PipeChat Digest #3231 - Friday, November 15, 2002
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #3229 - 11/14/02 Christmas carols
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re: Proper execution of Widor Toccata from the 5th.
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Proper execution of Widor Toccata from the 5th.
  by "Antoni Scott" <ascott@ptd.net>
IRC Reminder
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Thanksgiving Services in New York City
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Renaissance at St. John the Divine
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
I'll take Manhattan
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Thanksgiving
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3228 - 11/14/02 Chuckerbutty
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Ruffati
  by "Samuel Metzger" <samuel.metzger@christpreschurch.org>
Re:  Thanksgiving Services in New York City
  by "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com>
Re: Ruffati website
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com>
A Fun event tomorrow in Manhattan!
  by "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com>
Staying for the postlude - was: Widor Toccata
  by "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com>
Re: Staying for the postlude - was: Widor Toccata
  by "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com>
Bach Passacaglia & Fugue
  by "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com>
Re: Bach Passacaglia & Fugue
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Bach Passacaglia & Fugue
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Re: Renaissance at St. John the Divine
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Thanksgiving service followup
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Re: Renaissance at St. John the Divine
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Re: Thanksgiving service followup
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Bach Passacaglia & Fugue
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Re: Bach Passacaglia & Fugue
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Re: Bach Passacaglia & Fugue
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(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3229 - 11/14/02 Christmas carols From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:00:35 +0000     Had you thought of the David Willcocks Carols for Choirs 1 and 2? They = have a wide range of styles and standards - John Rutter's "born in a stable so bare" and "The Shepherd's pipe carol" are under rehearsal for Christmas by =   my Greek children's choir - as well as "how brightly shines the morning star" and Ding Dong Merrily on High. John Foss   www.johnfoss.gr         _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail    
(back) Subject: Re: Proper execution of Widor Toccata from the 5th. From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:56:59 -0600   At 11:59 PM -0500 11/14/2002, Antoni Scott wrote: > >Thank you for your commentary and recommendations. The score that I have >at my disposal is published by G. Schirmer, Inc. When I said EACH AND >EVERY note, I should have been more specific and indicated that it was >each and every note that is played with the right hand. The slur you are >referring to is in the left hand for the first eight bars, then the left >hand goes staccato when the pedal starts.   Tony   First of all I would not consider the G. Schimer version a definitive edition. As i tried to point out in my previous post - there were something like 5 different editions of the Toccata - Actually of the whole Fifth Symphonie published during Widor's lifetime. He kept making revisions over the course of his life. The Schirmer Edition is is reprint of probably one of those editions but most likely with some changes to get around copyright issues.   The slur I was referring to, again is you read my posting, is on the first TWO notes of the RIGHT HAND figurations. And I really can't see who a slur would work in the left hand since those are repeated chords that have to be detached in order for them to be heard and to keep the rythmic drive of the piece.   >I plead ignorance but I have never heard of the John Near edition nor >Dr. Becker and would rather believe that a definitive interpretation of >the Widor would come from someone like Marie-Claire Alain, Xavier >Darasse, Biggs or Fox.   I know you may not have heard of Dr. Arthur C. Becker but I only used that example as he did study with Widor and the score for the Symphonie that I have is the one that he used when he studied with Widor and has markings in it in Widor's hand.   If you are not familiar with the John Near Editions of the Widor Symphonies go take a look at A-R Editions - Recent Researches in the Music of the Nineteenth and Early Twentieth Centuries: http://www.areditions.com/rr/rrn.html   It is fine to listen to all sorts of various INTERPRETATIONS of a work to find the one that you like in order for you to come up with your own interpretation. Since we do have a recording by the composer and since there are a few of us around that have a DIRECT tradition via our teachers to the composer and also since there is a CRITICAL Edition of the Symphonie that is the route you should go to find how it should be played.   Do you try to listen to all the various recordings of the Bach Toccata and Fugue in d minor to find the definitive edition? I really doubt it. Yet this is what you are trying to do with the Widor except in the case of the Widor we do have a recording by the composer himself and also have the RESEARCH done by John Near into coming up with the definitive edition of the work. I would suggest that you get a copy of the Near Edition of the Widor Fifth Symphonie and do a comparison with your G. Schirmer Edition. I am sure that you will find numerous discrepancies!   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Proper execution of Widor Toccata from the 5th. From: "Antoni Scott" <ascott@ptd.net> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:04:54 -0500   I have the Roth version, on the St. Sulpice organ, too. The recording quality does not do the organ or the organist justice.       Antoni  
(back) Subject: IRC Reminder From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:04:08 -0600   Folks   I am posting this reminder again about the twice weekly IRC "live chats" held by PipeChat on Monday and Friday nights. I know that there were a couple of people that tried to connect on Monday night following my posting and did contact me about problems they were having with joining in. I hope that they will try again and if there are still problems that they email me at this - the Administration address - which I will be watching during the IRC chat. Either I or someone else from the group will be able to help you getting connected.   For Directions on how to connect, including a very step-by-step set-up for those people using mIRC on their PCs please check out the IRC page on the PipeChat site at: http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html   We begin at 9 PM EASTERN time and I hope that beside some of the "regulars" that we might see some new faces on chat.   Have a great day   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Thanksgiving Services in New York City From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:00:29 EST   Traditionally, First Presbyterian has had an ecumenical service with = several neighborhood churches on Thanksgiving EVE; I have not gotten notice = whether they will have one this year. It was cancelled after last year's attack, = so I don't know if it's on for this year.  
(back) Subject: Renaissance at St. John the Divine From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:28:18 -0500   Have you heard, or heard reports about how well (or otherwise) the Renaissance is doing at St. Johns?   Mac Hayes   PS I'm not sending this question to PipeChat, but you probably should post the answer there.   Alan replies:   I've only heard it once, from the north choir, back row center, facing the real console above the south choir. The Allen console, which is in the crossing, JUST west of the choir, was playing big. The loudspeakers must have been above me and above the south choir. It was amazingly good. I can't believe I didn't even KNOW that the real organ was out of = service--and I was fooled. Not for long. But for a minute or two. Not only did it = not sound like THE organ; it also didn't REALLY sound like ANY real organ. = That sounds pretty negative, but I have to counter it by adding that it was = VERY, very good. There was, somehow, an "electronic" sound to it--as it might = be if it was a real organ, in another building, but being played through an amplifier system and loudspeakers or something. The fact that it fooled = me even for a couple of minutes (and YET made me wonder "what AM I hearing?"--especially since I could SEE that there were no lights on at = the real console) speaks volumes. (It was wintertime Vespers, so the crossing was dark, explaining my not SEEing the Allen console until after the service.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: I'll take Manhattan From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:53:23 -0500   High on my list of things to do in Manhattan on Sunday would be St. Mary = the Virgin, 46th Street east of Broadway. I don't recall who is playing there now (Chris Babcock having been summarily and inappropriately dismissed by the new rector, whereupon the new rector was pilloried by the NYC AGO!). Terrific Harrison Skinner, restored over the last few years, in a terific accoustic! -- David G. Baker    
(back) Subject: Thanksgiving From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:59:48 -0500   I'm reasonably certain that St. Thomas, Fifth Avenue, has a choral = eucharist on Thanksgiving Day. Why not send an email inquiry to   administration@saintthomaschurch.org   The website (www.saintthomaschurch.org) doesn't say. -- David G. Baker    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3228 - 11/14/02 Chuckerbutty From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:02:17 EST   In a message dated 11/14/02 11:25:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes:   << Oliphant Chuckerbutty was his real name, but he used Wilson Oliphant as = a pseudonym when playing the theatre organ. I guess he was a little = concerned that stuffy churchpeople would be upset at him playing in cinematograph halls. >>   The name Oliphant was so common that if people saw it, they WOULDN'T think = of him?  
(back) Subject: Ruffati From: "Samuel Metzger" <samuel.metzger@christpreschurch.org> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:06:45 -0500   All,   Does Ruffati have a website?   Thanks   SM     ~~~~~~~~   Samuel Metzger, Organist and Director of Music Christ Presbyterian Church & The Soli Deo Gloria School of Fine Arts   495 Terrell Mill Rd Marietta, GA 30068   770.956.7572 770.378.7443 cell   samuel.metzger@christpreschurch.org www.christpreschurch.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Services in New York City From: "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:09:10 -0800 (PST)   Hi, all--   Jane Hanudel is interested in Thanksgiving Day services in New York.   I can recommend a Community Interfaith service at Park Avenue Synagogue, which is paradoxically located on Madison Avenue and East 87th St. It's at 10:30 AM on Turkey Day and promises to be quite beautiful. Take the 4, 5, or 6 (any of the "green" trains) to 86th Street and walk two long crosstown blocks, or just hop a cab--they will probably be easy to snag on Thanksgiving.   Participating institutions include Brick Presbyterian, St. Ignatius Loyola, Park Avenue Christian, the Temple of Universal Judaism, and my own Epiphany. The service will obviously not be explicitly denominational.   I'm not playing this time around--I did the 9/11 community memorial service there with McNeil Robinson-- but you will probably either hear Keith Toth, Kent Tritle, McNeil himself (the organist of the Temple as well as Park Ave Xtian), or other well-known organists.   While the organ is digital, the sound system is nothing short of remarkable, and the sanctuary is gorgeous. I had a very good experience playing there in September. I can recommend this as a good, meaningful, beautifully planned service, and I hope Jane will consider attending.   All best wishes,   Jonathan Hall NYC  
(back) Subject: Re: Ruffati website From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:15:37 -0500   Yes http://www.ruffatti.com/       Samuel Metzger wrote: > > All, > > Does Ruffati have a website? >    
(back) Subject: A Fun event tomorrow in Manhattan! From: "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:33:15 -0800 (PST)   Me again...     Tomorrow at 6 PM (as usual, I am late announcing this to you all), the Church of the Epiphany will hold a real, honest-to-goodness Potluck Supper and Old-Fashioned Hymn Sing!   Yes, those years in Indiana left their mark on me!--but this was actually the suggestion of one of our associate clergy. Just bring a covered dish to share, or dessert, or perhaps a salad, and a hymn you'd like us to sing. Or, at least, you might make a small donation to help pay our sexton for the extra work!   A lot of the hymnody will be old-fashioned, to some tastes probably corny. If I have had one request for "in the garden" I've had ten! But if you love a sacred song of more recent vintage, we can certainly put that one in the hopper, too!   It might help if you'd RSVP me, but if you don't, show up at 6 tomorrow with a three-bean salad (for example); a hymn; or a few bucks--and have some fun!   We're at East 74th Street and York Avenue, *east* of First Avenue. Directions can be found on our website, www.epiphanynyc.org. Hope a few of you might make it!   Best   Jon    
(back) Subject: Staying for the postlude - was: Widor Toccata From: "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:46:06 -0800 (PST)   Another place where people stay (or stayed - I haven't played there in = several years) is St. Paul's Episcopal in Sacramento, CA. Everyone remained in their seats, and = applauded when I finished (Gm P&F from the 8 little by Bach). Quite different from my = current congregation, where the crowd noise gets so loud I can't even hear the organ (partially due to = the speaker placement).   David Carter in semi-sunny Sacramento, where they're projecting that the state budget = gap (between fantasy and reality) is going to be even wider next year.   --- "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> wrote: > Gregory writes: > > > today i improvised on a hymn using full organ--still-they left. > > They were obviously leaving the church to make room for the organ to = fill it > ;-)   Paul continues... > I doubt that getting people to stay and listen quietly to a postlude is = a > battle at all worth fighting; in fact I doubt that it is liturgically > defensible to insist upon it. The blessing and dismissal have already = been > given, right? The only church I've ever attended where most people sit > through the postlude, and even those who don't stay will leave quietly, = is > S. Clement's, Philadelphia, which is a *weird* place (although weird in = what > I think is a wonderful way-- I'm a parishioner, what can I say?)     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Staying for the postlude - was: Widor Toccata From: "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:55:18 -0800 (PST)   An addendum to my post - I did not mean to imply that I was organist at = St. Paul's, I was subbing for the then-organist, David Robbins of Elk Grove, CA.   --- David Carter <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com> wrote: > Another place where people stay (or stayed - I haven't played there in = several years) is St. > Paul's Episcopal in Sacramento, CA. Everyone remained in their seats, = and applauded when I > finished (Gm P&F from the 8 little by Bach). Quite different from my = current congregation, where > the crowd noise gets so loud I can't even hear the organ (partially due = to the speaker > placement). > > David Carter > in semi-sunny Sacramento, where they're projecting that the state budget = gap (between fantasy > and > reality) is going to be even wider next year. > > --- "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> wrote: > > Gregory writes: > > > > > today i improvised on a hymn using full organ--still-they left. > > > > They were obviously leaving the church to make room for the organ to = fill it > > ;-) > > Paul continues... > > I doubt that getting people to stay and listen quietly to a postlude = is a > > battle at all worth fighting; in fact I doubt that it is liturgically > > defensible to insist upon it. The blessing and dismissal have already = been > > given, right? The only church I've ever attended where most people = sit > > through the postlude, and even those who don't stay will leave = quietly, is > > S. Clement's, Philadelphia, which is a *weird* place (although weird = in what > > I think is a wonderful way-- I'm a parishioner, what can I say?) > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Bach Passacaglia & Fugue From: "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:01:12 -0800 (PST)   I have noticed that, in many of the recital/concert programs I've notice = on Pipechat & Piporg, people are playing just the Passacaglia, w/o the fugue. Personally, I = enjoy the fugue just as much as the Passacaglia. Can someone enlighten me ( and anyone else who may be = interested) why folks are leaving out the fugue (besides perhaps length)?   David Carter   __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Passacaglia & Fugue From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:42:02 -0600   At 10:01 AM -0800 11/15/2002, David Carter wrote: >I have noticed that, in many of the recital/concert programs I've >notice on Pipechat & Piporg, >people are playing just the Passacaglia, w/o the fugue. Personally, >I enjoy the fugue just as much >as the Passacaglia. Can someone enlighten me ( and anyone else who >may be interested) why folks >are leaving out the fugue (besides perhaps length)?   David   In some cases where only the Passacaglia is listed in the program the performer does include the Fugue. At least I have noticed that in concerts I have been to that have the work programmed as part of them. The Fugue is actually the last variation - #23 or is it #22 (?) - of the whole work. I think this might be why it isn't listed in some programs.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Passacaglia & Fugue From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:01:55 EST     --part1_172.11a4ee7a.2b06acb3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/15/02 2:05:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, davidorganist2002@yahoo.com writes:     > Can someone enlighten me ( and anyone else who may be interested) why = folks > are leaving out the fugue (besides perhaps length)? >   I think the reason might be that it's considerably more difficult than the =   passacaglia and, like the Widor Toccata, is the crowd-friendly part of the =   piece. It may be considered that it's not worth the effort of keeping it =   unde the fingers and toes! ;-)     Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 check out <A = HREF=3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">Vision Success </A>       --part1_172.11a4ee7a.2b06acb3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/15/02 2:05:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, davidorganist2002@yahoo.com = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Can someone = enlighten me ( and anyone else who may be interested) why folks <BR>are leaving out the fugue (besides perhaps length)? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I think the reason might be that it's considerably more difficult than = the passacaglia and, like the Widor Toccata, is the crowd-friendly part of = the piece. &nbsp;&nbsp;It may be considered that it's not worth the effort = of keeping it unde the fingers and toes! ;-) <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;check out &nbsp;&nbsp;<A = HREF=3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">Vision Success </A> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_172.11a4ee7a.2b06acb3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Renaissance at St. John the Divine From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:10:07 EST   For the first few minutes, almost ANYTHING sounds good in a limestone room of sixteen million cubic feet. I once tripped in there and cracked my =   skull on one of the steps. Somebody remarked at how resonant my injury sounded.  
(back) Subject: Thanksgiving service followup From: "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:15:07 -0800 (PST)   To those interested in NYC Thanksgiving services--   I should add, that, regardless of my quick remark that taxis will be abundant, and Alan Freed's question:   >Jane: Why on earth would you come when everything is closed, and nothing happening?   --there will of course be the Macy's Parade in NYC that day, and the town will be quite active, exciting and full of people. Why not go to the service on 87th and Madison, and I suggested, and then watch some of the famous parade, and watch the city put on its Christmas look?   (Alan! I have an excuse--I've been living in the Midwest--how did YOU forget this parade?? It IS on this year, isn't it?) :)   J  
(back) Subject: Re: Renaissance at St. John the Divine From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:41:59 -0800 (PST)   I had the same experience in London .... in the subway (not the underground). I thought I heard a really fine pipe organ. It turned out to be about 3 people blowing kazoos and flutes several hundred feet away.   __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Thanksgiving service followup From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:49:41 -0500   On 11/15/02 3:15 PM, "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> = wrote:   > (Alan! I have an excuse--I've been living in the Midwest--how did YOU > forget this parade?? It IS on this year, isn't it?) :) > For the love of Mike! How DID that happen?   Examining my soul, I think the answer must be that I avoid it like the plague. In recent years, I've been taking an East Side train down to midtown and then headed right out to Queens for the day, thus quite deliberately being utterly unaware of the parade.   (My usual routes from home to midtown and back take me right THROUGH it, focusing on Broadway, Times Square, and Columbus Circle--so my = Thanksgiving route(s) are very deliberately ELSEwhere!)   Good question!   Alan, pretty sure that it IS still on for this year    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Passacaglia & Fugue From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:24:02 EST     --part1_2d.269a63e8.2b06dc12_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I have seen many organist perform the Passacaglia and Fugue but have it listed in the program as just Pasacaglia. The last person I saw do that = was James Lancelot of Durham Cathedral. Now lets have a debate about how one should register baroque chaconnes and passacaglias. hahahahah...I'm such = an instigator. Did you know that Pasacaglia comes from the Spanish words = Pasar en Calle? It means "to walk the street." Pretty interesting--- and worth considering in the performance of ground-bass pieces. Gregory   --part1_2d.269a63e8.2b06dc12_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have seen many = organist perform the Passacaglia and Fugue but have it listed in the = program as just Pasacaglia. &nbsp;The last person I saw do that was James = Lancelot of Durham Cathedral. &nbsp;Now lets have a debate about how one = should register baroque chaconnes and passacaglias. &nbsp;hahahahah...I'm = such an instigator. &nbsp;Did you know that Pasacaglia comes from the = Spanish words Pasar en Calle? It means "to walk the street." &nbsp;Pretty = interesting--- and worth considering in the performance of ground-bass = pieces. <BR>Gregory</FONT></HTML>   --part1_2d.269a63e8.2b06dc12_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Passacaglia & Fugue From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:42:03 -0500   I think they might actually be playing both the passacaglia and fugue in = most of these cases and just calling it the passacaglia, which may be a = very old-fashioned terminology, kind of like calling the Buxtehude = preludes that even tho they contain one or more fugues - OR - it may have = to do with the fact that the fugue subject is half of the passacaglia = theme, and so my guess is it is a bit of affectation. am i way off base?   i mean, come on, if you can learn the passacaglia you can learn the fugue, = and to my mind to stop in the middle is like reading half of a Poe story = and say you are going to finish it next time.   Merry   In a message dated 11/15/2002 1:01:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, = davidorganist2002@yahoo.com writes:   > > > I have noticed that, in many of the recital/concert programs I've notice = on Pipechat & Piporg, > people are playing just the Passacaglia, w/o the fugue. Personally, I = enjoy the fugue just as much > as the Passacaglia. Can someone enlighten me ( and anyone > else who may be interested) why folks > are leaving out the fugue (besides perhaps length)? > > David Carter > > __________________________________________________  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Passacaglia & Fugue From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:00:33 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3120231633_2542041 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 11/15/02 6:24 PM, "Gfc234@aol.com" <Gfc234@aol.com> wrote:   > Did you know that Pasacaglia comes from the Spanish words Pasar en = Calle?=3D It > means "to walk the street." Pretty interesting   Gregory: You keep writing. I had no idea of that. Probably everyone = else knew it, but I appreciate your note on that!   Alan Freed Saint Luke=3DB9s (ELCA), Manhattan   --B_3120231633_2542041 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Bach Passacaglia &amp; Fugue</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 11/15/02 6:24 PM, = &quot;Gfc234@aol.com&quot=3D ; &lt;Gfc234@aol.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">Did you know that = Pasacagli=3D a comes from the Spanish words Pasar en Calle? It means &quot;to walk the = st=3D reet.&quot; &nbsp;Pretty interesting<BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Gregory: &nbsp;You keep writing. &nbsp;I had no idea of that. = &nbsp;Probabl=3D y everyone else knew it, but I appreciate your note on that!<BR> <BR> Alan Freed<BR> Saint Luke&#8217;s (ELCA), Manhattan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3120231633_2542041--