PipeChat Digest #3250 - Thursday, November 21, 2002
 
Re: Another great find!
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
DART CD Recorder
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Widor Toccata
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: DART CD Recorder
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Nashville Symphony Hall
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Adventures with Felix (part 2 Sacred Heart)
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: bach
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
Re: WWBD? (X-post)
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Widor Toccata
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Another great find! From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:39:08 -0500   On 11/20/02 6:53 PM, "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> wrote:   > Who was/is Robert Owen, and is Bronxville in the Bronx of New York > City? Can anyone fill in the gaps for me?   Bronxville is NOT in The Bronx. It is a town or a village (the legal = terms are very idiosyncratic here) in Westchester County, New York State, a few minutes' drive north of The Bronx. A very, VERY nice community, with stately homes and churches. Home of Concordia College of the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. It probably has a website, or a page in a Westchester County website. Definitely a very upscale community.   The Bronck family were the first European settlers here. Mr. Bronck was = the son of a Lutheran pastor in the ?Faeroe Islands, owned by Denmark. He had = a fairly good theological library.   "Robert Owen" rings a bell, but I can't place it. I'll try harder on request.   Alan Freed, Kingsbridge Heights, The Bronx   P.S.: I live in the Bronx. It's infamous as a terrible ghetto. And = that's somewhat true, or used to be, in the 60s and 70s. But far from totally. THE FINEST residential community in New York City is "Riverdale." Not = Park Ave., nor Fifth Ave., but "Riverdale." It is part of the Bronx. It probably has a website; you could look it up. Fancy, grand mansions, and very rich. I don't live there, but it's in view (a mile away) from my dining room window, where I now sit; we share a zip code. 10463        
(back) Subject: DART CD Recorder From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:09:12 EST     --part1_15f.1766d830.2b0d9a48_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   How do you actually connect the turntable to the computer? Do you hook = the turntable directly to the computer's microphone port or do you connect the =   turntable to the stereo as usual and connect the "out" terminals of the = amp to the computer - as you would to a tape player/recorder.   Thanks, Keith   I've got numerous old LPs of Dan Fogelberg as well as some LPs from = Musical Heritage Society that I would like to record.   --part1_15f.1766d830.2b0d9a48_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>How do you actually = connect the turntable to the computer? &nbsp;Do you hook the turntable = directly to the computer's microphone port or do you connect the turntable = to the stereo as usual and connect the "out" terminals of the amp to the = computer - as you would to a tape player/recorder. <BR> <BR>Thanks, <BR>Keith <BR> <BR>I've got numerous old LPs of Dan Fogelberg as well as some LPs from = Musical Heritage Society that I would like to record.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_15f.1766d830.2b0d9a48_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Widor Toccata From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:13:36 -0600   Well, whaddya know, I'm not such a cultural Philistine after all! Every time someone mentioned the Widor Toccata, which I said I was not familiar with, I realized I had a thread of music running through my head. So off = to the internet and a midi file of the piece........hey, I AM familiar with that piece (where or how I know not)! And, yes, friends, I DO like it, = even if it IS Widor!   Gee, I might even start liking Durufle!!! (Nah, don't want to go that far!)   ;>)   Dennis Steckley    
(back) Subject: Re: DART CD Recorder From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:37:18 -0500   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_26465254= =3D=3D.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   At 09:09 PM 11/20/02 -0500, Keith wrote: >How do you actually connect the turntable to the computer? Do you hook >the turntable directly to the computer's microphone port or do you = connect >the turntable to the stereo as usual and connect the "out" terminals of >the amp to the computer - as you would to a tape player/recorder. > >Thanks, >Keith > >I've got numerous old LPs of Dan Fogelberg as well as some LPs from >Musical Heritage Society that I would like to record.   I have a Radio Shack Optimus turntable with a built in pre-amp which I connect directly to the line input of my SoundBlaster Live sound card. = The only extra item that I had to buy was a Y connector which takes the RCA plugs in on input side and on the output side is a miniature stereo jack which goes into the Line input of the sound card.   Nothing special or fancy!   Bob Conway       --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_26465254= =3D=3D.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> <body> At 09:09 PM 11/20/02 -0500, Keith wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"arial" = size=3D2>How do you actually connect the turntable to the computer?&nbsp; Do you hook the turntable directly to the computer's microphone port or do you connect the turntable to the stereo as usual and connect the &quot;out&quot; terminals of the amp to the computer - as you would to a tape player/recorder. <br><br> Thanks, <br> Keith <br><br> I've got numerous old LPs of Dan Fogelberg as well as some LPs from Musical Heritage Society that I would like to record.</font><font face=3D"arial"> </font></blockquote><br> I have a Radio Shack Optimus turntable with a built in pre-amp which I connect directly to the line input of my SoundBlaster Live sound card.&nbsp; The only extra item that I had to buy was a Y connector which takes the RCA plugs in on input side and on the output side is a miniature stereo jack which goes into the Line input of the sound card.<br><br> Nothing special or fancy!<br><br> Bob Conway<br><br> </body> <br> </html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_26465254= =3D=3D.ALT--    
(back) Subject: Nashville Symphony Hall From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:57:36 EST   Nashville is getting ready to build a new symphony hall, and some details = and pictures were in today's paper. It will be "a stately neoclassical" = building that borrows many elements from ancient Greek and Roman architecture. It "consciously echos" several storied concert halls in Vienna, Amsterdam, Zurich, and Boston. Great pains are being taken regarding the acoustics = and every surface inside the building is being carefully planned. The seats = will have the minimum amount of padding and upholstry. With acoustics in mind, = the hall is also being planned not to be too large or too small. It will seat 1900. It will be shaped inside like a "shoebox" with 2 balconies in the = back and running down both sides. It is planned to open in 2006. Cost is = expected to be $120 million. According to the paper, there will be "an imposing = pipe organ looming just above and behind the stage". A couple in Nashville have =   donated $2.5 million toward the cost of the organ which is to be built by Schoenstein & Co.   Tom  
(back) Subject: Adventures with Felix (part 2 Sacred Heart) From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:17:33 -0500   Hello again, I'll bet you though I would construct this 3 part report chronologically, didn't you? I have my reasons for not doing so, and I hope to make them clear in my final installment, so please indulge me this bizarre behavior. As you have already read, I traveled some distance in the past several weeks to hear Felix Hell play 3 very different organs in 3 totally different rooms. Since the beginning of my organ concert attendance career that started just several years ago, I have always dreamed of hearing a really big organ in a reverberate space, played by someone not afraid to open up everything. I knew that Felix was the man for the job because I had already heard his CD recorded at the Basilica Cathedral, and knew how much he liked this instrument and place. It didn't hurt either, that this concert was advertised as the premier Felix Hell concert of the year. I know from experience that Felix has a particularly good time when the organ contains divisions at both ends of a church. I was not prepared, however, for how much of this instrument is actually in the back gallery. I have heard the figure 40% front and 60% back, and I quickly began to understand the benefit of this when the 32 footers in the gallery began to use the entire building as a sound board, and found I was hearing with parts of my body that were no where near my ears. I once stood right in front of the Great at Severance Hall during the Maestoso movement of the Saint-Saens Organ Symphony while the organ went from silence to full organ on that famous C chord entrance, and have always thought that to be the finest organ experience I have yet had, but Sacred Heart and Felix Hell have certainly generated a strong challenge to that. I knew that Felix's program would include Guilmant, but in my ignorance of organ literature, did not know that the Sonata No. 1 D Minor was actually the Organ Symphony played entirely on the organ. I had heard Felix play the Organ Symphony in Hamilton Ontario this Summer with the Brott Music Festival Orchestra, so I was delighted to hear those familiar strains as Felix began the piece. My delight turned to astonishment as I realized I was hearing all the orchestra parts as well as the organ solo parts. In my mind, the beautiful French Horn, Flute, and Clarinet solos sounded exactly like I remembered the orchestra playing. Felix wove it all together with consummate skill, and I found myself simply elevated by it. I get goose bumps recalling it while I write this still. I certainly enjoyed hearing the other works on Felix's program this day, on this instrument, in this place, but the magic of the Guilmant had cast its spell on me, so everything else seemed somehow secondary. This was my second hearing of Felix playing the Bach Passacaglia C Minor and the Liszt Ad Nos in so many days, and they were indeed grandiose and fantastic, but I sincerely liked them better at Slee Hall in Buffalo 2 days before. I humbly invite you to read my final installment part 3 where I will try to explain why. I might also mention that I am finally developing a taste for C=E9sar Franck. I have heard Felix play the Choral No. 3 in A Minor in Columbus last week, and on this Sunday he played the Choral No. 2 in B Minor. I get the sense of such a strong, dark mood from Franck, yet the chord progressions are so moving and beautiful. Certainly more listening of his music is in order for me. It also makes me want to spend more time on Dupr=E9 and Durufle, music I have had some trouble listening to thus far. I would like to pass on my greetings to several list members who I got to meet face to face for the first time in Newark. It's wonderful to finally put faces to the names and writing of list members with whom I converse from time to time as if neighbors next door. The Internet puts on this unique long distance twist to relationships where personalities are but letters and symbols upon a computer screen. It's nice to normalize it all when we meet at concerts and other organic activities. Perhaps we need some sort of universal signal that we all wear when we are attending these functions so that we can readily identify each other. I realize that it might be extreme to suggest we might wear some sort of pipe festooned hat ala the Wisconsin Cheese Head, but perhaps a lapel pin or similar indicator might be in order. As it were, some us just sort of stumbled into each other at Sacred Heart by chance meeting, and I wonder how many others I might have missed. Well, as they say, "that's fodder for another feast" as it were, so on to my closing. Thank you Felix. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you !!!   All My Best Mike Gettelman    
(back) Subject: Re: bach From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:57:17 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0011_01C290DF.CAF8B980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi Greg,   Biggs was a very warm and gentle man. Being a young boy at the time =3D (1967) I was terrified at meeting him, but he put me very much at ease. = =3D He was a kind, inspiring and patient teacher. The time I spent with him = =3D was the best summer of my life.   Tim=3D20 ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Gfc234@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: bach     Tim-=3D20 I am quite familiar with the sounds of those organs and their =3D specifications. I have practiced about 30 hours a week for the last 3.5 = =3D years on a large 2 manual tracker with NO pistons too...It is similar to = =3D playing the harpsichord in terms of manual technique-it is also similar = =3D in terms of registrational concepts-you don't change them much. ---who = =3D the hell is Virgil Fox to accuse anyone of their performance style-i =3D heard a recording of him playing the G major trio sonata on a cd last =3D week and it sounded like it was from Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs.=3D20 Anyway--the heck with all that...Tell me about Biggs? What was his =3D personality like? Wow, what a neat experience for you! ------=3D_NextPart_000_0011_01C290DF.CAF8B980 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hi Greg,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Biggs was a very warm and gentle =3D man.&nbsp; Being a=3D20 young boy at the time (1967) I was terrified at meeting him, but he put = =3D me very=3D20 much at ease.&nbsp; He was a kind, inspiring&nbsp;and patient =3D teacher.&nbsp;=3D20 The&nbsp;time I spent with him was the best summer of my =3D life.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tim</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DGfc234@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:Gfc234@aol.com">Gfc234@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 18, 2002 = =3D 1:27=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> bach</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>Tim- = <BR>I =3D am quite=3D20 familiar with the sounds of those organs and their specifications. =3D &nbsp;I=3D20 have practiced about 30 hours a week for the last 3.5 years on a large = =3D 2=3D20 manual tracker with NO pistons too...It is similar to playing the =3D harpsichord=3D20 in terms of manual technique-it is also similar in terms of =3D registrational=3D20 concepts-you don't change them much. &nbsp;---who the hell is Virgil =3D Fox to=3D20 accuse anyone of their performance style-i heard a recording of him =3D playing=3D20 the G major trio sonata on a cd last week and it sounded like it was =3D from Snow=3D20 White and the 7 Dwarfs. <BR>Anyway--the heck with all that...Tell me =3D about=3D20 Biggs? &nbsp;What was his personality like? &nbsp;Wow, what a neat =3D experience=3D20 for you!</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0011_01C290DF.CAF8B980--    
(back) Subject: Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:20:08 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0021_01C290E2.FC3781E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Greg,   Is it necessary to be so abrasive and confrontational? Many members of = =3D the PipeChat List are highly trained, experienced organists, some of =3D whom hold advanced Degree's in Organ Performance (myself among them). I = =3D can understand your zeal, in that you are an Organ Major in College =3D (been there, done that). Perhaps you might consider that many members =3D are indeed professional organists with many many years of experience and = =3D practice. Maybe you could give us the benefit of the doubt here? We =3D may have lost our zeal over the years, but from experience comes wisdom = =3D my friend ... not just from education alone.   We who have chosen to serve as Church organists have our private gripes = =3D too. But consider this: we do what we do not for the money. We are, =3D for the majority grossly under paid and under appreciated for what we =3D do. We do it for the joy of making music, and for many, for the Glory =3D of God. I have held posts in small churches, large churches, and =3D cathedrals ... some as a volunteer, others well paid. Money is not =3D precisely the point. What is important is perpetuating The Art of Organ = =3D Playing to whatever extent we can.   And, before you ask: BMus, MM in Organ Performance. My teachers were =3D Dr. Charles Schilling, Donald Sutherland, Dr. Iva Browne, E. P. Biggs, = =3D Stanley Smith, St. Luke's (Chicago), and Master Studies with Walter =3D Bahn, St. Mary's Cathedral (San Francisco), Walter Kraft (Germany).   Next Question   Tim ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Gfc234@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations     well - why don't you tell me about yourself since you're so smart? =3D what are your credentials? were you even an organ major in college? who = =3D did you study with? did you ever take an organ literature and history =3D class? do you ever listen to cd's and read liner notes? do you read =3D books about Bach or the baroque? I'm sure your reply will probably have = =3D me eating my words...=3D20 maybe you should get your butt into the practice room so that your =3D attitude might change!=3D20   "Organists wealthy? This guy's crap-o-meter is running on overdrive! = =3D Where did you get your information on Bach's musical instrument =3D inventory? Your facts are incorrect."=3D20 I don't know about you, but I know many organists in Chicago who are =3D living QUITE comfortably. Not everyone is stuck with a shitty cheap ass = =3D congregation you know. Some churches pay big money because they want =3D the best they can get! Also, lets not forget about university positions = =3D etc...The more degrees you get, the more you're worth!=3D20 greg=3D20 p.s.--i am just having fun, i hope you are too!=3D20 no hard feelings :) ------=3D_NextPart_000_0021_01C290E2.FC3781E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Greg,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Is it necessary to be so abrasive = and=3D20 confrontational?&nbsp; Many members of the PipeChat List are highly =3D trained,=3D20 experienced organists, some of whom hold advanced Degree's in Organ =3D Performance=3D20 (myself among them).&nbsp; I can understand your zeal, in that you are =3D an Organ=3D20 Major in College (been there, done that).&nbsp; Perhaps you might =3D consider that=3D20 many members are indeed professional organists with many many years = of=3D20 experience and practice.&nbsp; Maybe you could give us the benefit of =3D the doubt=3D20 here?&nbsp; We may have lost our zeal over the years, but from =3D experience comes=3D20 wisdom my friend ... not just from education alone.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>We who have chosen to serve as Church = =3D organists=3D20 have our private gripes too.&nbsp; But consider this:&nbsp; we do what =3D we do not=3D20 for the money.&nbsp; We are, for the majority grossly under paid and =3D under=3D20 appreciated for what we do.&nbsp; We do it for the joy of making music, = =3D and for=3D20 many, for the Glory of God.&nbsp; I have held posts in small churches, =3D large=3D20 churches, and cathedrals ... some as a volunteer, others well =3D paid.&nbsp; Money=3D20 is not precisely the point.&nbsp; What is important is perpetuating The = =3D Art of=3D20 Organ Playing to whatever extent we can.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>And, before you ask:&nbsp; BMus, MM = in =3D Organ=3D20 Performance.&nbsp; My teachers were Dr. Charles Schilling, Donald =3D Sutherland,=3D20 Dr. Iva Browne, E. P. Biggs,&nbsp; Stanley Smith, St. Luke's (Chicago), = =3D and=3D20 Master Studies with Walter Bahn, St. Mary's Cathedral (San Francisco), =3D Walter=3D20 Kraft (Germany).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Next Question</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tim</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DGfc234@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:Gfc234@aol.com">Gfc234@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 19, =3D 2002 1:11=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fox &amp; = Biggs=3D20 Interpretations</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>well - = why =3D don't you=3D20 tell me about yourself since you're so smart? what are your =3D credentials? were=3D20 you even an organ major in college? &nbsp;who did you study with? =3D &nbsp;did=3D20 you ever take an organ literature and history class? &nbsp;do you ever = =3D listen=3D20 to cd's and read liner notes? &nbsp;do you read books about Bach or =3D the=3D20 baroque? &nbsp;I'm sure your reply will probably have me eating my =3D words...=3D20 <BR>maybe you should get your butt into the practice room so that your = =3D   attitude might change! <BR><BR>"Organists wealthy?&nbsp; This guy's=3D20 crap-o-meter is running on overdrive!&nbsp; Where did you get your =3D information=3D20 on Bach's musical instrument inventory?&nbsp; Your facts are =3D incorrect." <BR>I=3D20 don't know about you, but I know many organists in Chicago who are =3D living=3D20 QUITE comfortably. &nbsp;Not everyone is stuck with a shitty cheap ass = =3D   congregation you know. &nbsp;Some churches pay big money because they = =3D want the=3D20 best they can get! &nbsp;Also, lets not forget about university =3D positions=3D20 etc...The more degrees you get, the more you're worth! <BR>greg =3D <BR>p.s.--i am=3D20 just having fun, i hope you are too! <BR>no hard feelings :)</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0021_01C290E2.FC3781E0--    
(back) Subject: Re: WWBD? (X-post) From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:32:17 -0600   Well put Doug.   Tim   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> To: <Pipechat@pipechat.org>; <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: WWBD? (X-post)     > WWBD - What would Bach Do ? > > Dear listers, > > The argument over "authentic playing" will continue forever without > resolution. > > The simple truth is that Bach did not have the organs we have today and > there is no way to tell HOW he would choose to use the resources > available. IF Bach were to play his Pasacaglia on the Schantz at Sacred > Heart in Newark NJ, my bet is that it would sound much like what I heard > Felix Hell play there this past weekend. Can I say that authoritatively > ? Of course, NOT ! Neither can someone say that Bach wouldn't use the > swell shoes, the combination action, or any of the other resources that > are available. I tend to believe that Bach would make full use of > everything available, but that is just my impression. > > Not only do we have no idea of how Bach played his own music, it is pure > speculation to guess how he might play it today, on modern instruments. > > Biggs was an interpreter, as was Fox and for that matter, so is Felix. > All we can do as listeners is listen and decide for ourselves wether > there is "Music made" or "notes played". I've heard both in various > recitals over the years, and I tend to not listen to the "artists" who > "play notes". > > > Douglas A. Campbell > Skaneateles, NY > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: Fox & Biggs Interpretations From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:40:55 EST     --part1_39.30752db6.2b0de807_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   And, before you ask:=3DA0 BMus, MM in Organ Performance.=3DA0 My teachers = were D=3D r.=3D20 Charles Schilling, Donald Sutherland, Dr. Iva Browne, E. P. Biggs,=3DA0 = Stanle=3D y=3D20 Smith, St. Luke's (Chicago), and Master Studies with Walter Bahn, St. = Mary's=3D =3D20 Cathedral (San Francisco), Walter Kraft (Germany).   Tim,=3D20 Wow! what an impressive resume! I would love to hear about your time and in Chicago and with Biggs.   --part1_39.30752db6.2b0de807_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>And, before you = ask:=3DA0 B=3D Mus, MM in Organ Performance.=3DA0 My teachers were Dr. Charles Schilling, = Don=3D ald Sutherland, Dr. Iva Browne, E. P. Biggs,=3DA0 Stanley Smith, St. = Luke's (C=3D hicago), and Master Studies with Walter Bahn, St. Mary's Cathedral (San = Fran=3D cisco), Walter Kraft (Germany).</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3D3 FAMI=3D LY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR> <BR>Tim,=3D20 <BR>Wow! &nbsp;what an impressive resume! <BR>I would love to hear about your time and in Chicago and with = Biggs.</FON=3D T></HTML>   --part1_39.30752db6.2b0de807_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Widor Toccata From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:43:03 EST     --part1_181.1239567f.2b0de887_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   now listen to the rest of the fifth-you will become obsessed with the = first mvmnt. gfc   --part1_181.1239567f.2b0de887_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>now listen to the rest = of the fifth-you will become obsessed with the first mvmnt. <BR>gfc</FONT></HTML>   --part1_181.1239567f.2b0de887_boundary--