PipeChat Digest #2864 - Tuesday, May 21, 2002
 
Re: A voicer in church
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Collective noun for organists?
  by <LeliaLoban@aol.com>
Organ Recitals
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
RE: A voicer in church
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: A voicer in church
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Collective noun for organists
  by "Dr. Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com>
organbuilders  vs.  organ  builders
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: ORGAN AD
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
RE: ORGAN AD
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
organists as builders / builders as organists
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
organists as builders / builders as organists
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
organists as builders / builders as organists
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
dups ... sorry
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: dups ... sorry
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: dups ... sorry
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: A voicer in church
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: Re: A voicer in church From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:24:37 EDT   Well, if there is only one tuner in New Zealand who can play, that's a = shame. In the United States, many organbuilders and voicers have conservatory training and hold church positions.   SMG  
(back) Subject: Re: Collective noun for organists? From: <LeliaLoban@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:40:31 EDT     >What's the collective noun for organists? >   A rank of organists? A windchest? How about . . . a bellows!   ;-) Lelia Loban LeliaLoban@aol.com  
(back) Subject: Organ Recitals From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:48:27 -0400   Dr. Steven Egler, head of the organ department at Central Michigan University, and AGO Region V Councilor, will be performing at All Saints Episcopal, 10 Irving St. Worcester, Massachusetts on Sunday, June 23 at 5 p.m. He will be performing the following program:   Festive Intrada - Walter Pelz   Three Preludes from Choralewerks - Gerald Near "Now Thank We All Our God" "Comfort, Comfort You My People" "Blessed Jesus, At Thy Word"   Variations on Engelberg - Moonyeen Albrecht   Symphony V in F Minor, Opus 42 Charles-Marie Widor   There will be a free will offering with a reception to follow. Dr. Egler will play this program the following Wednesday night at Methuen Memorial Music Hall.   Submitted by Judy Ollikkala    
(back) Subject: RE: A voicer in church From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:26:23 -0400   The same restrictions were in place in Canada up 'til not too long ago.   I had the privilege of working with someone about ten years ago that = started his career working for the Karn-Warren organ Co. He started as a teenager during WW one. He retired when he was about 85. = He had almost 70 years experience and claimed that he was without work only once in his career and for only two weeks during the Depression. I think he's still alive.   According to him (Harold Robbins) organists and musicians were not particularly welcome in organ companies precisely because they would or might spend precious time playing instead of working. Back then of course labour had to be intense and well accounted for.   Can you imagine (organ tuners and builders will no doubt agree) how difficult it would have been to work on site in a church with poor or = little lighting and the pressure to get work done while there was daylight? I can't imagine them using candles or anything with a flame-there would = have fires caused by organ builders constantly I'd think and I don't think = there is lengthy history of this happening.   Please, correct me if I'm wrong.   AjM   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of TubaMagna@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 9:25 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: A voicer in church   Well, if there is only one tuner in New Zealand who can play, that's a shame. In the United States, many organbuilders and voicers have conservatory training and hold church positions.   SMG   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: A voicer in church From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:19:11 -0400   Dear Ones,   I think it is o.k. to tell this story. It has, after all, been 45 years, = and there is nothing really wrong about it anyway except my attitude. During = my time at Oberlin, I came to think I might really want to work for an organbuilder, and when I was ready to leave in 1957, I made an appointment to visit the Schantz folks, among others. I had a good tour of the = workshop, and then I was invited into the office to talk about the idea of working there. You need to know that my experience hands-on at that time was practically nil, so I was bringing really nothing to the table other than = a lot of interest and an ability to play the instrument. They were very = kind, and let me down ever so gently, explaining that they really did not want organists working there, and believe me, it was not because they feared = that I would spend company time playing the organs. (That, of course, would = have applied rather to a tuning/maintenance job than shop work, anyway.) Their reasoning was that they wanted really good, steady workers, rooted in the community, churches, the bowling league, all that sort of stuff, rather = than organists who would, overtly or covertly, be spending their time thinking and possibly talking about what the organs should really sound like or how they should be built. They did try to explain that they were not afraid of ideas from others, but that this was their company, and they had their dreams about how the design, tonal and physical, of their instruments = ought to go, and they were only interested in good "disinterested" and honest workers who would do the job for them. By no means does this mean that the workers should or could not feel intense pride in what they did, and I expect many of them did.   I went back to my all-knowing colleagues at Oberlin, with a "God, you wouldn't believe what I just heard" attitude, and this from a twerp who could play a pretty good Bach Prelude and Fugue but a twerp who had really nothing at all to offer to a builder - I had never even seen a drill = press!   Now, let me tell you what Papa Holtkamp, whom I knew, said: "Malcolm, go enlist in the Army for a two year tour of duty, and when you finish that, come back, and I might be interested in hiring you." He knew me, better = than I knew myself.   Here endeth True Confessions!   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: RE: A voicer in church     > > According to him (Harold Robbins) organists and musicians were not > particularly welcome in organ companies precisely because they would or > might spend precious time playing instead of working. Back then of = course > labour had to be intense and well accounted for. > > > AjM >      
(back) Subject: Collective noun for organists From: "Dr. Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:25:15 -0700 (PDT)   I vote for "Plenum."   JBH NYC   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: organbuilders vs. organ builders From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:13:35 EDT   Malcolm brings up some interesting points, especially as conveyed to = him by Schantz. Organists can be an itinerant lot. On one or two of these chat lists, one =   finds some people discussing their "position of the month," often moving = from state to state. Most companies do maintain a "no tonal directors need apply" attitude = for their workforce, unless they are specifically in the market for one. An incoming experienced voicer may have to radically change their style of voicing and finishing to fit into the established tonal pattern of the = firm he has joined. Nelson Barden, a fine conservator in Boston, told me that he rarely = hires somebody who syas, "Well, when I worked for so-and-so, we did it THIS = way." He has his own ideas, his own methods, and they have built his fine reputation and successful career, so he may be disinclined to have such a person come in when he can have the benefit of training a worker himself. As any organbuilder can tell you, one DOES learn from one's employees. =   My late father was a professor of philosophy and ethics, and always = said that a teacher's greatest hope is that his students end up being better scholars or practitioners than their mentors. This brings me to my own shop, in which all four of my principal craftspeople are degreed musicians, but NOT organists. They are all professional singers, and sometimes rotate out of the pool if they have a short term contract with an opera company in another state or overseas. = They bring with them a clear sense of what is musical, as well as the = discipline of performing artists. Of course, there is always the risk that they will = go on to opera full time, but there will always be future applicants. In the mean time, they develop new methods, practical jigs and tools, and = continue to refine and experiment with conservation and organbuilding techniques.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: ORGAN AD From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:51:51 -0400   Why is this organ, so recently installed, now for sale? Have I somehow missed something?   Karl E. Moyer Lacnaster PA   > From: Administrator <admin@pipechat.org> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:56:48 -0500 > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Fwd: ORGAN AD > > The following was sent to the Administration address. If you are > interested reply to the addres below NOT the list since this person > is not on the list. > > David > >> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:40:54 -0500 >> From: CHRISTOPHER LACY <christopher.lacy@usa.net> >> To: <admin@pipechat.org> >> Subject: ORGAN AD >> Sender: <admin@pipechat.org> >> >> >> HELLO: >> >> We are selling the following instrument. I am wondering >> if you can tell me where you think this ad would best >> be placed. We will buy advertising space if need be. >> Please advice. >> >> CL >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> MAGNIFICENT RUDOLF >> VOW BECKERATH ORGAN (RENAISSANCE CASE ) FOR SALE >> SPECS AND PHOTO ARE ONLINE AT: >> >> http://www.beckerath.com/en/news/news.htm >> >> New Beckerath Organ at New York/USA >> Trinity Evangelical Lutheran Church of Manhattan. >> Work began on March 16th, 2001. Completion was on April 29th, 2001. >> >> >> >> TO VIEW AND OR/PLAY THIS INSTRUMENT >> CONTACT: >> ANTHONY MALONE >> 1.888.674.5228 >> >> >> FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT: >> DR. G. WHITNEY READER >> READERGW@AOL.COM >> 316.688.5037 > > > -- > **************************************** > David Scribner > Owner / Co-Administrator > PipeChat > > http://www.pipechat.org > mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: RE: ORGAN AD From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:12:37 -0500   According to the Organ Clearing House listing, the customer ordered the organ from Beckerath and then decided to purchase a different Beckerath. This one is housed temporarily in a NYC church while it awaits a buyer.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Karl Moyer [mailto:kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:52 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: ORGAN AD     Why is this organ, so recently installed, now for sale? Have I somehow missed something?   Karl E. Moyer Lacnaster PA   > From: Administrator <admin@pipechat.org> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:56:48 -0500 > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Fwd: ORGAN AD > > The following was sent to the Administration address. If you are > interested reply to the addres below NOT the list since this person > is not on the list. > > David > >> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:40:54 -0500 >> From: CHRISTOPHER LACY <christopher.lacy@usa.net> >> To: <admin@pipechat.org> >> Subject: ORGAN AD >> Sender: <admin@pipechat.org> >> >> >> HELLO: >> >> We are selling the following instrument. I am wondering >> if you can tell me where you think this ad would best >> be placed. We will buy advertising space if need be. >> Please advice. >> >> CL >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> MAGNIFICENT RUDOLF >> VOW BECKERATH ORGAN (RENAISSANCE CASE ) FOR SALE >> SPECS AND PHOTO ARE ONLINE AT: >> >> http://www.beckerath.com/en/news/news.htm >> >> New Beckerath Organ at New York/USA >> Trinity Evangelical Lutheran Church of Manhattan. >> Work began on March 16th, 2001. Completion was on April 29th, 2001. >> >> >> >> TO VIEW AND OR/PLAY THIS INSTRUMENT >> CONTACT: >> ANTHONY MALONE >> 1.888.674.5228 >> >> >> FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT: >> DR. G. WHITNEY READER >> READERGW@AOL.COM >> 316.688.5037 > > > -- > **************************************** > David Scribner > Owner / Co-Administrator > PipeChat > > http://www.pipechat.org > mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: organists as builders / builders as organists From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:59:05 -0700   I can see the builders' point in not wanting organists working in the shop; OTOH, I have had the experience of meeting and talking to quite a few builders who had not a clue about organ LITERATURE or what it required. Some managed to build good organs anyway; some didn't.   IN GENERAL, organists need to know a LOT more about organ-building, and by that I do NOT mean drawing up dream-lists; and builders need to know at least the BASICS of what the literature requires.   I said to one prospective builder that I wanted to be sure our new organ had the "four fonds" in each manual division (8' diapason, open or harmonic or double flute, broad-scale string, and stopped or chimney flute), and at least an 8' chorus reed in the Choir organ. He looked at me blankly and said, "Why?"   We didn't go with that builder (grin) ... BECAUSE ... if he didn't know about the function of the four fonds in French romantic organ music, it was equally likely that he wouldn't know how to voice and scale them to do what they are intended to do ... ditto a chorus reed in the Choir organ.   I also suggested to several builders that they should come to one of our SERVICES, to hear how the organ is USED in OUR liturgy, which happens to be a rather anachronistic sub-set of a sub-set (Anglican high-church circa 1950) ... none did.   The one we chose WILL, before he commences building ... there is more point to his coming NOW ... we're IN the new building ... with such spacious acoustics in a relatively small room, scaling and voicing is going to have to be done VERY carefully.   Is it my imagination, or do organists and organ-builders not like to TALK to each other much? I chose the builder I chose because he WOULD .... when I was wrong, he wasn't shy about telling me so, and explaining WHY; when he didn't understand the particular function of something I wanted, he was willing to listen to an explanation of why I wanted it.   Here's a related question: a couple of builders of my acquaintance are building for CHURCHES that have not a CLUE ... they simply want a pipe organ as a status symbol, because they can AFFORD one. As long as the console has lots of stops and pretty flashing lights, they don't much care what the console is ATTACHED to.   In a situation like that, how much of an obligation does the builder have to try and guide them toward an instrument with SOME kind of usefulness beyond hymn-playing, on the off-chance that SOMEDAY a real organist MIGHT play it?   This is NOT to say that those builders won't build instruments of integrity ... they will. But if they WEREN'T builders of integrity, they could give those churches big consoles hooked to 5-6 unit ranks (including a Tibia, of COURSE), be done with it, and the churches would probably be none the wiser.   I'm always reminded of the story of a Methodist Church in Florida, near where I grew up. They were given a blank check for an organ ... anything they wanted, cost no object. The church was not near a major metropolitan area or a college ... they decided that since they were never likely to GET a good organist, they wouldn't "waste" the donor's money ... they asked for a set of external speakers for their Thomas (!) spinet organ, and that was it.   The next minister's wife had an MM from Mason at Michigan.   Cheers,   Bud  
(back) Subject: organists as builders / builders as organists From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:08:48 -0700   I can see the builders' point in not wanting organists working in the shop; OTOH, I have had the experience of meeting and talking to quite a few builders who had not a clue about organ LITERATURE or what it required. Some managed to build good organs anyway; some didn't.   IN GENERAL, organists need to know a LOT more about organ-building, and by that I do NOT mean drawing up dream-lists; and builders need to know at least the BASICS of what the literature requires.   I said to one prospective builder that I wanted to be sure our new organ had the "four fonds" in each manual division (8' diapason, open or harmonic or double flute, broad-scale string, and stopped or chimney flute), and at least an 8' chorus reed in the Choir organ. He looked at me blankly and said, "Why?"   We didn't go with that builder (grin) ... BECAUSE ... if he didn't know about the function of the four fonds in French romantic organ music, it was equally likely that he wouldn't know how to voice and scale them to do what they are intended to do ... ditto a chorus reed in the Choir organ.   I also suggested to several builders that they should come to one of our SERVICES, to hear how the organ is USED in OUR liturgy, which happens to be a rather anachronistic sub-set of a sub-set (Anglican high-church circa 1950) ... none did.   The one we chose WILL, before he commences building ... there is more point to his coming NOW ... we're IN the new building ... with such spacious acoustics in a relatively small room, scaling and voicing is going to have to be done VERY carefully.   Is it my imagination, or do organists and organ-builders not like to TALK to each other much? I chose the builder I chose because he WOULD .... when I was wrong, he wasn't shy about telling me so, and explaining WHY; when he didn't understand the particular function of something I wanted, he was willing to listen to an explanation of why I wanted it.   Here's a related question: a couple of builders of my acquaintance are building for CHURCHES that have not a CLUE ... they simply want a pipe organ as a status symbol, because they can AFFORD one. As long as the console has lots of stops and pretty flashing lights, they don't much care what the console is ATTACHED to.   In a situation like that, how much of an obligation does the builder have to try and guide them toward an instrument with SOME kind of usefulness beyond hymn-playing, on the off-chance that SOMEDAY a real organist MIGHT play it?   This is NOT to say that those builders won't build instruments of integrity ... they will. But if they WEREN'T builders of integrity, they could give those churches big consoles hooked to 5-6 unit ranks (including a Tibia, of COURSE), be done with it, and the churches would probably be none the wiser.   I'm always reminded of the story of a Methodist Church in Florida, near where I grew up. They were given a blank check for an organ ... anything they wanted, cost no object. The church was not near a major metropolitan area or a college ... they decided that since they were never likely to GET a good organist, they wouldn't "waste" the donor's money ... they asked for a set of external speakers for their Thomas (!) spinet organ, and that was it.   The next minister's wife had an MM from Mason at Michigan.   Cheers,   Bud  
(back) Subject: organists as builders / builders as organists From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:02:01 -0700   I can see the builders' point in not wanting organists working in the shop; OTOH, I have had the experience of meeting and talking to quite a few builders who had not a clue about organ LITERATURE or what it required. Some managed to build good organs anyway; some didn't.   IN GENERAL, organists need to know a LOT more about organ-building, and by that I do NOT mean drawing up dream-lists; and builders need to know at least the BASICS of what the literature requires.   I said to one prospective builder that I wanted to be sure our new organ had the "four fonds" in each manual division (8' diapason, open or harmonic or double flute, broad-scale string, and stopped or chimney flute), and at least an 8' chorus reed in the Choir organ. He looked at me blankly and said, "Why?"   We didn't go with that builder (grin) ... BECAUSE ... if he didn't know about the function of the four fonds in French romantic organ music, it was equally likely that he wouldn't know how to voice and scale them to do what they are intended to do ... ditto a chorus reed in the Choir organ.   I also suggested to several builders that they should come to one of our SERVICES, to hear how the organ is USED in OUR liturgy, which happens to be a rather anachronistic sub-set of a sub-set (Anglican high-church circa 1950) ... none did.   The one we chose WILL, before he commences building ... there is more point to his coming NOW ... we're IN the new building ... with such spacious acoustics in a relatively small room, scaling and voicing is going to have to be done VERY carefully.   Is it my imagination, or do organists and organ-builders not like to TALK to each other much? I chose the builder I chose because he WOULD .... when I was wrong, he wasn't shy about telling me so, and explaining WHY; when he didn't understand the particular function of something I wanted, he was willing to listen to an explanation of why I wanted it.   Here's a related question: a couple of builders of my acquaintance are building for CHURCHES that have not a CLUE ... they simply want a pipe organ as a status symbol, because they can AFFORD one. As long as the console has lots of stops and pretty flashing lights, they don't much care what the console is ATTACHED to.   In a situation like that, how much of an obligation does the builder have to try and guide them toward an instrument with SOME kind of usefulness beyond hymn-playing, on the off-chance that SOMEDAY a real organist MIGHT play it?   This is NOT to say that those builders won't build instruments of integrity ... they will. But if they WEREN'T builders of integrity, they could give those churches big consoles hooked to 5-6 unit ranks (including a Tibia, of COURSE), be done with it, and the churches would probably be none the wiser.   I'm always reminded of the story of a Methodist Church in Florida, near where I grew up. They were given a blank check for an organ ... anything they wanted, cost no object. The church was not near a major metropolitan area or a college ... they decided that since they were never likely to GET a good organist, they wouldn't "waste" the donor's money ... they asked for a set of external speakers for their Thomas (!) spinet organ, and that was it.   The next minister's wife had an MM from Mason at Michigan.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: dups ... sorry From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:19:48 -0700   My mail server is being passing strange ...   Bud  
(back) Subject: RE: dups ... sorry From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:16:41 -0500   It's okay; we like hearing from you...over and over and over....   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 2:20 PM To: pipechat Subject: dups ... sorry     My mail server is being passing strange ...   Bud   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: dups ... sorry From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:06:50 EDT     --part1_a5.280b0e06.2a1c10ea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   We like hearing from you, too, Peter. Lee   --part1_a5.280b0e06.2a1c10ea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>We like hearing from = you, too, Peter. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a5.280b0e06.2a1c10ea_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: A voicer in church From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 10:23:35 +1200   Yes, indeed, organbuilders and tuners used candles for centuries, and were thus quite often the cause of organs (and the churches) burning down. In some 19th-century organs here in NZ that have not yet been restored there remains some candlegrease on passageboards and buildingframes and floors. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Mead <mead@eagle.ca> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 2:25 AM Subject: RE: A voicer in church     >The same restrictions were in place in Canada up 'til not too long ago. > >I had the privilege of working with someone about ten years ago that started >his career working for the Karn-Warren organ Co. >He started as a teenager during WW one. He retired when he was about 85. = He >had almost 70 years experience and claimed that he was without work only >once in his career and for only two weeks during the Depression. I think >he's still alive. > >According to him (Harold Robbins) organists and musicians were not >particularly welcome in organ companies precisely because they would or >might spend precious time playing instead of working. Back then of course >labour had to be intense and well accounted for. > >Can you imagine (organ tuners and builders will no doubt agree) how >difficult it would have been to work on site in a church with poor or little >lighting and the pressure to get work done while there was daylight? >I can't imagine them using candles or anything with a flame-there would have >fires caused by organ builders constantly I'd think and I don't think = there >is lengthy history of this happening. > >Please, correct me if I'm wrong. > >AjM > >-----Original Message----- >From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of >TubaMagna@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 9:25 AM >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: A voicer in church > >Well, if there is only one tuner in New Zealand who can play, that's a >shame. >In the United States, many organbuilders and voicers have conservatory >training and hold church positions. > >SMG > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >