PipeChat Digest #2762 - Monday, March 18, 2002
 
Re: engaging and disengaging...
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: cockups
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re: One possible solution
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: The French Connection
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Trends in color and finish of pipes
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: engaging and disengaging...
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: One possible solution
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: cockups< Hammond Humour>
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Changing e-mail....
  by "Dennis Stoia" <dstoia@yahoo.com>
Re: cockups< Hammond Humour>
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: cockups< Hammond Humour>
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Holy Week
  by "r" <basset3@citlink.net>
OFF-TOPIC Re: Holy Week attendance
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: Claude Means (X-posted)
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: engaging and disengaging... From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:54:24 EST   i have been reading with interest the replies to this post. the twist in = the whole situation was not that she forgot she had booked me and booked = someone else, which i am sure was an honest mistake, but that she had = disengaged the other one without getting the firm understanding that i = would play after all, since we left it that the other one would play, and = i was out all day saturday and did not get her messages until about 11 pm. merry  
(back) Subject: Re: cockups From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:53:57 EST     --part1_f8.188289b6.29c74b75_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Ross,   I am sitting here busting a gut over these stories. What a great = way to relax and have coffee after the 5 service weekend marathon at church. Enjoy the day.   Thanks,   Daniel   --part1_f8.188289b6.29c74b75_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3>Dear Ross,<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I am sitting here busting a gut over = these stories. What a great way to relax and have coffee after the 5 = service weekend marathon at&nbsp; church. Enjoy the day.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Thanks,<BR> <BR> Daniel</FONT></HTML>   --part1_f8.188289b6.29c74b75_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: One possible solution From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:57:56 EST   well, this is a surefire way to ensure they will NEVER have a qualified = organist to play!! what will be there to play in there, i wonder, when = they take this out??? Merry   In a message dated Mon, 18 Mar 2002 2:47:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, = LLWheels@aol.com writes: > > The church has a nice 6 rank Kilgen & Sons pipe organ for sale. In = addition to 6 ranks of pipes there is also a chime stop composed of 20 = chimes and action. The console is a beautiful walnut 2 manual with a full = pedalboard. Everything is complete and playing. The church is selling = because they do not have a qualified organist to play it. Specifications = and description are available through our organ man at the phone number = and so on and so on.................. > > As my grand-nephew would say -- DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   > Larry Wheelock > Madison, Wisconsin      
(back) Subject: Re: The French Connection From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:21:38 EST     --part1_167.a8dac0b.29c751f2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/17/02 9:57:32 PM !!!First Boot!!!, patmai@juno.com writes:     > Mike Gettelman mike3247@earthlink.net wrote: > > I would bet the Gigout would sound stunning in the Old Chapel > > considering the generous Pedal Division. I have heard that really > > successful 32' reed stops sound smooth as an old Buick at idle, > > > As a wannabe pipe organ voicer, I would love to specialize in > > the lower compass of foundation stops. Where the upper work > >seems all about sonic balance, the foundation adds the visceral > >dimension of feeling as well as hearing.   hmmmm.... I can see it now.... 32' Contra Glass Pack you could revolutionize reed choruses.... ;-)   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_167.a8dac0b.29c751f2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/17/02 9:57:32 PM !!!First Boot!!!, patmai@juno.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Mike Gettelman = mike3247@earthlink.net wrote: <BR>&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I would bet the Gigout would sound = stunning in the Old Chapel <BR>&gt; considering the generous Pedal Division. I have heard that really <BR>&gt; successful 32' reed stops sound smooth as an old Buick at idle, <BR> <BR>&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;As a wannabe pipe organ voicer, I would = love to specialize in <BR>&gt; the lower compass of foundation stops. Where the upper work <BR>&gt;seems all about sonic balance, the foundation adds the visceral <BR>&gt;dimension of feeling as well as hearing. </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>hmmmm.... &nbsp;I can see it now.... 32' Contra Glass Pack = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;you could revolutionize reed choruses.... &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_167.a8dac0b.29c751f2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Trends in color and finish of pipes From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:25:09 EST     --part1_14b.aa2f4bb.29c752c5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     > In a message dated 3/13/2002 11:09:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > TubaMagna@aol.com writes: > > > >> Although I have never stenciled pipes, I have enameled tuning sleeves = in >> >     This sounds like a wonderful solution, especially for someone like me who really does not like the appearance of tuning collars I would really = like to see a photo of such an instrument. I believe a Hook & Hastings at the =   Boston OHS convention had a similar treatment, although I don't think = there were tuning collars, but just that much of the pipe was highly decorated.   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_14b.aa2f4bb.29c752c5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">In a message dated = 3/13/2002 11:09:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, TubaMagna@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Although I have = never stenciled pipes, I have enameled tuning sleeves in <BR>various jewel tones to match those found in a stained glass window. = </BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR> <BR>This sounds like a wonderful solution, especially for someone like me = who really does not like the appearance of tuning collars &nbsp;&nbsp;I = would really like to see a photo of such an instrument. &nbsp;&nbsp;I = believe a Hook &amp; Hastings at the Boston OHS convention had a similar = treatment, although I don't think there were tuning collars, but just that = much of the pipe was highly decorated. <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_14b.aa2f4bb.29c752c5_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: engaging and disengaging... From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:15:06 -0600   MFoxy9795@aol.com wrote:   <Snippage> >. . but that she had disengaged the other one without getting the > firm understanding that i would play after all, since we left it that > = the other one would play   Merry,   Sounds to me that this person needs a lesson in arranging things and then CONFIRMING them! It's a wonder that this problem hasn't reared its ugly head in the past, if this is the typical modus operandi of this person. At least you know you might have to follow-up for yourself should this situation occur in the future.   Of course, making yourself unavailable thereafter didn't help matters, either.   Faithfully, -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL  
(back) Subject: Re: One possible solution From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:16:46 -0600   MFoxy9795@aol.com wrote: > well, this is a surefire way to ensure they will NEVER have a > = qualified organist to play!! what will be there to play in there, i > = wonder, when they take this out???   You can bet it'll be a keyboard or Geetars!   Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL  
(back) Subject: Re: cockups< Hammond Humour> From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:51:26 EST   Dear Ross:   You know better than to try to kill a Hammond wheelie. The cockup is what the wheelie does to the organist, not the other way around. :)   Let's see, the Hammond wheelie is 12 plus 42, 54 years old and is still playing. Will we be able to make the same claim? :)   You'll probably relate to this story. I had the opportunity to let two of these go to the great landfill cemetary, DOA. I did a little tinkering just to be sure of their demise. Both sparked to life in a few minutes, and will probably play long after I am gone. The Hammond/Suzuki may be a different matter. :) These both filled with iron ice, and a bit of = gold channel cleaner and some precious Hammond oil was all they needed to harass another generation of hapless organists. I guess I have a mean streak of sorts. :) I just couldn't resist, I had to make sure they = were really dead before sending them off to their fate. I always heard that you couldn't kill one and I did have to make sure. :)   From the brink of DOA,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Changing e-mail.... From: "Dennis Stoia" <dstoia@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:49:16 -0800 (PST)   Hi all,   I just wanted to thank everyone, especially Noel S., Bruce C., Victoria, Dave B., Michael D., David S., and Rick L. for responding to my first posting. I have not had a chance to reply but am currently in the process of putting together a compilation response.   Also, I am changing my e-mail address since the huge influx of pipechat e-mails needs more room.   Thanks, Dennis   P.S. My new e-mail address is hcbaroque@yahoo.com.   P.S.S. for some reason, my "subscribe"[ing] to pipechat with that e-mail is not working. Anyone know why?   Thanks again.   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: cockups< Hammond Humour> From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:45:10 +1200   "54 years old and is still playing. Will we be able to make the same = claim?" Yes, Ron, you and I are both MORE than 54 and are indeed still playing. = It's a comofrt to know we are at least as good as a hammond!!! The oldest hammong I know is the one in Rowlstone parish church on the borders of Wales in the Black Mountains. The thing was installed (well, = put in a corner and plugged in) back in 1935, about a year or 2 after they = were first made, and the thing has NEVER ONCE had a fault. Mind you, it = wouldn't dare in that little ancient church. They only got electricity in to power the blighter. And they still have (and use) the prickets. [For those who don't know pirickets - they are iron brackets that swing about a yard out from the walls about 8ft off the ground, with spikes = along them to hold about 8 to 10 candles each. Ancient ones now very rare]. Ross -----Original Message----- From: RonSeverin@aol.com <RonSeverin@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 5:52 AM Subject: Re: cockups< Hammond Humour>     >Dear Ross: > >You know better than to try to kill a Hammond wheelie. The cockup >is what the wheelie does to the organist, not the other way around. :) > >Let's see, the Hammond wheelie is 12 plus 42, 54 years old and is >still playing. Will we be able to make the same claim? :) > >You'll probably relate to this story. I had the opportunity to let two of >these go to the great landfill cemetary, DOA. I did a little tinkering >just to be sure of their demise. Both sparked to life in a few minutes, >and will probably play long after I am gone. The Hammond/Suzuki may >be a different matter. :) These both filled with iron ice, and a bit of gold >channel cleaner and some precious Hammond oil was all they needed >to harass another generation of hapless organists. I guess I have a >mean streak of sorts. :) I just couldn't resist, I had to make sure they were >really dead before sending them off to their fate. I always heard that = you >couldn't kill one and I did have to make sure. :) > >From the brink of DOA, > >Ron Severin > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: cockups< Hammond Humour> From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:56:00 -0500   Dear Ron and Ross, Despite all the humor regarding ye old Hammond, here are many = organists playing pipe organs who started off on Hammonds. I know that if it be my depending on a church to attempt to play an organ, I would never have developed an interest in organ. (More of an obsession,) Acutally my first organ was a Hammond spinet M-3. The next was a Hammond A-100 with two full manuals and 25 on the floor. It wasn't until I was in my late thirties = that I could afford a full 32 pedal clavier. You can;t raise three kids, pay a mortgage and put food on the table and have much descretionary income = left. When I had gone through some of the Stainer's, it was recommended = that I find a full AGO spec organ to play. It was only then, after my teacher pulled some strings, that I was able to practice on a pipe organ and only = if I played Mass every morning prior to class. Such was the situation in the 50's. At my home church, there was a RT-3 Hammond in the loft and only in 1962, did the church buy an Allen, TC-6. By that time I was long gone. The Hammond was like the Eveready Bunny. It just kept running and running. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: Re: cockups< Hammond Humour>     > Dear Ross: > > You know better than to try to kill a Hammond wheelie. The cockup > is what the wheelie does to the organist, not the other way around. :) > > Let's see, the Hammond wheelie is 12 plus 42, 54 years old and is > still playing. Will we be able to make the same claim? :) > > You'll probably relate to this story. I had the opportunity to let two = of > these go to the great landfill cemetary, DOA. I did a little tinkering > just to be sure of their demise. Both sparked to life in a few minutes, > and will probably play long after I am gone. The Hammond/Suzuki may > be a different matter. :) These both filled with iron ice, and a bit of gold > channel cleaner and some precious Hammond oil was all they needed > to harass another generation of hapless organists. I guess I have a > mean streak of sorts. :) I just couldn't resist, I had to make sure they were > really dead before sending them off to their fate. I always heard that = you > couldn't kill one and I did have to make sure. :) > > From the brink of DOA, > > Ron Severin > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Holy Week From: "r" <basset3@citlink.net> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:39:18 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001F_01C1CE93.10DE4100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I have an easy reality-based answer: congregants no longer turn out for = =3D Holy Week services. They're off dyeing eggs, visiting Aunt Tillie, =3D shopping for Easter outfits, planning trips to relations in another =3D state, school activities, etc.   Good Friday extravaganzas have fallen by the wayside. Our choir worked = =3D for weeks and only 17 showed up. It was dismal. In my town, chuches =3D now combine for an ecumenical service just to fill a few pews.   Why did we switch?   Pastor said, "I concede to modern times. I can't have my congregation go = =3D from Palms to Resurrection. Since they don't show up on Good Fri., I'll = =3D do it the Sun. before." So it's litury of the palms halfway through, =3D then switches to reading of the passion story intersperced with choir =3D selections--When I Survey, Beneath, & Were you there. Nail 'em while =3D they are in the pews. =3D20   You will experience Holy Week even if I have to do it all in one day!!   That's it in a nutshell. Don't even start on Maundy Thursday. Big city churches can still draw; suburban ones have a tough time.   Robert Clooney   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001F_01C1CE93.10DE4100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have an easy reality-based =3D answer:&nbsp;=3D20 congregants no longer turn out for Holy Week services.&nbsp; They're off = =3D dyeing=3D20 eggs, visiting Aunt Tillie, shopping for Easter outfits, planning trips = =3D to=3D20 relations in another state, school activities, etc.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Good Friday extravaganzas have fallen = =3D by the=3D20 wayside.&nbsp; Our choir worked for weeks and only 17 showed up.&nbsp; =3D It was=3D20 dismal.&nbsp; In my town, chuches now combine for an ecumenical service = =3D just to=3D20 fill a few pews.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Why did we switch?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Pastor said, "I concede to modern =3D times. I can't=3D20 have my congregation go from Palms to Resurrection.&nbsp; Since they =3D don't show=3D20 up on Good Fri., I'll do it the Sun. before."&nbsp; So it's litury of =3D the palms=3D20 halfway through, then switches to reading of the passion story =3D intersperced with=3D20 choir selections--When I Survey, Beneath, &amp; Were you there.&nbsp; =3D Nail 'em=3D20 while they are in the pews.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>You will experience Holy Week even if = I =3D have to do=3D20 it all in one day!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>That's it in a nutshell.&nbsp; Don't = =3D even start on=3D20 Maundy Thursday.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Big city churches can still draw; =3D suburban ones=3D20 have a tough time.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Robert =3D Clooney</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001F_01C1CE93.10DE4100--    
(back) Subject: OFF-TOPIC Re: Holy Week attendance From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:15:59 -0800     --------------062837BCE980A71A6A0FF570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I suppose one could blame "the times" ... but then I read the old hymn:   "Be not faithless, but believing ... "   Even our VERY faithful congregation (an average of 150 out of 200 show up EVERY SUNDAY) stays away from Holy Week in DROVES, *except* for Good Friday. Maundy Thursday and Easter Vigil are the devout few.   Some blame the neighborhood; some blame the evening hour (Good Friday is at 3 p.m.).   Maybe it will improve when we move into the new church ... better area, lighted parking, easier access to the freeways.   Three years running, the Rector and I did everything but turn cartwheels up and down the center aisle to get people to come ... he preached; I wrote Liturgy and Music Notes; we begged; we pleaded ... particularly for people to come to the Easter Vigil.   Result: NADA.   Last year we sang the Easter Vigil for a congregation of SEVEN. I've given up having the choir ... we have two chanters.   This year should be better ... we have baptisms.   I have to say that neither neighborhood, hour, access or anything ELSE used to stop the anglo-catholics from packing the churches during Holy Week in the OLD days, and THEY came Wednesday night for Tenebrae as well, PLUS Tenebrae AFTER the Maundy Thursday and Good Friday liturgies.   I may complain about all the work and the length of the services, but I cannot IMAGINE *not* going to them.   Cheers,   Bud       r wrote:   > I have an easy reality-based answer: congregants no longer turn out > for Holy Week services. They're off dyeing eggs, visiting Aunt > Tillie, shopping for Easter outfits, planning trips to relations in > another state, school activities, etc. Good Friday extravaganzas have > fallen by the wayside. Our choir worked for weeks and only 17 showed > up. It was dismal. In my town, chuches now combine for an ecumenical > service just to fill a few pews. Why did we switch? Pastor said, "I > concede to modern times. I can't have my congregation go from Palms to > Resurrection. Since they don't show up on Good Fri., I'll do it the > Sun. before." So it's litury of the palms halfway through, then > switches to reading of the passion story intersperced with choir > selections--When I Survey, Beneath, & Were you there. Nail 'em while > they are in the pews. You will experience Holy Week even if I have to > do it all in one day!! That's it in a nutshell. Don't even start on > Maundy Thursday.Big city churches can still draw; suburban ones have a > tough time. Robert Clooney   --------------062837BCE980A71A6A0FF570 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> I suppose one could blame "the times" ... but then I read the old hymn: <p>"Be not faithless, but believing ... " <p>Even our VERY faithful congregation (an average of 150 out of 200 show up EVERY SUNDAY) stays away from Holy Week in DROVES, *except* for Good Friday. Maundy Thursday and Easter Vigil are the devout few. <p>Some blame the neighborhood; some blame the evening hour (Good Friday is at 3 p.m.). <p>Maybe it will improve when we move into the new church ... better area, lighted parking, easier access to the freeways. <p>Three years running, the Rector and I did everything but turn = cartwheels up and down the center aisle to get people to come ... he preached; I = wrote Liturgy and Music Notes; we begged; we pleaded ... particularly for people to come to the Easter Vigil. <p>Result: NADA. <p>Last year we sang the Easter Vigil for a congregation of SEVEN. I've given up having the choir ... we have two chanters. <p>This year should be better ... we have baptisms. <p>I have to say that neither neighborhood, hour, access or anything ELSE used to stop the anglo-catholics from packing the churches during Holy Week in the OLD days, and THEY came Wednesday night for Tenebrae as well, PLUS Tenebrae AFTER the Maundy Thursday and Good Friday liturgies. <p>I may complain about all the work and the length of the services, but I cannot IMAGINE *not* going to them. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <p>r wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><style></style> <font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>I have an easy reality-based answer:&nbsp; congregants no longer turn out for Holy Week services.&nbsp; They're off dyeing eggs, visiting Aunt = Tillie, shopping for Easter outfits, planning trips to relations in another state, school activities, etc.</font></font>&nbsp;<font face=3D"Arial"><font = size=3D-1>Good Friday extravaganzas have fallen by the wayside.&nbsp; Our choir worked for weeks and only 17 showed up.&nbsp; It was dismal.&nbsp; In my town, chuches now combine for an ecumenical service just to fill a few = pews.</font></font>&nbsp;<font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>Why did we switch?</font></font>&nbsp;<font face=3D"Arial"><font = size=3D-1>Pastor said, "I concede to modern times. I can't have my congregation go from Palms to Resurrection.&nbsp; Since they don't show up on Good Fri., I'll do it the Sun. before."&nbsp; So it's litury of the palms halfway through, then switches to reading of the passion story intersperced with choir = selections--When I Survey, Beneath, &amp; Were you there.&nbsp; Nail 'em while they are in the pews.</font></font>&nbsp;<font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>You = will experience Holy Week even if I have to do it all in one = day!!</font></font>&nbsp;<font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>That's it in a nutshell.&nbsp; Don't even start on Maundy = Thursday.</font></font><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>Big city churches can still draw; suburban ones have a tough = time.</font></font>&nbsp;<font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>Robert Clooney</font></font></blockquote>   </body> </html>   --------------062837BCE980A71A6A0FF570--    
(back) Subject: RE: Claude Means (X-posted) From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:38:26 -0500   He was a tradition as long-time Organist-Choirmaster at Christ Church, Greenwich.   He would send choristers to Wa-Li-Ro; I remember one in 1969 or 1970, who perhaps reflected some of his choirmaster's traits-- a freckle-faced boy named Maben who was quiet, polite, and even-tempered rather than brash. During the award ceremony at the end of the week, = while giving him his ribbon, Warren Miller commended him also for outstanding cheerfulness.   I recall singing, or at least singing through, an anthem or two of his, as well. It's not music out to make a splash but, as you said, to fulfill = its liturgical role graciously and exquisitely.   A choirmaster friend of mine mentioned yesterday an interesting quotation = in the NPR program "Sound and Spirit." This particular program featured = female mystics; one of them a Hindu in India, spoke metaphorically of wanting to ride on an elephant-- majestic, lofty, gentle, and long-lived; and = objecting because she was being forced, figuratively, to ride on a mule instead. = He thought, "right on!"-- this is a perfect image of what the church too = often forces upon people musically. By contrast with happy-crappy ass-music, I think Claude Means's music would be a good example of the spacious and gentle ride on the elephant.