PipeChat Digest #2758 - Sunday, March 17, 2002
 
Re: Terminology
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Terminology
  by "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com>
Re: engaging and disengaging...
  by <PHarri5833@aol.com>
Re: engaging and disengaging...
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Terminology From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:31:51 -0800       David Carter wrote:   > Good Evening Pipechatters - > I have been on the pipechat list for almost two years, and I thoroughly > enjoy reading the posts from folks worldwide concerning my favorite = musical > instrument. > > My query to the list tonight is: could someone explain, or perhaps point = me > to a website, the definitions of terms such as: chancel, gallery, = narthex, > "west-end", etc. This will help me visualize when these terms are used = in > reference to organ location, etc.   Liturgical churches (old ones, at least) face east. Many are in the shape = of a cross. The altar is in the east end. Sometimes the altar itself is in a semi-circular or octagonal-shaped "crown" at the east end, called the = "apse".   The "Quire" or "Choir", capital C, is the area between the altar and the "crossing", where the arms of the cross meet. The "choir stalls" face each = other (north and south), rather than facing the congregation, as many parts of = the service are sung "antiphonally" (from side to side of the choir), or used = to be.   The east end or Great Quire is divided into "chancel" (the choir stalls) = and "sanctuary" (the area between the communion rail and the east wall, = formerly entered only by those in Holy Orders).   In very old churches, there is sometimes a screen, called "pulpitum" or "rood-screen" that separates the east end from the crossing. In English churches, it is sometimes two or three bays (arches in the side aisles) = deep from east to west, and has a "rood-loft" on top, where many English = churches had their organs formerly. A few still do (King's College). If you watched = Princess Di's funeral, one of the choirs sang from the rood-loft, but Westminster = Abbey's organ was sawed in half from front to back and placed in the side = triforium galleries many years ago. The "triforium" is simply a side gallery that = runs right round the entire church, in the case of the Abbey.   The "rood" itself is the great Crucifix with the figures of St. Mary and = St. John that hangs at the entrance to the chancel.   The two side arms of the cross are called the north (left) and south = (right) transepts.   The area from the crossing to the narthex is called the "nave" from = "navis" (ship) ... the people's church.   A "gallery" can be anywhere ... but usually when we say "gallery" we mean = the WEST gallery, at the opposite end of the church from the altar.   The narthex is simply a vestibule in the west end, sometimes under the = gallery.   Cheers,   Bud   > > > Since I am LDS, allow me to share the similar terms used in our church: > Chapel: The space where our main Sunday worship (known as Sacrament = Meeting > is held > Stand: Located at the front of the chapel, usually raised 18" to 24", = where > the organ and piano are situated, where the choir sits, where the Ward > Bishop and his counselors sit, and also the sacrament table, where the = bread > and water are placed. > Cultural Hall: a large room, usually with a basketball court and stage, > where dinners, parties and other gatherings are held. > > David Carter > Sacramento, CA > Currently, the land of screwy weather. They predicted a huge storm for = this > weekend, so far we've only had a small amount of rain last night. Since = it > didn't rain today, I had to mow the lawn, which I haven't had to do for = 18 > years. I've lived in apartments for 17 years, just moved into a real = house, > with a lawn, real garage, and lots (relatively speaking) of space for = all > the STUFF my wife and I have accumulated in the 10.5 years of our = marriage. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at = http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Terminology From: "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 05:59:18   Thanks, Bud for your response...   David     >From: quilisma@socal.rr.com >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Re: Terminology >Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:31:51 -0800 > >     _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: engaging and disengaging... From: <PHarri5833@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 03:17:33 EST     --part1_21.1ab34579.29c5ab1d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 17/03/02 05:33:18 GMT Standard Time, MFoxy9795@aol.com writes:   > I thought I had a sub organist gig for tomorrow. It had been arranged = back > in early February with the choir director from a church which is at = quite a > distance from me, where I have never been before. Based on this > conversation, I had the date, Mar. 17, written in my planner. > > Since i had not heard from the choir director since then, I called her = this > morning. She said she had totally forgotten about engaging me for = tomorrow > and apologetically said she had engaged someone else. After a moment of =   > shocked silence, I mentioned that I had passed up other gigs and = wondered > about whether or what I would be paid. She said she understood my = position > although the church could not pay two organists. She then suggested she =   > dismantle her arrangement with the other organist, and I protested that > that would not be fair to this other organist. We left it that the > arrangement with the other organist would stand, and she would get back = to > me about what if anything they would pay me. > What say ye list members? > > Merry Foxworth   It all depends how perfect a world you manage to maintain around yourself. =   I'm sympathetic to your situation but it does sound like a case of a = genuine error on the choir director's part which has just become more confused as = she attempted to resolve it whilst you went unobtainable!   If your income from freelance playing is important to you, consider the PR =   angle. A helpful and flexible attitude will speak well and perhaps lead to =   other work. A dogmatic, inflexible one is likely to have the opposite = effect. If I were the choir director faced with two freelance organists, one of = whom sympathised with my dilemma and offered to step aside and another who insisted on their rights, I know to which I'd feel gratitude and would certainly be booking next time.   Whether the other player was happy is not your concern and at your = insistence the choir director has honoured her agreement with you. If you hope to be paid, you cannot reasonably decline to play.   Peter   Peter M Harrison Emmanuel Church, Holcombe : Ramsbottom : GB   & P H Music 48 Moorfield : Edgworth Bolton : Lancs : BL7 0DH : GB fax: +44 (0)1204 853445 : tel: +44 (0)1204 853310 web: www.phmusic.co.uk   --part1_21.1ab34579.29c5ab1d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 17/03/02 05:33:18 GMT = Standard Time, MFoxy9795@aol.com writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I thought I had a = sub organist gig for tomorrow.&nbsp; It had been arranged back in early = February with the choir director from a church which is at quite a = distance from me, where I have never been before. Based on this = conversation, I had the date, Mar. 17, written in my planner.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Since i had not heard from the choir director since then, I called her = this morning.&nbsp; She said she had totally forgotten about engaging me = for tomorrow and apologetically said she had engaged someone else.&nbsp; = After a moment of shocked silence, I mentioned that I had passed up other = gigs and wondered about whether or what I would be paid.&nbsp; She said = she understood my position although the church could not pay two = organists.&nbsp; She then suggested she dismantle her arrangement with the = other organist, and I protested that that would not be fair to this other = organist.&nbsp; We left it that the arrangement with the other organist = would stand, and she would get back to me about what if anything they = would pay me.<BR> What say ye list members?<BR> <BR> Merry Foxworth</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> It all depends how perfect a world you manage to maintain around yourself. I'm sympathetic to your situation but it does = sound like a case of a genuine error on the choir director's part which = has just become more confused as she attempted to resolve it whilst you = went unobtainable!<BR> <BR> If your income from freelance playing is important to you, consider the PR = angle. A helpful and flexible attitude will speak well and perhaps lead to = other work. A dogmatic, inflexible one is likely to have the opposite = effect. If I were the choir director faced with two freelance organists, = one of whom sympathised with my dilemma and offered to step aside and = another who insisted on their rights, I know to which I'd feel gratitude = and would certainly be booking next time.<BR> <BR> Whether the other player was happy is not your concern and at your = insistence the choir director has honoured her agreement with you. If you = hope to be paid, you cannot reasonably decline to play.<BR> <BR> Peter<BR> <BR> Peter M Harrison<BR> Emmanuel Church, Holcombe : Ramsbottom : GB<BR> <BR> &amp; P H Music<BR> 48 Moorfield : Edgworth<BR> Bolton : Lancs : BL7 0DH : GB<BR> fax: +44 (0)1204 853445 : tel: +44 (0)1204 853310<BR> web: www.phmusic.co.uk</FONT></HTML>   --part1_21.1ab34579.29c5ab1d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: engaging and disengaging... From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:43:58 +0800 (CST)   Greetings to all!   I am a sub --- generally just in the Summer, but if our church organist cannot do a service and I'm in town, my church will usually get in touch with me... sometimes without much notice (e. g., the night before the day of a funeral)... On one occasion our organist *forgot* to come to a funeral of one of our long-time church members... I mentioned to the rector that the hymns would not be any problem... so about 8 minutes before the beginning of the funeral when it became obvious that our organist was not going to make it in time, I started to play the service.   On one other occasion, I was playing for a church during the six weeks that the very wonderful and kind organist was on vacation. During that summer two funerals came up... Yes, I did play for the funerals without any remuneration (the regular organist apparently did this as she felt that a yearly average of "x" number of funerals were included in her salary. The next summer the rector told me that he agreed that as a sub that I should be paid if any funerals came up... Since they asked me to play for the funerals, I thought I would be responsible for playing for all the weddings... I found out later that that was not the case, although nothing had been said to me... At least I knew that at this summer position that I would be asked to play only for funerals and not for weddings, but it did annoy me a bit that I had to find out the "hard" way that I would not be playing for any weddings...   One former organist/choirmaster of a church who was a member of another list used to use this method re: weddings:   He would send out a form for a representative (s) of the wedding party to fill out confirming the date of the wedding and thus that his services as a musician were needed.   If the form never came back and the party then called him about the forthcoming wedding, he would very innocently say something to the effect that "Oh, I haven't received your form yet, so I haven't placed you on my calandar. Are you still interested in having me play for your wedding? [Answer 99 percent of the time: "Oh, Yes, Yes!"] Well, let me check my calandar.... Yes, I am still free on that day... Please send back your form with your money, and I will see you at the church on ___ for the rehearsal."   Almost without fail, the form arrived in the mail the next day...     And yes, it is very irritating when one has reserved a Sunday and finds out there has been a mixup... Perhaps a diplomatic way in this case would be just to let the other organist play, but to never agree to play at that church in the future as long as the person who engaged you is serving at that church...   Another possibility is to write to the individual or governing body who is the superior of the person who hired you.... E. G. in the Episcopal Churches the Rector is the authority of all things musical... In other churches it may be the Minister or it may be a governing body... I know if I had made a mistake and hired two people and I had gotten chastised by the Rector or appropriate governing body/individual I would feel most embarrassed... And if the church didn't like the incumbent org/chm, he/she might find himself out of a job...   And you might mention this matter to the local A. G. O. chapter individual who is in charge of helping churches find substitutes...   This past summer when I played for one particular church the Senior Minister sent me a nice letter confirming that I was going to play for services on designated days and asking me for my Prelude and I think Postlude and a few sentences that the church could put in the bulletin telling the congregation about myself...   I rather like the suggestion of Mr. Gettelman asking for a faxed or mailed letter of intent... As a rule, I have not received such documents, but when things are in writing one would feel comfortable... But think about life as a whole... sometimes things are put in writing and misunderstandings/flubups can still occur...   Yes, it is not right for such things to happen, but sometimes it seems like all we can do is to "roll with the punches..."   Have such mixups happened very often in the past?   As a particular Sunday approaches when I'm to play at a church, I try and keep in contact with that church... to thus avoid any flubups... And even before each service, if the Minister can spare me a moment, I ask him/her, "Is there anything you need to tell me?"   One Sunday a minister was *very* glad that I did touch base with her... It seemed that on that Sunday we had to perform a Baptism which had been postponed from a previous day (I think the baby had gotten sick)...   Just some random thoughts...     Any other opinions?     Best wishes to all,       Morton Belcher