of organ practice? From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:37:50 EST     --part1_16d.a1b186a.29bee01e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bruce, that is how I felt many times. LOL   --part1_16d.a1b186a.29bee01e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bruce, that is how I = felt many times. &nbsp;LOL</FONT></HTML>   --part1_16d.a1b186a.29bee01e_boundary--