PipeChat Digest #3246 - Tuesday, November 19, 2002
 
Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Kimball - 1st Congregational, Columbus, OH
  by "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
re: reveling in ignorance?
  by "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com>
Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Upcoming Handel's MESSIAH Performances (X-Posted)
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Columbus Beckerath (Was Adventures with . . . )
  by <MUSCUR@aol.com>
Not Reveling in Profanity
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Words
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: Words
  by "Andrew Caskie" <caskie@totalise.co.uk>
Re: Not Reveling in Profanity
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Rare Preformance in NYC this Sunday
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:03:09 -0600   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --Boundary_(ID_4D6yRcWotCP5FV7SqiaDqw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 11/17/02, Keith Zimmer wrote:   > I'd venture to head a little further down the pathway to destruction = by > suggesting that, if Bach were alive today and realized that he could = have=3D an > imitation (or fake) pipe organ in his own home on which to practice, I = th=3D ink > he'd be excited about it. He could compose until late at night using > headphones - so he wouldn't disturb anyone. I seriously question = whether > Bach, when faced with the cost differences between pipe organs and the > electronic imitations, would do without an organ at home rather than get = =3D the > imitation.   It=3DB9s quite possible that he did have such an instrument =3DAD what = else would you call a pedal harpsichord after all? And later on, multi-manual & full pedal reed organs were used in homes as practice instruments, essentially = a=3D s =3DB3fake=3DB2 pipe organs. It=3DB9s really not a new concept at all =3DAD = pipe organs are too expensive and take up too much space to be used as a practice = instrumen=3D t in most homes.   TTFN, Russ Greene   --Boundary_(ID_4D6yRcWotCP5FV7SqiaDqw) Content-type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Fox &amp; Biggs Interpretations</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica">On 11/17/02, Keith Zimmer wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Monaco"><TT> &nbsp;I'd venture to head a = little further down the pathway to destruction by suggesting that, if Bach = were alive today and realized that he could have an imitation (or fake) = pipe organ in his own home on which to practice, I think he'd be excited = about it. &nbsp;He could compose until late at night using headphones - so = he wouldn't disturb anyone. &nbsp;I seriously question whether Bach, when = faced with the cost differences between pipe organs and the electronic = imitations, would do without an organ at home rather than get the = imitation.<BR> </TT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><BR> It&#8217;s quite possible that he did have such an instrument &#8211; what = else would you call a pedal harpsichord after all? And later on, = multi-manual &amp; full pedal reed organs were used in homes as practice = instruments, essentially as &#8220;fake&#8221; pipe organs. It&#8217;s = really not a new concept at all &#8211; pipe organs are too expensive and = take up too much space to be used as a practice instrument in most = homes.<BR> <BR> TTFN,<BR> Russ Greene</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --Boundary_(ID_4D6yRcWotCP5FV7SqiaDqw)--  
(back) Subject: Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:13:37 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000E_01C28FDE.3C504380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   To fellow musicians, Is it possible that we can forgo bombastic, theatrical, baiting =3D language and concentrate on the how, where and method of the application = =3D of Bach music. I am more curious in how someone with limited musical =3D schooling can do a credible job in playing the music of Bach than the =3D frugality of congregations. My main reason for not pursuing music and an = =3D organists profession was the poor remuneration. That was and still is a = =3D forgone conclusion. As with Rock Stars, a few succeed. The rest languish = =3D in penuery. Paul ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Gfc234@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations     well - why don't you tell me about yourself since you're so smart? =3D what are your credentials? were you even an organ major in college? who = =3D did you study with? did you ever take an organ literature and history =3D class? do you ever listen to cd's and read liner notes? do you read =3D books about Bach or the baroque? I'm sure your reply will probably have = =3D me eating my words...=3D20 maybe you should get your butt into the practice room so that your =3D attitude might change!=3D20   "Organists wealthy? This guy's crap-o-meter is running on overdrive! = =3D Where did you get your information on Bach's musical instrument =3D inventory? Your facts are incorrect."=3D20 I don't know about you, but I know many organists in Chicago who are =3D living QUITE comfortably. Not everyone is stuck with a shitty cheap ass = =3D congregation you know. Some churches pay big money because they want =3D the best they can get! Also, lets not forget about university positions = =3D etc...The more degrees you get, the more you're worth!=3D20 greg=3D20 p.s.--i am just having fun, i hope you are too!=3D20 no hard feelings :)=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000E_01C28FDE.3C504380 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>To fellow musicians,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is it = possible =3D that we can=3D20 forgo bombastic, theatrical, baiting language and concentrate on the =3D how, where=3D20 and method of the application of Bach music. I am more curious in how =3D someone=3D20 with limited musical schooling can do a credible job in playing the =3D music of=3D20 Bach than the frugality of congregations. My main reason for not =3D pursuing music=3D20 and&nbsp;an organists profession was the poor remuneration. That was and = =3D still=3D20 is a forgone conclusion. As with Rock Stars, a few succeed. The rest =3D languish in=3D20 penuery.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= =3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&= =3D nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Paul</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DGfc234@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:Gfc234@aol.com">Gfc234@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 19, =3D 2002 2:11=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fox &amp; = Biggs=3D20 Interpretations</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>well - = why =3D don't you=3D20 tell me about yourself since you're so smart? what are your =3D credentials? were=3D20 you even an organ major in college? &nbsp;who did you study with? =3D &nbsp;did=3D20 you ever take an organ literature and history class? &nbsp;do you ever = =3D listen=3D20 to cd's and read liner notes? &nbsp;do you read books about Bach or =3D the=3D20 baroque? &nbsp;I'm sure your reply will probably have me eating my =3D words...=3D20 <BR>maybe you should get your butt into the practice room so that your = =3D   attitude might change! <BR><BR>"Organists wealthy?&nbsp; This guy's=3D20 crap-o-meter is running on overdrive!&nbsp; Where did you get your =3D information=3D20 on Bach's musical instrument inventory?&nbsp; Your facts are =3D incorrect." <BR>I=3D20 don't know about you, but I know many organists in Chicago who are =3D living=3D20 QUITE comfortably. &nbsp;Not everyone is stuck with a shitty cheap ass = =3D   congregation you know. &nbsp;Some churches pay big money because they = =3D want the=3D20 best they can get! &nbsp;Also, lets not forget about university =3D positions=3D20 etc...The more degrees you get, the more you're worth! <BR>greg =3D <BR>p.s.--i am=3D20 just having fun, i hope you are too! <BR>no hard feelings :)</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000E_01C28FDE.3C504380--    
(back) Subject: Kimball - 1st Congregational, Columbus, OH From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:32:32 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0038_01C28FD8.7EB38F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   This organ, KImball, #7066, installed in 1931 most definitely =3D resides in the chancel area. The pipe work is chambered on the West =3D side of the Chancel opposite the console. A five stop Echo is in a case = =3D on the West wall of the Gallery. with the 1971 von Beckerath. The =3D Kimball is one of the finest extant organs of that period with a =3D particularly fine Principal Chorus. I am sure the congregation has no =3D plans to dispose of either of the organs as both are fine instruments.   Sand Lawn   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0038_01C28FD8.7EB38F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This organ, = KImball, =3D #7066,=3D20 installed in 1931 most definitely resides in the chancel area.&nbsp; The = =3D pipe=3D20 work is chambered on the West side of the Chancel opposite the =3D console.&nbsp; A=3D20 five stop Echo is in a case on the West wall of the Gallery. with the =3D 1971 von=3D20 Beckerath.&nbsp; The Kimball is one of the finest extant organs of that = =3D period=3D20 with a particularly fine Principal Chorus.&nbsp; I am sure the =3D congregation has=3D20 no plans to dispose of either of the organs as both are fine=3D20 instruments.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Sand Lawn</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0038_01C28FD8.7EB38F80--    
(back) Subject: re: reveling in ignorance? From: "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:09:35 -0800 (PST)   I haven't followed this thread, but I must say I'd prefer to be a Revel without a Cause!   :)   J  
(back) Subject: Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:28:00 EST     --part1_24.2fb2c9b0.2b0c06e0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/19/2002 3:17:55 PM Central Standard Time, rggreene2@shaw.ca writes:     > He could compose until late at night using headphones - so he wouldn't > disturb anyone.   I really don't think he was too concerned with disturbing anyone late at night, especially considering that he had 20 kids!     --part1_24.2fb2c9b0.2b0c06e0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/19/2002 3:17:55 PM Central Standard Time, rggreene2@shaw.ca writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">He could compose = until late at night using headphones - so he wouldn't disturb anyone. = &nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>I really don't think he was too concerned with disturbing anyone late = at night, especially considering that he had 20 kids! <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_24.2fb2c9b0.2b0c06e0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:39:01 EST     --part1_6b.26b4dec.2b0c0975_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/19/2002 3:17:55 PM Central Standard Time, rggreene2@shaw.ca writes:     > I'd venture to head a little further down the pathway to destruction by > suggesting that, if Bach were alive today and realized that he could = have > .     It is time for you all to stop creating these absurd and fantastic situations. How bout this, what if we went back then? I bet half of us = or more would choose to stay! I probably would!   greg     --part1_6b.26b4dec.2b0c0975_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/19/2002 3:17:55 PM Central Standard Time, rggreene2@shaw.ca writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'd venture to = head a little further down the pathway to destruction by suggesting that, = if Bach were alive today and realized that he could have an imitation (or = fake) pipe organ in his own home on which to = practice</BLOCKQUOTE>.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR> <BR>It is time for you all to stop creating these absurd and fantastic = situations. &nbsp;How bout this, what if we went back then? &nbsp;I bet = half of us or more would choose to stay! &nbsp;I probably would! <BR> <BR>greg <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_6b.26b4dec.2b0c0975_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:44:59 EST     --part1_89.211b1006.2b0c0adb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/19/2002 3:19:34 PM Central Standard Time, chercapa@enter.net writes:     > . I am more curious in how someone with limited musical schooling can do = a > credible job in playing the music of Bach than the frugality of >   Read books, magazines, take a lesson with a college organ professor, buy = cd's AND READ the liner notes, watch scores as you listen to cd's and pick out what you like and dislike about recordings, take a music theory class and analyze the music you play, go to concerts, meet other organists who are professional.   --part1_89.211b1006.2b0c0adb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/19/2002 3:19:34 PM Central Standard Time, chercapa@enter.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">. I am more = curious in how someone with limited musical schooling can do a credible = job in playing the music of Bach than the frugality of = congregations</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Read books, magazines, take a lesson with a college organ professor, = buy cd's AND READ the liner notes, watch scores as you listen to cd's and = pick out what you like and dislike about recordings, take a music theory = class and analyze the music you play, go to concerts, meet other organists = who are professional.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_89.211b1006.2b0c0adb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Upcoming Handel's MESSIAH Performances (X-Posted) From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:00:19 -0500   On 11/19/02 3:25 PM, "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote:   > That stupid and cruel crack about NZers and sheep should be done away = with, > once and for all. When a sick joke is repeated ad nauseam, it ceases to = have > any humour in it. Yes, it does make me annoyed. > Ross   Ross, my paternal grandfather was a sheepherder in southeastern Montana = from about 1896 or earlier to about 1912 (when he went south--eventually to Patagonia to raise llamas). It's an honorable profession. Depreciative remarks made about that calling reflect something other than the ignorance of the shepherd or the economy of New Zealand. Sweat it not.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Columbus Beckerath (Was Adventures with . . . ) From: <MUSCUR@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:39:07 EST     --part1_12e.1b84967b.2b0c178b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   While employed as resident organist at the Ohio Theatre in Columbus I was invited to perform a recital utilizing both the Beckerath and Kimball. = Most memorable, I think, was a duet dueling organ performance of the Dickinson transcription of RIDE OF THE VALKYRIES with Dr. William Haller at the Beckerath and me down at the Kimball. The distance between the consoles = was so great we had to use a TV monitor system at each console to coordinate = the playing for by listening alone the organs were terribly out of synch. It call came together beautifully with, as one listener put it, visions of Valkyries whooshing through the air in the sanctuary. It was all caught = on quad tape that I hope to issue some day!   Dennis James musica curiosa     --part1_12e.1b84967b.2b0c178b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#3dffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">While employed as = resident organist at the Ohio Theatre in Columbus I was invited to perform = a recital utilizing both the Beckerath and Kimball.&nbsp; Most memorable, = I think, was a duet dueling organ performance of the Dickinson = transcription of RIDE OF THE VALKYRIES with Dr. William Haller at the = Beckerath and me down at the Kimball.&nbsp; The distance between the = consoles was so great we had to use a TV monitor system at each console to = coordinate the playing for by listening alone the organs were terribly out = of synch.&nbsp; It call came together beautifully with, as one listener = put it, visions of Valkyries whooshing through the air in the = sanctuary.&nbsp; It was all caught on quad tape that I hope to&nbsp; issue = some day!<BR> <BR> Dennis James<BR> musica curiosa<BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_12e.1b84967b.2b0c178b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Not Reveling in Profanity From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:42:36 EST   As this is a list composed mainly of church musicians, and is also = part of the PUBLIC RECORD, and an archive of the behavior of organists, can we = try to hold off on the profanity? The organist's image struggle is arduous = enough. We all have our lapses, but it's getting to be a bit much, and = remember, you never know WHO is reading your posts. Your clergyman or grandma might be a "lurker."  
(back) Subject: Words From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:50:45 EST     --part1_118.1af303e9.2b0c1a45_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   My last pipechat digest was all jumbled up, so I couldn't tell where the messages started, ended, or who was writing them - especially with all the =   repeated messages that follow each message, at least in the digest I = receive. I did see a few things that bothered me.   Please don't take this as being judgemental, but, when I hear any organist = of any denomination speak of a position as being "shitty", or a congregation = as consisting of "dumb asses", "cheap asses", because (1) they talk during = his preludes, (2) leave during his postludes, (3) receive more blessing from = some untrained person giving a musical offering in song while strumming a = guitar than from the overtrained organist, etc. it makes me think that that organist should be playing the organ for a nightclub. How can one (regardless of one's ability or skill at one's instrument) who has that = kind of attitude toward his congregation and toward others who try to use their =   lesser talents for God be able to bring much of spiritual value to a = worship service.   Maybe that's why God delights more in simple people giving what they have with the right attitude than He does in others giving out of their = abundance with the wrong attitude. There are a few people in my church I can't = stand to hear sing, but they do bless some. Perhaps God looks at them as he did =   the widow giving her tiny bit of money to the church. Maybe he looks at = some of us as he did the pharasees who loudly and proudly poured their coins = into the bin.   I'll shut up before I get on a roll. Maybe my point will be understood.   Keith   --part1_118.1af303e9.2b0c1a45_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>My last pipechat digest = was all jumbled up, so I couldn't tell where the messages started, ended, = or who was writing them - especially with all the repeated messages that = follow each message, at least in the digest I receive. &nbsp;I did see a = few things that bothered me. <BR> <BR>Please don't take this as being judgemental, but, when I hear any = organist of any denomination speak of a position as being "shitty", or a = congregation as consisting of "dumb asses", "cheap asses", because (1) = they talk during his preludes, (2) leave during his postludes, (3) receive = more blessing from some untrained person giving a musical offering in song = while strumming a guitar than from the overtrained organist, etc. &nbsp;it = makes me think that that organist should be playing the organ for a = nightclub. &nbsp;How can one &nbsp;(regardless of one's ability or skill = at one's instrument) who has that kind of attitude toward his congregation = and toward others who try to use their lesser talents for God be able to = bring much of spiritual value to a worship service. <BR> <BR>Maybe that's why God delights more in simple people giving what they = have with the right attitude than He does in others giving out of their = abundance with the wrong attitude. &nbsp;There are a few people in my = church I can't stand to hear sing, but they do bless some. &nbsp;Perhaps = God looks at them as he did the widow giving her tiny bit of money to the = church. &nbsp;Maybe he looks at some of us as he did the pharasees who = loudly and proudly poured their coins into the bin. <BR> <BR>I'll shut up before I get on a roll. &nbsp;Maybe my point will be = understood. <BR> <BR>Keith</FONT></HTML>   --part1_118.1af303e9.2b0c1a45_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Words From: "Andrew Caskie" <caskie@totalise.co.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:57:11 -0000   Please don't shut up - you couldn't have said it better! It's good to know there are some folk on the list with their heads screwed on.   Thanks and blessings,   Andy Caskie   On 19 Nov 2002 at 17:50, Kzimmer0817@aol.com wrote:   My last pipechat digest was all jumbled up, so I couldn't tell where the messages started, ended, or who was writing them - especially with all the repeated messages that follow each message, at least in the digest I receive. I did see a few things that bothered me.   Please don't take this as being judgemental, but, when I hear any organist of any denomination speak of a position as being "shitty", or a congregation as consisting of "dumb asses", "cheap asses", because (1) they talk during his preludes, (2) leave during his postludes, (3) receive more blessing from some untrained person giving a musical offering in song while strumming a guitar than from the overtrained organist, etc. it makes me think that that organist should be playing the organ for a nightclub. How can one (regardless of one's ability or skill at one's instrument) who has that kind of attitude toward his congregation and toward others who try to use their lesser talents for God be able to bring much of spiritual value to a worship service.   Maybe that's why God delights more in simple people giving what they have with the right attitude than He does in others giving out of their abundance with the wrong attitude. There are a few people in my church I can't stand to hear sing, but they do bless some. Perhaps God looks at them as he did the widow giving her tiny bit of money to the church. Maybe he looks at some of us as he did the pharasees who loudly and proudly poured their coins into the bin.   I'll shut up before I get on a roll. Maybe my point will be understood.   Keith  
(back) Subject: Re: Not Reveling in Profanity From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:02:07 EST     --part1_3c.27cc3afb.2b0c1cef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   all too true.   --part1_3c.27cc3afb.2b0c1cef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>all too = true.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3c.27cc3afb.2b0c1cef_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Rare Preformance in NYC this Sunday From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:05:55 EST   Congregation Emanu-El of the City of New York and The Kenneth and Mary Edlow Music Fund   present   JUDAS MACCABAEUS   music by George Frideric Handel libretto by Rev. Thomas Morrell, D. D.   Sunday Afternoon 24 November 2002 at 4:00   The Soloists and Choir of Temple Emanu-El Hunter Tillman, Conductor Betty Baisch, Choral Director K. Scott Warren at the Sanctuary organ   The story, taken from the First Book of Maccabees and other historical =   sources, opens with the Israelites mourning the death of their leader, Mattathias (wouldn't that be a great middle name?) who was the father of Simon and Judah. In Act Two, the Israelites celebrate victories over Apollonius and Seron by Judah, their new leader. Judah again prepares his army for battle, this time against Antiochus, and in Act Three, all praise =   his bravery. This is a rare opportunity to hear this work live. Try to arrive early and sit toward the front (absorbent acoustic), and = a bit toward the right side, since most of what will be used will be the pipework in the North Triforium Choir Division, rather than the full high-pressure fury of all 135 ranks. The ensemble, and therefore the organ =   accompaniment, will be appropriately small for the period.   DIRECTIONS:   The Temple Sanctuary is located at 65th Street and Fifth Avenue, across = from The Central Park. 4 and 5 trains to 59th Street and 6 train to 68th Street = on the Green Line, and N and R trains to Fifth Avenue on the Yellow Line. = Plenty of buses run along Fifth Avenue, and there is a 65th/66th Street crosstown =   bus. If anybody wants to see the console and portions of the six-story = organ chamber after the concert, please let me know ahead of time so I can try = to arrange it with Temple security and administration.