PipeChat Digest #3249 - Wednesday, November 20, 2002
 
Re: Sound Effect Question - signal horn
  by "John Mackey" <johnmackey@mindspring.com>
Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Sound Effect Question - signal horn
  by "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Sound Effect Question - signal horn
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Sound Effect Question - signal horn
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Recital Programmes
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Sound Effect Question - signal horn
  by "John Mackey" <johnmackey@mindspring.com>
Re: Sound Effect Question - signal horn
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Ah Rugby!!   formerly Re: NZ & Oz
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: Recital Programmes
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: Sound Effect Question - signal horn
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Marie Claire Alain
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Marie Claire Alain
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Sound Effect Question - signal horn -reply
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
DART CD Recorder 4.1
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
8-foot stop
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Another great find!
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
WWBD? (X-post)
  by "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Sound Effect Question - signal horn From: "John Mackey" <johnmackey@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:10:24 -0500       MUSCUR@aol.com wrote: > > My question is simply what electricity to run into it to see how it > sounds? > > The label says: > > Benjamin Electric Mfg. Co. / Chicago, USA > No 0367 > Industrial Signal > Res of Coils 300 > Voltage 125 60 > Current .20 > > Dennis James > Silent Film Concerts   Dennis, Standard house current 110-120V should be fine but, I would suggest using a "Dimmer" switch as well. It's just a simple rheostat which will allow you increase the power gradually. You can get one at any Home Depot or hardware store.   John   PS A dimmer switch will allow you to hear the entire dynamic range of this thing.  
(back) Subject: Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:02:27 -0600     --------------BA700475F0E8E7B1BDD55141 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hmmmm - let's see - no electricity, no phone, no cars, no antibiotics, no sanitation, questionable indoor plumbing, no central heat, no air conditioning, no refrigeration, food poisoning, Black Plague, the Spanish Inquisition, etc., etc., etc. I think I'll stay here.   This conversation is getting like the old blonde joke (with apologies to all blondes on the list): If you could have dinner with anyone, living or dead, who would you chose? The live one.   Margo   Gfc234@aol.com wrote:   > > It is time for you all to stop creating these absurd and fantastic > situations. How bout this, what if we went back then? I bet half of > us or more would choose to stay! I probably would! > > greg   --------------BA700475F0E8E7B1BDD55141 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Hmmmm - let's see - no electricity, no phone, no cars, no antibiotics, no sanitation, questionable indoor plumbing, no central heat, no air = conditioning, no refrigeration, food poisoning, Black Plague, the Spanish Inquisition, etc., etc., etc.&nbsp; I think I'll stay here. <p>This conversation is getting like the old blonde joke (with apologies to all blondes on the list):&nbsp; If you could have dinner with anyone, living or dead, who would you chose?&nbsp; The live one. <p>Margo <p>Gfc234@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE>&nbsp; <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D+0>It is = time for you all to stop creating these absurd and fantastic situations.&nbsp; How bout this, what if we went back then?&nbsp; I bet half of us or more would choose to stay!&nbsp; I probably would!</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D+0>greg</font></font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------BA700475F0E8E7B1BDD55141--    
(back) Subject: Re: Sound Effect Question - signal horn From: "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:59:02 -0500   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ----__JNP_000_3d54.2a75.237f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Dennis,   This device is set up to run on normal house electricity! Benjamin Electric Mfg. Co. / Chicago, USA No 0367 Industrial Signal Res of Coils 300 Voltage 125 60 Current .20   the voltage above (125 60) means 125 volts at 60 cycles. it draws 2/10ths of an amp ( about 200 watts). so, IF the brown cloth wiring is sufficiently intact, just put a normal 2 prong plug on it and plug it into the wall ! (ear protection may be necessary !!!;-)       Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY         On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:22:32 EST MUSCUR@aol.com writes: I've brought back from a recent Midwest tour what looks to be an interesting electrical sound effects device that I found in a junk shop. It is some sort of a metal signal horn that looks exactly like a larger version of a Wurlitzer Toy Counter ah-oo-gah auto horn. Same metal housing and resonator shape, painted black, with a driver at the base and brown cloth braided heavy guage wiring. Just about twice the size of the Wurli horn overall.   My question is simply what electricity to run into it to see how it sounds?   The label says:   Benjamin Electric Mfg. Co. / Chicago, USA No 0367 Industrial Signal Res of Coils 300 Voltage 125 60 Current .20   I hooked it up to 12 v D.C. from a series of two 6 v. lantern batteries in the shop and got it to quietly "grunt" a bit, so it seems to work. My guess is it will be pretty loud so I've got my ear plugs ready!   Dennis James Silent Film Concerts ----__JNP_000_3d54.2a75.237f Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3Dcontent-type = content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3DUS-ASCII> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>Dear Dennis,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>This device is set up to run on normal house electricity!</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Benjamin Electric Mfg. Co. / Chicago, = USA<=3D BR>No=3D20 0367<BR>Industrial Signal<BR>Res of Coils 300<BR>Voltage 125 = 60<BR>Current=3D =3D20 ..20</FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV>the voltage above (125 60) means 125 volts at 60 cycles.&nbsp; it =3D draws=3D20 2/10ths of an amp ( about 200 watts).&nbsp; so, IF the brown cloth wiring = =3D is=3D20 sufficiently intact, just put a normal 2 prong plug on it and plug it into = =3D the=3D20 wall !&nbsp; (ear protection may be necessary !!!;-)</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><BR>Douglas A. Campbell<BR>Skaneateles, NY<BR></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:22:32 EST <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:MUSCUR@aol.com">MUSCUR@aol.com</A> writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = =3D solid"> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial = size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">I've brought back from a recent Midwest tour what = =3D looks to=3D20 be an interesting electrical sound effects device that I found in a = junk=3D =3D20 shop.&nbsp; It is some sort of a metal signal horn that looks exactly = =3D like a=3D20 larger version of a Wurlitzer Toy Counter ah-oo-gah auto horn.&nbsp; = Same=3D =3D20 metal housing and resonator shape, painted black, with a driver at the = =3D base=3D20 and brown cloth braided heavy guage wiring.&nbsp; Just about twice the = =3D size of=3D20 the Wurli horn overall.<BR><BR>My question is simply what electricity to = =3D run=3D20 into it to see how it sounds?<BR><BR>The label says:<BR><BR>Benjamin =3D Electric=3D20 Mfg. Co. / Chicago, USA<BR>No 0367<BR>Industrial Signal<BR>Res of = Coils=3D20 300<BR>Voltage 125 60<BR>Current .20<BR><BR>I hooked it up to 12 v D.C. = =3D from a=3D20 series of two 6 v. lantern batteries in the shop and got it to quietly = "=3D grunt"=3D20 a bit, so it seems to work.&nbsp; My guess is it will be pretty loud so = I=3D 've=3D20 got my ear plugs ready!<BR><BR>Dennis James<BR>Silent Film = Concerts</FONT=3D >=3D20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ----__JNP_000_3d54.2a75.237f--     ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Sound Effect Question - signal horn From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:08:34 -0800   >It looks like it might need standard house current to operate > >MUSCUR@aol.com wrote: >> >> I've brought back from a recent Midwest tour what looks to be an >> interesting electrical sound effects device that I found in a junk >> shop. It is some sort of a metal signal horn that looks exactly like >> a larger version of a Wurlitzer Toy Counter ah-oo-gah auto horn. Same >> metal housing and resonator shape, painted black, with a driver at the >> base and brown cloth braided heavy guage wiring. Just about twice the > > size of the Wurli horn overall. >   That is your key Dennis: 125 VAC at 60 Hz drawing .20 amps.     > > Voltage 125 60 > > Current .20   It's the stuff available at your outlet! ;-) Better get earplugs first though!   John V  
(back) Subject: Re: Sound Effect Question - signal horn From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:16:40 -0800   >MUSCUR@aol.com wrote: >> >> My question is simply what electricity to run into it to see how it >> sounds? >> >> The label says: >> >> Benjamin Electric Mfg. Co. / Chicago, USA >> No 0367 >> Industrial Signal >> Res of Coils 300 >> Voltage 125 60 >> Current .20 >> >> Dennis James >> Silent Film Concerts > >Dennis, Standard house current 110-120V should be fine but, I would >suggest using a "Dimmer" switch as well. It's just a simple rheostat >which will allow you increase the power gradually. You can get one at >any >Home Depot or hardware store. > >John > >PS A dimmer switch will allow you to hear the entire dynamic range of   Must be my day for electrical items. A lamp dimmer is NOT a simple rheostat. Actually many items will not work correctly off one of those. A rheostat is a variable purely resistive load placed in series with the item being operated. works on AC as well as DC. A dimmer uses an internal chip that allows only part of the AC sine wave to conduct depending on its setting. Current is actually turned on and off twice during the AC cycle (pos and neg). That's why they sometimes generate electrical interference and some items act down right funky when run off them. An incandescent bulb does not care as it only displays the average power consumed, but anything dependent on the AC sine wave will, i.e. a fluoresecent light fixture.   John V  
(back) Subject: Re: Recital Programmes From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:33:57 -0600   I heartily agree with this. There seems to be a tendency in this area to make concerts longer and longer. As much as I love classical music concerts, it has become a major part of my decision to attend a concert. = No matter how good the program is, starting at 8 and lasting until 11, still facing a drive home and work the next day, is just too much. And I notice that at many of the concerts, up in the cheap seats where I sit at least, = a significant portion of the audience does not return after intermission.   We have a concert series at my church which consists of 30-45 minute programs followed by a meal, and one of the comments often made by = attendees is that it is "just the right length." Next year, we are going to move them to the evening instead of lunch hour and move them up to an hour - = but no longer.   Margo   Glenda wrote:   > > I believe a program should always start with a strong piece of not > longer than 5 minutes. It should end pretty much the same way. It > shouldn't last more than 60 minutes without intermission, or 90 minutes > with an intermission, if lay people will be in the audience. No matter > how enraptured, some of us grow stiff and lame if sitting too long.    
(back) Subject: Re: Sound Effect Question - signal horn From: "John Mackey" <johnmackey@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:36:50 -0500       John Vanderlee wrote: > > Must be my day for electrical items. A lamp dimmer is NOT a simple > rheostat. Actually many items will not work correctly off one of > those. > > John V True, but won't the item in question work with a dimmer? Since it worked on only 12v's, I thought that it would probably run on anything in between.   I'm certainly no expert, just curious.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Sound Effect Question - signal horn From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:18:34 -0800   >John Vanderlee wrote: >> > >> Must be my day for electrical items. A lamp dimmer is NOT a simple >> rheostat. Actually many items will not work correctly off one of >> those. > >> >> John V > >True, but won't the item in question work with a dimmer? Since it >worked >on only 12v's, I thought that it would probably run on anything in >between. > >I'm certainly no expert, just curious.   Well, it might,as I don't know the internals of the device. what is actually used to generate the noise? If it is just a simple coil it might work OK. Then again why worry. A dimmer is only what? $4.99? and if it does not work then use it on a light in your house that you've been meaning to dim.   John V  
(back) Subject: Ah Rugby!! formerly Re: NZ & Oz From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:47:53 -0600   Hey guyz....do they have organs at Rugby meets...like they do for American baseball and basketball? Otherwise...how does this have anything to do with "pipechat"? LOL   I do enjoy a good tuff game. Nothing like blood and guts out on the field, but...I'd rather know more about the organs and pipe scales and windpressures on this list.   LOL   Just a thought?     Jon  
(back) Subject: Re: Recital Programmes From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:02:14 -0600   Glenda: I was disappointed that you didn't include any of the Karg-Elert works! Some day I'd like to do all Seven Pastels from the Lake of Constance. Soul of the Lake is my fav, and second would be The Mirrored Moon.   Jon <grinning from ear to ear knowing that that gardens are finally at rest>  
(back) Subject: Re: Sound Effect Question - signal horn From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:57:19 -0500   On 11/20/02 12:59 AM, "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> wrote:   > It looks like it might need standard house current to operate > > MUSCUR@aol.com wrote: >> >> I've brought back from a recent Midwest tour what looks to be an >> interesting electrical sound effects device that I found in a junk >> shop.   I had one of those in the 1940s. Used to take it to football games. I powered it with a 6-volt car battery, and it worked just fine.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Marie Claire Alain From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:58:48 -0500   I had the good fortune to be reminded of recent posts regarding Marie Claire Alain's recording of the Bach Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor BWV =   582 today.   I was in our local March of Dimes store, and found three really good organ =   LPs, one of which is a recording by Marie Claire Alain playing Bach on the =   Marcussen organ of the Mariakirke, Helsingborg, Sweden. This LP is in "mint" condition, and was originally recorded by Erato, but issued in New York by RCA Victrola in 1972. The LP No. is VICS 1688 Stereo.   The disc also contains the ever - present Toccata and Fugue in D minor BWV = 565   Without any doubt, for me this is the finest performance of the = Passacaglia and Fugue that I have in my collection, and I have at least eight, maybe even ten, other recordings of the piece. The performance is top-rate, and =   the recording is right up there with any of the later recordings that I = have.   Now that I am able to copy LPs to my hard drive, and then burn them this will, for sure be among my favourite CDs in my collection. If you are lucky enough to find this LP, I can thoroughly recommend it.   Other pieces on the LP are the Toccata and Fugue in D minor, BWV 565, the "Little" Fugue in G minor, BWV 578, "Sleepers Awake" Chorale, BWV 645, and =   the Fantasy and Fugue in G minor, "The Great" BWV 542. "Sleepers Awake" = is played on another Marcussen organ, this time being the one in the Church = of Varde, in Denmark.   I don't know if these recordings have ever been issued on CD, but if they have don't just sit there, - go for it! This is organ playing at its best!   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: Marie Claire Alain From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:11:14 EST     --part1_158.17b9877f.2b0d4662_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I had the pleasure of seeing Mme. Alain play last year...it was wonderful. =   She didn't make one mistake in a lengthly and challenging program. Her playing is clean, unselfish, and serving of the music. It was funny to = hear big scary 20th century full organ pieces then see a sweet little french = lady in gold shoes come out from behind the console and wave...I have her recordings of all of Jehan's music, they are wonderful. greg   --part1_158.17b9877f.2b0d4662_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I had the pleasure of = seeing Mme. Alain play last year...it was wonderful. She didn't make one = mistake in a lengthly and challenging program. &nbsp;Her playing is clean, = unselfish, and serving of the music. &nbsp;It was funny to hear big scary = 20th century full organ pieces then see a sweet little french lady in gold = shoes come out from behind the console and wave...I have her recordings of = all of Jehan's music, they are wonderful. <BR>greg</FONT></HTML>   --part1_158.17b9877f.2b0d4662_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Sound Effect Question - signal horn -reply From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:43:38 EST     --part1_1a5.c49ebc5.2b0d5c0a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/20/2002 12:28:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, MUSCUR@aol.com writes:     > Industrial Signal > Res of Coils 300 > Voltage 125 60 > Current .20 > >   Well, judgeing from the label info, my guess would be that it is intended = to operate on 120 volts AC (60 cycle) which would be your basic "plug it into =   the wall" type voltage. the coil resistnce of 300 ohms, with a currend = load of .2 amps would be about right.   the "buzz" of the horn (albeit bvery LOUD) sould be about the pitch of = tenor B of an 8' pitched organ rank, tho it is slightly flat to BB and fairly = sharp to BB-flat.   hope this helps.   Rick in VA   --part1_1a5.c49ebc5.2b0d5c0a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 11/20/2002 12:28:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, MUSCUR@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Industrial Signal <BR>Res of Coils 300 <BR>Voltage 125 60 <BR>Current .20 <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Well, judgeing from the label info, my guess would be that it is = intended to operate on 120 volts AC (60 cycle) which would be your basic = "plug it into the wall" type voltage. &nbsp;&nbsp;the coil resistnce of = 300 ohms, with a currend load of .2 amps would be about right. <BR> <BR>the "buzz" of the horn (albeit bvery LOUD) sould be about the pitch of = tenor B of an 8' pitched organ rank, tho it is slightly flat to BB and = fairly sharp to BB-flat. <BR> <BR>hope this helps. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1a5.c49ebc5.2b0d5c0a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: DART CD Recorder 4.1 From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:54:35 -0500   I have received some enquiries regarding which software I use for making CDs from LPs.   I have software from DART Technologies called Dart CD Recorder 4.1, which is not overly expensive, - it was $29.95 Canadian here in Kingston Ontario. I actually only paid $19.95 Canadian for it as there was a = $10.00 discount that day! DART stands for Digital Audio Restoration Technology.   In addition, after I registered the software with DART they sent me an e-mail telling me that there had been an update to the version that I had, =   and they pointed me to their Web page where I found that the update was = free!   The software is easy to install, although the operating instructions leave =   you to your own imagination to get it working, - but their Support people are very friendly and resolved my initial problems by replying to my = e-mail requests.   The Dart Web page is to be found at: www.dartpro.com where there is a full =   explanation of all their products.   There is an enhanced version of the software that I use, which is called DART Professional XP, but I haven't tried it, for I am more than satisfied =   with the DART CD Recorder 4.1.   I have copied LPs to CD/R's, and with the software i have been able to clean up clicks and hiss distortion from the stored file. DART saves the files as WAV files, and can be manipulated into other file formats if required.   I have downloaded BBC 3 radio broadcasts, saved them to my hard drive, and =   then copied them on to CDs. One really good feature is their Timer Recorder, which allows one to set everything up to record a broadcast at, say, 3.00 am, and then if the recording is worth keeping, copy that to a = CD.   All in all, I find it fairly easy to use, - and I hasten to add that I am not really all that competent with this sort of technology, but this one does work well. I also should make it clear that I have no association = with DART other than by being a satisfied user.   The Web page is at: www.dartpro.com   Have fun,   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: 8-foot stop From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:24:03 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3120657843_13876489 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 11/20/02 4:43 PM, "RMaryman@aol.com" <RMaryman@aol.com> wrote:   >>> >> the pitch of tenor B of an 8' pitched organ rank   Which reminds me of a question I=3DB9ve been wanting to ask for a long = time.   How come the C pipe is 8=3DB9 long (approx.)? That is, =3DB3feet=3DB2 = were surely not the unit of measure when early organs were built. Suppose 64 Hz (or whatever it is for the bottom C) were generated by a 3.5-cubit pipe. And the octave coupler (delivering tenor C) would be 1.75 cubits? And middle = C at .875 cubits? Just think of the cumbersome numerology! Would the Fundaton 256=3DB9 be measured in furlongs? Is it just LUCK that our = diatonic scale is based on a nice easily-divisible number like 8?   Alan, with time on his hands, but hoping that Arp will know   --B_3120657843_13876489 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>8-foot stop</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 11/20/02 4:43 PM, = &quot;RMaryman@aol.com&qu=3D ot; &lt;RMaryman@aol.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">&gt;&gt; the pitch of = tenor=3D B of an 8' pitched organ rank<BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Which reminds me of a question I&#8217;ve been wanting to ask for a long = ti=3D me. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> How come the C pipe is 8&#8217; long (approx.)? &nbsp;That is, = &#8220;feet&=3D #8221; were surely not the unit of measure when early organs were built. = &nb=3D sp;Suppose 64 Hz (or whatever it is for the bottom C) were generated by a = 3.=3D 5-cubit pipe. &nbsp;And the octave coupler (delivering tenor C) would be = 1.7=3D 5 cubits? &nbsp;And middle C at .875 cubits? &nbsp;Just think of the = cumbers=3D ome numerology! &nbsp;Would the Fundaton 256&#8217; be measured in = furlongs?=3D &nbsp;Is it just LUCK that our diatonic scale is based on a nice = easily-div=3D isible number like 8?<BR> <BR> Alan, with time on his hands, but hoping that Arp will know</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3120657843_13876489--    
(back) Subject: Another great find! From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:53:17 -0500   At the same time as I found the Marie Claire Alain LP, I also bought several other LPs, one of which is "The Power of the Organ" an LP recorded =   by Robert Owen at the Gress-Miles organ in Christ Church, Bronxville. The =   LP is dated 1963 and is an RCA Victor with the label No. SPS 33-190. This =   LP is in "not too bad" condition, and I am sure that the relatively minor clicks can be removed from it by my DART software if I decide to copy it = to CD.   The music contained in the recording includes, (yet again), the Bach Toccata and Fugue in D minor, Liszt's Prelude and Fugue on BACH, the inevitable Widor Toccata, and Alain's Litanies. The real piece on this LP =   is the Reger Benedictus, really sensitively played by Robert Owen, and a decided "keeper".   Who was/is Robert Owen, and is Bronxville in the Bronx of New York City? Can anyone fill in the gaps for me?   The organ is a three manual Gross-Miles which sounds very well on the rather older LP. I quite often can go to the March of Dimes store, and = not find any LPs that take my fancy, but today I found six in all with two of them being very good organ records, - perhaps some-one has been having a clean up of their record collection!   Today's haul of LPs have turned out to be a good catch! The other LPs = were Dutch Hymns on two of them, and an LP of Royal Brass Music played by the London Gabrieli Brass Ensemble which is in the turntable as I write!   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: WWBD? (X-post) From: "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:19:12 -0500   WWBD - What would Bach Do ?   Dear listers,   The argument over "authentic playing" will continue forever without resolution.   The simple truth is that Bach did not have the organs we have today and there is no way to tell HOW he would choose to use the resources available. IF Bach were to play his Pasacaglia on the Schantz at Sacred Heart in Newark NJ, my bet is that it would sound much like what I heard Felix Hell play there this past weekend. Can I say that authoritatively ? Of course, NOT ! Neither can someone say that Bach wouldn't use the swell shoes, the combination action, or any of the other resources that are available. I tend to believe that Bach would make full use of everything available, but that is just my impression.   Not only do we have no idea of how Bach played his own music, it is pure speculation to guess how he might play it today, on modern instruments.   Biggs was an interpreter, as was Fox and for that matter, so is Felix. All we can do as listeners is listen and decide for ourselves wether there is "Music made" or "notes played". I've heard both in various recitals over the years, and I tend to not listen to the "artists" who "play notes".     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY