PipeChat Digest #2777 - Monday, March 25, 2002
 
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
IMPORTANT!!  Re: FW: Virus Alert! - General Alert
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Need Clark Wilson's E-mail address. (cross-posted)
  by "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
Re: hymns and the clergy - Let's Hear It!
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
NZ organ
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Hymns and Clergy
  by <CdyVanpool@aol.com>
New Lutheran Hymnal
  by <Pepehomer@aol.com>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Compton Organs
  by "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net>
The Lord taketh away, and the Lord giveth . . .
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Hymns and the clergy
  by "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.c
Re: Hymns and Clergy
  by "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.c
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: The Lord taketh away, and the Lord giveth . . .
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:43:59 EST     --part1_158.b214696.29d0bbdf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/25/02 1:27:03 PM !!!First Boot!!!, bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com writes:     > Because in the 84 UMC Hymnal it has the text "Christ the Lord is Risen > Today, and is far better than the more evangelical "He Lives" >   I don't understand why UMC ministers perfer to use "He Lives" on Easter. = It really is a general hymn. It just goes to show that most of them don't read beyond the title.   But, it's not worth getting fired over.   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_158.b214696.29d0bbdf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/25/02 1:27:03 PM !!!First Boot!!!, bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Because in the 84 = UMC Hymnal it has the text "Christ the Lord is Risen <BR>Today, and is far better than the more evangelical "He Lives" <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I don't understand why UMC ministers perfer to use "He Lives" on = Easter. &nbsp;&nbsp;It really is a general hymn. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It just = goes to show that most of them don't read beyond the title. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>But, &nbsp;it's not worth getting fired over. <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_158.b214696.29d0bbdf_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:01:24 -0500   I'm surprised that LLanfair isn't on "the list"- I've sung (or played, or both) it at just about every Easter service I've ever been to. Incidentally, does anyone know which town of LLanfair the tune is = dedicated to? There seem to be several, including LLanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch, known locally as LLanfair PG or "The town with the long name".   I loved, travelling in Wales, going by all the hymn-tunes- LLanfair, Gwalchmai, Aberystwyth, LLangloffan, Llanyffni, LLansannan...and finally learning how to pronounce them!   Paul     http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: IMPORTANT!! Re: FW: Virus Alert! - General Alert From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:19:14 -0600   At 9:52 AM -0500 03/25/2002, COLASACCO, ROBERT wrote: >FYI This is from our computer support department here and thus official. >Keep your eyes open!! >+++++++++ >> >> Hello, >> >> Warning, there is a new e-mail virus spreading through the Internet! = The >> virus details are: >> >> Virus Name: W32/MyLife.b@MM >> >> What to do: If you receive any e-mails with an attachment named = cari.scr, >> please DO NOT open the attachment and delete the e-mail. The e-mail > > subject line is "bill caricature". > >   Although Robert didn't follow the List Rules and has apologized to the Administrators about sending this Virus Warning it IS a REAL virus. I am quoting below from the Symantec Security Response pae about it.   "W32.MyLife.B@mm is a mass-mailing worm that uses Microsoft Outlook to spread to all addresses in the Outlook address book. It copies itself to C:\Windows \System\Cari.scr and may delete files, depending on the system time."   If you want more information or need removal instructions please go to: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.mylife.b@mm.htm= l     David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:45:15 -0500   At Gace Lutheran, Lancaster PA -- where I'm about to retire! :-) -- = we have maintained a "hymn of record," a copy of LBW with the date noted on each page when we have sung that hymn. The record begins with a computer file 1992 - 1997 which my predecessor left. I had a church volunteer = enter each date Grace used a given hymn into this "hymnal of record," thus enabling one to see quicklly how many times and on what dates any given = hymn was sung.   I select all the hymns as recommendations to the pastors, who suggest adjustments according to whatever they find valuable; after that we have = an approved list of hymns. We do it by seasons of the church year, and just last week we did the Easter season hymns. Thus, TODAY I'll prepare organ music choices for Easter season and get them to the secretary and the = woman who puts them up on our web site.   I have tended to regard as unfamiliar those hymns not on my = prdecessor's list or now not makred in this "hymnal of record", except for hymns that "everybody knows" and which he tended not to choose, for whatever reason. Thus, I've found that some "older-timers" know hymns in LBW not used by = my immediate predecessor. Yet, except for perhaps 20 hymns, our "hymnal of record" is a fairly accurate indication of what the congregation knows and will inform my successor quite handily.   Such a "hymnal of record" can be invaluable in situations where = someone claims that the people don't know a given hymn. If you look in my LBW of record, you see how many times people have sung "Llanfair" and thus that it's perfectly familiar. If only Bridgewater UMC had such a reference; it could have cleared the air for our fellow list-reader.   Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA   > From: "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:51:13 -0500 > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: hymns and the clergy > > > I know that from time to time the issue of relations between musicians = and > clergy pop up here. However, I need to bring up the dreaded subject = again > to get some advice. > > I had a run in this morning with the senior clergy at the parish where I > work. I have chosen most of the hymnody for holy week and easter. I > partiularly gave attention to Easter hymns due to the fact that I am = useing > Brass with organ and had a limited number of arrangements at my = disposal. > > The hymn in question is Llanfair. The pastor approached me this = morning,as > I entered the church, to tell me that HE didnt know the hymn and thus he > didnt think that the congregation or choir would know it. I told him I > thought that they did but that I would check with the choir. I polled = the > choir and had them run through it. Of course they knew it and sang = lustily! > One of my support folks, who happens to be chair of the Worship work = area, > told me she would have a talk with him. Apparantly she did because on = my > way out of the church, he accosted me again with the argument that even = IF > the choir knew it he didnt think people would and it would be a "downer" = I > explained that I had run the choir through it and ect. No give. This = is a > long standing issue with him as I dont have much input into the hymns = and I > typically get them on Wednesday! > > Anyway, any thoughts on how to deal with this. I plan to stand firm but = the > anger and frustration are getting in the way of my usual professional = and > well thought out responses to this kind of thing. Any help you can give > would be much appreciated. > > Thanks much! > > Craig > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at = http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Need Clark Wilson's E-mail address. (cross-posted) From: "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:22:45 -0500   I need Clark Wilson's E-mail address. My current address 0pipes@cloverleaf.net bounced. If you have his current address please = reply privately. Thank you!   Ken Evans, RTOS Director (past-President)    
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy - Let's Hear It! From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:40:25 -0500   Well, Paul,   We shall look forward to the sound clip that you add to your webpage, particularly pronouncing "The Long One."   Please and thanks,   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy     > I'm surprised that LLanfair isn't on "the list"- I've sung (or played, or > both) it at just about every Easter service I've ever been to. > Incidentally, does anyone know which town of LLanfair the tune is dedicated > to? There seem to be several, including > LLanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch, known locally > as LLanfair PG or "The town with the long name". > > I loved, travelling in Wales, going by all the hymn-tunes- LLanfair, > Gwalchmai, Aberystwyth, LLangloffan, Llanyffni, LLansannan...and finally > learning how to pronounce them! > > Paul > > > http://www.sover.net/~popel        
(back) Subject: NZ organ From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:13:26 +1200   Every so often I'm posting an NZ organ. This time it's EPSOM METHODIST, AUCKLAND This instrument, across the front of a brick church seating at maximum = 230, was originally the old late-19th-century Conacher (from England) in Auckland's Pitt Street Methodist. I believe it originally had about 7 on = the Great, 9 on the Swell and 2 on the Pedal, plus 4 couplers. When the organ came here from Pitt Street, they had to leave behind their huge 16ft Open Wood. The organ was rededicated here after a rebuild by Geo.Croft in July 1952. The console is detached. Compass 61/30. I'll give the stopkeys = exactly as they are from left to right across the console, all in a most peculiar order which has no one has been able to explain!! PEDAL 32 Acoustic Bass (derived, very effective) 16 Echo Bourdon (from Swell) 16 SubBass (largish stopt wood) 16 Open Diapason (extn Gt OpDiap, 1-12 inside the case of haskelled wood, but they are of good tone and sound like open metal) 8 Bass Flute (extn SubBass) 4 Flute (further extn) Choir to Pedal Swell to Pedal Great to Pedal   SWELL (the shutters are vertical, half facing north, the other half facing = south) 8 Celeste (TenC) 8 Gamba 8 Rohr Flute (wood, bored stoppers) 4 Lieblich Flute 8 Open Diapason 4 Principal 8 Oboe 8 Horn 16 Bourdon (all wood) 2 Flautina Tremulant Swell SubOctave Swell Octave   GREAT Swell to Great Choir to Great 8 Stopped Diapason 8 Open Diapason 2 4 Open Flute 8 Open Diapason 1 4 Principal 16 Open Diapason (extn 4ft) . Mixture II (12.15)   CHOIR (this division placed under the Swell box. Horizontal shutters facing upwards) Swell to Choir Choir SubOctave Choir Octave 8 Dulciana (1-12 stopt) 8 Lieblich Gedackt 4 Flauto Dolce 8 Clarinet Tremulant   ACCESSORIES thumb pistons - 4 Swell 3 Great 3 Choir toe pistons - 3 Pedal 4 Swell & Pedal Great to Pedal (rev.) Swell to Great (rev.) 3 Great & Pedal   So, the electric action is now 50 years old. It's not a great organ, and = the design is not what one would ideally wish for, but there are many very = fine Victorian ranks and the organ is clear-toned and bright, meaning the small congregation at this suburban church have a remarkable instrument. It's unlikely to be rebuilt any time soon.   Regards, Ross      
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:18:18 EST     --part1_90.2358ae11.29d0ee1a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   After I left, I learned the Music Director, whom I remembered seeing on = the stairs, had been involved in Satan worship at one time. Stranger things = have happened. Lee   --part1_90.2358ae11.29d0ee1a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#000040" SIZE=3D2>After = I left, I learned the Music Director, whom I remembered seeing on the = stairs, had been involved in Satan worship at one time.&nbsp; Stranger = things have happened.&nbsp; Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_90.2358ae11.29d0ee1a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Hymns and Clergy From: <CdyVanpool@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:28:17 EST     --part1_145.bb4c2b7.29d0f071_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     I agree with Bruce on this one. Give them the hymns they know and love on =   these special days of the church. If we did not sing "Christ the Lord is Risen Today" ( Easter Hymn, Lyra Davidica) and " Crown Him With Many Crowns" (Diademata) the congregation would probably run us out of town on a rail. <G> These 2 hymns have been = the hymns used for Easter Sunday as long as I have been a member of this = church, and that has been since 1964. I can drop out playing anywhere in these 2 hymns, the volume does not drop.....they SING it because they KNOW it. It is thrilling to drop out = and hear the 4 part harmony actually swell. I almost don't want to come back in.....(but I do....<G>)   We, being professionals, can master the music after a couple of shots, so = the words now are very important to us. The congregation is still struggling with the melody, at this point they couldn't care less about the words. = And so.......... they don't even attempt to sing.   We talk about tradition, on this list, all the time, give em a break and = let them sing the hymns that they know and love on Easter and other special Sundays. There are other Sundays we can try new things.   My 2 cents......   Van Vanpool, organist FUMC, Bowie, Texas   --part1_145.bb4c2b7.29d0f071_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D"Georgia" LANG=3D"0"><B><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B>I agree with = Bruce on this one.&nbsp; Give them the hymns they know and love on these = special days of the church.&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> If we did not sing&nbsp; "Christ the Lord is Risen Today" ( Easter Hymn, = Lyra Davidica)&nbsp; and " Crown Him With Many Crowns" (Diademata) the = congregation would probably run us out of town on a rail. &lt;G&gt; These = 2 hymns have been the hymns used for Easter Sunday as long as I have been = a member of this church, and that has been since 1964.<BR> I can drop out playing anywhere in these 2 hymns, the volume does not = drop.....they SING it because they KNOW it. It is thrilling to drop out = and hear the 4 part harmony actually swell. I almost don't want to come = back in.....(but I do....&lt;G&gt;)<BR> <BR> We, being professionals, can master the music after a couple of shots, so = the words now are very important to us.&nbsp; The congregation is still = struggling with the melody, at this point they couldn't care less about = the words.&nbsp; And so.......... they don't even attempt to sing.<BR> <BR> We talk about tradition, on this list, all the time, give em a break and = let them sing the hymns that they know and love on Easter and other = special Sundays. There are other Sundays we can try new things. <BR> <BR> My 2 cents......<BR> <BR> Van Vanpool, organist<BR> FUMC, Bowie, Texas</FONT></HTML>   --part1_145.bb4c2b7.29d0f071_boundary--  
(back) Subject: New Lutheran Hymnal From: <Pepehomer@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:40:35 EST   I thought this would be of some interest to those on the list, especially = those who haven't seen the process of forming a new hymnal (like myself) - = it is the new LCMS hymnal, of which I am already surprised that I don't = see the Divine Service that was popular in the "green" and "blue" hymnals.   http://worship.lcms.org/LHP/LHPFieldtest2002/LHPtest2002index.htm   Enjoy!   Justin Karch Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS Rome, GA  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:50:57 -0600   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --Boundary_(ID_E2aQBqJr4Ddw4elUJzCNwg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 3/25/02 11:31 AM, Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > I'm not sure I understand this statement, but this is a common problem = in > Episcopal churches, too. None of my Lutheran musician friends pick = their=3D own > hymns.=3D20   Not sure about the Episcopalians, but in the Anglican Church in Canada, = the rector has sole authority for all music in the church under Canon Law. So it=3DB9s not just a common problem =3DAD dem=3DB9s da rools! Many rectors = delegate the responsibility to their Music Director but it is completely their prerogative.   Russ Greene   --Boundary_(ID_E2aQBqJr4Ddw4elUJzCNwg) Content-type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: hymns and the clergy</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica">On 3/25/02 11:31 AM, Cremona502@cs.com wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">I'm not sure I understand this = statement, but this is a common problem in Episcopal churches, too. = &nbsp;None of my Lutheran musician friends pick their own hymns. <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><BR> Not sure about the Episcopalians, but in the Anglican Church in Canada, = the rector has sole authority for all music in the church under Canon Law. = So it&#8217;s not just a common problem &#8211; dem&#8217;s da rools! Many = rectors delegate the responsibility to their Music Director but it is = completely their prerogative.<BR> <BR> Russ Greene</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --Boundary_(ID_E2aQBqJr4Ddw4elUJzCNwg)--  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:19:22 EST   Hi Russ:   I get to pick all my own hymns for five services every weekend. I guess it's my effusive, sunny happy personality! :) The pastor has never bothered me, about too fast too slow, too loud too soft. He smiles when he sees me, and I am a very happy man. The man is a living saint. I guess I should pinch myself every once in a while, as this job is a dream for most musicians, including me. I've been there almost since the pipe organ was installed. He pays well, and I get $150.00 per wedding or funeral. Fr. Daniel Johnson is so happy with the music, that he won't change a thing. I'm Blessed a thousand fold.   Ron Severin   PS I've been to all those other places too. :(  
(back) Subject: Compton Organs From: "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:47:26 -0500   To the List:   Although the name of the Church escapes me at the present time,back in the late 50's Compton built a three manual organ with lighted stops (a novelty at the time to be sure),and a huge box which was their 32'Octave in the Pedal division. This organ also incorporated some six or eight ranks from an early organ that was supposedly played frequently by Handel.   Compton did a lot of work with Diaphones and I believe was one of the first to mix pipes with electronics. Sandy MacPherson used to entertain us daily with popular organ music over BBC radio.   Antoni Scott  
(back) Subject: The Lord taketh away, and the Lord giveth . . . From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:25:57 -0600   We are grandparents! We have baby kitties - 3 and counting. I didn't know nuttin' about birthing no babies. But she wanted me to hold her hand and witness the blessed events, say sweet nothings about how proud I was of her for having them in the garage and not in the woods or barn, croon to her what a good mommie she was, remind her to breathe and push, and stuff like that. Thank God I had seen it all on TV.   When I saw how difficult labor was for Woodell, I was mighty glad I have not experienced the same! I'm sure Rick felt the same - she bit him when the worst pains hit for the first one. Worse than having a 16' bombarde shoved up . . . well, I digress.   Glenda Sutton              
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:48:48 -0600   ----- Original Message ----- From: "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 7:26 AM Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy     > is far better than the more evangelical "He Lives"   Oh dear! I know that one too. You wouldn't sing that, would you?   John.    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns and the clergy From: "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:58:47 -0500     >>The Minister ALWAYS wins, especially in the UMC. If you do it against >>his >wishes, please keep in touch with us and let us know where you will be >playing after Easter. >;-)   Bruce:   I have to take issue with you here. The minister does not always win in = the UMC tradition. Also, I discovered today that is expressly says that I = have the burden of choosing hymns. This particular clergy is difficult in that =   he does not use a lectionary and seems to cut and paste his sermnons from notes and help aids. Apparantly late in the week to boot. The administrative structure is on my side and the program has improved dramatically in my short tenure. You can visit me at Bridgewater for many =   years to come!   All my best to you in this busy week!   Craig     _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns and Clergy From: "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:10:34 -0500     > >I agree with Bruce on this one. Give them the hymns they know and love = on >these special days of the church. >If we did not sing "Christ the Lord is Risen Today" ( Easter Hymn, Lyra >Davidica) and " Crown Him With Many Crowns" (Diademata) the congregation >would probably run us out of town on a rail   Ok folks let me explain, I AM useing these hymns but I NEED FOUR, yes = folks count em and the UMC hymnal is no exactly full of the great easter hymns = of the higher traditions. PLUS THEY KNOW THE HYMN only the pastor doesnt. = Not exactly a good reason to not do it. I found today that they often sang = this hymn on easter day before this pastor came. Thats the real issue here.   Craig     _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at = http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.    
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:17:33 -0600   Bruce wrote:   >Geez... I hope when you left you took your "doll with >pins" from the minister's office!! >Sounds like that church had a heck of a big "dead >chicken" collection. ;-)   It sounds a little extreme even to me. Of course, while he was Rector of Holy Trinity (Episcopal), Rittenhouse Square, Philadelphia, my wife's grandfather did once have a member of the congregation pull a gun on him. The church secretary fortunately managed to grab it ...   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: The Lord taketh away, and the Lord giveth . . . From: "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:20:53 -0800 (PST)   oh, Glena, happy happy to you all.   Alan   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards=AE http://movies.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:21:47 EST     --part1_c6.8be157d.29d1353b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/25/02 9:19:06 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Chicaleee@aol.com writes:     > After I left, I learned the Music Director, whom I remembered seeing on = the >   In some parishes I've been in this would also be known as kissing up to = the boss!   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_c6.8be157d.29d1353b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/25/02 9:19:06 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Chicaleee@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000040" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">After I left, I learned the Music Director, whom I remembered seeing = on the stairs, had been involved in Satan worship at one time. = </BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>In some parishes I've been in this would also be known as kissing up = to the boss! <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_c6.8be157d.29d1353b_boundary--