PipeChat Digest #2836 - Sunday, May 5, 2002
 
Used Organ Music...
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Re: Relinquishing the bench?
  by <LeliaLoban@aol.com>
Re: Relinquishing the bench?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Relinquishing the bench?
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Relinquishing the bench?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: New pipe organ in Waco, Texas
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com>
Re: Relinquishing the bench?
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Relinquishing the bench?
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Some really interesting articles
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
***Correction***
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Used Organ Music... From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 18:25:44 +0800 (CST)     Greetings to all.   Some colleagues like to buy used organ music in pretty good condition when such an opportunity presents itself...   While surfing the web I came across a source of used organ music:   Send an e-mail to Ms. Joy Mc Leod at dacapo@pacificcoast.net   Needless to say I have no financial interest in the above... I'm just trying to be helpful...   She will send you attached files of her lists of organ music she has for sale... There is a lot of good stuff on her lists...   Payment is by Paypal or international money order.... Don't be afraid of Paypal... it is rather simple to pay by Paypal... as the famous saying goes, "If I can do it, anyone can...."         Best wishes to all,     Morton W. Belcher, III        
(back) Subject: Re: Relinquishing the bench? From: <LeliaLoban@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:22:29 EDT   Chicaleee@aol.com wrote, >I am quiet, meek and don't cause problems and >play what is in the bulletin without comment.   I'm afraid that I might develop poor eyesight under these circumstances. The = contemporary music that issued forth from my pipes might well turn out to be a rousing chorus of, "Take This Job and Shove It!"   "Oh, I thought that was what the program said for me to play. Was I mistaken? So sorry!" ;-)   None of which would do the church or me any good in the long run, of course....   Lelia Loban LeliaLoban@aol.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Relinquishing the bench? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 11:34:01 EDT     --part1_aa.b092309.2a055969_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/4/02 12:30:20 AM Atlantic Daylight Time, Chicaleee@aol.com writes: > I play it as worshipful as possible. I, unlike some organists, worship = as I > play. I can't imagine playing not being a worshipful experience. There = is > a saying" He who sings prays twice." I have changed it to: "He who = plays > the organ, prays twice."   I am constantly amazed when I hear and organist or chorister say they = can't sing/play and worship. I find my worship is even deeper and more intense =   when I am playing the organ or singing; although, there is a very special intensity when I am worshiping without physically participating as in a choral service.   "He who plays the organ, prays twice.... or thrice if there are three manuals!!"   Bruce in the Muttestery of St. Dogmael with the Baskerbeagles http://members.tripod.com/brucon502 "Snuffer--The Lighthouse Beagle" is now in print (she even visits a pipe =   organ!!) Please visit: <A = HREF=3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">http://www.visionsuccess.com/B= C2053</A>   --part1_aa.b092309.2a055969_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 5/4/02 12:30:20 AM Atlantic = Daylight Time, Chicaleee@aol.com writes: <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I play it as = worshipful as possible.&nbsp; I, unlike some organists, worship as I = play.&nbsp; I can't imagine playing not being a worshipful = experience.&nbsp; There is a saying" He who sings prays twice."&nbsp; I = have changed it to:&nbsp; "He who plays the organ, prays twice."&nbsp; = </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> I am constantly amazed when I hear and organist or chorister say they = can't sing/play and worship.&nbsp;&nbsp; I find my worship is even deeper = and more intense when I am playing the organ or singing; although, there = is a very special intensity when I am&nbsp; worshiping without physically = participating as in a choral service.<BR> <BR> "He who plays the organ, prays twice.... or thrice if there are three = manuals!!"</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Bruce in the = Muttestery of St. Dogmael<BR> with the Baskerbeagles&nbsp; http://members.tripod.com/brucon502<BR> "Snuffer--The Lighthouse Beagle"&nbsp; is now in print&nbsp; (she even = visits a pipe organ!!)<BR> Please visit:&nbsp; </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" = style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D1 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><A = HREF=3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">http://www.visionsuccess.com/B= C2053</A></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> = </FONT></HTML>   --part1_aa.b092309.2a055969_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Relinquishing the bench? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 16:08:09 -0500   Bruce Cornely wrote:   >"He who plays the organ, prays twice.... or thrice if there are three = >manuals!!"   This reminds me of Albert Schweitzer, who wrote that no organ is complete without three manuals, symbolizing the Holy Trinity.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re: Relinquishing the bench? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:12:25 EDT     --part1_ca.b0d299c.2a05a8b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/4/02 6:07:03 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes: > This reminds me of Albert Schweitzer, who wrote that no > organ is complete without three manuals, symbolizing the > Holy Trinity.     teehee.... we always seem to forget the pedal department!!   Bruce in the Muttestery of St. Dogmael with the Baskerbeagles http://members.tripod.com/brucon502 "Snuffer--The Lighthouse Beagle" is now in print (she even visits a pipe =   organ!!) Please visit: <A = HREF=3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">http://www.visionsuccess.com/B= C2053</A>   --part1_ca.b0d299c.2a05a8b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 5/4/02 6:07:03 PM Atlantic = Daylight Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes: <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">This reminds me of = Albert Schweitzer, who wrote that no<BR> organ is complete without three manuals, symbolizing the<BR> Holy Trinity.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> <BR> teehee....&nbsp; we always seem to forget the pedal department!!<BR> <BR> Bruce in the Muttestery of St. Dogmael<BR> with the Baskerbeagles&nbsp; http://members.tripod.com/brucon502<BR> "Snuffer--The Lighthouse Beagle"&nbsp; is now in print&nbsp; (she even = visits a pipe organ!!)<BR> Please visit:&nbsp; </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" = style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D1 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><A = HREF=3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">http://www.visionsuccess.com/B= C2053</A></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> = </FONT></HTML>   --part1_ca.b0d299c.2a05a8b9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: New pipe organ in Waco, Texas From: "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 15:36:25 -0700 (PDT)   --- Wurlibird1@aol.com wrote: > Hello to all, > > Perhaps I am intruding into unwelcome waters but I > was delighted to see a new > pipe organ being installed at St. Mark's Lutheran > Church in Waco. Our firm > conducted a funeral at the church today and I > managed to meet up with > technicians from Range Organ Company of Mesquite, > Texas, who is doing the > work.   Don't take this as a big "challenge" or something, but what kind of a "firm" "conduct[s] a funeral at the church"?   > The organ will be 3-manual and probably > around 20 ranks. The church   And (gee, I hope this isn't a habit), why would a 20-rank organ have three manuals?   > previously had a Conn Classic with a few sets of > Conn Pipes. As we were > there to conduct a funeral -   That still interests me. I'll bet there's a solid answer, but I'd be interested in hearing it.   Alan (from the preachers' union)       __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Relinquishing the bench? From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 11:21:04 +1200   I can understand Schweitzer's sentiment, perhaps, but all of us know some very fine one and two-manual organs. There are many organs, too, of even 4 or 5 units on 2m&P that are actually fine indeed, even if not of "purist" design. If they had to have 3 manuals, their specification would have lost = a rank on cost grounds. I've also heard it said that no organ is complete without a Swell box, or without tracker action, or Swell reeds, or a great Mixture, or a Pedal = 32ft. We all want more, it's the nature of the gluttonous envious homo sapiens organisticus, but let's not forget those who cannot afford large instruments, even if there were room in the church (where there often = isn't, concomitant with the absence of money). When I read on this List a few day ago, "There are three organs in our = town with five manuals", I have an intellectual interest in what those organs are, but emotionally something switches off. And it's not just through = envy, I assure, you, though doubtless there's some of that lurking in my own = nasty mind. One of the finest organs I know is the one in St David's Presbyterian = Church in Petone near Wellington here in NZ, by George Croft back in about 1900. = I don't know who made the metal pipes, but the wooden ones are by Croft himself, who was about 24 at the time. Still tracker action, and in good order. The church is wooden, barrel-vaulted in wood, and seats about 150 packed. Live acoustics, but the organ tone is such that every pipe utterly sings in a way only heard once or twice in my lifetime. GREAT 8 Open Diapason 8 Clarabella (stopped wood up to TenF)) 8 Dulciana (CC) 4 Principal   SWELL 16 Bourdon (from Pedal) 8 Lieblich Gedackt (stopped wood, bored stoppers) 8 Gamba (grooved bass) 4 Principal 2 Piccolo (open wood) 8 Cornopean (bold and brassy)   PEDAL 16 Bourdon (wood, big scale, low cut-up)   COUPLERS SwGt SwPed GtPed   ACCESSORIES 2 peds.to Gt   One of the very finest organs I've ever heard, yet theoretically it is = quite incomplete and not one you'd travel 100 miles to see or hear. It's "twin sister" exactly in terms of design is just 100 yards up the road in the slightly-bigger Anglican church, also of wood. This organ was built by the same firm 2 years later, but the pipes were made by a different firm and = the result is very disappointing - dull and softish. Theoretically, perhaps, an orchestra of 100 players is better than a = string quartet, but if David and Igor Oistrakh were playing with William Primrose and Pierre Fournier, and the orchestra were the local school one of kids under the age of 17, which would you prefer to go to? How do you define "completeness" in terms of either of these groups? I hope this raises discussion of beauty of tone and quality of sound, as = too much of today's music, be it light or classical or pop, seems to be in = terms of quantity and noise, rather than sheer beauty, and here I'm referring = only to tone quality. Regards, Ross Message----- From: John L. Speller <jlspeller@mindspring.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, May 05, 2002 9:06 AM Subject: Re: Relinquishing the bench?     >Bruce Cornely wrote: > >>"He who plays the organ, prays twice.... or thrice if there are three >manuals!!" > >This reminds me of Albert Schweitzer, who wrote that no >organ is complete without three manuals, symbolizing the >Holy Trinity. > >John Speller > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Relinquishing the bench? From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 21:02:39 -0400       On Sat, 4 May 2002 17:12:25 EDT Cremona502@cs.com writes: > In a message dated 5/4/02 6:07:03 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, > jlspeller@mindspring.com writes: > > This reminds me of Albert Schweitzer, who wrote that no > > organ is complete without three manuals, symbolizing the > > Holy Trinity. > > > teehee.... we always seem to forget the pedal department!! > Where would Heaven be without the "other place" ????     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY     ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.  
(back) Subject: Some really interesting articles From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 21:14:12 EDT     --part1_e4.27257602.2a05e164_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In the May/June edition of Choir and Organ, there are three very = interesting articles of special interest to those in the USA. In order of appearance.....   Ian Bell (whose postings I greatly miss from Porg and Pchat), write in "Organo Pleno" about the recent trend in British organ building for adding =   antiphonal Nave divisions. His writing is very interesting and his observations always well-thought-out and sensibly and plainly presented.   Also in Organo Pleno Marcia van Oyen write of the mission and effect of = the Associated Pipe Organ Builders of America on the pipe organ industry. History of the organization as well as present industry focus and future concerns are addressed. A very interesting article.   Last, but certainly not least, is an excellent description of the new = Mander organ at St. Peter's Episcopal Church, St. Louis MO. In addition to a colourful description of some of the tonality of the organ, our own John Speller describes the design obstacles and their solutions. He also describes the Portative organ in the chapel.   Since its inception, Choir and Organ has been some of my very favorite reading material. If you haven't tried it, this is an excellent issue = for a starter.   Bruce in the Muttestery of St. Dogmael with the Baskerbeagles http://members.tripod.com/brucon502 "Snuffer--The Lighthouse Beagle" is now in print (she even visits a pipe =   organ!!) Please visit: <A = HREF=3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">http://www.visionsuccess.com/B= C2053</A>   --part1_e4.27257602.2a05e164_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In the May/June edition of Choir and Organ, = there are three very interesting articles of special interest to those in = the USA.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In order of appearance.....<BR> <BR> Ian Bell (whose postings I greatly miss from Porg and Pchat), write in = "Organo Pleno" about the recent trend in British organ building for adding = antiphonal Nave divisions.&nbsp;&nbsp; His writing is very interesting and = his observations always well-thought-out and sensibly and plainly = presented.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Also in Organo Pleno Marcia van Oyen write of the mission and effect of = the Associated Pipe Organ Builders of America on the pipe organ = industry.&nbsp;&nbsp; History of the organization as well as present = industry focus and future concerns are addressed.&nbsp;&nbsp; A very = interesting article.<BR> <BR> Last, but certainly not least, is an excellent description of the new = Mander organ at St. Peter's Episcopal Church, St. Louis MO.&nbsp;&nbsp; In = addition to a colourful description of some of the tonality of the = organ,&nbsp; our own John Speller describes the design obstacles and their = solutions.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; He also describes the Portative organ = in the chapel.<BR> <BR> Since its inception, Choir and Organ has been some of my very favorite = reading material.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you haven't tried it, this is an = excellent issue for a starter.<BR> <BR> Bruce in the Muttestery of St. Dogmael<BR> with the Baskerbeagles&nbsp; http://members.tripod.com/brucon502<BR> "Snuffer--The Lighthouse Beagle"&nbsp; is now in print&nbsp; (she even = visits a pipe organ!!)<BR> Please visit:&nbsp; </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" = style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D1 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><A = HREF=3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">http://www.visionsuccess.com/B= C2053</A></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> = </FONT></HTML>   --part1_e4.27257602.2a05e164_boundary--  
(back) Subject: ***Correction*** From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 21:15:56 EDT   Dear List Members:   I inadvertently transmitted some incorrect information. Paul Fleckenstein, =   Sunday's recitalist at First Presbyterian Church in New York City is = Director of Music at WESTMINSTER Presbyterian Church (not First Presbyterian) in Wilmington.         Mea culpa. Mea culpa maxima. Mea culpa with lettuce, tomato, fries, and cole slaw. SMG