PipeChat Digest #3230 - Friday, November 15, 2002
 
Re: Thanksgiving Day Services in New York City
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: American Greats, again
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3228 - 11/14/02 Chuckerbutty
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Proper execution of Widor Toccata from the 5th.
  by "Antoni Scott" <ascott@ptd.net>
Re: Thanksgiving Day Services in New York City
  by <OrganNYC@aol.com>
RE: Blackburn Cathedral
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Re: Proper execution of Widor Toccata from the 5th.
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Proper execution of Widor Toccata from the 5th.
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Day Services in New York City From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:59:26 -0500   Jane: Why on earth would you come when everything is closed, and nothing happening? I know, that's not the way it should be, but that IS the way = it IS. More seriously, I will try, for you. But the pickings will be slim.   Jane: Tell me what KIND of worship you want. It will make my job much easier. Thanks. Seriously, what do you LIKE!!!!!????? With no clue, how can I help you?   Alan.       On 11/14/02 9:29 PM, "Bob and Jane Hanudel" <hanudel@schoollink.net> = wrote:   > Would anyone in Manhattan know of any Thanksgiving Day Services, = complete > with name of church, location of church, and times? Last year I > attended a mass at St. Patrick's on Thanksgiving Day; and while the = organ > music was beautiful, there just wasn't a whole lot of it! > I'm interested in a Thanksgiving Day Mass with organ music.......lots of > it!! > Many thanks to anyone who might have some information......... > Jane Hanudel > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: American Greats, again From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:12:15 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 6:12 AM Subject: RE: American Greats, again > The Walker organ of Blackburn Cathedral in the UK is quite stunning = (circa 1967?) and yet is a > most economical design tonally. (Designed by Dr Francis Jackson and Dr John Vertalot, and > voiced by Denys Thurlow) It has wonderul chorus-work for Bach, very = French reeds in a box > and enough colouring flues to satisfy the whims of French Baroque enthusiasts. It even has a > lovely String and Celeste. This is an organ on which it is possible to play the Durufle Toccata >(Jane Parker-Smith recorded on this instrument) and yet pull off Bach and Bruhns perfectly. The > 32ft Serpent is a wonderul (brass) reed and the = big horizontal trumpet adds just enough "zizz" on > full organ.   Thirty-five years ago I would have agreed with you, but not now. Soon = after the organ was completed (in 1969, I think), I heard John Bertalot play the instrument. Among other things I remember him playing the Bach A minor Prelude and Fugue (BWV 543), one of my favorite pieces. I remember = thinking this was one of the most virile and exciting sounds I had ever heard. = This, however, was at the height of the baroque revival, and one's sensibilities change. Now I cannot sound brilliant, articulate neo-baroque organs. Today, the Harrison at St. Mary Redcliffe, Bristol, or the Hill at Eton College is much more to my taste. When I think of Blackburn Cathedral now my main thought is, What a tragedy the previous organ, an 1875 = Cavaill=E9-Coll with mostly solid tin pipework, was destroyed! At the time the excuse = given was that the pipes were "worn out" -- would this have been by the friction of the air traveling through the pipes? <g>   John Speller, St. Louis, Mo., USA.      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3228 - 11/14/02 Chuckerbutty From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:19:39 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:37 AM Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3228 - 11/14/02 Chuckerbutty     > If you visit Ian MacIver's Organs under the Southern Cross page > http://theatreorgans.com/southerncross/Radiogram/UKfiles.htm you will find > Wilson Oliphant (Chuckerbutty). I'm not sure which was his actual name - but > there is a recording of him playing the organ in the Cafe Royal Regent > Street. (Estey 2/14)   Oliphant Chuckerbutty was his real name, but he used Wilson Oliphant as a pseudonym when playing the theatre organ. I guess he was a little = concerned that stuffy churchpeople would be upset at him playing in cinematograph halls. <g>   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Proper execution of Widor Toccata from the 5th. From: "Antoni Scott" <ascott@ptd.net> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:59:34 -0500   David:   Thank you for your commentary and recommendations. The score that I have at my disposal is published by G. Schirmer, Inc. When I said EACH AND EVERY note, I should have been more specific and indicated that it was each and every note that is played with the right hand. The slur you are referring to is in the left hand for the first eight bars, then the left hand goes staccato when the pedal starts.   I plead ignorance but I have never heard of the John Near edition nor Dr. Becker and would rather believe that a definitive interpretation of the Widor would come from someone like Marie-Claire Alain, Xavier Darasse, Biggs or Fox. It might be the acoustics of the church, poor microphone placement or the response time of the organ that give all of the interpretations I have heard on recordings that legato sound (right hand), or it might be that Klemens Schnorr and Xavier Darasse exaggerate the right hand staccato. After listening critically to all of the recordings I have, and comparing it to the music score (Schirmer)that I have, I would tend to believe that the Darasse version is the closest to the way it is written. Now if that is the way Widor wished it to be played, I will never know, but it sounds wonderful to me.   I just had four more Widor Toccatas added to my list, including Curley on an Allen and Kristiaan Seynhave on a thrilling van den Heuvel organ , Katarina Church, Stockholm. As with the Darasse version, the acoustics are wonderful.   I recently heard a recording by Marcel Dupre and was not impressed with that interpretation either (plus many mistakes). Even with the dozens of live performances I have heard of this same piece, I have heard them performed flawlessly (no editing necessary).     Antoni  
(back) Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Day Services in New York City From: <OrganNYC@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:52:10 EST     --part1_89.20e77926.2b05e58a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   While Alan Freed hit the nail on the head about Thanksgiving Services in = NYC, perhaps I can add a few sentences.   For the most part, churches in NYC do not hold services on Thanksgiving = Day. After all, this is a national and not religious holiday. Professional and =   semi-professional choirs are hard to round up due to the desire of = choristers to be with their families.   However, some churches do have services. Will they be as glorious as on Easter Sunday? Probably not. Your best bet is to purchase a printed copy = of the NY Times a few days before Thanksgiving and see who's advertising = their services.   My own church has a choral eucharist with a small choir comprised of volunteers and at least a quartet of professional singers. It is followed = by a huge dinner (in both gymnasiums) for our guests in the community who otherwise would not have a place to have dinner.   Second Church of Christ, Scientist, on Central Park West/68th Street, has = for many years now had an organ recital for the benefit of those watching the Macy's Parade (which starts very near that church). The organ is a remarkable IV/65 Pilcher from the 20s and the church is spectacular.   All the best,     Steve Lawson Associate, Church of the Heavenly Rest - NYC   --part1_89.20e77926.2b05e58a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">While Alan Freed hit the nail on the head about = Thanksgiving Services in NYC, perhaps I can add a few sentences.<BR> <BR> For the most part, churches in NYC do not hold services on Thanksgiving = Day.&nbsp; After all, this is a national and not religious holiday.&nbsp; = Professional and semi-professional choirs are hard to round up due to the = desire of choristers to be with their families.<BR> <BR> However, some churches do have services.&nbsp; Will they be as glorious as = on Easter Sunday?&nbsp; Probably not.&nbsp; Your best bet is to purchase a = printed copy of the NY Times a few days before Thanksgiving and see who's = advertising their services.<BR> <BR> My own church has a choral eucharist with a small choir comprised of = volunteers and at least a quartet of professional singers.&nbsp; It is = followed by a huge dinner (in both gymnasiums) for our guests in the = community who otherwise would not have a place to have dinner.<BR> <BR> Second Church of Christ, Scientist, on Central Park West/68th Street, has = for many years now had an organ recital for the benefit of those watching = the Macy's Parade (which starts very near that church).&nbsp; The organ is = a remarkable IV/65 Pilcher from the 20s and the church is spectacular.<BR> <BR> All the best,<BR> <BR> <BR> Steve Lawson<BR> Associate, Church of the Heavenly Rest - NYC</FONT></HTML>   --part1_89.20e77926.2b05e58a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Blackburn Cathedral From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 05:54:51 -0000   Hello,   I'm not really a fashion freak at all. I admire Blackburn for what it = is/was......an especially exciting instrument which, although "limited" = as an accompaniment instrument, still manages to show a clean pair of = heels to most contemporary instruments of the period. The problem at = Blackburn was always going to be one of available finance.....it is not = a visited or wealthy cathedral by and large. With only about 60 speaking = stops, this is a modest instrument in a huge acoustic. I admire it most = as a recital/repertoire instrument. I hope the changes to the organ turn = out to be a success, but I have my doubts.   There is much to admire at Eton (Wm.Hill) and at St.Mary, Redcliffe = (Harrison & Harrison) and possibly even more to admire at St.George's = Chapel, Windsor Castle, but one would never try to compare a modern = Ferrari to, say, a vintage Bugatti.......different entirely.   One cannot escape the fact that, in that one organ at Blackburn, a whole = generation were gripped by a new and exciting instrument which did = something different. In a way, it was the start of a new style of UK = organ which, ever since, has been imitated to some degree or other.   Yes, it is indeed sad that the original Cavaille-Coll could not have = been preserved; but the instrument, like that at Manchester Town Hall, = had been so hacked about and "improved" over the years, it was nothing = like a Cavaille-Coll. If it is any consolation, Denys Thurlow once told = me of his feelings when he melted those pure tin pipes down for the new = organ....."distressed" is not quite strong enough.   Denys Thurlow, if he were not a modest man, could lay claim to being one = of the greatest voicers of the 20th century; albeit in a style which may = now be less fashionable than it was. Only once in a generation or so are = we blessed with tonal genius, and Thurlow has it in abundance.   We would do well to respect the achievements of such people and respect = the instruments they created.......otherwise, we could end up melting = organs down every 40 years or so. Where then would be the Willis organs, = the Harrisons, the Lewis's, the Schulzes, the Schnitgers et al? = Blackburn is/ was in that class.....I hope it may remain so.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK                  
(back) Subject: Re: Proper execution of Widor Toccata from the 5th. From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:22:47 EST     --part1_fc.20d71f45.2b0608d7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   why don't we discuss some of widor's life or his other works???????   --part1_fc.20d71f45.2b0608d7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>why don't we discuss = some of widor's life or his other works???????</FONT></HTML>   --part1_fc.20d71f45.2b0608d7_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Proper execution of Widor Toccata from the 5th. From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:25:45 EST     --part1_e5.20c6dd32.2b060989_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Try to hear Daniel Roth play it.   --part1_e5.20c6dd32.2b060989_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Try to hear Daniel Roth = play it.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_e5.20c6dd32.2b060989_boundary--