PipeChat Digest #2785 - Sunday, March 31, 2002
 
Re: Bob Griffiths
  by <AFberlin3@aol.com>
Easter Offertory
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Bob Griffiths
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Leiblich Gedact...
  by "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: Lieblich Gedeckt
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
St. John's, Holland Road
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Leiblich Gedact...
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Leiblich Gedact...
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Leiblich Gedact...
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Philadelphia City Paper March 28 - April 4 Page 97 Schlock N Roll Organis
  by <Gamelpt@aol.com>
Easter Greetings:
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Leiblich Gedact...
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Leiblich Gedact pipes: what to do.
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Bob Griffiths From: <AFberlin3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:29:08 EST   Bob Griffiths is, though maybe retired now, the organ professor at Ohio Wesleyan University in Delaware, Ohio.   He was responsible for the installation of the beautiful 4 manual Klais = there (with electric coupling, thank God) in the University Chapel.  
(back) Subject: Easter Offertory From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:44:33 EST   Happy Holy Days to everyone,   Change can bring some unexpected results. Our new church secretary is now =   responsible for preparing, editing, and printing our Sunday service = bulletins for the two churches I serve (UMC). Four hundred have been printed in beautiful and professional layout, eye-catching, easy to read, and with = the following credit:   OFFERTORY: Adagio.............................C.M. Wilder (5th Organ Symphony)   Hope this is not prophetic of the pedal duet. Last week, missing = offertory plates and this week a new composer. Life among Methodists is never dull.   My very best Easter wishes for all, Jim Pitts            
(back) Subject: Re: Bob Griffiths From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:01:41 +0000   Thank you very much for your help. I have sent Bob a message - he is still =   listed as Professor of Organ at Ohio Wesleyan - I remembered the Church where he played the Franck and the Messiaen when I was trying to get to sleep last night - St. John's, Holland Road, West Kensington, London. Magnificent acoustics - I was involved in a recording there with the choir =   of Our Lady of Grace, Chiswick when I accompanied the choir and played = some solos - about 30 years ago! It was called "A concert from Melk Abbey" as = we had just returned from a tour of Europe and had sung this programme in = Melk Abbey. There were only a 1.000 copies made - does anybody by any chance = have one? If so would there be any possibility of a cassette or CD copy from = it? I have lost mine and it would be nice - though I am told that these and other Gaudeamus Records from the 70's are collectors items now! John Foss     >From: AFberlin3@aol.com >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: Bob Griffiths >Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:29:08 EST > >Bob Griffiths is, though maybe retired now, the organ professor at Ohio >Wesleyan University in Delaware, Ohio. > >He was responsible for the installation of the beautiful 4 manual Klais >there >(with electric coupling, thank God) in the University Chapel. > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >         _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at = http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.    
(back) Subject: Leiblich Gedact... From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:09:20 -0000   Dear List,   I have a 'problem' with my church organ. The stoppers in my Leiblich = Gedact no longer stay where the tuner puts them. Apparently the ends of the = pipes have become too wide through lots of years of tuning. The solution the tuner offered was to take them away and have them re-rolled. However, it crossed my mind that there might be redundant pipe work available. Any ideas whether this would work out cheaper or be better or worse in the = long run? Has anyone done this or had pipes re-rolled who could offer me = advice?   Many thanks, and a very happy Easter to you all (slightly early I know, = but over here in the UK we'll be up much earlier than you in the states = anyway!! hehe)   Steve Organist and Choirmaster St Stephen's Church Canterbury, UK   P.S. Rector leaves tomorrow 8^(    
(back) Subject: Re: Lieblich Gedeckt From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 12:43:05 EST   Dear Mr. Barker:   Stoppered metal Lieblich Gedeckts and Lieblich Flutes are much more common = in British instruments than they are Stateside, although Casavant (among = others, I'm sure) built them for many years. American instruments tend to have a sliding, felted canister atop the pipe to avoid the very problem of which = you speak.   The pipe metal has been deformed and weakend - stretched - so that "re-rolling" does not seem to be a longlasting solution. The strength of = the metal is no longer as it was when it came off the casting table and was = cured and planed. Older flutes are frequently of higher lead content than many other stops, which makes the softness even more of a problem.   HOWEVER, a good pipemaker can probably cut the stretched sections off the pipe and fashion new, tightly fitting canisters. Such stops frequently employed drilled stopper handles, giving a slight Chimney Flute tone to = the stop. If this is the case, you have some overlength if you are going to a =   fully closed cap.   Rendundant sets are always available, and are certainly a good investment = if clean in and good repair and regulation. Just make sure that the scale = will fit on the soundboard in question. A stopped wooden bass is frequently employed in the 16' and 8' octaves, although substitution is also = contingent upon soundboard space.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: St. John's, Holland Road From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:14:34 -0500   This was Healey Willan's first church, before he emigrated to Canada. I was also involved in a recording session there sometime in the 70s, only to the extent of having been invited to attend. It was a compendium of choral music sung by the choir of All Saints, Palo Alto, conducted by Tom Rhoads, the repertoire from their English summer tour. Gerald Knight was at this session, and sat at this wonderful instrument in its glorious acoustic, and improvised in his remarkable way for five or ten minutes. I don't know if he knew the tape was running. My impression was that he did not, but somehow he was convinced to allow his exquisite extemporization to appear on the LP. Halleluia!   Can someone on this list from the UK say if this church and instrument are safe? Not too many years ago, there was a danger that it would disappear to make way for a Motorway ramp.   Off to get ready for Easter Vigil.   Cheers,   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Bob Griffiths     - I remembered the Church > where he played the Franck and the Messiaen when I was trying to get to > sleep last night - St. John's, Holland Road, West Kensington, London. > Magnificent acoustics - I was involved in a recording there with the choir > of Our Lady of Grace, Chiswick when I accompanied the choir and played some > solos - about 30 years ago!      
(back) Subject: Re: Leiblich Gedact... From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:36:05 +1200   It might be worth enquiring to see if that "stretched" top of the pipe = could be removed and canisters put on to replace the stoppers. Just a thought - expert pipemakers, comments please! Ross -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Barker <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, March 31, 2002 5:10 AM Subject: Leiblich Gedact...     >Dear List, > >I have a 'problem' with my church organ. The stoppers in my Leiblich Gedact >no longer stay where the tuner puts them. Apparently the ends of the = pipes >have become too wide through lots of years of tuning. The solution the >tuner offered was to take them away and have them re-rolled. However, it >crossed my mind that there might be redundant pipe work available. Any >ideas whether this would work out cheaper or be better or worse in the = long >run? Has anyone done this or had pipes re-rolled who could offer me advice? > >Many thanks, and a very happy Easter to you all (slightly early I know, = but >over here in the UK we'll be up much earlier than you in the states anyway!! >hehe) > >Steve >Organist and Choirmaster >St Stephen's Church >Canterbury, UK > >P.S. Rector leaves tomorrow 8^( > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Leiblich Gedact... From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:22:34 -0600   At 5:09 PM +0000 03/30/2002, Stephen Barker wrote: > The stoppers in my Leiblich Gedact >no longer stay where the tuner puts them. Apparently the ends of the = pipes >have become too wide through lots of years of tuning. The solution the >tuner offered was to take them away and have them re-rolled.   Something I have seen on some metal pipes with wooden stoppers is a tuning collar put around the top of the pipe on the outside. It seems to help "tighten" up the end of the pipe so the stopper stays in place. Never having fit them myself I don't have lots of information about how to size them but I would imagine that your would need rather "snug" tuning collars for this to work.   Happy Easter   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Leiblich Gedact... From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:34:05 -0600   Tuning collars alone won't do the trick, because they are not strong = enough to compress the metal. However, you can put band clamps around the collars = and get some compression. That might be a "quick and dirty fix". Sometimes just repacking the stoppers with a good layer of resilient felt underneath the leather will do the trick for a while. Obviously, the metal will simply = stretch again, however. We had this situation with the metal chimney flute at Temple Sinai in New Orleans. I called Joe Dezeda, among others, for advice. He said, "you know, that = problem is one thing I am going to bring up with Mr. Skinner in Heaven." He = advised replacing the wood stoppers with canisters, being careful to reproduce the length and diameter of the stopper drillings with the new tubes. We sent = the pipes to Claus Canell, and he reproduced the tube sizes perfectly. It looks and = sounds right, and solves the problem for all time. Roy   David Scribner wrote:   > At 5:09 PM +0000 03/30/2002, Stephen Barker wrote: > > The stoppers in my Leiblich Gedact > >no longer stay where the tuner puts them. Apparently the ends of the = pipes > >have become too wide through lots of years of tuning. The solution the > >tuner offered was to take them away and have them re-rolled. > > Something I have seen on some metal pipes with wooden stoppers is a > tuning collar put around the top of the pipe on the outside. It > seems to help "tighten" up the end of the pipe so the stopper stays > in place. Never having fit them myself I don't have lots of > information about how to size them but I would imagine that your > would need rather "snug" tuning collars for this to work. > > Happy Easter > > David > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Philadelphia City Paper March 28 - April 4 Page 97 Schlock N Roll Organist slur. From: <Gamelpt@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 21:47:29 EST   Dear fellow organists: The Schlock-N-Roll shown on Page 97 of The Philadelphia City Paper March = 28 - April 4 edition depicts an organist in a very derogatory fashion with = respect to the clergy, etc. Call the Philadelphia City Paper at 215-735-8444 (or = FAX at 215-875-1800) and state your opinion and please remind them of the business that Organists will bring the City of Philadelphia during the = July AGO National Convention. Thanks. John Gamel  
(back) Subject: Easter Greetings: From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 00:36:50 -0600   Alleluia, The Lord is Risen, Friends!:   <pause for the anticipated respond to the Versicle: "The Lord is Risen indeed, Alleluia">   The noted English Organist, W[illiam] T. Best, Municipal organist at St. Georges Hall, Liverpool, was a composer; among his compositions was one for Organ, and perhaps Brass, entitled "March for a Church Festival". I have re-typeset this work, in anticipation or republication, and considered attaching a ~.MIDI file to this message, since (though I've identified no specifically Easter themes) Easter is certainly a Church festival.   However, since the MIDI file is a bit on the large size (about 25K), I've decided instead to offer it in a slightly different mode: any interested in this, can reply _privately_ to this message, and I'll forward the file to you off list.   ns      
(back) Subject: Re: Leiblich Gedact... From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:33:58 +0000   Lieblich Gedact means "lovely wood" I think -though it sounds as if your pipes are metal. Had your thought of approaching the problem from the = inside - i.e. put some form of surface on the stoppers? John Foss       _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Leiblich Gedact pipes: what to do. From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 03:16:26 -0600   I recall that Casavant used to build pipes like this (metal with wood stoppers) back in the 1950's also.   Such a style of construction is destined to failure over the long haul simply because the laws of physics come into play here: One has to vastly different kinds of materials subject to differing coefficients of expansion and contraction, thereby causing the wood stoppers to swell and shrink at a vastly faster and larger rate than the metal pipes the wood is stoppering.   Ultimately, the wood is stronger than the metal pipe surrounding it, and even with a certain amount of felt and leather packing surrounding the circumference of the wood stopper in an attempt to absorb some of this movement; SOMEthing has to yield when the area required by the stopper at certain seasons exceeds the available space.   In the case of zinc pipes, this usually means that the seam splits, but in the case of softer organ metal (either high-lead or Spotted Metal pipes), the metal swells and balloons out at the point of contact with the wood stopper, especially since the change is gradual. Then, when the humidity level drops, such as in the Winter with forced warm air heating drying everything out, the stoppers fall out of position.   It is far better practice for pipes and their means of end closure to be constructed of the same materials. We even take this argument so far as to insist that if the pipe are made of zinc, then so should be the external canister tops. If the pipes are "Cloth-lead", then so are the tops, etc.   The best, most permanent solution to this problem is to send the pipes to an experienced pipemaker for the fabrication of external canister tops, as Roy Redman suggests. Since these are fitted to the exterior of the pipe body with the tuning point of the top of the canister at the point of the "swelling" of the pipe walls, the damaged portion will be cut away anyway. The felted canister tops will be fitted to the unswollen portion of the pipe walls, since the pipes need to be shortened in order to accommodate the metal canisters anyway.   Our Pipeshop has done this kind of conversion to a number of stops which were in this predicament.   While we are on the topic, I might mention that we have also repaired some stops which had closely-fitted metal canister tops with only paper gasketing. Generally, we fit the canisters with felt and "re-scale" them a pipe smaller and make a new top for the bottom note. It doesn't always work out perfectly, in terms of the extra room required for the felt being accommodated by moving the caps one note size smaller, but most of the time, very little else is required.   Hope this is of help to someone   Blessed Easter to all!   He has risen! He has risen indeed!   Faithfully,   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL