PipeChat Digest #2779 - Tuesday, March 26, 2002
 
Re: Hymns and Clergy
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Theatre Organ Article
  by "Robert Ridgeway" <robert@magneticlab.com>
RE: hymns and the clergy
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
SOMEWHAT OFF-TOPIC: singing general hymns for feasts
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
chilluns/and kittiecats
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
RE: Hymns and Clergy
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: hymns and the clergy
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: SOMEWHAT OFF-TOPIC: singing general hymns for feasts
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Hymns and Clergy
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: SOMEWHAT OFF-TOPIC: singing general hymns for feasts
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
The going rank rate?
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
Re: The going rank rate?
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Hymns and Clergy From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:04:58 EST     --part1_5f.24b323a6.29d1cbfa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/26/02 6:36:41 AM !!!First Boot!!!, = quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > The Episcopal Hymnal 1940 doesn't have enough, either ...   Dear heaven, forgive me for even mentioning it,   but has anyone thought of singing general hymns of praise.... there IS = more to the day than ONE subject!!   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_5f.24b323a6.29d1cbfa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/26/02 6:36:41 AM !!!First Boot!!!, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The Episcopal = Hymnal 1940 doesn't have enough, either ... </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Dear heaven, forgive me for even mentioning it, <BR> <BR>but has anyone thought of singing general hymns of praise.... = &nbsp;&nbsp;there IS more to the day than ONE subject!! <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_5f.24b323a6.29d1cbfa_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Theatre Organ Article From: "Robert Ridgeway" <robert@magneticlab.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:02:58 -0600     > >From: Robert Ridgeway <robert@magneticlab.com> >Subject: Theatre Organ Article > >There is a fine article in the current issue of the Smithsonian Magazine >on the Wurlitzer Theatre Organ. Here is the URL: > > >http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues02/apr02/object.html    
(back) Subject: RE: hymns and the clergy From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:19:39 -0600   And I thought things like that happened only at St. Agatha's!   Thank you - let me know the amount of proceeds after that offertory. If it works, well . . . .   In my perfect world of beautiful corporate worship, the planning of the service - including music, rite, prayers and sermon - would be done by an amicable priest and organist, with reference to the scriptures, the season, and the traditional/historical importance of the particular day, so that it would become a unified whole. People would come into church in awe and silence reverence, and leave inspired and girded to serve the Lord.   Without a vision the people perish.   Glenda Sutton (there are four! And all are well.)     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Wurlibird1@aol.com   Really? I shall test this theory Sunday by rendering "Kitten on the Keys" in honor of Glenda's feline family increase. :))   Offering was down as Herring Avenue UMC on Palm Sunday because the altar   guild elected to polish all the brass. A stunning cross and gleaming candle holders graced the altar.....but no collection plates. The discovery was made after the ushers had been summoned. The pastor deftly relocated the Offering to a later place in the service and dispatched a search party for the AWOL plates. No luck!   Methodist ingenuity rose to the occasion when metal pie pans were confiscated from the kitchen and dutifully passed up and down the pews. Fortunately they were buried under fronds of palm branches after arrival at the altar.        
(back) Subject: SOMEWHAT OFF-TOPIC: singing general hymns for feasts From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:29:57 -0800     --------------60C96061CE033FA60C78D1E5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 3/26/02 6:36:41 AM !!!First Boot!!!, > quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > > > >> The Episcopal Hymnal 1940 doesn't have enough, either ... > > Dear heaven, forgive me for even mentioning it, > > but has anyone thought of singing general hymns of praise.... there > IS more to the day than ONE subject!! > > Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com >   No, there isn't ... "Easter Day, upon which all the rest doth depend," to quote the Prayer Book.   If you look at the Missal propers for Easter Day, they repeat the message over and over again:   "Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us; therefore let us keep the feast."   We will sing those words FOUR times in the course of the Easter Day Mass: at the Alleluia Verse, for the Offertory Anthem ( a WONDERFUL Victorian setting by Schilling), at the Fraction Anthem, and at the Communion Verse.   And we will sing about NOTHING *except* Christ's Resurrection for the forty days of Easter.   Granted, there are nuances ... the Five Wounds on St. Thomas Sunday ("O Sons and Daughters"), the Good Shepherd on Good Shepherd Sunday (Psalm 23, "The King of Love My Shepherd Is"), etc. ... but it's ALL about Christ's Resurrection, and no other.   We have plenty of time to sing general hymns of praise during Trinitytide ... but they will STILL agree with the theme(s) of the Readings, even so. That's how one MAKES liturgy in the Anglican Church.   I'm always puzzled when you bring this up, Bruce ... it has ALWAYS been the Anglican tradition to sing seasonal hymns / hymns related to the Readings ... high-church, broad-church, low-church ... doesn't matter.   Cheers,   Bud   --------------60C96061CE033FA60C78D1E5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> &nbsp; <p>Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 3/26/02 6:36:41 AM !!!First Boot!!!, quilisma@socal.rr.com = writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>The Episcopal Hymnal 1940 doesn't have enough, either = ...</font></font></blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Dear = heaven, forgive me for even mentioning it,</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>but has = anyone thought of singing general hymns of praise....&nbsp;&nbsp; there IS more to the day than ONE subject!!</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Bruce = Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com ></font></font></font></blockquote> No, there isn't ... "Easter Day, upon which all the rest doth depend," to quote the Prayer Book. <p>If you look at the Missal propers for Easter Day, they repeat the = message over and over again: <p>"Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us; therefore let us keep the feast." <p>We will sing those words FOUR times in the course of the Easter Day Mass: at the Alleluia Verse, for the Offertory Anthem ( a WONDERFUL = Victorian setting by Schilling), at the Fraction Anthem, and at the Communion Verse. <p>And we will sing about NOTHING *except* Christ's Resurrection for the forty days of Easter. <p>Granted, there are nuances ... the Five Wounds on St. Thomas Sunday ("O Sons and Daughters"), the Good Shepherd on Good Shepherd Sunday (Psalm 23, "The King of Love My Shepherd Is"), etc. ... but it's ALL about = Christ's Resurrection, and no other. <p>We have plenty of time to sing general hymns of praise during = Trinitytide .... but they will STILL agree with the theme(s) of the Readings, even so. That's how one MAKES liturgy in the Anglican Church. <p>I'm always puzzled when you bring this up, Bruce ... it has ALWAYS been the Anglican tradition to sing seasonal hymns / hymns related to the = Readings .... high-church, broad-church, low-church ... doesn't matter. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud</html>   --------------60C96061CE033FA60C78D1E5--    
(back) Subject: chilluns/and kittiecats From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:42:22 -0800 (PST)     --- Glenda <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> wrote: > We are grandparents!   Deepest sincerest congratulations!     Thank God I had seen it > all on TV.   See - and there are THOSE who think TV is a vast waste land of absolute nothingness..... (did I say that?)   > When I saw how difficult labor was for Woodell, > I was mighty glad I have > not experienced the same!   Reminds me of a Bill Cosby recording from years ago.....   I'm sure Rick felt > the same - she bit him > when the worst pains hit for the first one. > Worse than having a 16' > bombarde shoved up . . . well, I digress.     Four hours later - am thinking seriously about going to the ER to have my arm checked out -I fell off the chair laughing about that last statement!   Steve     > > Glenda Sutton > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards=AE http://movies.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: RE: Hymns and Clergy From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:43:43 -0500   Harry writes:   > but also making sure that I add one NEW hymn to every service.   Do you intend that they actually learn this hymn? Or are you content for = it to be just as much a new hymn when you schedule it next year as it is this year?   I do salute your courage and resourcefulness; my feeling has always been that what people know is just one consideration. The other is appropriateness for the readings and theme of a given day. Some people = know hymns that others don't. It's not realistic to speak of "the = congregation" as though they were a single individual. Some people are ready and = willing to cope with an admittedly unfamiliar hymn (there may be a few who show = some evidence, for instance, of having attended an elementary school that still had music education in the curriculum). Some just don't care, or, like = you, are open-minded enough to welcome a new experience.   I think that the numbers of the latter are increasing. Churchgoing isn't the universal habit and social necessity that it once was. Many of the = old battleaxes are now in nursing homes. Their place is being taken by young, recently converted Generation Xers to whom *everything* churchly is a new experience, and they wouldn't be there in the first place if they weren't interested in expanding their horizons. The last rector for whom I worked had a real knack for attracting and nurturing these folk. We went through the hymnal pretty well, and if there was *ever* a complaint about a hymn just because it was unfamiliar, I never heard about it. Should everyone = be utterly deprived of what is most appropriate because of the sensitivities = of those most complacent in their ignorance? I very much resent an attitude = of tyranny on the part of a few who would deprive everyone, including the = kids, of something wonderful just because they don't happen to know it, and in years past occasionally told them so to their faces.   But one can also try to enlarge the familiar repertoire by assiduous cultivation, such as an occasional congregational rehearsal to introduce a new hymn tune, followed by use of that tune (not necessarily the same hymn text) every Sunday for at least a month, and then again every several = months for a year. Many church musicians report having done this as part of "building a music program."          
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:42:06 -0600   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --Boundary_(ID_Pg/6SD+9/5yWml9mrRmdkg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 3/25/02 9:16 PM, MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com wrote:   > The rector also has the authority to dictate what fertilizer is used on = t=3D he > church lawn, but seeing as the rector's profession is NOT lawn care, it = i=3D s > left to a professional in that field. >=3D20 > -- Only if the rector decides that it will be delegated to a = professional=3D in > that field. >=3D20 > What's different about music? Unless the rector has a music degree or = th=3D e > eqivalent, I don't care what "Canon Law" says, you hire professionals to = =3D do > what they do in their field of expertise. >=3D20 > -- Only if the rector decides to delegate to a music professional. >=3D20 > He preaches and waves his hands....the musician plays and plans music. = W=3D hy is > this so hard to grasp? >=3D20 > -- You don=3DB9t seem to grasp that because of Canon Law, the rector = gets his=3D way > in the area of music, period. If he is sensible and delegates that > responsibility to a music professional, that=3DB9s great. If he insists = on hi=3D s > right to dominate music in his parish, you lose! Thanks for coming... = dri=3D ve > through. >=3D20 > Russ > who has had great relationships with delgating priests for over 40 years = =3D by > the way. >=3D20     --Boundary_(ID_Pg/6SD+9/5yWml9mrRmdkg) Content-type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: hymns and the clergy</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica">On 3/25/02 9:16 PM, MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com = wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">The rector also has the authority = to dictate what fertilizer is used on the church lawn, but seeing as the = rector's profession is NOT lawn care, it is left to a professional in that = field. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> -- Only if the rector decides that it will be delegated to a professional = in that field.<BR> <BR> What's different about music? &nbsp;Unless the rector has a music degree = or the eqivalent, I don't care what &quot;Canon Law&quot; says, you hire = professionals to do what they do in their field of expertise. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> -- Only if the rector decides to delegate to a music professional.<BR> <BR> He preaches and waves his hands....the musician plays and plans music. = &nbsp;Why is this so hard to grasp?<BR> <BR> -- You don&#8217;t seem to grasp that because of Canon Law, the rector = gets his way in the area of music, period. If he is sensible and delegates = that responsibility to a music professional, that&#8217;s great. If he = insists on his right to dominate music in his parish, you lose! Thanks for = coming... drive through.<BR> <BR> Russ<BR> who has had great relationships with delgating priests for over 40 years = by the way.<BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR> </FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --Boundary_(ID_Pg/6SD+9/5yWml9mrRmdkg)--  
(back) Subject: Re: hymns and the clergy From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:49:52 -0600   Hi Ron:   Just by the way, I'm not complaining about my own situation. I've been blessed with extraordinary rectors (only one exception) over more than 40 years as Organist/Choral Director in several parishes. They've virtually always left the music completely to me and have been effusive in their appreciation. I've had cooperation in abundance and couldn't have asked = for a more fulfilling music ministery.   But that doesn't change the fact that, because of specific Canon Law, our priests are boss, period, no questions asked, when it comes to music. And = it is their option, not their duty, to delegate that responsibility, no = matter how qualified or beloved a music professional they may have in their = parish. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, it's just the way it is.   All blessings, Russ Greene    
(back) Subject: Re: SOMEWHAT OFF-TOPIC: singing general hymns for feasts From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:43:07 EST     --part1_104.13117591.29d21b3b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/26/02 3:28:56 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > I'm always puzzled when you bring this up, Bruce ... it has ALWAYS been = the > Anglican tradition to sing seasonal hymns / hymns related to the = Readings > ... high-church, broad-church, low-church ... doesn't matter. Cheers, >   Not to the absurd point to which we seem to have arrived, so that all of = the hymns say the same dang thing overandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandov= ero   verandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandove= rov   erandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandover= ove   randoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandovero= ver   andoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoverov= era   ndoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandover until I want to scream OK DAMMIT I GET THE POINT CAN WE MOVE ON!!!!   There is so much more to the resurrection message than "He is Risen"... =   there is why, how it effects our lives, how we share this with others, our =   praise to God for this great sacrificial gift. If your going to sing the =   same words overandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandov= ero   verandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandover why do you need = more hymns? Just sing the same ones...overandoveroverandoveroverandover..   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_104.13117591.29d21b3b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/26/02 3:28:56 PM !!!First Boot!!!, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm always puzzled = when you bring this up, Bruce ... it has ALWAYS been the Anglican = tradition to sing seasonal hymns / hymns related to the Readings ... = high-church, broad-church, low-church ... doesn't matter. Cheers, <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Not to the absurd point to which we seem to have arrived, so that all = of the hymns say the same dang thing = overandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandov= eroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverand= overoverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoverovera= ndoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoverove= randoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandovero= verandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandove= roverandover until I want to scream OK DAMMIT I GET THE POINT CAN WE MOVE = ON!!!! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>There is so much more to the resurrection message &nbsp;than "He is = Risen"... &nbsp;&nbsp;there is why, how it effects our lives, how we share = this with others, our praise to God for this great sacrificial gift. = &nbsp;&nbsp;If your going to sing the same words = overandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandov= eroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandoveroverandover why do you need = more hymns? &nbsp;&nbsp;Just sing the same = ones...overandoveroverandoveroverandover.. <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_104.13117591.29d21b3b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns and Clergy From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:45:09 EST     --part1_66.1e517a89.29d21bb5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/26/02 3:48:17 PM !!!First Boot!!!, pemmons@wcupa.edu writes:     > Many of the old > battleaxes are now in nursing homes.   And others of us are just staying home because we can't stand it any more!   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_66.1e517a89.29d21bb5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/26/02 3:48:17 PM !!!First Boot!!!, pemmons@wcupa.edu writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Many of the old <BR>battleaxes are now in nursing homes. &nbsp;</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>And others of us are just staying home because we can't stand it any = more! <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_66.1e517a89.29d21bb5_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: SOMEWHAT OFF-TOPIC: singing general hymns for feasts From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:05:24 -0500   Bud writes:   >We have plenty of time to sing general hymns of praise during Trinitytide .... but they will STILL agree with the theme(s) of the Readings, even so. That's how one MAKES liturgy in the Anglican Church   There are degrees of generality. The 1940 hymnal had two devices that I miss in the 1982 hymnal. First, under the section of general hymns = devoted to Jesus Christ, there are subsections addressing His Nativity, Passion, Resurrection, etc. It is good to turn to these during the respective seasons, but are not limited to them. Secondly, after each special section in the front of the hymnal, there is a list of other hymns appropriate to the time or theme. Some of this apparatus has been put into the accompaniment edition or supplementary planning aids (whether official or not), as well as other resources such as a much more complete Biblical = index for the 1982 hymnal. But I think it was unfortunate that the editors just couldn't see their way to putting some of these in the pew edition. If people in the congregation can see that the choice of a hymn follows some kind of official suggestion or rational plan, they might be less liable to think that the organist picked it just to annoy them :-)      
(back) Subject: The going rank rate? From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:48:10 EST     --part1_174.5c0ed93.29d254aa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hey gang, I have accepted a new and larger church position to start in July. The church has an organ that was built by the retiring organist. The =   instrument is 14 ranks, 6 of which are mixtures, so that doesn't leave = much room for imagination! We are going to have to do something soon, and I'm interested in what the going rate on ranks is. The church needs to add = about 10 ranks to this thing to make it decent, at least! I'm also interested in builders in the NJ area. Any thoughts...   -pete Isherwood   --part1_174.5c0ed93.29d254aa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hey gang, <BR> = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I = have accepted a new and larger church position to start in July. The = church has an organ that was built by the retiring organist. The = instrument is 14 ranks, 6 of which are mixtures, so that doesn't leave = much room for imagination! We are going to have to do something soon, and = I'm interested in what the going rate on ranks is. The church needs to add = about 10 ranks to this thing to make it decent, at least! <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm also interested in builders = in the NJ area. Any thoughts... <BR> <BR>-pete Isherwood</FONT></HTML>   --part1_174.5c0ed93.29d254aa_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: The going rank rate? From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:52:34 EST   I remember when I was in high school in the early 1980's that Wicks and Moller were neck and neck and were getting $5000.00 per rank. Oh that we could go back to those days! I have heard that Schoenstein is getting = $20K and above per rank these days. While that is very high, I will say that = it is worth it if a church can swing it. Jack Bethards is probably one of = the finest builders in the history of American pipe organ construction.   Scott Foppiano