PipeChat Digest #2834 - Friday, May 3, 2002
 
Relinquishing the bench?
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
Thank you
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Fw: Virgil Fox' Birthday
  by "Rick Locher" <iplayorgan@attbi.com>
Re: Relinquishing the bench?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Relinquishing the bench/New Organ
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
RE: Relinquishing the bench/New Organ
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: Relinquishing the bench/New Organ
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Relinquishing the bench/New Organ
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Relinquishing the bench/New Organ
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Virgil Fox' Birthday
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
 

(back) Subject: Relinquishing the bench? From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 06:27:34 -0400   I'm soliciting off-list advice (apologies for only a tangental relevance to pipe organs.)   A lay woman who attends the 11:00 service (Contemporary) is in charge of Mission Sunday at all three services. Not only has she inserted contemporary elements into our traditional (9:40) service, she has "assigned" the contemporary music leader to play piano prelude at all three services. In addition, I've been told that the postlude will be a contemporary piano piece (rather than give me the music, I am ordered to go "get it" from same music leader.). If I "don't want to" to play it, they say they will use a CD. All this in an e-mail from the associate minister (who typically is in charge of the contemporary service.)   Lately we traditionalists (especially musicians) have been branded as "unspiritual" when we don't immediately gush over all things contemporary. In light of this, what should be my response? I was a piano major, it's not so much playing whatever they want, it's the process that concerns me. Being told to do all this stuff instead of being involved in the planning, etc. I really wouldn't mind all that much if things were just handled courteously.   I just think it's "spiritually" wrong to use a CD when so many competent musicians are present... it's really not a worthy offering to God. On the one hand, you could say at least they're giving me a choice, but... not really.   Chuck Peery Cincinnati    
(back) Subject: Thank you From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 13:36:18 +0300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001E_01C1F2A7.8118A220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear list members, I should like to start by saying thank you to all those people who have = =3D responded to my various requests - in particular to Alan Valentine whose = =3D instructions on how to change the name on my outgoing emails were a =3D model of clarity and simplicity : also thanks to everybody else who also = =3D gave advice on this problem - I hope Mr valentine will forgive me for =3D quoting his instructions verbatim:=3D20 Dbl Click on "Outlook Express" Go to the top bar and click on "Tools" Move to the bottom of that display and click on "Accounts" Move to the top and click on the "Mail" tab Go to the extreme right and click on "Properties" You should now be viewing the screen which provides your name and can =3D make the correction. Another big thanks goes to Dan B who found and sent me the last page of = =3D the Liszt BACH, which I have just been working on. I have also been in =3D touch with Ivor Buckingham, from whom I have found all the information I = =3D wanted re Compton organs, as well as getting valuable advice from =3D Australia on which electronic instrument to buy. My 2 manual Viscount =3D Prestige arrived this week from Italy, and I can promise anyone who is =3D in any doubt that the convenience of having a proper full size =3D instrument to practice on in one's own home settles the argument for me. = =3D No unheated churches - and all the other problems involved in finding =3D somewhere to practice. Just go into the living room, press a switch and = =3D there you are. Actually, I think the Viscount is remarkably good value =3D for money. In addition to the Liszt BACH I have been working on the =3D Brahms Chorale Preludes - wonderful rich harmony and cross rhythmic =3D patterns, which come through with clarity on this instrument. I can =3D drive the neighbours mad with a pretty impressive full organ sound - or = =3D practice quietly to my heart's content with the volume down. =3D Incidentally - someone metioned Ctesibius of Alexandria the other day. I = =3D will do some research into this - though maybe someone has already done = =3D it. Alexander the Great, who founded the city of Alexandria, came from =3D the area in which I live, and Dion, where he trained his army, is less =3D than 10 miles from my house. The Hydraulus was discovered there, and a =3D replica has been made and appeared in concert at the QEH in London last = =3D year. We are building another one for the museum in Dion, and I have =3D been invited to give the opening recital when it is finished. However, =3D this being Greece I'm not counting on living that long. Well, back to =3D the organ for some more work. It is the first time since I was a student = =3D I have had such an opportunity to practice! Incidentally, in reply to the query about whether the Yamaha "Full =3D Organ" stop was tunable, the answer is no, though it has got a transpose = =3D button, and the organ is tunable, though they are both actually tuned to = =3D A =3D3D 440, and so there is no conflict. I play the Yamaha through my 120 = =3D watt home cinema surround sound system - I mean how more vulgar can you = =3D get!! John Foss     ------=3D_NextPart_000_001E_01C1F2A7.8118A220 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2715.400" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dear list members,<BR>I should like = to =3D start by=3D20 saying thank you to all those people who have responded to my various =3D requests -=3D20 in particular to Alan Valentine whose instructions on how to change the = =3D name on=3D20 my outgoing emails were a model of clarity and simplicity : also thanks = =3D to=3D20 everybody else who also gave advice on this problem - I hope Mr =3D valentine will=3D20 forgive me for quoting his instructions verbatim: <BR>Dbl Click on =3D "Outlook=3D20 Express"<BR>Go to the top bar and click on "Tools"<BR>Move to the bottom = =3D of that=3D20 display and click on "Accounts"<BR>Move to the top and click on the =3D "Mail"=3D20 tab<BR>Go to the extreme right and click on "Properties"<BR>&nbsp;You =3D should now=3D20 be viewing the screen which provides your name and can make the=3D20 correction.<BR>Another big thanks goes to Dan B who found and sent me =3D the last=3D20 page of the Liszt BACH, which I have just been working on. I have also =3D been in=3D20 touch with Ivor Buckingham, from whom I have found all the information I = =3D wanted=3D20 re Compton organs, as well as getting valuable advice from Australia on = =3D which=3D20 electronic instrument to buy. My 2 manual Viscount Prestige arrived this = =3D week=3D20 from Italy, and I can promise anyone who is in any doubt that the =3D convenience of=3D20 having a proper full size instrument to practice on in one's own home =3D settles=3D20 the argument for me. No unheated churches - and all the other problems =3D involved=3D20 in finding somewhere to practice. Just go into the living room, press a = =3D switch=3D20 and there you are. Actually, I think the Viscount is remarkably good =3D value for=3D20 money. In addition to the Liszt BACH I have been working on the Brahms =3D Chorale=3D20 Preludes - wonderful rich harmony and cross rhythmic patterns, which =3D come=3D20 through with clarity on this instrument. I can drive the neighbours mad = =3D with a=3D20 pretty impressive full organ sound - or practice quietly to my heart's =3D content=3D20 with the volume down. Incidentally - someone metioned Ctesibius of =3D Alexandria=3D20 the other day. I will do some research into this - though maybe someone = =3D has=3D20 already done it. Alexander the Great, who founded the city of =3D Alexandria, came=3D20 from the area in which I live, and Dion, where he trained his army, is =3D less than=3D20 10 miles from my house. The Hydraulus was discovered there, and a =3D replica has=3D20 been made and appeared in concert at the QEH in London last year. We are = =3D   building another one for the museum in Dion, and I have been invited to = =3D give the=3D20 opening recital when it is finished. However, this being Greece I'm not = =3D counting=3D20 on living that long. Well, back to the organ for some more work. It is =3D the first=3D20 time since I was a student I have had such an opportunity to=3D20 practice!<BR>Incidentally, in reply to the query about whether the =3D Yamaha "Full=3D20 Organ" stop was tunable, the answer is no, though it has got a transpose = =3D button,=3D20 and the organ is tunable, though they are both actually tuned to A =3D3D = =3D 440, and so=3D20 there is no conflict. I play the Yamaha through my 120 watt home cinema = =3D surround=3D20 sound system - I mean how more vulgar can you get!! John=3D20 Foss<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001E_01C1F2A7.8118A220--  
(back) Subject: Fw: Virgil Fox' Birthday From: "Rick Locher" <iplayorgan@attbi.com> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 09:14:17 -0500       > Good morning everyone! TODAY is Virgil Fox' 90th Birthday. Applause, > applause. > > Virgil Fox > May3, 1912 - October 25, 1980 > > Have a great day! > Peace, > Rick > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Relinquishing the bench? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 10:26:06 EDT     --part1_1a0.1b77921.2a03f7fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/3/02 7:30:06 AM Atlantic Daylight Time, cepeery@earthlink.net writes: > Lately we traditionalists (especially musicians) have been branded as > "unspiritual" when we don't immediately gush over all things > contemporary. In light of this, what should be my response?   After far too many years of dealing with far, far, far too man of "those people" my advice is to smile, go "get" the music, and do your best. = There is generally no communicating with these people unless you are "one of = them." The best thing you can do is show them that traditional musicians can do =   wonderful contemporary music and that you do have contact with the Spirit. = But, brace yourself. You will probably not be thanked when this is over. = Just "take it and roll with the punches." It is really not worth causing = a stir over. Alas, they would not understand.   If you are meek and gentle, cooperative and proficient, the episode with = pass and fade into oblivion far sooner. It's like doggie do: the quicker you =   get it out of the way and the less fuss made over it, the better off you = are! ;-)     Bruce in the Muttestery of St. Dogmael with the Baskerbeagles http://members.tripod.com/brucon502 "Snuffer--The Lighthouse Beagle" is now in print (she even visits a pipe =   organ!!)   --part1_1a0.1b77921.2a03f7fe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 5/3/02 7:30:06 AM Atlantic = Daylight Time, cepeery@earthlink.net writes: <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Lately we = traditionalists (especially musicians) have been branded as <BR> "unspiritual" when we don't immediately gush over all things <BR> contemporary.&nbsp;&nbsp; In light of this, what should be my response? = </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> After far too many years of dealing with far, far, far too man of "those = people" my advice is to smile, go "get" the music, and do your = best.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; There is generally no communicating with these = people unless you are "one of them."&nbsp;&nbsp; The best thing you can do = is show them that traditional musicians can do wonderful contemporary = music and that you do have contact with the Spirit.&nbsp;&nbsp; But, brace = yourself.&nbsp;&nbsp; You will probably not be thanked when this is = over.&nbsp;&nbsp; Just "take it and roll with the punches."&nbsp;&nbsp; It = is really not worth causing a stir over.&nbsp;&nbsp; Alas, they would not = understand.<BR> <BR> If you are meek and gentle, cooperative and proficient, the episode with = pass and fade into oblivion far sooner.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's like doggie = do:&nbsp; the quicker you get it out of the way and the less fuss made = over it, the better off you are!&nbsp; ;-)<BR> <BR> <BR> Bruce in the Muttestery of St. Dogmael<BR> with the Baskerbeagles&nbsp; http://members.tripod.com/brucon502<BR> "Snuffer--The Lighthouse Beagle"&nbsp; is now in print&nbsp; (she even = visits a pipe organ!!)</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1a0.1b77921.2a03f7fe_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Relinquishing the bench/New Organ From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 11:11:34 EDT     --part1_150.d594081.2a0402a6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hey All, Thank the Lord, school is almost out! This year has been = hectic to say the least. We performed with the NJ Symph, NY Phil, Amsterdam Concertgebow, and had several other major concerts, on top of the usual. Summer will be a nice change! Anyway, I'm taking a new church position at a large Roman church. = The director of music is retiring after 31 years. At the age of 80, he wants = to put more time in to his personal life and have some more freedom. The = program shows its and his age and calls for a few large changes. During his = tenure, the choir grew and shrank, performed great and terrible repertoire, and it =   has led to a rebuilding process. Also during his time, he built the = current pipe organ. The present organ for this room uses miscelaneous pipework from a previous organ. The choir loft is roughly 20 feet wide by about 20 feet = deep. Unfortunately, the loft has steps in it (built in risers). The loft also = has only about 10 feet between its floor and the ceiling of the church. The = loft itself opens up to the ceiling (16 feet), but the lower ceiling of the = church starts where the loft finishes. This means that the organ is set back in a =   kind of "tone chamber" that absorbs a lot of sound, and there is only room =   for about 15 choir members. There is a small chamber on the side of the = loft that speaks out into the room only by a small tonal opening, but this area = is currently the DOM's office space. The organ is in not so great shape. The Klann console and relay = from 1979 are falling apart. The organ also is way to undersized for this relatively dead room. In its present state, the organ may not make it more =   than another year. Pipework is failing as well, as languids are sagging, = the reed is progressively harder to tune, as are many of the stopped pipes. = The current spec is this: Great: Principal 8' Hohl Flute 8' Octave 4' Flute 4' (ext.) Nasat 2 2/3' (ext flute) Octave 2' (ext 4') Flute 2' (ext.) Mixture III Trumpet 8' Clairon 4' (ext)   Swell: Gedeckt 8' Dulciana 8' Vox Celeste 8' Rhor Flute 4' (ext.) Dulcet 4' (ext) Block Flute 2' (ext.) Larigot 1 1/3' (Ext) Sharf III Krum Horn 8' (Prep) Pedal: Bourdon 16' Gedeckt (LGA) Octave 8' (Gt) Gedeckt 8' (Sw) Choral Bass 4' (Gt) Flute 4 (Gt) Principal 2 2/3' (Gt) Principal 2' (Gt) Posaune 16' (Prep) Trompete 8' (Gt) Clairon 4' (Gt) Krum Horn 4' (Prep)   Quite a beauty ain't she!? The pastor is ready to go get a toaster = if it dies. The space is quite complicated, and the organ should be triple = this size and double the scale for the room! A lot has to be done as far as the =   program, and the organ is not going to happen right away. Anyone have any suggestions about how to get the ball rolling my first year? Budget will = no doubt be limited!   -Pete Isherwood   --part1_150.d594081.2a0402a6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hey All, <BR> = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tha= nk the Lord, school is almost out! This year has been hectic to say the = least. We performed with the NJ Symph, NY Phil, Amsterdam Concertgebow, = and had several other major concerts, on top of the usual. Summer will be = a nice change! <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Anyway, I'm taking a new church = position at a large Roman church. The director of music is retiring after = 31 years. At the age of 80, he wants to put more time in to his personal = life and have some more freedom. The program shows its and his age and = calls for a few large changes. During his tenure, the choir grew and = shrank, performed great and terrible repertoire, and it has led to a = rebuilding process. Also during his time, he built the current pipe organ. =   <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The present organ for this room = uses miscelaneous pipework from a previous organ. The choir loft is roughly 20 feet = wide by about 20 feet deep. Unfortunately, the loft has steps in it (built = in risers). The loft also has only about 10 feet between its floor and the = ceiling of the church. The loft itself opens up to the ceiling (16 feet), = but the lower ceiling of the church starts where the loft finishes. This = means that the organ is set back in a kind of "tone chamber" that absorbs = a lot of sound, and there is only room for about 15 choir members. There = is a small chamber on the side of the loft that speaks out into the room = only by a small tonal opening, but this area is currently the DOM's office = space. <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The organ is in not so great = shape. The Klann console and relay from 1979 are falling apart. The organ = also is way to undersized for this relatively dead room. In its present = state, the organ may not make it more than another year. Pipework is = failing as well, as languids are sagging, the reed is progressively harder = to tune, as are many of the stopped pipes. The current spec is this: <BR>Great: <BR>Principal 8' <BR>Hohl Flute 8' <BR>Octave 4' <BR>Flute 4' (ext.) <BR>Nasat 2 2/3' (ext flute) <BR>Octave 2' (ext 4') <BR>Flute 2' (ext.) <BR>Mixture III <BR>Trumpet 8' <BR>Clairon 4' (ext) <BR> <BR>Swell: <BR>Gedeckt 8' <BR>Dulciana 8' <BR>Vox Celeste 8' <BR>Rhor Flute 4' (ext.) <BR>Dulcet 4' (ext) <BR>Block Flute 2' (ext.) <BR>Larigot 1 1/3' (Ext) <BR>Sharf III <BR>Krum Horn 8' (Prep) <BR> <BR>Pedal: <BR>Bourdon 16' <BR>Gedeckt (LGA) <BR>Octave 8' (Gt) <BR>Gedeckt 8' (Sw) <BR>Choral Bass 4' (Gt) <BR>Flute 4 (Gt) <BR>Principal 2 2/3' (Gt) <BR>Principal 2' (Gt) <BR>Posaune 16' (Prep) <BR>Trompete 8' (Gt) <BR>Clairon 4' (Gt) <BR>Krum Horn 4' (Prep) <BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Quite a beauty ain't she!? The = pastor is ready to go get a toaster if it dies. The space is quite = complicated, and the organ should be triple this size and double the scale = for the room! A lot has to be done as far as the program, and the organ is = not going to happen right away. Anyone have any suggestions about how to = get the ball rolling my first year? Budget will no doubt be limited! <BR> <BR>-Pete Isherwood</FONT></HTML>   --part1_150.d594081.2a0402a6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Relinquishing the bench/New Organ From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 11:23:58 -0400   Dear Peter,   Congratulations on your new position!   I'd just say, if it dies and you get an electronic, don't let them remove the pipe organ! A friend of mine is in just such a situation (when he was hired they had already gotten a Rodgers down in front, which, I must say, doesn't sound too bad) but the grand old pipe organ in the gallery of the grand old church is still there, and there are hopes of refurbishing it. The pastor is behind this idea. Of course, some pastors aren't behind the idea, but pastors come and go.   From all I can gather, and it might not be saying much, but church music = in the Roman Catholic Church seems to have a relatively bright future.   Paul    
(back) Subject: Re: Relinquishing the bench/New Organ From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 09:01:23 -0700   Yeah, BUT (grin) ... this doesn't sound like it's a grand old pipe organ = in a grand old church, unless the pipework is from a Hook or similar, and/or = they put in a drop ceiling at some point (chuckle).   What IS the pipework from? What was the previous organ? The PIPEWORK might = be worth saving; it might not be. Pipes can be repaired; IF they were good = pipes to begin with, it might be worth it.   What's the SOUND like?   Is there any place down front for the choir and organ? Vatican II says = that's where you're supposed to be anyway (grin). IF there is space for a small = encased pipe organ of generous scaling, it might be worth it to move down front. = The number of stops doesn't matter so much as the scaling. The requirements = for an organ in an RC church are rather basic these days: a principal chorus to = lead hymns, an enclosed division with enough stops to accompany choir and = cantor, and that's about it.   Beyond that, it's hard to make recommendations without knowing more ...   You say the room is dead; is it because the cubic volume is low for the = number of seats, or because of acoustical treatment / absorbent materials = (carpet, padded pews, etc.)? Acoustical treatment can be sealed or removed; carpets = can be removed; padded pews are a bigger problem -- folks don't wanna give 'em = up. OTOH they tend to balance out the reverb time between an empty church and = a full church.   We had rather spectacular success in our NEW church with painting the = walls and ceiling with epoxy-impregnated paint ... Keene Cement might have been = better, but it was even more expensive, hard to find, and hard to apply. Our walls = and ceiling are double drywall, screwed rather than nailed to make it more = rigid, and the panels are overlapped so that the seams of the two layers don't coincide. The cost for the epoxy paint was about $3000, but I can't tell = you the square footage ... the seating capacity is rather small (150), but the = room is a STEEP modified A-frame with LOTS of ceiling.   I'd start with the ACOUSTICS, rather than the organ ... you might find = that enhancing the acoustics would solve some of the organ problems ...   Other than the console, what kind of condition is the organ in = mechanically? Are the chests sound? Good used consoles can be found.   Is there any way to increase the tonal egress into the church (remove grille-cloth, make the openings larger, etc.)?   The electronic organ folks are going to try to sell you an organ because = of their "virtual acoustics" capabilities, but remember: unless you put in a = very sophisticated house PA system, mike EVERYTHING, and feed THAT through some = kind of reverb system, the "virtual acoustics" on the organ are only going to = enhance (?) the sound of the ORGAN ... NOT the choir, NOT the cantor, NOT the = priest. So the choir will still sound like they're singing into cotton-wool, while = the sound of the organ goes rolling on like St. John the Unfinished (grin) ... = it's a truly WEIRD effect.   What you need is a long-range plan, a good organ-builder, and a supportive pastor ... and, oh yeah, MONEY (grin).   There's been lots of yak-yak on here lately about the outrageous cost of = new pipe organs ... go look at the Organ Clearing House website:   http://www.organclearinghouse.com/   but also remember they aren't the only ball-game in town ... a good = builder will often have leads that AREN'T on their list.   A tracker would probably be easier to move and restore than an = electro-pneumatic instrument; but those 19th century trackers usually take up lots of SPACE, *particularly* height and depth, depending on how large an organ you NEED.   How many does the church seat?   Can you tell I've just been THROUGH all this? (grin)   Cheers,   Bud             "Emmons, Paul" wrote:   > Dear Peter, > > Congratulations on your new position! > > I'd just say, if it dies and you get an electronic, don't let them = remove > the pipe organ! A friend of mine is in just such a situation (when he = was > hired they had already gotten a Rodgers down in front, which, I must say, > doesn't sound too bad) but the grand old pipe organ in the gallery of = the > grand old church is still there, and there are hopes of refurbishing it. > The pastor is behind this idea. Of course, some pastors aren't behind = the > idea, but pastors come and go. > > >From all I can gather, and it might not be saying much, but church = music in > the Roman Catholic Church seems to have a relatively bright future. > > Paul > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Relinquishing the bench/New Organ From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 12:31:23 EDT   Dear Pete:   The reed needs cleaning for one thing. If the needs are what you say they are, get what you have in good mechanical condition, and go with a combination organ. In your situation that would make the most sense. You are going to replace the console soon anyway out of necessity, but don't throw the pipes away for all digital unless you have = to. Your pipes may not be in the best location, but you may have to live with it. it could turn out quite good this way.   Ron  
(back) Subject: Re: Relinquishing the bench/New Organ From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 15:25:25 EDT     --part1_a4.25568df7.2a043e25_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/3/02 12:12:39 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, = Oboe32@aol.com writes: > Anyone have any suggestions about how to get the ball rolling my first = year? > Budget will no doubt be limited!   Pete, I'd suggest looking for another job. Sounds like a nightmare to me!   Taking a church job is like getting married. It is so unhealthy to go = into a bad situation with the idea that you're going to make it good. It only leads to frustration on both sides. If you do want to take on the challenge, you should go in with the idea that there will be NO changes = for the first year or two. If the priest wants to replace the Hillgreen-Lane =   with a toaster, I recommend running fast.... in the other direction!   bruce   Bruce in the Muttestery of St. Dogmael with the Baskerbeagles http://members.tripod.com/brucon502 "Snuffer--The Lighthouse Beagle" is now in print (she even visits a pipe =   organ!!)   --part1_a4.25568df7.2a043e25_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 5/3/02 12:12:39 PM Atlantic = Daylight Time, Oboe32@aol.com writes: <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Anyone have any = suggestions about how to get the ball rolling my first year? Budget will = no doubt be limited! </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> Pete,<BR> I'd suggest looking for another job.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sounds like a nightmare = to me!<BR> <BR> Taking a church job is like getting married.&nbsp;&nbsp; It is so = unhealthy to go into a bad situation with the idea that you're going to = make it good.&nbsp; It only leads to frustration on both = sides.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you do want to take on the challenge, = you should go in with the idea that there will be NO changes for the first = year or two.&nbsp;&nbsp; If the priest wants to replace the Hillgreen-Lane = with a toaster, I recommend running fast.... in the other direction! <BR> <BR> bruce<BR> <BR> Bruce in the Muttestery of St. Dogmael<BR> with the Baskerbeagles&nbsp; http://members.tripod.com/brucon502<BR> "Snuffer--The Lighthouse Beagle"&nbsp; is now in print&nbsp; (she even = visits a pipe organ!!)</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a4.25568df7.2a043e25_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Virgil Fox' Birthday From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 22:48:37 +0300   Hear hear! Raise your glasses in a toast. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Locher" <iplayorgan@attbi.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 5:14 PM Subject: Fw: Virgil Fox' Birthday