PipeChat Digest #2778 - Tuesday, March 26, 2002
 
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by "Scott Davis" <stalan@ix.netcom.com>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by <MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net>
Re: The Lord taketh away, and the Lord giveth . . .
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: Hymns and the clergy
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: hymns and the clergy
  by "Joshua Edwards" <fbcorganist@charter.net>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Hymns and Clergy
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Compton Organs
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re: Hymns and Clergy
  by "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:28:15 EST     --part1_14c.b18816f.29d136bf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/26/02 2:20:50 AM !!!First Boot!!!, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes:     > my wife's > grandfather did once have a member of the congregation pull a gun on = him. > The church secretary fortunately managed to grab it ... >   Aw.... too bad! ;-) heeheehee   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_14c.b18816f.29d136bf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/26/02 2:20:50 AM !!!First Boot!!!, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">my wife's <BR>grandfather did once have a member of the congregation pull a gun on = him. <BR>The church secretary fortunately managed to grab it ... <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Aw.... too bad! &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR>heeheehee <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_14c.b18816f.29d136bf_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: "Scott Davis" <stalan@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:37:36 -0600   SXMgaXQgcG9zc2libGUgdG8gYXBwcm9hY2ggUGFzdG9yIGFuZCBhc2sgdGhhdCB3b3JzaGlwDQp= t YXkgYmUgcGxhbm5lZCB0byBhdm9pZCBzdWNoIGRpZmZlcmVuY2VzPw0KDQp8IHJlbGF0aW9ucyB= i ZXR3ZWVuIG11c2ljaWFucyBhbmQgY2xlcmd5DQoNClNjb3R0DQpGVU1DIEF1c3Rpbg0K    
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: <MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:16:08 EST     --part1_3b.241f06db.29d141f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   In a message dated 3/25/02 6:52:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,=3D20 rggreene2@shaw.ca writes:     > Not sure about the Episcopalians, but in the Anglican Church in Canada, = th=3D e=3D20 > rector has sole authority for all music in the church under Canon Law. = So=3D20=3D it > =3DE2=3D80=3D99s not just a common problem =3DE2=3D80=3D93 = dem=3DE2=3D80=3D99s da rools! Man=3D y rectors delegate the=3D20 > responsibility to their Music Director but it is completely their=3D20 > prerogative. >=3D20 > Russ Greene=3D20   The rector also has the authority to dictate what fertilizer is used on = the=3D20 church lawn, but seeing as the rector's profession is NOT lawn care, it = is=3D20 left to a professional in that field. What's different about music? = Unless=3D =3D20 the rector has a music degree or the eqivalent, I don't care what "Canon = Law=3D "=3D20 says, you hire professionals to do what they do in their field of = expertise.=3D =3D20 He preaches and waves his hands....the musician plays and plans music. = Why=3D20 is this so hard to grasp?   My 10%   Jeremy Rush .....who plays in an Episcopal Church that is run properly   --part1_3b.241f06db.29d141f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated 3/25/02 6:52:51 PM Eastern = Standard=3D Time, rggreene2@shaw.ca writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT=3D : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Not sure about the = Episcopalian=3D s, but in the Anglican Church in Canada, the rector has sole authority for = a=3D ll music in the church under Canon Law. So it=3DE2=3D80=3D99s not just a = common pr=3D oblem =3DE2=3D80=3D93 dem=3DE2=3D80=3D99s da rools! Many rectors delegate = the responsibi=3D lity to their Music Director but it is completely their prerogative.<BR> <BR> Russ Greene </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> The rector also has the authority to dictate what fertilizer is used on = the=3D20=3D church lawn, but seeing as the rector's profession is NOT lawn care, it is = l=3D eft to a professional in that field.&nbsp; What's different about = music?&nbs=3D p; Unless the rector has a music degree or the eqivalent, I don't care = what=3D20=3D "Canon Law" says, you hire professionals to do what they do in their field = o=3D f expertise.&nbsp; He preaches and waves his hands....the musician plays = and=3D plans music.&nbsp; Why is this so hard to grasp?<BR> <BR> My 10%<BR> <BR> Jeremy Rush<BR> .....who plays in an Episcopal Church that is run properly</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3b.241f06db.29d141f8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:00:34 -0800   Hi,   My mother was organist in a Methodist church where the minister once told her that the reason giving was down was because her offertories were too slow. Fast offertories, he said, caused people to give more. I think = this line of reasoning is a bunch of bull, but he got after her on more than = one occasion.   Best wishes, Mike          
(back) Subject: Re: The Lord taketh away, and the Lord giveth . . . From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:11:40 -0500   > oh, Glena, happy happy to you all. > > Alan   What Alan said and then some! TommyLee    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns and the clergy From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:40:20 EST   stalan@ix.netcom.com avows:   >> SXMgaXQgcG9zc2libGUgdG8gYXBwcm9hY2ggUGFzdG9yIGFuZCBhc2sgdGhhdCB3b3JzaGlwDQp= t YXkgYmUgcGxhbm5lZCB0byBhdm9pZCBzdWNoIGRpZmZlcmVuY2VzPw0KDQp8IHJlbGF0aW9ucyB= i ZXR3ZWVuIG11c2ljaWFucyBhbmQgY2xlcmd5DQoNClNjb3R0DQpGVU1DIEF1c3Rpbg0K <<   My sentiments exactly. I am glad someone finally had the guts to say so!!   Best wishes, Jim P        
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:58:21 EST     --part1_26.251fd7b8.29d159ed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/26/02 2:35:36 AM !!!First Boot!!!, = stalan@ix.netcom.com writes:     > SXMgaXQgcG9zc2libGUgdG8gYXBwcm9hY2ggUGFzdG9yIGFuZCBhc > ZXR3ZWVuIG11c2ljaWFucyBhbmQgY2xlcmd5DQoNClNjb3R0DQpGV .. etc.     what tune??? ;-)   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_26.251fd7b8.29d159ed_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/26/02 2:35:36 AM !!!First Boot!!!, stalan@ix.netcom.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">SXMgaXQgcG9zc2libGUgdG8gYXBwcm9hY2ggUGFzdG9yIGFuZCBhc <BR>ZXR3ZWVuIG11c2ljaWFucyBhbmQgY2xlcmd5DQoNClNjb3R0DQpGV</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> .. etc. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>what tune??? &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_26.251fd7b8.29d159ed_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: hymns and the clergy From: "Joshua Edwards" <fbcorganist@charter.net> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:05:23 -0500   Sounds like Widor's Toccata to me!!! hehehehe   Josh Edwards     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Cremona502@cs.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:58 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy     In a message dated 3/26/02 2:35:36 AM !!!First Boot!!!, stalan@ix.netcom.com writes:       SXMgaXQgcG9zc2libGUgdG8gYXBwcm9hY2ggUGFzdG9yIGFuZCBhc ZXR3ZWVuIG11c2ljaWFucyBhbmQgY2xlcmd5DQoNClNjb3R0DQpGV ... etc.     what tune??? ;-)   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >    
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:02:03 -0500     In a message dated 3/26/02 2:35:36 AM !!!First Boot!!!, = stalan@ix.netcom.com writes:     SXMgaXQgcG9zc2libGUgdG8gYXBwcm9hY2ggUGFzdG9yIGFuZCBhc ZXR3ZWVuIG11c2ljaWFucyBhbmQgY2xlcmd5DQoNClNjb3R0DQpGV   ... etc.   Then Brewse enquired:     what tune??? ;-)   Llanfair.............................................................gogogo= ch, of course.     Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:10:42 EST     --part1_71.1cb9c3aa.29d15cd2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Mike, did she tell him what happened to the money changers in the Temple? =   Lee   --part1_71.1cb9c3aa.29d15cd2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#000040" SIZE=3D2>Mike, = did she tell him what happened to the money changers in the Temple?&nbsp; = Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_71.1cb9c3aa.29d15cd2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:11:00 EST   Mike Swaldo sez:   >My mother was organist in a Methodist church where the minister once told >her that the reason giving was down was because her offertories were too >slow. Fast offertories, he said, caused people to give more. <<   Really? I shall test this theory Sunday by rendering "Kitten on the Keys" = in honor of Glenda's feline family increase. :))   Offering was down as Herring Avenue UMC on Palm Sunday because the altar guild elected to polish all the brass. A stunning cross and gleaming = candle holders graced the altar.....but no collection plates. The discovery was made after the ushers had been summoned. The pastor deftly relocated the Offering to a later place in the service and dispatched a search party for =   the AWOL plates. No luck! Methodist ingenuity rose to the occasion when metal pie pans were = confiscated from the kitchen and dutifully passed up and down the pews. Fortunately = they were buried under fronds of palm branches after arrival at the altar.   Just when you think you've seen everything.......................   Best wishes, Jim P  
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns and Clergy From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:38:03 -0800   The Episcopal Hymnal 1940 doesn't have enough, either ... we sing:   Jesus Christ is Risen Today - Easter Hymn Hail Thee, Festival Day - Salve festa dies or plainsong, depending on processional or communion use Welcome, Happy Morning - Fortunatus - the old Methodist Hymnal had it to = Hermas Jesus Lives! - St. Albinus At the Lamb's High Feast - Salzburg He Is Risen - Neander The Strife Is O'er - Victory Alleluia! Alleluia! Hearts and Voices Heavenward Raise - Ode to Joy (they = don't know Lux Eoi) Come, Ye Faithful - St. Kevin The Day of Resurrection - Ellacombe or All Hallows Christians, To The Paschal Victim - plainsong That Easter Day With Joy Was Bright - Puer Nobis O Sons and Daughters - O Filii Come, Risen Lord - Edsall Ye Choirs of New Jerusalem - Mechlin chant (not in the Hymnal) Lift Thy Voice Rejoicing, Mary - German 17th century (not in the Hymnal)   and that STILL isn't enough for the forty days and five Sundays of = Eastertide (grin). Fortunately I can PRINT whatever we need in the music insert for = the bulletins. But we still have to repeat things.   Cheers,   Bud       BridgewaterUMC Director of Music wrote:   > > > >I agree with Bruce on this one. Give them the hymns they know and love = on > >these special days of the church. > >If we did not sing "Christ the Lord is Risen Today" ( Easter Hymn, = Lyra > >Davidica) and " Crown Him With Many Crowns" (Diademata) the = congregation > >would probably run us out of town on a rail > > Ok folks let me explain, I AM useing these hymns but I NEED FOUR, yes = folks > count em and the UMC hymnal is no exactly full of the great easter hymns = of > the higher traditions. PLUS THEY KNOW THE HYMN only the pastor doesnt. = Not > exactly a good reason to not do it. I found today that they often sang = this > hymn on easter day before this pastor came. Thats the real issue here. > > Craig > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at = http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Compton Organs From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:14:20 +0000   Dear Antoni, At the risk of being pedantic I think you must be referring to the organ = in Canons Park, Edgeware which was the private chapel of The Duke of Chandos when Handel was his "musician in residence" which I mentioned in my post yesterday.It was a 2 manual organ, and did have a 32' diaphone - I think = (I haven't played it for some 30 years and then only a couple of times). = Surely Sandy Macpherson broadcast from the BBC moller in the organ studio - I believe a converted chapel - in Hoxton. This had been Reginal Foort's touring organ and had a four manual console. This is featured on the cover =   of "Cinema Organ Volume II", a flapper recording. Regards John Foss       >From: Antoni Scott <ascott@epix.net> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Compton Organs >Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:47:26 -0500 > >To the List: > >Although the name of the Church escapes me at the present time,back in >the late 50's Compton built a three manual organ with lighted stops (a >novelty at the time to be sure),and a huge box which was their >32'Octave in the Pedal division. This organ also incorporated some six >or eight ranks from an early organ that was supposedly played frequently >by Handel. > >Compton did a lot of work with Diaphones and I believe was one of the >first to mix pipes with electronics. Sandy MacPherson used to entertain >us daily with popular organ music over BBC radio. > >Antoni Scott > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >         _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns and Clergy From: "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:15:27 -0000   As the person responsible for choosing all that is sung and performed in = the church where I play (making sure that this arrangement is one of the terms and conditions of my appointment) I'm doing many of those you have mentioned; but also making sure that I add one NEW hymn to every service. I have made it a point for many years to listen to one new piece of music every week (all the way through, not just the 'pretty' bits .. to try to understand what the composer is trying to say), and to read one new piece = of literature every month. How else are we going to keep pace with progress - as well as be bastions = of the past ? I also have one new work of my own performed by one or other of the groups with which I am associated - every 3 to 4 months - depending on concert schedules, etc. Keeps me 'fresh' and 'up-to-my-cake-and-milk' - as some people say, round here.   Harry   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 26 March 2002 06:23 Subject: Re: Hymns and Clergy     >The Episcopal Hymnal 1940 doesn't have enough, either ... we sing: > >Jesus Christ is Risen Today - Easter Hymn >Hail Thee, Festival Day - Salve festa dies or plainsong, depending on >processional or communion use >Welcome, Happy Morning - Fortunatus - the old Methodist Hymnal had it to Hermas >Jesus Lives! - St. Albinus >At the Lamb's High Feast - Salzburg >He Is Risen - Neander >The Strife Is O'er - Victory >Alleluia! Alleluia! Hearts and Voices Heavenward Raise - Ode to Joy (they don't >know Lux Eoi) >Come, Ye Faithful - St. Kevin >The Day of Resurrection - Ellacombe or All Hallows >Christians, To The Paschal Victim - plainsong >That Easter Day With Joy Was Bright - Puer Nobis >O Sons and Daughters - O Filii >Come, Risen Lord - Edsall >Ye Choirs of New Jerusalem - Mechlin chant (not in the Hymnal) >Lift Thy Voice Rejoicing, Mary - German 17th century (not in the Hymnal) > >and that STILL isn't enough for the forty days and five Sundays of Eastertide >(grin). Fortunately I can PRINT whatever we need in the music insert for the >bulletins. But we still have to repeat things. > >Cheers, > >Bud > > > >BridgewaterUMC Director of Music wrote: > >> > >> >I agree with Bruce on this one. Give them the hymns they know and = love on >> >these special days of the church. >> >If we did not sing "Christ the Lord is Risen Today" ( Easter Hymn, = Lyra >> >Davidica) and " Crown Him With Many Crowns" (Diademata) the congregation >> >would probably run us out of town on a rail >> >> Ok folks let me explain, I AM useing these hymns but I NEED FOUR, yes folks >> count em and the UMC hymnal is no exactly full of the great easter = hymns of >> the higher traditions. PLUS THEY KNOW THE HYMN only the pastor doesnt. Not >> exactly a good reason to not do it. I found today that they often sang this >> hymn on easter day before this pastor came. Thats the real issue here. >> >> Craig >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >