PipeChat Digest #3244 - Tuesday, November 19, 2002
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #3242 - 11/19/02
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Fanfares - (was Brief Postludes)
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Re: Recital Programmes
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: Recital Programmes
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Of Biggs, Bach and Blockwerk(longish)
  by "Steve Chandler" <stevec@open-tech.com>
Re: Adventures with Felix Hell Part 1 (long and x posted)
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Recital Programmes
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: "M" Style playing
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Adventures with Felix Hell Part 1 (long and x posted)
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
ROBERT J. JONES, DMA, FAGO
  by "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
Upcoming Handel's MESSIAH Performances (X-Posted)
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: Of Biggs, Bach and Blockwerk(longish)
  by "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3242 - 11/19/02 From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:02:54 +0000   Recital programmes I mentioned Bob Griffiths at St John's Holland Road as being one of the three really memorable recitals I have been to - it was a combination of = the programme, the organ, the building and the recitalist. The programme was Choral No 1 Franck Choral No 3 Franck L'Ascension Messiaen Choral No 2 franck It didn't look that good on paper - but in the flesh it was something = else. Changing the order of the Chorals to end with the B minor, which has a totally dreamlike pianissimo conclusion, was a stroke of genius. I'll try and think up my own "dream programme" - but it does require care! John Foss   www.johnfoss.gr         _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/featuredemail    
(back) Subject: Fanfares - (was Brief Postludes) From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:55:59 -0000   Paul et al,   It is still available - I picked up a print fresh copy (entitled Fanfares and Processionals for Organ) in Banks' this morning.   Bruce Miles   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:04 PM Subject: RE: brief postludes     > Knew I'd forget something. Here two additions to a list of recommended > postludes, both from a little book of fanfares published by Novello in = the > 1960s. If this collection is now unavailable, it's a pity. > > Wills, Arthur: Fanfare. It's barely two minutes long as written, maybe > less; but I've found an natural place about 2/3 of the way through to repeat > from the beginning (perhaps on a reduced registration) and it sounds = right > to me that way. Wills is an unabashed Francophile. The style of this piece > combines a Langlaisian harmonic boldness and color with English = ceremonial > dignity. It makes quite a vivid splash in a short period of time. > > Hewitt-Jones, Tony: Fanfare This, too, is brief, and sparer in texture. It > would make fine use of a large, dramatic reed to play, for the most = part, > only a single note at a time in arpeggiated declamations; and even = better if > this reed were in an antiphonal position from the rest of the organ, because > part of its excitement is the increasing rapidity with which its motives are > tossed back and forth. But it could also work on a small two-manual with no > reeds at all. This is a rather unusual little piece by a composer whose > earthy, laconic directness reminds me of Orff, but IMHO a winner. >    
(back) Subject: Re: Recital Programmes From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:16:44 -0600   Glenda and all:   How about one of the Dupre Antiphons "I am black but comely"....I think is the worded title?   Jon Bertschinger  
(back) Subject: Re: Recital Programmes From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:58:51 EST     --part1_7a.312b5edc.2b0bb9bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   o ye daughters of jerusalem--(the rest of the title)   how bout dupre's in dolce jubilo.   i am afraid that just one antiphon, especially the one you named is simply =   too easy to have on a recital alone. greg   --part1_7a.312b5edc.2b0bb9bb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>o ye daughters of = jerusalem--(the rest of the title) <BR> <BR>how bout dupre's in dolce jubilo. <BR> <BR>i am afraid that just one antiphon, especially the one you named is = simply too easy to have on a recital alone. <BR>greg</FONT></HTML>   --part1_7a.312b5edc.2b0bb9bb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Of Biggs, Bach and Blockwerk(longish) From: "Steve Chandler" <stevec@open-tech.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:58:20 -0600   Hi All,   I mostly lurk this list, but two messages in two days have really annoyed = me. Yesterday someone wrote that they hadn't ever heard the Widor Tocatta = and that most of the music of Widor, Vierne, etc. didn't appeal to them. = It struck me that the poster was revelling in their own ignorance, but I = was able to choose to ignore that and let them. Then Gregory responded to = I don't know who with this tome.   > He wrote: > > you wrote: > Do we really have to recreate what we think a Bach organ looked and > played like, reproducing what MAY have been in the specification? > Or do we take a more practical approach, and just enjoy interpretating > his work to the best of our own knowledge and technique? > I write: > If everyone were to play every thing to the best of our OWN knowldege = and > technique, there would be a whole lot more crappy recordings of Bach. = It's > like telling a child, "Oh, you don't have to go to your history = classes," or > "never mind studying the constitution." It is just irresponsible. Could = you > imagine ??? It is our job as organists to prolong the sublime work of = our > predecessors, especially Bach. <snip>   My response to this is that most of the recordings I've heard are fairly = well researched and I have no fear for the historical accuracy of Bach = performance in the future. The problem occurs when such historically = informed performance crowds out other possibilities. Have you noticed that = most orchestras don't play Bach anymore? Is it because they can't do HIP = (historically informed performance). I believe that's an incredible = disservice to the concert public and denies them Bach's wonderful music. = Frankly Bach's music is substantial enough to shine with a wide variety of = interpretations. Gregory I would have to assume that you believe Wendy = Carlo's Switched on Bach (of the 60s) was destructive, while I believe = that exactly the opposite was the case. As the biggest selling classical = record of all time (at the time and possibly still so) it introduced a = vast audience to Bach's music. I learned the Prelude from WTC Bk1 because = of that record. BTW, the same was true of Virgil Fox.   > Gregory wrote: > <snip> > > Overall, If we don't mind our manners, everone might just start to play = like > Cameron Carpenter, and the beauty and truth of Bach and all music will = be > distorted and diminished-He even had the nerve to add notes to the Bach = D > major... There is no excuse for mediocrity or playing something in a > masturbatory style that just makes you feel good, or uses loud reeds and = the > 32' bombarde constantly to please highly UNEDUCATED crowds. Just = because a > crowd likes something because they know nothing about the real thing = doesn't > mean its good. We have educate audiences about composers and proper > practices and approach the music of Bach with such reverence and awe as = if > God has written it. He sure did inspire it. > > History is important. It is our turn to prolong it. > Gregory >   My response is simple. Would you prefer Bach's music was forgotten in a = museum or continued to live in public view, perhaps somewhat changed by = current performance practice. You need to remember that historically = informed is not necessarily accurate. Just in the past day we've read = posts that debunked the toes only myth of Bach organ pedal performance and = another where a performer played the music staccato claiming to be = historically informed only to have the poster inform her that CPE Bach = wrote that his dad played legato whenever possible. I'm not saying that = HIP is a fraud, just that it can be misused.   Regarding Cameron Carpenter adding notes to the P&F in D, I don't know = about that. I do know that some performers add a brief cadenza to the end = of the Passacaglia at the tonic 6/4 cadence. Frankly I like that and wish = it was done more often.   Now here's a different perspective. I'm a composer and recently the Iowa = Composers Forum performed two of my pieces. Actually they had a member of = the piano faculty at Iowa State University learn the pieces and perform them. She played them quite differently from the way I envisioned them. Do = you think I was insulted and horrified by this? Quite the opposite, I was = thrilled by the way she brought something of herself to the work, she only = added to it. It was a wonderful moment for me.   So lighten up on the HIP crap. There's plenty of that to go around. I = would personally like to hear more creative Bach performances. It seems = we've all been scared into the museum and to my thinking that's = unfortunate.   Steve Chandler http://www.mp3.com/stevechandler aka Ettienne http://www.mp3.com/ettienne    
(back) Subject: Re: Adventures with Felix Hell Part 1 (long and x posted) From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:05:07 EST     --part1_168.174f8f3f.2b0bbb33_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I certainly wouldn't complain about a Beckerath-they are so nice! If it = is a temporary, when the Kimball is done, the Beckerath ought to be moved to = the other end of the church and a Soler concert should be played. Unless they =   are doing a perfect job on that Kimball and it is huge, I would keep the Beckerath!     --part1_168.174f8f3f.2b0bbb33_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I certainly wouldn't = complain about a Beckerath-they are so nice! &nbsp;If it is a temporary, = when the Kimball is done, the Beckerath ought to be moved to the other end = of the church and a Soler concert should be played. &nbsp;Unless they are = doing a perfect job on that Kimball and it is huge, I would keep the = Beckerath! <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_168.174f8f3f.2b0bbb33_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Recital Programmes From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:06:31 EST     --part1_104.1fdc8693.2b0bbb87_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Widor wrote a Meditation-I think its from the first or second symphony--so =   pretty. d. roth playes it.   --part1_104.1fdc8693.2b0bbb87_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Widor wrote a = Meditation-I think its from the first or second symphony--so pretty. = &nbsp;d. roth playes it.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_104.1fdc8693.2b0bbb87_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: "M" Style playing From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:10:30 EST     --part1_d2.212f2a99.2b0bbc76_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   sure you can. listen to peter hurford recordings or watch cameron carpenter. greg   --part1_d2.212f2a99.2b0bbc76_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>sure you can. <BR>listen to peter hurford recordings or watch cameron carpenter. <BR>greg</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d2.212f2a99.2b0bbc76_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Adventures with Felix Hell Part 1 (long and x posted) From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:15:25 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0BB1_01C28FBC.F57515B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Well, I am confused about this. I thought the Kimball was at the east =3D end, in or near the chancel, and that the Beckerath was on the west =3D gallery. I had never heard that the Kimball was behind the Beckerath. If = =3D that is the case, it seems strange indeed. One seriously doubts, =3D however, that anyone would consider a Beckerath instrument as temporary!   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Gfc234@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:05 AM Subject: Re: Adventures with Felix Hell Part 1 (long and x posted)     I certainly wouldn't complain about a Beckerath-they are so nice! If = =3D it is a temporary, when the Kimball is done, the Beckerath ought to be =3D moved to the other end of the church and a Soler concert should be =3D played. Unless they are doing a perfect job on that Kimball and it is =3D huge, I would keep the Beckerath! ------=3D_NextPart_000_0BB1_01C28FBC.F57515B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Well, I am confused about this. I =3D thought the=3D20 Kimball was at the east end, in or near the chancel, and that the =3D Beckerath was=3D20 on the west gallery. I had never heard that the Kimball was behind = the=3D20 Beckerath. If that is the case, it seems strange indeed. One seriously =3D doubts,=3D20 however, that anyone would consider a Beckerath instrument as=3D20 temporary!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Malcolm Wechsler</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>www.mander-organs.com</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DGfc234@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:Gfc234@aol.com">Gfc234@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 19, =3D 2002 11:05=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Adventures with = =3D Felix Hell=3D20 Part 1 (long and x posted)</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>I certainly = wouldn't =3D complain=3D20 about a Beckerath-they are so nice! &nbsp;If it is a temporary, when =3D the=3D20 Kimball is done, the Beckerath ought to be moved to the other end of =3D the=3D20 church and a Soler concert should be played. &nbsp;Unless they are =3D doing a=3D20 perfect job on that Kimball and it is huge, I would keep the =3D Beckerath!=3D20 </FONT></FONT><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D2></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0BB1_01C28FBC.F57515B0--      
(back) Subject: ROBERT J. JONES, DMA, FAGO From: "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:15:38 -0800 (PST)   It is my sad duty to inform all list members who might not have heard of the death of Robert J. Jones, DMA, FAGO.   Dr. Jones was for many years Professor of Organ at the University of Houston in Houston, Texas.   Dr. Jones died sometime before November 11 in Houston, Texas, and his obituary appeared in THE HOUSTON CHRONICLE.   When I have more exact details, I will post them to the lists.   D. Keith Morgan     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Upcoming Handel's MESSIAH Performances (X-Posted) From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:16:32 -0600   Ross & Lynda Wards on the Pipechat list wrote:   > I enjoy performances of "Messiah"   <snip>   > a choral society-style performance with 300-voice > choir, huge orchestra and organ with 32ft Open Wood, and soloists who = use > creamy flowing tone with no ornaments at all. When the chorus weighs in = and > flattens the hall with sheer volume of sound, I can go "WOW!!!!!!!!!!" = and > love it. And I feel no guilt.   In that case, I certainly wish you were closer to us then Australia!   Because I'd like to announce that the annual HANDEL'S MESSIAH Performance at The First Mennonite Church in Berne, IN, which this past September saw the completion of the "Magnum Opus" of "moi". This instrument will be used to accompany the performances both Saturday evening, December 7 at 7:30 PM and a second performance on Sunday, December 8 at 3:00 PM.   Having heard last year's performance with only about 60% of the organ resources that are now available, I can tell you that this will be nothing short of THRILLING and if at all possible, do make plans to attend. The Sanctuary seats 2,000 and it fills quickly, so come early!   Hope to see some of you there!   Faithfully, -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL    
(back) Subject: Re: Of Biggs, Bach and Blockwerk(longish) From: "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:16:11 -0800 (PST)   Personally, I enjoy hearing Bach in different formats. My favorites = include all of the various "Switched-On Back" recordings by Wendy Carlos. I'm always on the lookout = for different/eclectic recordings, such as Bach's music played on various percussion instruments = (I think it was called "Bach On Wood" or something like that). I have a Windham Hill release = called (I think) Bach Variations, with various Bach pieces served up in jazzy arrangements, = steel drums, and much more.   I like to think that JSB would have enjoyed these records, and the = creativity of the people who created them.   David Carter P.S. I also like Virgil's "Heavy Organ" recordings, and EPB's pedal = harpsichord ragtime album.     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com