PipeChat Digest #2764 - Tuesday, March 19, 2002
 
Re: OFF-TOPIC Re: Holy Week attendance, and 9/11
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com>
Re: Service List - Passion Sunday - St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Churc
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com>
Re: OFF-TOPIC Re: Holy Week attendance
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
RE: St. Agatha's and Joan Lippincott too
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com>
Possible misprint?
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Web-site: publication?  (x-posted)
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Good Friday
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Engaging and Disengaging
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Good Friday
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: engaging and disengaging...
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: engaging and disengaging...
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: cockups< Hammond Humour>
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: love and all that (was:St. Agatha's and Joan Lippincott too)
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC Re: Holy Week attendance, and 9/11 From: "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:39:39 -0800 (PST)   --- quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > Bud wrote: > > > Last year we sang the Easter Vigil for a > > > congregation of SEVEN. I've > > > given up having the choir ... we have two > chanters. This year should be better ... we have baptisms. > > Alan wrote:> > > > Baptisms are essential. If you ain't > evangelizing, you won't have them. We have a new pastor, and he's ENRICHED the Vigil, AND sought out those in need of baptism. We used to have zero baptisms and attendance of 16-24 ultrafaithful. Now we have 1-3 baptisms, and attendance of 36-50 or so (membership, c. 116). > And all the rich ritual to go with it. It's WONDERFUL May I say "awesome"?) > > Agreed ... Easter Vigil is THE service for baptisms. But we are medievalists ... infants are usually baptized within a week of birth, if not sooner, so there's no possibility of "saving them up" and doing them at the Vigil Service, as we have (on average) about one every month or two during the year. > > We *baptize* VERY few adult converts, as we accept anybody's baptism that was done with flowing water in the Name of the Trinity ... we'll "supply" the anointings and the rest of the ceremonies, if requested; and MOST of > our "converts" are returning yuppies who were either > Episcopalians to > begin with, or married an Anglican spouse, or now > the kids are old enough > for Sunday School, or whatever.   Alan again: My past experience has been the same as yours. I don't know where our pastor finds these candiates on the Strassen of Nueva York, but he does find them. > > Convert pagans from scratch? Naaaaaaah. Don't think > I've seen one darken > the door in four years (grin). It'd be fun if we DID > ... we could do the > Lenten Scrutinies and all that other STUFF (chuckle) that goes on FOREVER. > But, like the RCs, we're allowed to use the shorter rites for an infant, with some word changes. Our neighbors at Our Lady Queen of Angels RC in Newport Beach DO do the full rite for adults, but they have full-time catechists and liturgists ... it's a HUGE parish ... they had FORTY adult baptisms last Easter Vigil ... the service lasted most of the night, as I know it's supposed to, but HIMMEL! Then they got up and did a DOZEN Masses on Easter DAY.   Alan again: Dang, if it doesn't sound like Christianity!!! > > > This is our first Holy Week after 9.11, of course. > We can kind of expect an increase in attendance, though I could wish for a better reason. > > I have been sorta puzzled at our people's reaction to 9/11, in conservative Orange County. The memorial services WEREN'T well-attended at > St. Matthew's; we sang the sabre-rattling hymns and "Our Father's God, To Thee" for awhile ... then it sorta went away, except for a Collect for the > Armed Forces at Mass. It MIGHT be because we only have a handful of > veterans in the parish, and only two young men on active duty ... I don't know. Crystal Cathedral certainly packed 'em in. Attendance HAS been > rising gradually, but I think that's more in > anticipation of the new church than anything else. > > We'll take whatever motivation we can get (grin) ... > I remember my godmother telling me stories of all the novena services being standing-room-only during WWII. I imagine GOD would rather we didn't wait for a crisis too, but ... He also understands fallen human nature. > > Cheers, > > Bud > >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Service List - Passion Sunday - St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Church, Costa Mesa CA (X-posted) From: "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:23:35 -0800 (PST)   > High Mass at 11 a.m. > > No opening voluntary   > No closing voluntary > > Everything veiled, everybody tippy-toeing around and whispering, very > little organ ... gee! I wish it was that way ALL the > time ... felt like CHURCH, for a change (grin). > > Cheers, > > Bud > > I hear ya, Bud. We're having the best Lent ever, too. Awesome. I never knew what a "Lenten Array" was. But we've got one. Makes you cry just to walk into the nave. (Even now, just thinking about it.)   Alan           __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC Re: Holy Week attendance From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:25:07 -0600   --- quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > Even our VERY faithful congregation (an average > of > 150 out of 200 show up EVERY SUNDAY) stays away from > Holy Week > in DROVES, *except* for Good Friday. > Maundy Thursday and Easter Vigil are the devout few > Three years = running, the Rector and I did everything > but turn cartwheels > > up and down the center aisle to get people to > come > ... he preached; I wrote Liturgy and Music Notes; we > begged; we pleaded ... particularly for people to come > to the Easter Vigil. > Last year we sang the Easter Vigil for a > congregation of SEVEN.   I find this rather shocking. Our church has a normal Sunday attendance of around 80 at the main Eucharist. At Tenebrae we get around 10 or 20, on Maundy Thursday 30 or 40, on Good Friday also 30 or 40, and for the Easter Vigil around 80 (i.e. about our usual Sunday attendance.) Our Easter morning servive maxes out at about 120, so we get more then than at the Easter Vigil, and we don't expect our Holy Week services apart from the Easter Vigil to be as well attended as the normal Sunday services, but nevertheless we do expect them to represent a fair proportion of the same. Many of our parishioners think the Easter Vigil is the highpoint of the entire year, and I would have thought this would be even more true of a traditionalist Anglican parish like Bud's.   John Speller, St. Mark's, St. Louis.    
(back) Subject: RE: St. Agatha's and Joan Lippincott too From: "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:37:04 -0800 (PST)   --- Glenda <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> wrote: > Alan, that's the nicest thing anyone's said to me > a few months. > Thank you - you are truly a gift. > > Glenda Sutton > > That is so weird. I love Glenda, of course. Agape, and all that.   But I also feel great affection for her (and, withinout making a list) for so many on this list. You are all so patient with my inability with these mail programs, and with my incompetence with organ music, and with (even) my ability to type any more. I can't help thinking that there's a lot more love on this list than anybody is ready to acknowledge.   Alan >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Possible misprint? From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:34:10 -0500   This concerns Jeanne Demessieux's ricercare on 'Ubi Caritas' (12 Choral = Preludes, Summy-Birchard 1995 ed.) : bars 18 and 19 have the left hand continuing in the treble = clef, then going to bass clef at 20. Since the hands are on the same manual throughout, this puts one = hand directly over the other (in 18-19.). Is this correct, or should the LH go to bass clef at 18 = instead of 20?   It sounds better, too, the latter way, IMHO.   I'd like to play this on Maundy Thursday.   Thanks in advance, Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Web-site: publication? (x-posted) From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:30:02 -0500   Dear anyone know if putting music up on a web site effects "publication?" I'm selecting music for my church's web site and have considered the theme of the Durufl=E9 variations on Veni Creator Spiritus" but am concerned that such recording may offend the copyright law.   Advice? Thanx.   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA  
(back) Subject: Good Friday From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:54:32 +1200   On Good Friday about four years ago I borrowed a coffin from the local undertaker and put this on a trolley in the church at the front, sideways = on just in front of the altar. When folk came in some gasped audibly and there were many whispers of, "Looks like a funeral." My comment, as Vicar: "Yyeeesssss." Think about = it. The solemnity for the 10am Service and for the noon-3pm Three-Hour = Devotions was astonishing.   I used to hold 11:30pm - 1am on Holy Saturday evening, with lighting the = new fire and all of that, the Service beginning in darkness. This was in a poorer neighbourhood where I had my first parish. The folk had never done this, but after a couple of years numbers rose every year quite substantially. Curious though - almost everyone was under the age of 20 or over the age of 70.   Ross      
(back) Subject: Re: Engaging and Disengaging From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:33:27 EST     --part1_194.3f42472.29c81997_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Jim,   I have written an article "True Confessions of a Church Organist" from the =   happenings and mishaps of 50 years "on the bench." It has been an interesting journey with lots of crucks in the road, but we roll with the punches. I wouldn't trade those years for any other advocation. (I say advocation, as I had to have a vocation to support that habit for many years). Now that I am retired from full time work, I am having some = problems adjusting to having enough time to practice and learn new music. It's = just about to soak in. Lee   --part1_194.3f42472.29c81997_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Jim, <BR> <BR>I have written an article "True Confessions of a Church Organist" from = the happenings and mishaps of 50 years "on the bench." &nbsp;It has been = an interesting journey with lots of crucks in the road, but we roll with = the punches. &nbsp;I wouldn't trade those years for any other advocation. = &nbsp;(I say advocation, as I had to have a vocation to support that habit = for many years). &nbsp;Now that I am retired from full time work, I am = having some problems adjusting to having enough time to practice and learn = new music. &nbsp;It's just about to soak in. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_194.3f42472.29c81997_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Good Friday From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:40:36 -0800   My Italian RC parish used to put real grass, trees and flowers in the = baptistry and make a garden tomb ... they had a life-sized dead Christ they'd lay in = it, and the old ladies would sit up all night and sing the old lamentations, = just like for a death in the family. Not very good theology or liturgy, = perhaps, but they GOT it.   Cheers   Bud   Ross & Lynda Wards wrote:   > On Good Friday about four years ago I borrowed a coffin from the local > undertaker and put this on a trolley in the church at the front, = sideways on > just in front of the altar. > When folk came in some gasped audibly and there were many whispers of, > "Looks like a funeral." My comment, as Vicar: "Yyeeesssss." Think about = it. > The solemnity for the 10am Service and for the noon-3pm Three-Hour = Devotions > was astonishing. > > I used to hold 11:30pm - 1am on Holy Saturday evening, with lighting the = new > fire and all of that, the Service beginning in darkness. This was in a > poorer neighbourhood where I had my first parish. The folk had never = done > this, but after a couple of years numbers rose every year quite > substantially. Curious though - almost everyone was under the age of 20 = or > over the age of 70. > > Ross > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: engaging and disengaging... From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:43:43 EST     --part1_8e.24bee0cc.29c81bff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Last year I was called at the last minute (the bridal party was ready to enter) that the organist had not arrived. Since I lived 2 blocks from the =   college chapel, I threw on a dress and rushed to the chapel. About half = way through the ceremony the other organist showed up. He had thought the = time for the wedding was an hour later than it was. As I remember, I don't = think either of us were paid. I hear they were divorced about a month later, so = it was all for naught. Lee   --part1_8e.24bee0cc.29c81bff_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Last year I was called = at the last minute (the bridal party was ready to enter) that the organist = had not arrived. &nbsp;Since I lived 2 blocks from the college chapel, I = threw on a dress and rushed to the chapel. &nbsp;About half way through = the ceremony the other organist showed up. &nbsp;He had thought &nbsp;the = time for the wedding was an hour later than it was. &nbsp;&nbsp;As I = remember, I don't think either of us were paid. &nbsp;I hear they were = divorced about a month later, so it was all for naught. = &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_8e.24bee0cc.29c81bff_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: engaging and disengaging... From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:46:32 EST     --part1_123.d7c4432.29c81ca8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   At one church where I played, I was paid for everything that included the organist. If there was a sub, I paid them. It seemed to work out, as I always had first choice. Lee   --part1_123.d7c4432.29c81ca8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>At one church where I = played, I was paid for everything that included the organist. &nbsp;If = there was a sub, I paid them. &nbsp;It seemed to work out, as I always had = first choice. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_123.d7c4432.29c81ca8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: cockups< Hammond Humour> From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:52:14 EST     --part1_187.50dca9b.29c81dfe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/18/02 10:46:29 PM !!!First Boot!!!, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes:     > Is your word "roter" a typo for "aorta"? > Nah! I meant the "roters" on the Hammond.... or whatever them thangs is callt! ;-)     Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_187.50dca9b.29c81dfe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/18/02 10:46:29 PM !!!First Boot!!!, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Is your word = "roter" a typo for "aorta"? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Nah! &nbsp;I meant the "roters" on the = Hammond.... or whatever them thangs is callt! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_187.50dca9b.29c81dfe_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: love and all that (was:St. Agatha's and Joan Lippincott too) From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:38:57 -0800   Alan,   If the truth be told, I'm also sure there is lots of affection for one another on this list... love even. I went to an AGO function last night, and very much enjoyed it - the music (of course) but especially the fellowship and camaraderie, which is what we enjoy here. I've been on my share of lists since getting online in 1995, and this one has some of the most caring people on it of any I've experienced.   Those of us who play and preach are often lonely folks, for all that we = work closely with the public. Often we do not have much time or opportunity to speak with others that do what we do, and that robs us of much = encouragement and friendship.   Over the years I've learned much from you, Bud and others I've met in cyberspace, and I have to say I feel affection, appreciation and love for you all as well - I'm just sorry I haven't taken the time to say so before now (in fact, I'm sorry not to have entered into discussion more often - I usually just lurk here in silence, sapping up the wealth). These lists = have seen me through triumph, tears and tragedy, and have greatly increased my knowledge, and it is not simply due to a "list", but to the folk who populate it and freely share themselves with each other.   I salute you all,   Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Alan Freed <afreed3036@yahoo.com> To: Glenda <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>; 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, March 18, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: RE: St. Agatha's and Joan Lippincott too >But I also feel great affection for her (and, >withinout making a list) for so many on this list. >You are all so patient with my inability with these >mail programs, and with my incompetence with organ >music, and with (even) my ability to type any more. I >can't help thinking that there's a lot more love on >this list than anybody is ready to acknowledge. > >Alan