PipeChat Digest #2774 - Sunday, March 24, 2002
 
Re: HOLY WEEK - St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Church, Newport Beach CA 
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Re: HOLY WEEK - St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Church, NewportBeach CA  
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St. Agatha's and a dead fish
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
REMOVE
  by "Ron & Mandy" <ronwest@spiderweb.com.au>
Re: The Rodgers Speaks!
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Re: Two Compton Organs
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Re: St. Agatha's and a dead fish
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com>
Re: REMOVE
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: REMOVE
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com>
hymns and the clergy
  by "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.c
Re: hymns and the clergy
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Re: hymns and the clergy
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Re: hymns and the clergy
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
the pedant strikes back
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: the pedant strikes back
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: Hymns and the clergy
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(back) Subject: Re: HOLY WEEK - St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Church, Newport Beach CA (X-p... From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:46:57 EST     --part1_130.b816e8f.29cf9541_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   John, I enjoyed your post. However, being a Campbell (my mother's maiden name), I enjoy bagpipes when they are playing. That should have been an interesting procession, in either case. Lee   --part1_130.b816e8f.29cf9541_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>John, I enjoyed your = post. &nbsp;However, being a Campbell (my mother's maiden name), I enjoy = bagpipes when they are playing. &nbsp;That should have been an interesting = procession, in either case. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_130.b816e8f.29cf9541_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: HOLY WEEK - St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Church, NewportBeach CA (X-p... From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:52:49 EST     --part1_a2.22d34380.29cf96a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bud, this thread has been my laugh for the day. Thanks. Lee   --part1_a2.22d34380.29cf96a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bud, this thread has = been my laugh for the day. &nbsp;Thanks. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a2.22d34380.29cf96a1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: St. Agatha's and a dead fish From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:08:52 -0600   Palm Sunday, Year A St. Agatha's Episcopal Church DeFuniak Spirngs, Florida   Service music: Willan   Liturgy of the Palms - on the front sidewalk Introit Hymn: All glory, laud, and honor (St. Theodulph) - H 154 Sequence Hymn: Alone thou goest forth, O LORD (Bangor) - H 164 The Creed is omitted today. Offertory Hymn: Were you there - H 172 Music during Communion: 2 settings of the Passion Chorale (text H 168) - Johannes Brahms Hymn: When I survey the wondrous cross (Rockingham) - H 474 Postlude- Repentance from Four Prayers in Tone - Richard Purvis   'The music today brings us full circle, from the joyous "Hosanna!" in saluting the Christ's entry in triumph into Jerusalem, to the arrest, defilement and bruising of our Lord, to the vision of the cross and his ultimate sacrifice. Today we begin a week of remembrance of the Lord's Passion, and the discordant sounds of the communion music remind us of his agony, sorrow and death. The postlude today is based upon the text "Go to dark Gethsemane" (found at H 171), the tune being that of an old Moravian setting of the chorale still found in their hymnal. One can feel the anguish as the nails are driven into our Lord's body. However, the piece ends with a note of hope.'   An off-topic foreward: During Friday night my pleicostomus died. He had been ailing since about Sunday of the week before, and I had cleaned the tank thoroughly in case there was something lurking I had missed in regular cleaning, checked the pH, added antibiotics, and hovered. I could find no external signs of the usual fish maladies, and perused the internet in search of things to do for him (of course there is no fish vet around here). He rallied on Thursday, but Friday night I knew the end was near. Saturday morning he was dead. He was at least 9 years old, and had survived Hurricane Opal. He had grown from 3 inches long when I bought him, to over 11 inches long, a lovely specimen. Oscar is survived by his longtime aquarium companion Felix, a cory catfish at least as old as he was.   I went outside Saturday morning and dug a hole while my husband was polishing his Harley for a morning ride. I told Rick he would probably have to shovel dirt over the fish - I didn't know if I had it in me. I took Oscar's body out of the aquarium and carefully wrapped in him in paper towel, and started bawling like a baby. I, who was too numb to cry at my father's death, and was just admiring a tattoo of the word "bitch" on the back of the neck of a woman in front of me in court the other day, was crying over a fish. Rick proved he would have made a pretty good father - he put the fish in the grave, mumbled a few words over the grave about how he was a good little fish, and that he would get me another one, and covered him up. Now an oleander graces his grave, in order to attract and raise butterflies and give him life again.   Anyway, on to today. I had always striven at church to make worship a beautiful and moving corporate experience. I finally realized today that it is an impossible task - that the most one can hope for is to touch one or two, and to ask God for the grace to transform my puny musical efforts into something palpable and worthy of Him. I played today almost as well as I ever have (not a contender for Chartres for sure). And I knew that I was giving it to God, and it didn't matter if the senior warden as narrator of the Gospel stumbled all over the words, or if the priest ruined the chilling final notes of my postlude by adding announcements. And a woman, a transplant from a charismatic Episcopal church, stated to me afterward that the Purvis was a moving and beautiful piece. I'd never have picked her to give me a compliment. Go figure. My prayers had been answered, because I had no Purvisaic palette of colors on this organ to do what was called for. But where else would I ever play it, and where else would they ever hear it? It was exactly how I felt God would have wanted to usher in Holy Week, despite me and my surroundings.   Praise God for a delightful day.   Glenda Sutton (soon to be a grandmother - momma cat will disgorge just any day now)        
(back) Subject: REMOVE From: "Ron & Mandy" <ronwest@spiderweb.com.au> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:47:05 +1000   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C1D3E2.060EFE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Please unsubscribe.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C1D3E2.060EFE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Please =3D unsubscribe.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C1D3E2.060EFE00--    
(back) Subject: Re: The Rodgers Speaks! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 19:19:10 EST     --part1_7e.24d7f7e8.29cfc6fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Congrats, Paul. Amazing how one little bitty thing can hold up the works. And they = always seem to be waiting until the last minute to be found.     Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_7e.24d7f7e8.29cfc6fe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Congrats, Paul. <BR>Amazing how one little bitty thing can hold up the works. = &nbsp;&nbsp;And they always seem to be waiting until the last minute to be = found. <BR> <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_7e.24d7f7e8.29cfc6fe_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Two Compton Organs From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 19:23:04 EST     --part1_158.b16a0a5.29cfc7e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Colin, Can you describe basically what distinguishes Comptom from the others. = I've never seen one of his instruments in any form, and wondered if you might share some of their unique points.   Thanky.     Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_158.b16a0a5.29cfc7e8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Colin, <BR>Can you describe basically what distinguishes Comptom from the others. = &nbsp;&nbsp;I've never seen one of his instruments in any form, and = wondered if you might share some of their unique points. <BR> <BR>Thanky. <BR> <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_158.b16a0a5.29cfc7e8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: St. Agatha's and a dead fish From: "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:30:52 -0800 (PST)   Glenda, I was about to call hubby an unfeeling creep, until you indicaed that he came through just fine.   Happy grandmotherhood on you, and the best of Holy Weeks.   Alan   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards=AE http://movies.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: REMOVE From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:57:22 +1200   This arrived here in New Zealand, but I don't kmow what it means. Do you want me to unsubscribe to PipeChat? If so, why? If it means you, how come = I got your message? Ross -----Original Message----- From: Ron & Mandy <ronwest@spiderweb.com.au> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, March 25, 2002 12:05 PM Subject: REMOVE     Please unsubscribe.      
(back) Subject: Re: REMOVE From: "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:46:06 -0800 (PST)   Ron and Mancy are in Australia Ross and Linda are treasured members of this list. Tha's all I know.   Alan   --- Ross & Lynda Wards <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > This arrived here in New Zealand, but I don't kmow > what it means. Do you > want me to unsubscribe to PipeChat? If so, why? If > it means you, how come I > got your message? > Ross > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron & Mandy <ronwest@spiderweb.com.au> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Monday, March 25, 2002 12:05 PM > Subject: REMOVE > > > Please unsubscribe. > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards=AE http://movies.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: hymns and the clergy From: "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:51:13 -0500     I know that from time to time the issue of relations between musicians and =   clergy pop up here. However, I need to bring up the dreaded subject again =   to get some advice.   I had a run in this morning with the senior clergy at the parish where I work. I have chosen most of the hymnody for holy week and easter. I partiularly gave attention to Easter hymns due to the fact that I am = useing Brass with organ and had a limited number of arrangements at my disposal.   The hymn in question is Llanfair. The pastor approached me this = morning,as I entered the church, to tell me that HE didnt know the hymn and thus he didnt think that the congregation or choir would know it. I told him I thought that they did but that I would check with the choir. I polled the =   choir and had them run through it. Of course they knew it and sang = lustily! One of my support folks, who happens to be chair of the Worship work = area, told me she would have a talk with him. Apparantly she did because on my way out of the church, he accosted me again with the argument that even IF =   the choir knew it he didnt think people would and it would be a "downer" = I explained that I had run the choir through it and ect. No give. This is = a long standing issue with him as I dont have much input into the hymns and = I typically get them on Wednesday!   Anyway, any thoughts on how to deal with this. I plan to stand firm but = the anger and frustration are getting in the way of my usual professional and well thought out responses to this kind of thing. Any help you can give would be much appreciated.   Thanks much!   Craig     _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at = http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.    
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 21:02:11 EST   This sounds like another one of those clergy who likes to push his weight = around, and that he doesn't like Llanfair, even if everyone else does!!! = you could try making the point that they need to have unfamiliar hymns = sometimes, or how else are they ever going to learn any new ones!!! Merry   > ... even IF > the choir knew it he didnt think people would and it would be a "downer" = I > explained that I had run the choir through it and ect. No give. This = is a > long standing issue with him as I dont have much input into the hymns = and I > typically get them on Wednesday! ... > Thanks much! > > Craig  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 21:33:53 EST     --part1_78.24093b10.29cfe691_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I once played in a church where the pastor told me not to play anything = for the Prelude, Offertory, or Postlude that he did not know. He especially = did not want me to play any Bach, as he didn't like anything Bach wrote. = That was the first clue that I should have left that church. The next came = when my car was vandalized. Then, I was hit in the head on my way down from = the speaker loft and knocked down a flight of stairs. This required over 100 stitches and left me with one major headache -- both my head and the = church. At that point, I did leave. But I wish I had listened to "that still = small voice" at the first clue. Lee (There's a moral here somewhere)   --part1_78.24093b10.29cfe691_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I once played in a = church where the pastor told me not to play anything for the Prelude, = Offertory, or Postlude that he did not know. &nbsp;He especially did not = want me to play any Bach, as he didn't like anything Bach wrote. = &nbsp;&nbsp;That was the first clue that I should have left that church. = &nbsp;The next came when my car was vandalized. &nbsp;Then, &nbsp;I was = hit in the head on my way down from the speaker loft and knocked down a = flight of stairs. &nbsp;This required over 100 stitches and left me with = one major headache -- both my head and the church. &nbsp;At that point, I = did leave. &nbsp;But I wish I had listened to "that still small voice" at = the first clue. &nbsp;Lee &nbsp;(There's a moral here = somewhere)</FONT></HTML>   --part1_78.24093b10.29cfe691_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 18:43:33 -0800 (PST)   I have chosen most of the hymnody for holy > week and easter. I > partiularly gave attention to Easter hymns due to > the fact that I am useing > Brass with organ and had a limited number of > arrangements at my disposal.   A. I think your choice is fine. It's well known. It's SIMPLE as can be on top of that. And WORTH getting acquainted with, for those to whom it isnew. And it's fun as heck to sing! Get him to come to rehearsal!   B. I'm surprised that you don't have much input to the hymns, but they let you pick Holy Week and Easter??? Usually, if you get to "play" with mid-August, that's a concession, but HOLY WEEK and EASTER are their privileged clerical DOMAIN, for Pete's sake.   C. Ye Pastor is being silly and childish.   D. That's not unusual.   E. I've been both pastor and church musician (much more the former than the latter). Tell him: "If this were an Episcopal or Lutheran congregation, this questions would not exist: You are the boss. It's not. It's a Methodist congregation. I'm the boss. But I'll give in to you if you demand it.."   (Maybe his wife doesn't like Llanfair. Who knows. I just had a coupe of gin and tonics, and am not thinking clearly.)   Best,   Alan   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards=AE http://movies.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 18:47:20 -0800 (PST)   you > could try making the point that they need to have > unfamiliar hymns sometimes, or how else are they > ever going to learn any new ones!!!   Well, yes, Foxy, but I can understand that he'd not want to teach new hymns on Easter (to a largely "unfamiliar" tourist croud). But THIS one is so SIMPLE, even for the unfamiliar folks.   I'm with you.   Alan   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards=AE http://movies.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 21:47:53 EST     --part1_187.563afd5.29cfe9d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Lee:   Were you then working for Jack the Ripper, or was it Jaekel and Hyde? I hope you saw who hit you in the head? A church like that can be life threatening.   Ron   I once played in a church where the pastor told me not to play anything = for the Prelude, Offertory, or Postlude that he did not know. He especially = did not want me to play any Bach, as he didn't like anything Bach wrote. = That was the first clue that I should have left that church. The next came = when my car was vandalized. Then, I was hit in the head on my way down from = the speaker loft and knocked down a flight of stairs. This required over 100 stitches and left me with one major headache -- both my head and the = church. At that point, I did leave. But I wish I had listened to "that still = small voice" at the first clue. Lee (There's a moral here somewhere)   --part1_187.563afd5.29cfe9d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica>Dear Lee:<BR> <BR> Were you then working for Jack the Ripper, or was it Jaekel and Hyde?<BR> I hope you saw who hit you in the head? A church like that can be life<BR> threatening. <BR> <BR> Ron<BR> <BR> I once played in a church where the pastor told me not to play anything = for the Prelude, Offertory, or Postlude that he did not know.&nbsp; He = especially did not want me to play any Bach, as he didn't like anything = Bach wrote.&nbsp;&nbsp; That was the first clue that I should have left = that church.&nbsp; The next came when my car was vandalized.&nbsp; = Then,&nbsp; I was hit in the head on my way down from the speaker loft and = knocked down a flight of stairs.&nbsp; This required over 100 stitches and = left me with one major headache -- both my head and the church.&nbsp; At = that point, I did leave.&nbsp; But I wish I had listened to "that still = small voice" at the first clue.&nbsp; Lee&nbsp; (There's a moral here = somewhere)<FONT SIZE=3D3> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_187.563afd5.29cfe9d9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: the pedant strikes back From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:33:16 +1200   TommyLee, Thanks for speedy reply.   "Yanking chains" (your instructions) brings various thoughts to mind. "Yanking chairs" would be more fun - people landing heavily on = coccyx...... If you mean "Yank" as in "American", then I couldn't, as I know only how = to "New Zealand" a chain. And by chain do you mean those linky things, or the trad.British cricket pitch measurement of 22 yards =3D 66ft? And yet one more - if I pulled your chain, would you flush?   Sorry 'bout that, but it's a fabulous day here. My wife's at work, the dog is in the kennels for the day. It's clear sun, virtually no wind and no humidity. 22 degrees Celsius. 2:55pm. This officially the 2nd day of = autumn here, but it sure is my kind of weather. I might wander down to the beach = - all of 5 mins walk away - to avoid doing some more housepainting.   Hoping I've made all of you rotten jealous, Regards, Ross   P.S. To keep this on topic - don't take it for granted that clergy are by definition anti church musicians. They're not. More often than not, ignorance is more predominant than evil intent. Evil intent is one thing church musicians cannot fix in their clergy, but ignorance they should be able to, esecially if the organists make it clear they want to be a colleague and friend of the incumbent. Clergy egos are often fragile and need massaging. In these days of laity taking over everything, the clergy need, more than ever before, their musicians to be friends. Believe me, = this is true. As a clergyman, I've tried for more than 40 years to get organists to = invite their incumbents to the annual Organists' Congress here in New Zealand, = and for a Congress to be jointly planned for the benefit of both sides, clergy and musicians. Complete and utter failure, only loud noises from organists of, "They'd never come." And so no one ever has. Most sad, as I must therefore be dastardly peculiar in being both clergyman and organist. Comments?   R      
(back) Subject: Re: the pedant strikes back From: "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 19:21:41 -0800 (PST)   --- Ross & Lynda Wards <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > TommyLee, > Thanks for speedy reply. > The date line has, of course, caused your response to reach me before TommyLee's post.   > Hoping I've made all of you rotten jealous,   Not a bit of it. It's the second day of SPRING!!!! >   Complete and utter failure, only loud > noises from organists > of, "They'd never come." And so no one ever has.   Well, yes. If a cleric has a particular interest in (and therefore, probably, knowledge of) church music, he'll come, if his schedule permits. If he doesn't, then he's the one you particularly WANT to come, but he'll find any number of excuses not to be there.   Warmest regards,   Alan   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards=AE http://movies.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 21:44:47 -0600   Although "Llanfair" is a reasonably well-known hymn-tune, I am a little puzzled as to why you would be using it at Easter. As far as I was aware it is usually sung with the text, "Hail the day that sees him rise", which is an Ascension Day hymn.   John Speller   BridgewaterUMC Director of Music wrote:   I have chosen most of the hymnody for holy week and easter. <snip> > > The hymn in question is Llanfair.    
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:48:17 -0500       "John L. Speller" wrote: > > Although "Llanfair" is a reasonably well-known hymn-tune, I > am a little puzzled as to why you would be using it at > Easter. As far as I was aware it is usually sung with the > text, "Hail the day that sees him rise", which is an > Ascension Day hymn. >   Lutherans use it for "Christ the Lord is ris'n today" (Victimae Paschali).   And I believe "Jesus Christ is risen today", often set to Worgan, is also = set to Llanfair in some books.   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns and the clergy From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 23:14:55 EST   Hello Craig and all,   First, check this character's credentials. It is unlikely that he is a United Methodist minister and has never heard this hymn. Moreover, it is highly unlikely that your congregation does not know this hymn. As the first, second, and fourth score are exactly the same, it would be a piece = of cake to learn if they had never seen it before.   As I try to stay out of church politics, I will certainly not try to = meddle in yours. BUT, unless you were DIRECTLY ORDERED not to use this hymn (he wouldn't have the guts), include it in the worship form. Boldly it leaps from the page, "Hail the Day That Sees Him Rise, Alleluia!" (page 312). Ignore any further references to it by the minister and move on to next = week. This may be an effort to abase you in that you normally do not pick the hymns (or did I misunderstand you?).   Do it, Craig. It is a most fitting hymn for the season, it is = theologically correct in content, and will be light years ahead of 'Loooooooooow in the grave He laaaaaaaay.' If he edits it from the Order of Worship, totally =   ignore its omission. He cannot win if you never concede defeat, but this = is not worthy of a battle. BTW, it is the second hymn on Easter Sunday at = both churches I serve (both UMC).   Best wishes, Jim Pitts