PipeChat Digest #2840 - Monday, May 6, 2002
 
Re: Re: New pipe organ in Waco, Texas
  by <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Re: New pipe organ in Waco, Texas
  by <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Colin Mitchell UK
  by <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
Organist goes spastic
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: messiaen
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Messiaen (comments about the 'Shrine's acoustic)
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Organist goes spastic
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Organist goes spastic
  by <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: used music (X-posted)
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Organist goes spastic
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Re: New pipe organ in Waco, Texas From: <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:13:41 -0700   On Mon, 6 May 2002 12:37:36 EDT Wurlibird1@aol.com wrote:   afreed3036@yahoo.com inquires:   >Don't take this as a big "challenge" or something, but >what kind of a "firm" "conduct[s] a funeral at the >church"? <<   The firm is Wilkirson-Hatch-Bailey Funeral Directors. The deceased was a member of the church and the family elected to have the service at the church rather than in one of our two chapels. The deceased was a 33 year employee of W-H-B where I am employed part-time (read=3Dretired!).   =95=95=95OK, you've identified the firm. But why would THEY conduct the funeral rather than having the pastor do so? As for having the funeral at the church, well, OF COURSE. I'd have made the same decision had I been involved. (Maybe it comes down to a difference in defining "funeral." I think of funeral as what happens between arrival of body at church and lowering box into grave [or whatever]. Perhaps "funeral" [in my thick skull] should mean everything from first phone call to mortuary to at least a week later.)   >And (gee, I hope this isn't a habit), why would a >20-rank organ have three manuals? <<   I am assuming that this is what the customer wanted, after all, its their money. It may also be due to planned expansion of the organ at some later date.   =95=95=95Ah, yes. I confess I didn't even consider that. Curious, though (and now quite neutral): in such cases is it a good idea to overdo the console with that in view or to do a bit of the expansion now (with two manuals) and later the add a manual (new console?) if, as, and when the expansion justifies it? Toss of the coin, perhaps.   Neither Range Organ or St. Mark's Lutheran commented on this matter. How the specifications will be configured is an unknown to me at this time.   The delay in responding to your questions is due to my being absent from my computer since last Friday.   Best wishes, Jim Pitts   =95=95=95Jim, I too have been absent a lot in recent days. Finally back in gear with new address from which this note comes. Thanks for writing. You're a guy whose messages I've often admired.   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: Re: New pipe organ in Waco, Texas From: <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:21:52 -0700   On Mon, 6 May 2002 11:39:58 -0700 (PDT) douglas morgan <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> wrote:   afreed3036@yahoo.com inquires:   >And (gee, I hope this isn't a habit), why would a >20-rank organ have three manuals? <<   Occasionally, organ builders have to build things they don't want to. One well known mid-west company built two organs I am familiar with -- one was a 5-manual with 15 ranks, and the other was a 3-manual with three ranks.   =95=95=95Mein goodness! But Keith, your point is well taken. Don't like it; but it's reality. Example here is the Klais at St. Peter's, Manhattan. Something like 32 ranks; ego dictated three manuals, but common sense (by both builder and parish committee) said, "Oh, come on!" So it has two. At St. Luke's we have 23 ranks on two manuals; Temple Emmanuel has dozens of ranks and growing, with four manuals (I think; I haven't seen it since last Sunday)--but in the nave has 20% of the guts of our little Walcker.   D. Keith Morgan   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.   Psalm 137:9   Which, of course, is child abuse. No tee hee. But thanks, Keith.   Alan  
(back) Subject: Colin Mitchell UK From: <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:41:32 -0300 (BRT)   Hi, Mitchell,   I forgot to say, I agree in a way with some opinions you write.   Domitila   Use o melhor sistema de busca da Internet Radar UOL - http://radaruol.uol.com.br  
(back) Subject: Organist goes spastic From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:32:44 -0500   I'm trying hard not to be low tonight. We had a bit of a scene after court this afternoon - my volunteer, provoked, said something untoward to a parent after losing a hearing, which we already knew we were going to lose (the judge had ruled two weeks ago). The attorney for the parent acted his usual unprofessional self in his characteristic attempt to preen in front of his clients. I was trying to steer the volunteer into the privacy of my office so that she could do a post-mortem and compose herself in private, when she proceeded to tell me what she did in the hallway. When I quietly and tactfully suggested that she shouldn't have done that, but it was OK and understandable (bad move on my part, I realize), she went hysterical and snatched up her files, giving them to the coordinator and saying she couldn't do it anymore and quit. I tried to calm her, but then ended up sending the coordinator out with her to be the good cop.   Well, this scene was on my mind when I went to the church, and I had trouble practicing at all, even though I have four more Sundays. Therefore, I started boxing up my organ music, some of my best friends in the world that I will not part with. I filled up three big document boxes, then ran out. Everything else will probably fit in one more box.     I looked at those boxes and thought, "The last 17 (almost) years of my musical life can fit into four document boxes, unlike my legal life (also almost 17 years)." I didn't cry, but felt very empty.   Someone pour the bourbon quick while I go feed the kittens. Thanks for listening - no response is necessary. I'll go eat some cat food with them and I'll feel better.   Let's see - tuna or turkey with giblets? That Sheba stuff looks pretty good.   Glenda Sutton            
(back) Subject: Re: messiaen From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:49:53 -0500   >It is interesting to attempt improvisation in the "style" of >such as Messaien   One way of doing this I have found interesting is to make use of the fact that Messiaen often composed in a mode consisting of alternate tones and semitones. A scale would then be C - D - D# -F - F# - G# - A - A# - C. This contains the major triads of four different keys, and also a diminished seventh chord. It is very effective to make use of all these, and especially to modulate between the four major keys.   John Speller        
(back) Subject: Re: Messiaen (comments about the 'Shrine's acoustic) From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:11:35 EDT     --part1_22.283c401c.2a0883c7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/5/2002 7:53:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > Nor are "dry" acoustics in a concert hall OR church particularly kind to > it. If there was anything disappointing about the premiere of The > Mystery of the Holy Trinity at the National Shrine in Washington (aside > from the unrevised Moller organ), it was that the full church made quite > a dent in the reverberation time. >   True, at the time of the premier of The Trinity, most of the basilica was still bare brick and the reverberation period was about 4.5 to 5 seconds = with the empty room, about 2.5 or a bot more with the room full of people.   NOW however, the entire basilica is faced with marble (excepting the areas =   covered with the various mosiac art pieces, such as the Christ in Majesty behind the high altar. The reverberation period is about 2 seconds longer =   and the room's sonic characteristics have changed a bit favoring the high = and mid-high frequencies, where begfore the room was quite "boom-y sounding especailly seated under the large dome near the high altar.   AND the organ has undergone major renovations with numerous tonal = additions so it is no longer lots of "top and bottom" with very little inbetween as = it was in the early 70's when I was there.   Rick in VA   --part1_22.283c401c.2a0883c7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 5/5/2002 7:53:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Nor are "dry" = acoustics in a concert hall OR church particularly kind to <BR>it. If there was anything disappointing about the premiere of The <BR>Mystery of the Holy Trinity at the National Shrine in Washington = (aside <BR>from the unrevised Moller organ), it was that the full church made = quite <BR>a dent in the reverberation time. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>True, at the time of the premier of The Trinity, most of the basilica = was still bare brick and the reverberation period was about 4.5 to 5 = seconds with the empty room, about 2.5 or a bot more with the room full of = people. <BR> <BR>NOW however, the entire basilica is faced with marble (excepting the = areas covered with the various mosiac art pieces, such as the Christ in = Majesty behind the high altar. &nbsp;The reverberation period is about 2 = seconds longer and the room's sonic characteristics have changed a bit = favoring the high and mid-high frequencies, where begfore the room was = quite "boom-y sounding especailly seated under the large dome near the = high altar. <BR> <BR>AND the organ has undergone major renovations with numerous tonal = additions so it is no longer lots of "top and bottom" with very little = inbetween as it was in the early 70's when I was there. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_22.283c401c.2a0883c7_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist goes spastic From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:22:00 EDT     --part1_1b8.7afde3.2a088638_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     > I looked at those boxes and thought, "The last 17 (almost) years of my > musical life can fit into four document boxes,   I do not believe this is accurate, although I can most assuredly see your viewing it that way at this time.   I'm not sure you're ready for my positive spin on this, but here goes:   The marvelous thing about church work (ministry) is that we can never = fully know the work we have done in the lives of individuals who have heard us = play (sing, direct, whatever). The intangible results of our tangible efforts = can never be ascertained. But God knows how you have been used.   While our music may fit neatly into 4 boxes, life itself can never fit = into a box. Neither can our emotions at any given moment. But, God is good.   Peace to you Glenda (by extension, all organists).   Neil Brown Barnegat, NJ USA   --part1_1b8.7afde3.2a088638_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I looked at those = boxes and thought, "The last 17 (almost) years of my<BR> musical life can fit into four document boxes, </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> I do not believe this is accurate, although I can most assuredly see your = viewing it that way at this time.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> I'm not sure you're ready for my positive spin on this, but here goes:<BR> <BR> The marvelous thing about church work (ministry) is that we can never = fully know the work we have done in the lives of individuals who have = heard us play (sing, direct, whatever).&nbsp; The intangible results of = our tangible efforts can never be ascertained.&nbsp; But God knows how you = have been used.<BR> <BR> While our music may fit neatly into 4 boxes, life itself can never fit = into a box.&nbsp; Neither can our emotions at any given moment.&nbsp; But, = God is good.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Peace to you Glenda (by extension, all organists).<BR> <BR> Neil Brown<BR> Barnegat, NJ USA<BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_1b8.7afde3.2a088638_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist goes spastic From: <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 18:28:54 -0700   On Mon, 6 May 2002 19:32:44 -0500 Glenda <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> wrote:   I'm trying hard not to be low tonight. I looked at those boxes and thought, "The last 17 (almost) years of my musical life can fit into four document boxes, ["]   Someone pour the bourbon quick while I go feed the kittens. Thanks for listening - no response is necessary. I'll go eat some cat food with them and I'll feel better.   =95=95=95Oh, dear Glenda. I've missed so much of the agony of the past couple weeks, switching from yahoo to earthlink, which is just the least of it. I'm driving my techie nutz, and vice versa. But I've got the impression that much awfulness is happening. And I know that "no response is necessary"--but very belated as it is, I have to tell you (even though knowing little of the events) I'm feeling big time for you.   That's the best I can say, now. I used to be a scholar in the bourbon department, and wish I could ship you what was then my dining room bar (c. 1972) to you; I've lost my "thing" for bourbon, having replaced it with vodka for about 20 years, and now gin. But I wish I still had the bourbon to send you (well, say, two or three bottles per day--some control has to be in place).   Love you more than you can realize. And wish it might do some good.   And my VERY best to the kitties.   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: used music (X-posted) From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 21:29:51 -0500   Bud Clark wrote, in part     > >We are hoping to start an online repository of specifically ANGLICAN > music, both anthems and liturgical music, similar to the Choral Public > Domain Library ... we felt that the liturgical music (at least) is a > specific enough sub-set   prompting Paul Emmons to respond, in part:   > However, on second thought, I > should take a look at them, and if they are deteriorating should find a > better home for them immediately. No sense keeping them in my grubby = little > hands if they would enjoy a longer life elsewhere. What climate control > conditions and other specialized handling is proposed for this valuable > archival material?   and since I am the one to whom Bud is referring, I need to state at this = time that at this time there are no specialized handling or climate control provisions organized. There are a couple of reasons for this: first, the project grew out of my association with a couple of scores which may have = been more than a century old which were physically deteriorating: scores were brittle, and corners seemed to break off if I so much as looked at the = score. But I was also not convinced that it was necessary to preserve the = original score, so long as the music itself was preserved. Images of each page of = the two items in question are now stored digitally, and I am of the opinion = that this is the way to preserve much of the material of the XIXth and XXth centuries, since the acid process paper on which it was originally printed = is expensive to preserve. Scanning the images, OTH, preserves the music and = makes it available at very reasonable cost to those who might be interested in = it in the future.   Noel Stoutenburg       , and frankly, at this time, I am not certain this is necessary    
(back) Subject: Re: Organist goes spastic From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:34:26 EDT     --part1_26.27457372.2a089732_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/6/02 9:33:10 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes: > I'm trying hard not to be low tonight. We had a bit of a scene after > court this afternoon .....   Well, Glenda... these things happen. Perhaps your volunteer isn't cut out =   for the rigors of law. It's best to find out early rather than be close = to retirement and realize you can't stand it any more!! At least you didn't =   have to bail her out.     > > Well, this scene was on my mind when I went to the church, and I had > trouble practicing at all, even though I have four more Sundays. > Therefore, I started boxing up my organ music, .... snip   Sometimes it does not work to practice for emotional therapy, sometimes it =   does. Unfortunately, you probably have too much baggage right now and you =   need a break from practicing, at least until you have adjusted to the situation of being a free musician. Soon you will enjoy going to the = organ for fun and fantasy. Practice will become recreation/re-creation in the = best sense.   > Someone pour the bourbon quick while I go feed the kittens. Thanks for > listening - no response is necessary. I'll go eat some cat food with > them and I'll feel better. >   Um.... what happened to your beagle?? I'm out of bourbon, but will = pretend with scotch... ;-)   > Let's see - tuna or turkey with giblets? That Sheba stuff looks pretty > good. > The Sheba stuff really does look wonderful especially when cut into those cute little squares and served in a stemmed crystal dessert dish.   Hope you have a great night (it's almost time to start!!!) ;-)   Bruce in the Muttestery of St. Dogmael with the Baskerbeagles http://members.tripod.com/brucon502 "Snuffer--The Lighthouse Beagle" is now in print (she even visits a pipe =   organ!!) Please visit: <A = HREF=3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">http://www.visionsuccess.com/B= C2053</A>   --part1_26.27457372.2a089732_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 5/6/02 9:33:10 PM Atlantic = Daylight Time, gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes: <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm trying hard = not to be low tonight.&nbsp; We had a bit of a scene after<BR> court this afternoon .....</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Well, Glenda... = these things happen.&nbsp; Perhaps your volunteer isn't cut out for the = rigors of law.&nbsp; It's best to find out early rather than be close to = retirement and realize you can't stand it any more!!&nbsp;&nbsp; At least = you didn't have to bail her out.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR> Well, this scene was on my mind when I went to the church, and I had<BR> trouble practicing at all, even though I have four more Sundays.&nbsp; = <BR> Therefore, I started boxing up my organ music,&nbsp; ....&nbsp; = snip</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Sometimes it does = not work to practice for emotional therapy, sometimes it does.&nbsp; = Unfortunately, you probably have too much baggage right now and you need a = break from practicing, at least until you have adjusted to the situation = of being a free musician.&nbsp;&nbsp; Soon you will enjoy going to the = organ for fun and fantasy.&nbsp; Practice will become recreation/re-creation in the best sense.<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Someone pour the = bourbon quick while I go feed the kittens.&nbsp; Thanks for<BR> listening - no response is necessary.&nbsp; I'll go eat some cat food = with<BR> them and I'll feel better.<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Um.... what = happened to your beagle??&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm out of bourbon, but will = pretend with scotch...&nbsp; ;-)</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Let's see - tuna = or turkey with giblets?&nbsp; That Sheba stuff looks pretty<BR> good.<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> The Sheba stuff really does look wonderful especially when cut into those = cute little squares and served in a stemmed crystal dessert dish.<BR> <BR> Hope you have a great night (it's almost time to start!!!)&nbsp; ;-)<BR> <BR> Bruce in the Muttestery of St. Dogmael<BR> with the Baskerbeagles&nbsp; http://members.tripod.com/brucon502<BR> "Snuffer--The Lighthouse Beagle"&nbsp; is now in print&nbsp; (she even = visits a pipe organ!!)<BR> Please visit:&nbsp; </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" = style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D1 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><A = HREF=3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">http://www.visionsuccess.com/B= C2053</A></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> = </FONT></HTML>   --part1_26.27457372.2a089732_boundary--