PipeChat Digest #2752 - Thursday, March 14, 2002
 
Re: BACH'S 317th BIRTHDAY
  by "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
Re: 32's
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: 32's
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
Re: Bruce's preference....
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Bruce's preference....
  by <AFberlin3@aol.com>
Re: 32's
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: 32's
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: 32's
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: 32's - another Woops
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
32' stops with shared bottom notes
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: 32's
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Effective 32'  Flue Pipes
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
a HOLTKAMP rood-organ??
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: 32's
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Compton Cube, Holtkamp Polyphone
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Compton Cube, Holtkamp Polyphone
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Effective 32'  Flue Pipes
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: 32's
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
32's
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: BACH'S 317th BIRTHDAY From: "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:34:49 -0500   Dear Steve and Pipechatters,   Thanks, Steve, for posting Craig's name and official position at the US Military Academy. If you would like to hear Craig Williams in concert, please reserve the afternoon of Sunday, May 12 and come to the West Point _Cadet_ Chapel for Craig's 3 PM organ recital.   Although J. S. Bach will turn 317 next Thursday ;-) , the USMA will be 200 years old this Saturday, March 16th. A 34 cent US stamp as well as a coin featuring the academy's bicentennial will be issued at 8:30 AM EST Saturday. (If you are a philatelist or numismatist, please plan to arrive at least 90 minutes early for security check, parking and bus transportation [provided by the academy] to the exact location.)   If you wish to celebrate Bach's birthday at West Point next week with a concert, birthday cake and ice cream, please plan to arrive in the lower Hudson Valley well before noon for security check, including photo ID, getting out of the car and opening the trunk of your vehicle.   Pat Maimone patmai@juno.com Post Chapel, West Point III/57 Aeolian-Skinner/Moeller console/Gress-Miles   On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:18:45 +0000 "STEVE BOURNIAS" <yfd4@hotmail.com> writes: > The "Official" Director of Music and Organist at Cadet Chapel United > States Military Academy West Point New York is Craig S. Williams as of   > April 1, 2000.......Steve Bournias Warren, Ohio > > >From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Subject: RE: BACH'S 317th BIRTHDAY is next week.. Celebrate with us! > >Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:40:38 -0500 > > > >Sound[s] wonderful. BTW, who is the "official" if that's the proper > way to put it, organist of the Chapel at West Point?   From: Pat Maimone [mailto:patmai@juno.com] BACH's 317th birthday is 21 March: Come celebrate!   WHAT: Concert and reception for Johann Sebastian Bach (b. 21 March 1685 d. 28 July 1750)   WHEN: Thursday, 21 March 2001 at HIGH NOON   WHERE: _Old_ Cadet Chapel, 689 Washington Road, West Point, NY 10996 (in the cemetery area at the north end of post)   WHO: Very important in making this performance happen: Gary Ferguson, Organ Curator William G. Chapman, Associate Organ Curator   For info, Please reply via e-mail patmai@juno.com or yp6867@usma.edu or call Ms. Pat Maimone at 845-938-2959   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.  
(back) Subject: Re: 32's From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:43:03 EST   Hi to all and happy Yellow Alert day,   At the risk of being seriously flamed, I offer the following from another genre of pipe organs (those unit thingies which adorn some Houses of Cinematography, built by Barton, Kimball, and some company starting with a =   "W") regarding 32's.   It was not uncommon to find 32' pipes which were designed to sound two pitches, i.e., C & C#, D & D#. This was accomplished by a trap which = opened or closed, altering the column length of the pipe. It literally looked = like a trap door which acted with the appropriate pedal (closed for C, open for =   C#). They worked quite well and provided a monetary savings through their =   dual duty by saving the cost of two pipes.   I have not a clue if this approach has ever been used by a builder of straight organs for church or concert use. The mere fact that this = limited practice was employed by those <unit thingies> could be reason enough to = rule it out in some minds. I would be interested to know if anyone can comment = on this use in traditional organ design. Seems it would solve the problem of =   missing pipes while still saving money.   There! I have shared my limited knowledge of '32 pipes, did not impugn = the dignity of straight organ officiandos on list, and never mentioned theatre =   organs (oh, damn!!!).   86 degrees today in central Texas. Last week it was 16 degrees. We do = have all four seasons here. December, January, February and Summer.   Best wishes to all, Jim Pitts      
(back) Subject: Re: 32's From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:12:07 +0000       Wurlibird1@aol.com wrote: > > Hi to all and happy Yellow Alert day, > > At the risk of being seriously flamed, I offer the following from = another > genre of pipe organs (those unit thingies which adorn some Houses of > Cinematography, built by Barton, Kimball, and some company starting with = a > "W") regarding 32's. > > It was not uncommon to find 32' pipes which were designed to sound two > pitches, i.e., C & C#, D & D#. This was accomplished by a trap which = opened > or closed, altering the column length of the pipe. It literally looked = like > a trap door which acted with the appropriate pedal (closed for C, open = for > C#). They worked quite well and provided a monetary savings through = their > dual duty by saving the cost of two pipes.       Then there was the "Compton Cube" (England of course) that was supposed to play the whole 32' octave from one pipe which changed shape internally to provide the various pitches. One was installed at the old (and now demolished) St. Paul's Cathedral in Los Angeles.   Del W. Case Pacific Union College  
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce's preference.... From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:37:43 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Bruce's preference....     > Also ODD, coming from a traditionalist like Bruce (grin). Except for the > occasional English organ perched on the rood-screen (which is a GREAT > place for an organ, but American churches seldom have the height, OR a > rood-screen),   Does anyone know of any organs at all in American churches that are either on a choir screen (pulpitum) or rood screen? Personally I can't think of any.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce's preference.... From: <AFberlin3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:44:04 EST     --part1_15c.a0567ba.29c2abe4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/15/2002 2:41:59 AM W. Europe Standard Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes:     > Does anyone know of any organs at all in American churches that are = either > on a choir screen (pulpitum) or rood screen? Personally I can't think = of > any. > >   Yes. The Third Apostolic Assembly of God Church in Biloxi, Miss.   --part1_15c.a0567ba.29c2abe4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/15/2002 2:41:59 AM W. Europe Standard Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com = writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Does anyone know = of any organs at all in American churches that are either<BR> on a choir screen (pulpitum) or rood screen?&nbsp; Personally I can't = think of<BR> any.<BR> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> Yes. The Third Apostolic Assembly of God Church in Biloxi, = Miss.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_15c.a0567ba.29c2abe4_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: 32's From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:44:15 EST     --part1_29.240fee21.29c2abef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/14/02 10:51:09 PM !!!First Boot!!!, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > I didn't SAY that ... what I SAID was make C-C#-D-D#-E (F-F#, depending = on > money and space) as INDEPENDENT resultant notes, and take up the true = 32' > at F or G. A resultant tone is no less "real" from the listener's > standpoint if it's independent and tuned / voiced correctly.   I misunderstood. What you propose probably would be more successful in modern buildings. I've heard very few 32 flues that really did much. = A verra gudde idear!   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_29.240fee21.29c2abef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/14/02 10:51:09 PM !!!First Boot!!!, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I didn't SAY that = ... what I SAID was make C-C#-D-D#-E (F-F#, depending on money and space) = as INDEPENDENT resultant notes, and take up the true 32' at F or G. A = resultant tone is no less "real" from the listener's standpoint if it's = independent and tuned / voiced correctly. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I misunderstood. &nbsp;What you propose probably would be more = successful in modern buildings. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I've heard very few 32 = flues that really did much. &nbsp;&nbsp;A verra gudde idear! <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_29.240fee21.29c2abef_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: 32's From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:46:19 EST     --part1_6c.19028fc5.29c2ac6b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Jim, I remember reading about the 32' "trap" basses. I think the idea was discarded because it was difficult to make them work well. Do you know = of any extant ones that are still "trapping?"     Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_6c.19028fc5.29c2ac6b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Jim, <BR>I remember reading about the 32' "trap" basses. &nbsp;&nbsp;I think = the idea was discarded because it was difficult to make them work well. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Do you know of any extant ones that are still "trapping?" <BR> <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6c.19028fc5.29c2ac6b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: 32's From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:34:09 -0600   At 8:46 PM -0500 3/14/02, Cremona502@cs.com wrote: >Jim, >I remember reading about the 32' "trap" basses. I think the idea >was discarded because it was difficult to make them work well. Do >you know of any extant ones that are still "trapping?"   The organ at the Berkeley Community Theatre in California has one of these sets. The following is the link to a page on the Nor-Cal web site showing these 32' Diaphones with their "trap-doors". I really doubt that this would be workable however on anything other than a set of Diaphones.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: 32's - another Woops From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:35:10 -0600   i forgot the link! <G> http://www.theatreorgans.com/norcal/dia32.htm   At 8:46 PM -0500 3/14/02, Cremona502@cs.com wrote: >Jim, >I remember reading about the 32' "trap" basses. I think the idea >was discarded because it was difficult to make them work well. Do >you know of any extant ones that are still "trapping?"   The organ at the Berkeley Community Theatre in California has one of these sets. The following is the link to a page on the Nor-Cal web site showing these 32' Diaphones with their "trap-doors". I really doubt that this would be workable however on anything other than a set of Diaphones.   David  
(back) Subject: 32' stops with shared bottom notes From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:50:39 EST   Fisk Opus 92 at Church of the Transfiguration in New York City uses = low CCCC of the 32' Soubasse as the low CCCC#. I also believe that Fisk Opus = 91 in the Littlefield Residence also employs this space and fund saver. Unless you are really attuned to that final pedal point of Le Banquet Celeste, it really is not that noticeable.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: 32's From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:01:06 +0800 (CST)       On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Del Case wrote:   > > > Wurlibird1@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi to all and happy Yellow Alert day, > > > > At the risk of being seriously flamed, I offer the following from = another > > genre of pipe organs (those unit thingies which adorn some Houses of > > Cinematography, built by Barton, Kimball, and some company starting = with a > > "W") regarding 32's. > > > > It was not uncommon to find 32' pipes which were designed to sound two > > pitches, i.e., C & C#, D & D#. This was accomplished by a trap which = opened > > or closed, altering the column length of the pipe. It literally = looked like > > a trap door which acted with the appropriate pedal (closed for C, open = for > > C#). They worked quite well and provided a monetary savings through = their > > dual duty by saving the cost of two pipes. > > > > Then there was the "Compton Cube" (England of course) that was supposed > to play > the whole 32' octave from one pipe which changed shape internally to > provide the > various pitches. One was installed at the old (and now demolished) St. > Paul's > Cathedral in Los Angeles.     Was this Compton Cube very successful?   Would some members on our list be able to comment about the Compton Cube?   Thanks in advance...   Best wishes,       Morton Belcher       > > Del W. Case > Pacific Union College > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Effective 32' Flue Pipes From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:10:04 EST   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > sez:   "I've heard very few 32 flues that really did much."   It is most likely that you heard poorly voiced examples, or stops which = were put into rooms that were too small to justify or support the need for such = a voice. But if you want to hear some amazing 32' Diapasons and Violones, go = to Saint John the Divine (NYC), Woolsey Hall (New Haven), Temple Emanu-El = (NYC), or many other large venues where these 32' open pipes can strut their = stuff (Saint George's Hall, Liverpool, sports a pair of 32' Diapasons which are quite impressive). For stopped 32s, try the 32' Bourdon at First Congregational in = Columbus, Ohio, one of many fine Kimballs with open and stopped 32' flues of exceptional speech quality and firmness of fundamental. The endagered = Kimball Opus 7119 of 1933 at the Worcester Memorial Auditorium sports both a 32' Violone and a stopped 32' Major Bass. The natural, slow buildup of speech, and the settling into a seismic fundamental tone is a physical, visceral, magical phenomenon that cannot = be simulated. By they way, I forgot that 32' Diaphone at Radio City Music Hall -- neither flue nor reed, but a gut-punching skull-crusher nonetheless.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: a HOLTKAMP rood-organ?? From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:11:51 -0800   There is (or was) a DRAWING of a DIVISION (?) of such an instrument from Walter Holtkamp Sr.'s "high-church" period ... I think from around the = time (late '30s) when he built the organ for St. James Episcopal (now Anglican Catholic) Church on 55th Street in Cleveland ... a VERY ornate pinnacled Gothic case perched in a rood loft. It looked similar to the Lady Chapel = case at St. Mark's Philadelphia.   It must be nearly forty years ago that I saw a copy of the drawing, = probably at Walter Blodgett's house ... I have no idea if the organ was ever built. = I will ask Chris Holtkamp the next time I talk to him ... unfortunately, a = lot of records from that era have been lost, including the original = pen-and-ink drawing of the detached Positiv at St. James.   Cheers,   Bud   "John L. Speller" wrote:   > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:25 AM > Subject: Re: Bruce's preference.... > > > Also ODD, coming from a traditionalist like Bruce (grin). Except for = the > > occasional English organ perched on the rood-screen (which is a GREAT > > place for an organ, but American churches seldom have the height, OR a > > rood-screen), > > Does anyone know of any organs at all in American churches that are = either > on a choir screen (pulpitum) or rood screen? Personally I can't think = of > any. > > John Speller > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: 32's From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:16:32 EST   Cremona asks:   >I remember reading about the 32' "trap" basses. I think the idea was discarded because it was difficult to make them work well. Do you know = of any extant ones that are still "trapping?" <<     Aaaah......no. But David has posted about the Berkeley and that will = suffice for me.   Best to all, Jim Pitts                
(back) Subject: Compton Cube, Holtkamp Polyphone From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:27:14 -0800   I think the two were similar in design ... Holtkamp's was a great box of a thing with a separate blower ... the blower switch was on a Pedal stop tongue, and had to be engaged one piston BEFORE you wanted to use the polyphone, to give it time to get up steam. I think it worked on the same principle as the Compton Cube, or even the "trap" 32's ... the box was full of channels with valves (flaps?) that changed the length of the channel, depending on what note was played. I remember asking someone at the time how this could work, since the channels themselves were about the scale of a slender 16' Lieblich Gedeckt (!).   Christ Church (Cathedral) Cincinnati had one dating from the late '50s (?) ... that's the only one I've ever seen. As I recall, it wasn't very successful. It was removed in favour of a digitoid substitute sometime later ... possibly the '80s ...   Somewhere along the line "French" chorus reeds were also added or substituted in the Swell, and the hitch-down full organ pedal was replaced with a double-acting reversible.   That organ also had the Positiv chest on rollers, so it could be pushed back from the organ loft rail to make room for a harpsichord and/or a few desks of strings.   The organ was in a shallow bay above and behind the north side of the choir, including the console, but that's all changed now. I think the console is downstairs behind the free-standing altar, along with the choir; I don't know if they moved all or part of the organ down there as well.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Compton Cube, Holtkamp Polyphone From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:26:47 -0500   Perhaps, Bud, it was built after your time in Cleveland, but there was a Polyphone at St. Paul's, East Cleveland, where I sang for two years under Walter Blodgett. I am not sure when that organ was built, but by the time I was there, mid-50s, the thing was not working. If you tried to play it, you just heard a lot of hissing air.   I believe you will find a long thread about the Polyphone in the PipOrg-L Archives. I know it got quite a good airing some time ago.   We had talked about doing this at Christ Church, Cranbrook, where the organist very much wanted 32' tone. Unfortunately, there was not space enough even for the Polyphone, or we might well have produced one. In the end, they did the unmentionable, arranging for it themselves, as a project separate from our work. We provided the stop knob and console mechanism. It is not a thing of beauty, I am afraid.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "pipechat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:27 PM Subject: Compton Cube, Holtkamp Polyphone     > I think the two were similar in design ... Holtkamp's was a great box of > a thing with a separate blower ... the blower switch was on a Pedal stop > tongue, and had to be engaged one piston BEFORE you wanted to use the > polyphone, to give it time to get up steam. I think it worked on the > same principle as the Compton Cube, or even the "trap" 32's ... the box > was full of channels with valves (flaps?) that changed the length of the > channel, depending on what note was played. I remember asking someone at > the time how this could work, since the channels themselves were about > the scale of a slender 16' Lieblich Gedeckt (!). > > Christ Church (Cathedral) Cincinnati had one dating from the late '50s > (?) ... that's the only one I've ever seen. As I recall, it wasn't very > successful. It was removed in favour of a digitoid substitute sometime > later ... possibly the '80s ...        
(back) Subject: Re: Effective 32' Flue Pipes From: <KurtvonS@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:28:52 EST     --part1_96.233fd661.29c2d284_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/14/02 9:11:14 PM Central Standard Time, TubaMagna@aol.com writes:     > By they way, I forgot that 32' Diaphone at Radio City Music Hall -- > neither flue nor reed, but a gut-punching skull-crusher nonetheless. > >   Though Wurlitzers usually had the Diaphone as the only actual 32' stop, = our usually correct friend Sebastian is a bit off here. The RCMG organ has = two 32' stops; but they are the Bombarde, extended from the Tuba Sonora, and = the Contra Tibia Clausa. Remember that the specification was by Kimball, and therefore is a most unusal Wurlitzer with only 21 unified ranks out of 56.   --part1_96.233fd661.29c2d284_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 3/14/02 9:11:14 PM Central = Standard Time, TubaMagna@aol.com writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">By they way, I = forgot that 32' Diaphone at Radio City Music Hall -- <BR> neither flue nor reed, but a gut-punching skull-crusher nonetheless.<BR> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> Though Wurlitzers usually had the Diaphone as the only actual 32' stop, = our usually correct friend Sebastian is a bit off here.&nbsp; The RCMG = organ has two 32' stops; but they are the Bombarde, extended from the Tuba = Sonora, and the Contra Tibia Clausa. Remember that the specification was = by Kimball, and therefore is a most unusal Wurlitzer with only 21 unified = ranks out of 56.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_96.233fd661.29c2d284_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: 32's From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:28:09 -0600     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CBA7.85D832C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   In Ann Arbor (MI) there's a Karl Wilhelm installation where there wasn't = =3D enough room for the bottom five notes of the Pedal 16' Principal. He = use=3D d the Subbass and either a violone-type quint or octave rank, don't = remem=3D ber which (Martin Pasi was working for Wilhelm at the time and said they = =3D considered using a 3 1/5 rk as well but didn't have the room-so, maybe = it=3D was a quint). Anyway, the effect was perfect and the break was = undetect=3D able.   Builders: which works better, two stopped wooden ranks, or a stopped = wood=3D en fundamental rank and a violone-scale metal quint rank like some of = the=3D old builders used for monkey quints? =3D20 Cheers, =3D20 Bud =3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CBA7.85D832C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>In Ann Arbor = (=3D MI) there's a Karl Wilhelm installation where there wasn't enough room = fo=3D r the bottom five notes of the Pedal 16' Principal.&nbsp; He used the = Sub=3D bass and either a violone-type quint or octave rank, don't remember = which=3D (Martin Pasi was working for Wilhelm at the time and said they = considere=3D d using a 3 1/5 rk as well but didn't have the room-so, maybe it = <EM>was<=3D /EM> a quint).&nbsp; Anyway, the effect was perfect and the break was = und=3D etectable.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: = 0p=3D x; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; = M=3D ARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <P>Builders: which works better, two stopped wooden = ra=3D nks, or a stopped wooden fundamental rank and a violone-scale metal = quint=3D rank like some of the old builders used for monkey quints? <P>Cheers, = =3D <P>Bud </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CBA7.85D832C0--  
(back) Subject: 32's From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:37:33 -0800       Malcolm Wechsler wrote:   > We had talked about doing this at Christ Church, Cranbrook, where the > organist very much wanted 32' tone. Unfortunately, there was not space > enough even for the Polyphone, or we might well have produced one. In > the end, they did the unmentionable, arranging for it themselves, as a > project separate from our work. We provided the stop knob and console > mechanism. It is not a thing of beauty, I am afraid. > > Cheers, > > Malcolm Wechsler > www.mander-organs.com >   I wonder if a compromise something like what was done at the Tabernacle might work: make the low 12 resultant, but REINFORCE them with the digitoids, JUST FOR THE BOTTOM 12. Of course, at the Tab, they were reinforcing 32's that went all the way down.   Cheers,   Bud