PipeChat Digest #2755 - Saturday, March 16, 2002
 
Re: Effective 32'  Flue Pipes
  by "Bruce  Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Organ Stop Pizza Diaphones...
  by "Bob Richardson" <bob@peak.org>
Re: 32's
  by "Bruce  Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2754 - 03/15/02
  by "Ken_Earl01" <ken_earl01@hotmail.com>
Re: Bruce's preference....
  by <AFberlin3@aol.com>
Re: Bruce's preference....
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Bruce's preference....
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
Re: Bruce's preference....
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Effective 32' Flue Pipes From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:25:29 -0000   One thing to remember is that human ear is quite insenstive to these very low fundamental frequencies, but the brain is quite good at 'reconstructing' them from harmonics which the ear can hear. There is a little homily and demo on my website at www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/misc.html , tho' you'll need good speakers to hear it properly. .. So, generally 32' Diapasons and reeds are far more effective that Sub-bourdons and the like. I suspect that some 'good' 32' stops rely for their perceived quality on being mounted on suitably resonant floor = joists. The Compton 32' cube on the BBC Broadcasting House organ gently shakes the floor in a most effective manner. There are also some variations on the = cube around described as resonant 'coffins'.   Compton used the 'two note' pipes for the soft 16 ft bass on most of their theatre organs - very effective though regulation is critical to getting them to work well. They also commonly used a 32' Sub-bass which was Tuba down to the CCC pipe and below that a synthetic using Tibia pipes = consisting of the first few harmonics of the Tuba. Quite effective with full organ, = but not so good with any less.   Bruce Miles   mail to:- bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk website:- http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk     ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:10 AM Subject: Effective 32' Flue Pipes     > Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > sez: > > "I've heard very few 32 flues that really did much." > > It is most likely that you heard poorly voiced examples, or stops which were > put into rooms that were too small to justify or support the need for = such a > voice. But if you want to hear some amazing 32' Diapasons and Violones, = go to > Saint John the Divine (NYC), Woolsey Hall (New Haven), Temple Emanu-El (NYC), > or many other large venues where these 32' open pipes can strut their stuff > (Saint George's Hall, Liverpool, sports a pair of 32' Diapasons which = are > quite impressive). > For stopped 32s, try the 32' Bourdon at First Congregational in Columbus, > Ohio, one of many fine Kimballs with open and stopped 32' flues of > exceptional speech quality and firmness of fundamental. The endagered Kimball > Opus 7119 of 1933 at the Worcester Memorial Auditorium sports both a 32' > Violone and a stopped 32' Major Bass. > The natural, slow buildup of speech, and the settling into a seismic > fundamental tone is a physical, visceral, magical phenomenon that cannot be > simulated. > By they way, I forgot that 32' Diaphone at Radio City Music Hall -- > neither flue nor reed, but a gut-punching skull-crusher nonetheless. > > Sebastian Matthaus Gluck > New York City > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Organ Stop Pizza Diaphones... From: "Bob Richardson" <bob@peak.org> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:43:32 -0800 (PST)   > Subject: RE: Effective 32' Flue Pipes > From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net> > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:25:03 -0800 > > The '32 that moves heaven and earth for me is the 32' diaphone at Organ > Stop Pizza in Mesa, AZ...   I grew up listening to this very same Diaphone as it was then part of the Organ Grinder Pizza restaurant in Portland, OR. It's sound was one thing that got me hooked on organ music and its memory (maybe I'll get to Arizona someday and hear it again) is what I compare with all 32's I hear today.   Bob Richardson        
(back) Subject: Re: 32's From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:17:52 -0000   Morton,   The attached was addressed to me - I think it was intended for Pipechat.   I have partly replied to this on Pipechat. I don't think one cube covered = a whole octave - I think three or four was the norm. They were (or are - = there are several still extant) very effective I was have been impressed by the ones I have heard.   There are diagrams and more info in Whitworth's books on the Theatre Organ   Regards,   Bruce Miles     mail to:- bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk website:- http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk   ----- Original Message ----- From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> To: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Cc: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:01 AM Subject: Re: 32's     > > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Del Case wrote: > > > > > > > Wurlibird1@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Hi to all and happy Yellow Alert day, > > > > > > At the risk of being seriously flamed, I offer the following from another > > > genre of pipe organs (those unit thingies which adorn some Houses of > > > Cinematography, built by Barton, Kimball, and some company starting with a > > > "W") regarding 32's. > > > > > > It was not uncommon to find 32' pipes which were designed to sound = two > > > pitches, i.e., C & C#, D & D#. This was accomplished by a trap = which opened > > > or closed, altering the column length of the pipe. It literally looked like > > > a trap door which acted with the appropriate pedal (closed for C, = open for > > > C#). They worked quite well and provided a monetary savings through their > > > dual duty by saving the cost of two pipes. > > > > > > > > Then there was the "Compton Cube" (England of course) that was = supposed > > to play > > the whole 32' octave from one pipe which changed shape internally to > > provide the > > various pitches. One was installed at the old (and now demolished) = St. > > Paul's > > Cathedral in Los Angeles. > > > Was this Compton Cube very successful? > > Would some members on our list be able to comment about the Compton = Cube? > > Thanks in advance... > > Best wishes, > > > > Morton Belcher > > > > > > > Del W. Case > > Pacific Union College      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2754 - 03/15/02 From: "Ken_Earl01" <ken_earl01@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:18:45 -0000   A British perspective on the use of semi-synthetic 32 ft basses (and 16's for that matter).   There are many cathedral and church organs in the UK which contain 32 = foots which only have 6 pipes, and these are of both open and stopped variety.   The open pipe, is made shorter simply by opening a flap in the side, which uncovers a hole leading into a small diameter pipe , which is fitted with = a tuning collar.   In the case of the stopped bass, exactly the same principal and practise = is used, and the small diameter pipe is open (so you have a stopped pipe with = a hole in it!!)   In the case of stopped 16' basses, this sharing of one pipe for 2 notes = was used extensively by Compton in his smaller instruments (especially cinema organs).   The Compton polyphonic cube works in a similar manner. A 32' cube is approximately 5 feet long, 5 feet high, and 2'6" wide. The mouth is on = the 5' x 2'6" side, and is maybe 1' wide by 9" high (cut up).   On one side of the 'cube' is a series of valves which cover openings in = the side of the cube, each opening fitted with a tuning slide. The lowest = cube normally plays 7 notes, the next cube up 6 notes, and the smallest cubes 2 notes (the smallest cubes are about 9" cubed). A complete 44 note pedal rank will thus use a vertical stack of 12 cubes, each diminishing in size from the one below by a considerable amount, and the whole stands perhaps = 12 feet high, on a 5' x 5' floor area.   On the lowest cube, CCCC is played with the full volume of the cube, CCCC# uses the cube plus 1 valve, DDDD plus 2 valves, and so on. They are extremely regular in tone and volume, and although not as earthquaking as = a real open 32, certainly are better than the average 32' bourdon.   Ken.  
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce's preference.... From: <AFberlin3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:48:33 EST     --part1_f8.1864f46a.29c41a91_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/15/2002 5:32:43 PM W. Europe Standard Time, manderusa@earthlink.net writes:     > Well, I thought to myself - how bizarre - I guess some of these = Pentecostals > are seeking a touch of class, and such was my trust in your unassailable =   > integrity that I made a note that next time I am in Biloxi, I must check = it > out. Hell, however (not Felix), will have frozen over by then. > > Thanks for your wonderful posting about Ruth Plummer. >   Thank you, Malcolm! I heard that Ruth's funeral was very well attended = and I had so hoped to travel to Los Angeles to attend. However, I'm in Europe = at the moment and was very sad not to go. But I wanted everyone to know of = her passing and what a truly great person she was. She was a person who = helped many artists, and did so with humility, grace and, when it was called for, = a graceful toughness. She was a first class lady, a great example and a = hard act to follow.   Regarding the rood screen organ: My integrity is still pretty much intact =   even after my rather dry joke about the rood screen instrument in Biloxi. =   The committee there was really pushing for one, but The Very Reverend = Billy Bob Joe Bean the Preaching Machine was against it completely, due to the = fact that it would prevent him from pitching congregants over the screen and = into the large baptismal font, which is really the old swimming pool from the = even older YMCA, which was converted into first the Apostolic Evangelical Cathedral, but then adopted it's current name, 'cause 'ol Rev, Billy Bob didn't want the responsibilities of being the bishop. He was much more wanting to be the treasurer.   And where would one put all those television lights with a rood screen = organ placement standing in the way?   And now, my dear colleagues, I will sign off pipechat tomorrow night. It = was really wonderful to talk with you and receive your comments via private = email nd list mail. You are all incredibly smart and incredibly fine people. = How I wish I could participate more often, but I will drop in from time to = time to say hello. I wish you all a blessed Lenten period full of great reflection and growth. And may this coming Eastertide be one of rejoicing = in His fellowship and the great blessing of our fellowship together as those = who are united by our love of music and each other.   God bless you all, Alexander Frey   --part1_f8.1864f46a.29c41a91_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/15/2002 5:32:43 PM W. Europe Standard Time, manderusa@earthlink.net = writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Well, I thought to = myself - how bizarre - I guess some of these Pentecostals are seeking a = touch of class, and such was my trust in your unassailable integrity that = I made a note that next time I am in Biloxi, I must check it out. Hell, = however (not Felix), will have frozen over by then.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Thanks for your = wonderful posting about Ruth Plummer.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> Thank you, Malcolm!&nbsp; I heard that Ruth's funeral was very well = attended and I had so hoped to travel to Los Angeles to attend.&nbsp; = However, I'm in Europe at the moment and was very sad not to go.&nbsp; But = I wanted everyone to know of her passing and what a truly great person she = was.&nbsp; She was a person who helped many artists, and did so with humility, grace and, = when it was called for, a graceful toughness.&nbsp; She was a first class = lady, a great example and a hard act to follow.<BR> <BR> Regarding the rood screen organ:&nbsp; My integrity is still pretty much = intact even after my rather dry joke about the rood screen instrument in = Biloxi.&nbsp; The committee there was really pushing for one, but The Very = Reverend Billy Bob Joe Bean the Preaching Machine was against it = completely, due to the fact that it would prevent him from pitching = congregants over the screen and into the large baptismal font, which is = really the old swimming pool from the even older YMCA, which was converted = into first the Apostolic Evangelical Cathedral,&nbsp; but then adopted = it's current name, 'cause 'ol Rev, Billy Bob didn't want the = responsibilities of being the bishop.&nbsp; He was much more wanting to be = the treasurer.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> And where would one put all those television lights with a rood screen = organ placement standing in the way?<BR> <BR> And now, my dear colleagues, I will sign off pipechat tomorrow = night.&nbsp; It was really wonderful to talk with you and receive your = comments via private email nd list mail.&nbsp; You are all incredibly = smart and incredibly fine people.&nbsp; How I wish I could participate = more often, but I will drop in from time to time to say hello.&nbsp; I = wish you all a blessed Lenten period full of great reflection and = growth.&nbsp; And may this coming Eastertide be one of rejoicing in His = fellowship and the great blessing of our fellowship together as those who = are united by our love of music and each other.<BR> <BR> God bless you all,<BR> Alexander Frey</FONT></HTML>   --part1_f8.1864f46a.29c41a91_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce's preference.... From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:02:02 -0600   At 10:48 PM -0500 03/15/2002, AFberlin3@aol.com wrote:   >And now, my dear colleagues, I will sign off pipechat tomorrow >night. It was really wonderful to talk with you and receive your >comments via private email nd list mail. You are all incredibly >smart and incredibly fine people. How I wish I could participate >more often, but I will drop in from time to time to say hello. I >wish you all a blessed Lenten period full of great reflection and >growth. And may this coming Eastertide be one of rejoicing in His >fellowship and the great blessing of our fellowship together as >those who are united by our love of music and each other.   Alexander   i do hope that you will come back from time to time, when you have the time to participate. i for one have enjoyed having you join us.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce's preference.... From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:40:37 -0800 (PST)   Being from Mississippi, I can't imagine an Assembly of   God church having a pipe organ. For their music, a Hammond with Lesbian speakers would suit their needs.   D. Keith Morgan     --- AFberlin3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/15/2002 2:09:06 PM W. Europe > Standard Time, > Cremona502@cs.com writes: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/15/02 1:44:55 AM !!!First > Boot!!!, AFberlin3@aol.com > > writes: > > > > > > >> Yes. The Third Apostolic Assembly of God Church > in Biloxi, Miss. > > > > Huh! Explain, please. > > > > > > Oh, OK. The above was a joke, since organs on rood > screens are normally > found in England in large churches (mostly > Anglican). Now do you get it? >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce's preference.... From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:22:52 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 1:40 AM Subject: Re: Bruce's preference....     > Being from Mississippi, I can't imagine an Assembly of > > God church having a pipe organ. For their music, a > Hammond with Lesbian speakers would suit their needs. > > D. Keith Morgan   The Electro-Voice Tri-sexuals were much better than those other speakers. IMHO..   signed, Saul B. Marantz (deceased)