PipeChat Digest #2776 - Monday, March 25, 2002
 
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.c
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  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
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  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
OHS Convention Registration
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
RE: Hymns and the clergy
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: Hymns and the clergy
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RE: Hymns and the clergy
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
RE: Hymns and the clergy
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: Holy Week
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Re: Hymns and the clergy
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
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(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:26:50 -0500     >Although "Llanfair" is a reasonably well-known hymn-tune, I >am a little puzzled as to why you would be using it at >Easter   John: Because in the 84 UMC Hymnal it has the text "Christ the Lord is Risen Today, and is far better than the more evangelical "He Lives"   Craig     _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com    
(back) Subject: FW: Virus Alert! - General Alert From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:52:23 -0500   FYI This is from our computer support department here and thus official. Keep your eyes open!! +++++++++ > > Hello, > > Warning, there is a new e-mail virus spreading through the Internet! = The > virus details are: > > Virus Name: W32/MyLife.b@MM > > What to do: If you receive any e-mails with an attachment named = cari.scr, > please DO NOT open the attachment and delete the e-mail. The e-mail > subject line is "bill caricature". > > If you would like to learn more about the virus, please check the > following link: http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99414.htm > > For CBR and One Dag users: > In order to get the most recent virus software updates to protect your > system from the W32/MyLife.b@MM, please make sure that you have rebooted > or turned on your computer systems after 8:30 AM, this Monday morning. > > Thank you. > Michael Lim > Information Technology  
(back) Subject: Re: : Virus Alert! From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:18:50 -0500   At 09:52 AM 25/03/2002 -0500, COLASACCO, ROBERT wrote: >FYI This is from our computer support department here and thus official. >Keep your eyes open!!       Mr Colasacco,   The list owners have told us a thousand times NOT to post such messages. =   Send it to the list owner for them to verify and decide if they wish to post a warning.   HD    
(back) Subject: OHS Convention Registration From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:22:08 -0500   Registration information and a downloadable registration form for the 2002 OHS Convention in Chicago, June 25 to July 1, are now on the web at http://www.organsociety.org/2002   The site includes hotel information, travel information, and pictures of some of the organs.   Bill    
(back) Subject: RE: Hymns and the clergy From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:36:38 -0500   The Episcopal church has that type too. The new rector of one parish = around here is such. Not only does he micromanage, but his wind changes frequently, so one doesn't know from one week to the next what he wants. = He has a micromanaging deputy, as well, in the form of a "youth minister" who isn't even ordained in the Episcopal church, but who is at all rehearsals and services, and I believe that he has also made himself chairman of the choir guild consisting largely of choristers' parents. The hapless choirmaster has very little to say and the kids have stopped actually = paying much attention to him. It's a very strange situation; a friend was = interim choirmaster for a couple months (while holding on to his regular Sunday position), thought and wasn't at all sorry to     > -----Original Message----- > From: Wurlibird1@aol.com [SMTP:Wurlibird1@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 11:15 PM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: Hymns and the clergy > > Hello Craig and all, > > First, check this character's credentials. It is unlikely that he is a > United Methodist minister and has never heard this hymn. Moreover, it = is > highly unlikely that your congregation does not know this hymn. As the > first, second, and fourth score are exactly the same, it would be a = piece > of > cake to learn if they had never seen it before. > > As I try to stay out of church politics, I will certainly not try to > meddle > in yours. BUT, unless you were DIRECTLY ORDERED not to use this hymn = (he > wouldn't have the guts), include it in the worship form. Boldly it = leaps > from the page, "Hail the Day That Sees Him Rise, Alleluia!" (page 312). =   > Ignore any further references to it by the minister and move on to next > week. > This may be an effort to abase you in that you normally do not pick the =   > hymns (or did I misunderstand you?). > > Do it, Craig. It is a most fitting hymn for the season, it is > theologically > correct in content, and will be light years ahead of 'Loooooooooow in = the > grave He laaaaaaaay.' If he edits it from the Order of Worship, = totally > > ignore its omission. He cannot win if you never concede defeat, but = this > is > not worthy of a battle. BTW, it is the second hymn on Easter Sunday at > both > churches I serve (both UMC). > > Best wishes, > Jim Pitts > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns and the clergy From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 07:53:13 -0800       "Emmons, Paul" wrote:   > The Episcopal church has that type too. The new rector of one parish = around > here is such. Not only does he micromanage, but his wind changes > frequently, so one doesn't know from one week to the next what he wants.   Heh! Can we talk about a micro-manager??!!   I was reorganizing the music for Holy Week and Easter in PASSION WEEK = because, after four years of building up and embellishing the services, the Rector suddenly took a 180 degree turn, or tried. I told him that the music was = in bound choirbooks; I have a volunteer choir; we can't turn on a dime; we'd already HAD most of the rehearsals for Holy Week. I was able to make a few = minor changes, but nothing substantial. That seemed to satisfy him, for the = moment.   He usually leaves me alone regarding the choice of hymns, though ... I do service-lists three times a year: in the summer for first semester, after Christmas for second semester, and after Easter for summer. Since we = basically follow the liturgical index in the back of the Episcopal Hymnal 1940, = there's not too much to debate, at least regarding the themes of the hymns, if not = the individual choices.   He has FINALLY figured out that the congregation knows MANY more hymns = than his repertoire of about 50, and they like to sing them. But he will STILL ask = me if they know something like "Where Cross the Crowded Ways of Life" every time = it comes up (!).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: RE: Hymns and the clergy From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:06:47 -0500   If and when I ever take another job where I choose the hymns, I would like in advance and as a condition of accepting the job:   (1) A list of the hymns or tunes, signed by the rector and by someone on behalf of the vestry, that are considered to be in the congregation's current repertoire.   (2) The authority to increase that repertoire by some modest number of = tunes per year, say one tune every two months, at my sole discretion.   In case of complaint, one needs only to refer to that acknowledged list = and that prior agreement.      
(back) Subject: RE: Hymns and the clergy From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:16:31 -0500   (Ugh-- I hit "send" too early by mistake. My apologies-- this is what I meant to write:)   > The Episcopal church has that type too. The new rector of one parish > around > here is such. Not only does he micromanage, but his wind changes > frequently, so one doesn't know from one week to the next what he wants. > He has a micromanaging deputy, as well, in the form of a "youth = minister" > who > isn't even ordained in the Episcopal church, but who is at all = rehearsals > and services, and I believe that he has also made himself chairman of = the > choir guild consisting largely of choristers' parents. At first he > dictated that the offices of head chorister and prefect must be = abolished > (probably because the head chorister on his arrival took an = understandable > dislike to him). The choir guild fought him on that and he finally = backed > down. But now their hands are tied, too. The hapless new choirmaster = has > very little to say and the kids (mostly new recruits, some of the others > have left in disgust) have stopped actually paying much attention to = him. > > > It's a very strange situation; a friend was interim choirmaster for a > couple months (while, thank heaven, holding on to his regular Sunday > position), thought at first that he might want the permanent job, but > after that brief experience wasn't at all sorry to see it go to someone > else. > This rector has high ambitions for the choir, or so he says, such as producing recordings and singing for various national events and in English cathedrals. It could all happen if the = administration were more reasonable. But he is killing it with kindness (or whatever you call that kind of solicitude). The choirmaster is probably being held to these expectations without being given any of the wherewithal to realize them. What a pressure cooker he must be in. If he lasts the hear he = must have, among other survival skills, the patience of Job.          
(back) Subject: Re: Holy Week From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:20:25 EST   When I was a child in sunday school, I was taught to make a cross out of = the palms. The lesson was how quickly and easily something used in praise = could turn into the symbol of crucifixion.   Yesterday, once it was discovered that I knew how to fold the palms to = make crosses, I lost count of how many I did.... it seems that the message hits =   home.   Victoria Ceruti  
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns and the clergy From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:22:59 -0400   on 3/25/02 12:06 PM, Emmons, Paul at pemmons@wcupa.edu wrote:   > If and when I ever take another job where I choose the hymns, I would = like > in advance and as a condition of accepting the job: > > (1) A list of the hymns or tunes, signed by the rector and by someone on > behalf of the vestry, that are considered to be in the congregation's > current repertoire. > > (2) The authority to increase that repertoire by some modest number of = tunes > per year, say one tune every two months, at my sole discretion. > > In case of complaint, one needs only to refer to that acknowledged list = and > that prior agreement.   This is excellent advice. I must have it lucky: I have authorization to introduce one new hymn every Sunday!   I choose the hymns a month in advance and run them by the Worship and = Music Committee. Usually they talk me out of a few, but in the end the responsability--and the blame, if any--is shared with them, so it doesn't all fall on my shoulders. We recently adopted the hymn supplement With = One Voice from Augsburg Fortress Press, and the congregation generally, at = least the Worship and Music Committee, are glad to learn new hymns from that collection.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu   ..    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns and the clergy From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:19:58 EST   Paul Emmons writes:   >The Episcopal church has that type too. The new rector of one parish = around >here is such. <<   Not surprised, Paul. They seem to surface in all demonimations from time = to time. Many church Disciplines charge the pastor with responsibility for music and some take that quite literally. Where that responsibility is clearly stated, a battle over music is not laden with promise of triumph = by the musician. In the purity of my youth I would argue over hymn selecton. = The mellowing of my advancing age has given me new insight to an old = axiom: first rule of management - transfer responsibility!   In my present appointments, I have charge of preludes, offertories, postludes, choral anthems and responses. The pastor selects the hymns and =   uses the Lectionary as a guide. This is extremely workable and relieves = me of a weekly responsibility for two churches. As I mentioned to Craig in = his original post, church politics is not an activity in which I choose to engage.   Best wishes, Jim Pitts  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:23:17 EST     --part1_174.5a9aa17.29d0b705_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/25/02 1:52:33 AM !!!First Boot!!!, bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com writes:     > Anyway, any thoughts on how to deal with this. I plan to stand firm but = the > anger and frustration are getting in the way of my usual professional = and > well thought out responses to this kind of thing. Any help you can give =   > would be much appreciated. >   Craig, My advice is save Llanfair for another time. It's not one of THE traditional Easter hymns that people want to sing on and ONLY get to sing = on Easter Day. Give the folks a break. Easter and Christmas Days (or = Eve) are not the times to toss in hymns that are not on THE list.   I went through this with my very favorite Easter hymn, "Alleluia, = ALleluia, Hearts and Voices Heavenward raise" (Lux eoi). My parish sang it every = year for four years on the Sunday after Easter before I included it in the = Easter Day line-up. But even then I did not put it in processional position = (fore or aft!) because I knew there were two other nontransferable hymns that = were to be sung... Welcome Happy Morning, and Jesus Christ is Risen Today.   I urge you on two counts, don't insist on Llanfair. One: if you = persist the preacher is going to over rule you and you have lost a really big = battle. Two: PLEASE, don't substitute this hymn (which can be sung at other = times during the years with other words) for something that is near and dear to = the hearts of your congregation. it just is not kind!   My two bits...   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_174.5a9aa17.29d0b705_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/25/02 1:52:33 AM !!!First Boot!!!, bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Anyway, any = thoughts on how to deal with this. &nbsp;I plan to stand firm but the <BR>anger and frustration are getting in the way of my usual professional = and <BR>well thought out responses to this kind of thing. &nbsp;Any help you = can give <BR>would be much appreciated. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Craig, <BR>My advice is save Llanfair for another time. &nbsp;&nbsp;It's not one = of THE traditional Easter hymns that people want to sing on and ONLY get = to sing on Easter Day. &nbsp;&nbsp;Give the folks a break. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Easter and Christmas Days (or Eve) are not the times to = toss in hymns that are not on THE list. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>I went through this with my very favorite Easter hymn, "Alleluia, = ALleluia, Hearts and Voices Heavenward raise" (Lux eoi). &nbsp;&nbsp;My = parish sang it every year for four years on the Sunday after Easter before = I included it in the Easter Day line-up. &nbsp;&nbsp;But even then I did = not put it in processional position (fore or aft!) because I knew there = were two other nontransferable hymns that were to be sung... &nbsp;Welcome = Happy Morning, and Jesus Christ is Risen Today. <BR> <BR>I urge you on two counts, don't insist on Llanfair. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;One: &nbsp;&nbsp;if you persist the preacher is going to = over rule you and you have lost a really big battle. &nbsp;&nbsp;Two: = &nbsp;&nbsp;PLEASE, don't substitute this hymn (which can be sung at other = times during the years with other words) for something that is near and = dear to the hearts of your congregation. &nbsp;&nbsp;it just is not kind! <BR> <BR>My two bits... <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_174.5a9aa17.29d0b705_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:24:12 EST     --part1_11f.dd5b856.29d0b73c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/25/02 2:03:03 AM !!!First Boot!!!, MFoxy9795@aol.com writes:     > you could try making the point that they need to have unfamiliar hymns > sometimes, or how else are they ever going to learn any new ones!!! >   But not on Easter Day! Music on Easter Day is a once a year item. = You monkey with it at your peril, and it is just not a kind thing to do to the =   worshipers.     Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_11f.dd5b856.29d0b73c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/25/02 2:03:03 AM !!!First Boot!!!, MFoxy9795@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">you could try = making the point that they need to have unfamiliar hymns sometimes, or how = else are they ever going to learn any new ones!!! <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>But not on Easter Day! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Music on Easter = Day is a once a year item. &nbsp;&nbsp;You monkey with it at your peril, = and it is just not a kind thing to do to the worshipers. <BR> <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_11f.dd5b856.29d0b73c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:26:50 EST     --part1_156.b1d288b.29d0b7da_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/25/02 2:33:42 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Chicaleee@aol.com writes:     > That was the first clue that I should have left that church. The next = came > when my car was vandalized. Then, I was hit in the head on my way down =   > from the speaker loft and knocked down a flight of stairs. This = required > over 100 stitches and left me with one major headache -- both my head = and > the church.   Geez... I hope when you left you took your "doll with pins" from the minister's office!! Sounds like that church had a heck of a big "dead chicken" collection. = ;-)   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_156.b1d288b.29d0b7da_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/25/02 2:33:42 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Chicaleee@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">That was the first = clue that I should have left that church. &nbsp;The next came when my car = was vandalized. &nbsp;Then, &nbsp;I was hit in the head on my way down = from the speaker loft and knocked down a flight of stairs. &nbsp;This = required over 100 stitches and left me with one major headache -- both my = head and the church. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Geez... I hope when you left you took your "doll with pins" from the = minister's office!! <BR>Sounds like that church had a heck of a big "dead chicken" collection. = &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_156.b1d288b.29d0b7da_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:31:33 EST     --part1_182.5b1d817.29d0b8f5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/25/02 2:43:59 AM !!!First Boot!!!, = afreed3036@yahoo.com writes:     > I've been both pastor and church musician (much > more the former than the latter). Tell him: "If this > were an Episcopal or Lutheran congregation, this > questions would not exist: You are the boss. It's > not. It's a Methodist congregation. I'm the boss. > But I'll give in to you if you demand it.." >   I'm not sure I understand this statement, but this is a common problem in Episcopal churches, too. None of my Lutheran musician friends pick their = own hymns. Llanfair is a wonderful hymn, but it is not traditional/usual = Easter hymn fare. Easter Day is the one day a year that people get to sing several of their favorite hymns. if musicians don't like it, TOUGH! = I was taught early on not to bully the congregations I served into = substituting my favorites for theirs; Christmas Eve/Day and Easter Day are just not places to change things. There are 50 other Sunday to "grow" musically.   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_182.5b1d817.29d0b8f5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/25/02 2:43:59 AM !!!First Boot!!!, afreed3036@yahoo.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> I've been both = pastor and church musician (much <BR>more the former than the latter). &nbsp;Tell him: &nbsp;"If this <BR>were an Episcopal or Lutheran congregation, this <BR>questions would not exist: &nbsp;You are the boss. &nbsp;It's <BR>not. &nbsp;It's a Methodist congregation. &nbsp;I'm the boss. <BR>But I'll give in to you if you demand it.." <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I'm not sure I understand this statement, but this is a common problem = in Episcopal churches, too. &nbsp;None of my Lutheran musician friends = pick their own hymns. &nbsp;&nbsp;Llanfair is a wonderful hymn, but it is = not traditional/usual Easter hymn fare. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Easter Day is = the one day a year that people get to sing several of their favorite = hymns. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;if musicians don't like it, TOUGH! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was taught early on not to bully the congregations I = served into substituting my favorites for theirs; &nbsp;&nbsp;Christmas = Eve/Day and Easter Day are just not places to change things. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There are 50 other Sunday to "grow" musically. <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_182.5b1d817.29d0b8f5_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns and the clergy From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:37:01 EST     --part1_151.b182111.29d0ba3d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/25/02 4:15:36 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Wurlibird1@aol.com =   writes:     > Do it, Craig. It is a most fitting hymn for the season, it is = theologically > correct in content, and will be light years ahead of 'Loooooooooow in = the > grave He laaaaaaaay.' If he edits it from the Order of Worship, = totally > ignore its omission. He cannot win if you never concede defeat, but = this > is > not worthy of a battle.   The Minister ALWAYS wins, especially in the UMC. If you do it against = his wishes, please keep in touch with us and let us know where you will be playing after Easter. ;-)   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_151.b182111.29d0ba3d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/25/02 4:15:36 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Wurlibird1@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Do it, Craig. = &nbsp;It is a most fitting hymn for the season, it is theologically <BR>correct in content, and will be light years ahead of 'Loooooooooow in = the <BR>grave He laaaaaaaay.' &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If he edits it from the Order = of Worship, totally <BR>ignore its omission. &nbsp;He cannot win if you never concede defeat, = but this is <BR>not worthy of a battle. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>The Minister ALWAYS wins, especially in the UMC. &nbsp;&nbsp;If you do = it against his wishes, please keep in touch with us and let us know where = you will be playing after Easter. <BR>;-) <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_151.b182111.29d0ba3d_boundary--