PipeChat Digest #2865 - Wednesday, May 22, 2002
 
Re: ORGAN AD
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: ORGAN AD
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Problems of wedding playing
  by "Robert Ridgeway" <robert@magneticlab.com>
Re: Roland C-180?
  by "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net>
RE: A voice in church this morning
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
RE: A voice in church this morning
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
RE: organbuilders as creative artists
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Re: ORGAN AD
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: organbuilders as creative artists
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: organbuilders as creative artists
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: ORGAN AD From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:19:30 -0400   Here's the latest I have, Karl:   [This is a note I just sent to Malcolm Wechsler.]   Well, it exists.   Built by von Beckeratch for the residence of one Dr. Reeder of Wichita. Three manuals, one of which is for couplers or positiv, or whatever, whatever that means. Reeder cut back on the new addition to his house, = and backed out of the deal. Paid for the thing, but bought instead a smaller one for actual installation. Just a year or two back. Asking $365k plus labor in NYC to put it up at Trinity Church, 100th St., around the corner from Saint Michael's' von Beckerath; it's in use.   23'6" high; 15' wide; 11'6" deep including pedalboard. Specs available at www.beckerath.com, under "company news," where it's known as Reeder 1 (as contrasted to the second one, Reeder 2). Probably will accept $275k.   D. Bish has expressed interested, but is backing away.   VonB's man is Anthony Maloni, now servicing their machines in Hawaii, but reachable at 914 843 4766. His shop (Maloni & Sarrier) is in Portchester, Westchester County, where he competes against our guy, Tim Fink, for maintenance work on trackers and stuff. He'll be back on the mainland in = a couple weeks or so. He LIVES in Manhattan, tho P'chester is his home = town, and home of his parents. 22 stops; 28 ranks.   Maloni called me from Hawaii this afternoon, and I understood MOST, but = NOT ALL of what he said. He'll welcome calls. V. pleasant guy. My guess is that you know him. His corporate history is Odell, leading to = v.Beckerath.   Interesting tale, nicht wahr? We gotta find a home for this thing.   Second subject: See www.intintim-musik.se re some interesting recordings = re Gertrudenmusik. It'll make an incurable Lutheran out of you. Or so I'm told by our Evangelism Department!!   Alan   On 5/21/02 1:51 PM, "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> wrote:   > Why is this organ, so recently installed, now for sale? Have I somehow > missed something? > > Karl E. Moyer > Lacnaster PA > >> From: Administrator <admin@pipechat.org> >> Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:56:48 -0500 >> To: pipechat@pipechat.org >> Subject: Fwd: ORGAN AD >> >> The following was sent to the Administration address. If you are >> interested reply to the addres below NOT the list since this person >> is not on the list. >> >> David >> >>> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:40:54 -0500 >>> From: CHRISTOPHER LACY <christopher.lacy@usa.net> >>> To: <admin@pipechat.org> >>> Subject: ORGAN AD >>> Sender: <admin@pipechat.org> >>> >>> HELLO: >>> >>> We are selling the following instrument. I am wondering >>> if you can tell me where you think this ad would best >>> be placed. We will buy advertising space if need be. >>> Please advice. >>> >>> CL >>> >>> MAGNIFICENT RUDOLF >>> VOW BECKERATH ORGAN (RENAISSANCE CASE ) FOR SALE >>> SPECS AND PHOTO ARE ONLINE AT: >>> >>> http://www.beckerath.com/en/news/news.htm >>> >>> New Beckerath Organ at New York/USA >>> Trinity Evangelical Lutheran Church of Manhattan. >>> Work began on March 16th, 2001. Completion was on April 29th, 2001. >>> >>> TO VIEW AND OR/PLAY THIS INSTRUMENT >>> CONTACT: >>> ANTHONY MALONE >>> 1.888.674.5228 >>> >>> FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT: >>> DR. G. WHITNEY READER >>> READERGW@AOL.COM >>> 316.688.5037 >> >> **************************************** >> David Scribner >> Owner / Co-Administrator >> PipeChat >> >> http://www.pipechat.org >> mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>    
(back) Subject: Re: ORGAN AD From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:23:19 -0400   On 5/21/02 6:19 PM, "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote:   >> Why is this organ, so recently installed, now for sale? Have I somehow >> missed something? >> >> Karl E. Moyer >> Lacnaster PA >> Karl, my IMPRESSION is that it has not been "installed," but is just standing on the floor at the west end of the nave (which has very spacious aisles, etc.). By next week, I may know. Earlier post probably covers other points.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Problems of wedding playing From: "Robert Ridgeway" <robert@magneticlab.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:34:26 -0500   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_1968986= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   Here is a humorous satire on the rigors of playing for weddings and receptions. Unfortunately it is far too close to the truth (occasionally). Enjoy. This was provided to me by a well-known professional organist who shall remain anonymous.   Subject: Wedding Request   Dear Bandleader (or "Organist")"   We look forward to your performance at our daughter's wedding. If you don't mind, we would like to request a few of our favorite songs. Please play these during the reception:   A Keith Jarrett composition from his solo series. Please arrange it for full ensemble in the key of B but nothing in 4/4 please.   Mahavishnu Orchestra, "Dance of the Maya" and please have the guitarist play John Mclaughlin's solo from the live performance Nov. 16,1972 at Chrysler Arena. My wife and I were at that show and we liked his use of polyrhythms.   One of John Coltrane's duets with Pharaoh Sanders. Our guests love high register tenor saxes.   We thought a little Stravinsky right after the toast would be nice. So please play "The Rite of Spring." We like a tempo of about 1/4 note =3D 93 and transpose it down 3 half-steps-it will be so much more appropriate for this occasion in the slightly lower register.   Then for the candle lighting ceremony, please play Frank Zappa's "The Grand Wazoo." The original key of B flat, would be fine but my cousin Jeannie would like to sing the baritone sax solo in the key of D-she has kind of a high voice.   When my new son-in-law takes off the garter, please just a little of Varese's "Ionization." It's such a funny piece, we think it would go over real well. Much better than "The Stripper."   And for the bride & groom's first dance, please slow things down a bit by doing Barber's "Adagio For Strings. "It's so much better than "We've Only Just Begun" or the "Anniversary Waltz."   When my wife and I join in the first dance, could you segue to Thelonius Monk's "Ruby, My Dear" -it's in honor of my wife's grandmother whose name was Ruby. It would mean so much to the family.   Thanks for all your help. Depending on the outcome we'll certainly be happy to recommend your band to our friends. We'll have your check for the fee of $250 (minus our expenses in contacting you of $12.50) by the end of next month; we're a little short, as the young lady doing the balloon arch wanted her $1,850 in advance and the DJ had to be paid up front his $2,500 as normal. Our daughter assured us that your love of music was greater than your need for money, and that you would welcome the exposure you would get from playing this wedding.   Before you leave, please feel free to ask the caterer for a snack sandwich and a soda (the bottles are returnable or you can pay the deposit to the butler). Please use the back entrance to avoid disturbing the guests.   Sincerely yours, Alice Rockefeller Gates       --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_1968986= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> Here is a humorous satire on the rigors of playing for weddings and receptions. Unfortunately it is far too close to the truth (occasionally).&nbsp; Enjoy. This was provided to me by a well-known professional organist who shall remain anonymous. <br><br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">Subject: Wedding Request<br> </font>&nbsp;<br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">Dear Bandleader (or &quot;Organist&quot;)&quot;<br><br> We look forward to your performance at our daughter's wedding.</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">If you don't mind, we would like to request a few of our</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">favorite songs.</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">Please play these during the reception:</font> <br><br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">A Keith Jarrett composition from his solo = series.</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">Please arrange it for full</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">ensemble in the key of B but nothing in 4/4 = please.<br> </font>&nbsp;<br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">Mahavishnu Orchestra, &quot;Dance of the Maya&quot; and please</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">have the guitarist play John Mclaughlin's solo = from the live</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">performance Nov. 16,1972 at Chrysler Arena. My = wife</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">and I were at that show and we liked his use of = polyrhythms.</font> <br><br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">One of John Coltrane's duets with Pharaoh = Sanders.</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">Our guests love high register tenor saxes.</font> = <br><br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">We thought a little Stravinsky right after the = toast</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">would be nice. So please play &quot;The Rite of = Spring.&quot;</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">We like a tempo of about 1/4 note =3D 93</font> = <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">and transpose it down 3 half-steps-it will be so = much</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">more appropriate for this occasion in the slightly = lower register.</font> <br><br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">Then for the candle lighting ceremony, please = play</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">Frank Zappa's &quot;The Grand Wazoo.&quot; The = original</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">key of B flat, would be fine but my cousin Jeannie = would</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">like to sing the baritone sax solo in the key = of</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">D-she has kind of a high voice.</font> <br><br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">When my new son-in-law takes off the garter, = please</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">just a little of Varese's &quot;Ionization.&quot; = It's such a funny</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">piece, we think it would go over real well.</font> = <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">Much better than &quot;The Stripper.&quot;</font> = <br><br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">And for the bride &amp; groom's first dance, = please slow</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">things down a bit by doing Barber's &quot;Adagio = For Strings.</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">&quot;It's so much better than &quot;We've Only = Just Begun&quot;</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">or the &quot;Anniversary Waltz.&quot;<br> </font>&nbsp;<br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">When my wife and I join in the first dance, = could</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">you segue to Thelonius Monk's &quot;Ruby, My = Dear&quot;</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">-it's in honor of my wife's grandmother = whose</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">name was Ruby. It would mean so much to the = family.<br> </font>&nbsp;<br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">Thanks for all your help. Depending on the = outcome</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">we'll certainly be happy to recommend your band = to</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">our friends. We'll have your check for the</font> = <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">fee of $250 (minus our expenses in contacting you = of</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">$12.50) by the end of next month; we're a little = short,</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">as the young lady doing the balloon arch = wanted</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">her $1,850 in advance and the DJ had to be paid = up</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">front his $2,500 as normal. Our daughter assured = us</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">that your love of music was greater than your need = for</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">money, and that you would welcome the exposure = you</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">would get from playing this wedding.</font> = <br><br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">Before you leave, please feel free to ask = the</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">caterer for a snack sandwich and a soda</font> = <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">(the bottles are returnable or you can pay the = deposit to the</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">butler). Please use the back entrance to avoid = disturbing</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">the guests.<br> </font>&nbsp;<br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">Sincerely yours,</font> <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">Alice Rockefeller Gates</font> <br><br> <br> </html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_1968986= =3D=3D_.ALT--    
(back) Subject: Re: Roland C-180? From: "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:48:52 -0500   I ordered a Roland C-180 a few minutes ago via phone at Sam Ash music. They do not have any in stock at the moment, but will order one and ship it out when they receive it. The base price was $299.99 + 14.95 shipping, so the total comes to $314.94. From the prices I've seen elsewhere it sounds like a good deal.   Paul     "soulek@frontiernet.net" wrote: > > I am in need of a classical-sounding keyboard/organ for my school = (parochial high school). We have need for an organ in opening/closing = worship services, and numerous other occasions throughout the school year. = I have seen the Roland C-180 advertised, and even heard a sound sample, = and was very impressed. Now is when I need your advice: how cheap can I = get one for? I think many months back someone posted about a website that = had these for $200. I also recall that the person said the keyboards on = these were junk, but this is not a problem for me since I've got another = good MIDI keyboard that could function as a controller. Here is a page = about this keyboard : <http://www.synthony.com/Products/c180.html> Also, = if anyone has a better idea, let me know. The tube-model Gulbransen with = dead notes will not survive much longer. > > Thank you! > Paul Soulek  
(back) Subject: RE: A voice in church this morning From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 02:21:13 +0100   Hello,   No! Believe it or not, they are all real events.....I still lunch out = on these stories! (+ the rest which I reserve for another day)   Colin Mitchell UK   -----Original Message----- From: "pipechat@pipechat.org" <pipechat@pipechat.org> on behalf of "Chicaleee@aol.com" <Chicaleee@aol.com>=20 Sent: 21 May 2002 03:45=20 To: "pipechat@pipechat.org" <pipechat@pipechat.org>=20 Subject: Re: A voice in church this morning=20   Is only the last one true? lol, Lee=20   (Finally, an ironic true story concerning an organ tuner who attended a famous instrument. After the tuning, the organist of the church arrived and, with a condescending attitude, grudingly complemented the tuner on his work, and then added, "I always think it such a pity that people like you (he meant "workmen") who have such a good musical ear couldn't have really used it and made something of themselves.)=20      
(back) Subject: RE: A voice in church this morning From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 02:30:38 +0100   Hello,   The name Robert Noeheren (Sp?) springs to mind as one terrific = organist/organ-builder in the USA.   Fr.Henry Willis was also a very capable organist.   I know of one builder in the UK who is at least ARCO standard   Ken Tickell in the UK is also very, very capable as an = organist/builder....he was a Uni Organ Scholar at one time.   It's a funny thing, but there are great designers/builders who have = limited musical ability. A bit like those brilliant engineers who design = Formula One racing cars but couldn't beat the local Vicar away from the = traffic lights!   I wonder if the "great" names were at all musical....you = know....Cavaille-Coll, Silbermann, Schnitger et al.   Regards.   Colin Mitchell UK   -----Original Message----- From: "pipechat@pipechat.org" <pipechat@pipechat.org> on behalf of "Ross = & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Sent: 21 May 2002 05:10 To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: A voice in church this morning   I can't speak for the USA, but in Britain for a very long time a fellow would not be trained as a tuner if he could play the instrument. There = was a reason - If you had tuned, say the St Paul's London job, would you immediately go = to another organ to tune, or steal half an hour (or more) of the firm's = time playing the great beast? I certainly would. And if anyone asked me why, = I'd say as sweetly as possible, "Just checking the result to see if I've = missed something." On the other hand, the present head of Harrison & Harrison, Mark = Venning, has at least an MA and his FRCO, though whether he does tuning rounds or = not I'm not sure. I only know of one organbuilder in NZ who is a good organist. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Chicaleee@aol.com <Chicaleee@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: Re: A voice in church this morning     Is only the last one true? lol, Lee   (Finally, an ironic true story concerning an organ tuner who attended = a famous instrument. After the tuning, the organist of the church arrived = and, with a condescending attitude, grudingly complemented the tuner on his = work, and then added, "I always think it such a pity that people like you (he meant "workmen") who have such a good musical ear couldn't have really = used it and made something of themselves.)         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: organbuilders as creative artists From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 02:48:23 +0100     Hello again,   I had no idea that there was such prejudice amongst organ-builders.   Perhaps this may explain why so many organ-builders are so bad at = creating anything musical.   It's interesting that Ralph Downes, as a mere scholar and musician, = should change the course of organ-building in the UK with his work at = the Festival Hall, London, and elsewhere.   I would make the distinction between organ-builders and tonal artists = however. Surely, an organ-builder is, first and foremost, a builder of = organs....good with wood, leather, electrics etc etc   A tonal artist is a quite different animal and part of a very rare = breed; if successful.   As Edmund Schulze stated, "I can give dem my scales, but I cannot give = dem diss!" (Pointing to his ear)   I look forward to the day when an organ-builder can design, voice, = finish and then play the organ he creates. In fact, I simply cannot = imagine how an organ-builder can fully understand the craft and the art = without a thorough MUSICAL knowledge. Maybe MOST organ-builders are = merely "factory organ makers".   Please tell me that I may be wrong!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK      
(back) Subject: Re: ORGAN AD From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 23:18:32 EDT   Dear Pipe Chatters" There is, I believe, a three-manual Hutchings pipe organ in the rear gallery of the church in question. When I last saw it, before the parking = of the new organ in the nave, it was tonally unaltered, although I do not = know its present status. Unfortunately, its double-rise reservoir was converted to a = "schwimmer" about fifteen years ago, although that alteration can be reversed, and its =   wind capacity and characteristics restored. It is an early = electropneumatic instrument, I believe very late nineteenth century, and there is evidence = of a young Ernest Skinner's design and engineering in it. Certainly, the tonal design and warm, broad scaling of the Hutchings = (or whichever nineteenth century American builder it is), with its Pedal 16' = Open Wood Diapason, tonally matches the room, even if the church feels that it does not match the current concept of the sound appropriate to modern Lutheran liturgy. Although I live here in The Big Apple, I do not know the circumstances =   surrounding the placement of the von Beckerath in the church; they may = have somehow felt it was less costly to purchase the forsaken residential von Beckerath than to invest in the restoration of the original, historic American pipe organ. They made certain that it got ample press coverage, though, so at the time, it was a major event for them. SMG  
(back) Subject: Re: organbuilders as creative artists From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:23:09 +1200   I think T.C.Lewis was a good organist, though largely self-taught. Too, it must be remembered, though it's often overlooked, that for most of his "consultant" life, Ralph Downes was very deaf in one ear, surely limiting his aural capabilities and suceptibilities and propensities......... The lack of being able to create musical instruments is not necessarily because the voicers can't usually play, but probably because their ears = are not good enough, and they often lack the skill to translate what their ear tells them into pipe design and the hand skills to voice properly anyway. = At least that's what John Norman said in our discussion on this very point. Ross -----Original Message----- From: cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 1:47 PM Subject: RE: organbuilders as creative artists       Hello again,   I had no idea that there was such prejudice amongst organ-builders.   Perhaps this may explain why so many organ-builders are so bad at creating anything musical.   It's interesting that Ralph Downes, as a mere scholar and musician, should change the course of organ-building in the UK with his work at the = Festival Hall, London, and elsewhere.   I would make the distinction between organ-builders and tonal artists however. Surely, an organ-builder is, first and foremost, a builder of organs....good with wood, leather, electrics etc etc   A tonal artist is a quite different animal and part of a very rare breed; = if successful.   As Edmund Schulze stated, "I can give dem my scales, but I cannot give dem diss!" (Pointing to his ear)   I look forward to the day when an organ-builder can design, voice, finish and then play the organ he creates. In fact, I simply cannot imagine how = an organ-builder can fully understand the craft and the art without a = thorough MUSICAL knowledge. Maybe MOST organ-builders are merely "factory organ makers".   Please tell me that I may be wrong!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: organbuilders as creative artists From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:10:00 EDT   Dear Colin:   Organ builders should at least have an acquaintence with the organ liturature in the stop list design. Any organ that can play 17th and 18th Century French liturature can be adequate for most other liturature. Dom Bedos de Celes did write the book on organ design. SMG pointed this out quite a while ago, the larigot and Cromorne go in the choir, the cornette de compose on another manual such as the Swell or Gt. The resources are not orphaned then. If two manuals the Cromorne on the Gt. and the Cornette de compose in the Swell with appropriate 8' 4' and 2' flutes. Werke Prinzip requires say a 16' Pedal Principal, 8' Gt. Principal , and Swell 4' Principal choruses. A Small two Manual, Ped. 8' Principal Gt. 4' and Swell 2' principal choruses. I like the later much better, but small organs are what they are. The for sale Beckerath required Coupling for the Principals 8' from the Gt. The Pedal was weak by itself. Reeds don't make up for this. The flues are very necessary and must come first.   I'm just going by the liturature, and the basics have to be there. Hook and Hastings organs were very good examples of good spec. design as were many others. They never put the cart before the horse, but first things first. Priorities! Essential!   Ron Severin