PipeChat Digest #3253 - Saturday, November 23, 2002
 
Re:  George GUEST (cross-posted)
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
Re: 8-foot stop
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
RE: Robert Owen - Christ Church, Bronxville
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Noteworthy notation software (off topic)
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
Re: Robert Owen - Christ Church, Bronxville
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
a young man's lament
  by "Tiseo, Paul (PSC)" <Paul.Tiseo@vw.com>
Re: a young man's lament
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: a young man's lament
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: a young man's lament
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: a young man's lament
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: a young man's lament
  by "John Mackey" <johnmackey@mindspring.com>
Looking for Music
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: a young man's lament
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: George GUEST (cross-posted) From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:41:39 -0500   Mark Quarmby posted:   > A Cathedral organist passed this email onto me this morning suggesting that > I forward it to some of the organ lists: > > > It with with great regret that I have to inform you of the sudden = death of Dr > > George Guest just two days ago. I understand that he died in his = sleep. He > > will be greatly missed throughout the world of church music, not only = in > > Cambridge and Wales but much further afield.     A great loss to the world of church music. His many recordings with the Choir of St. John's College, Cambridge have been outstanding. Ironically = I just finished reading his book "A Guest in the House".   May his soul rest in Peace. Amen.   Bonnie Beth Derby Organist/Director of Music, St. James Church, Syracuse, New York orge@dreamscape.com    
(back) Subject: Re: 8-foot stop From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:20:18 -0600   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --Boundary_(ID_MiDbf0FsmofhbMoWKunxrg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT   On 11/20/02 4:24 PM, Alan Freed wrote:   > Is it just LUCK that our diatonic scale is based on a nice = easily-divisible > number like 8?   Yes.   --Boundary_(ID_MiDbf0FsmofhbMoWKunxrg) Content-type: text/html; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: 8-foot stop</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica">On 11/20/02 4:24 PM, Alan Freed wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Is it just LUCK that our = diatonic scale is based on a nice easily-divisible number like 8?<BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><BR> Yes.</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --Boundary_(ID_MiDbf0FsmofhbMoWKunxrg)--  
(back) Subject: RE: Robert Owen - Christ Church, Bronxville From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:22:29 -0500   >The Gress-Miles records are in the OHS archives at Westminster, in case anybody wants to open the drawer there.   Robert Owen made a recording that included the Marche de Fete by Busser; = the Cortege Funebre by Roget; the famous Nun Danket by Karg-Elert; and the Carillon-Sortie by Mulet. Hearing it in the 1960s at about age 15, I thought that it was all exciting stuff, well played, on a brilliant instrument. Is this before or after the Gress-Miles rebuild? It was = after, I think, and it speaks well of them as far as it goes, but I didn't know that the basis was an Aeolian-Skinner.   Then, too, recordings can easily deceive, and tonal competence is not = always matched by mechanical reliability.      
(back) Subject: Noteworthy notation software (off topic) From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:17:25 -0500   I would appreciate if an experienced user of this software would contact me. I need some assistance on a couple of matters.   Thanks,   HD    
(back) Subject: Re: Robert Owen - Christ Church, Bronxville From: "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:31:38 -0500       Emmons, Paul wrote:   >Robert Owen made a recording that included the Marche de Fete by Busser; = the >Cortege Funebre by Roget; the famous Nun Danket by Karg-Elert; and the >Carillon-Sortie by Mulet. > Having the King of Instruments, Volume III staring me in the face, Robert Owen recorded on that album at Christ Church; Bronxville, N.Y. MEINEN JESUM LASS' ICH NICHT, Bach-NON KOMM DER HEIDEN HEILAND, Bach-CONCERTO III, Handel-NUN FREUT EUCH, LEIBEN CHRISTEN G'MEIN, Bach-CARILLON DE WESTMINSTER, Vierne-NOEL, GRAND JEU ET DUO, D'AQUIN-ASCENSION SUITE MOVEMENT IV, Messiaen.   Not a bad sound and played well. Too Bad GM got to it, maybe its been reversed by now.   In case you aere interested .   Cheers, Mack    
(back) Subject: a young man's lament From: "Tiseo, Paul (PSC)" <Paul.Tiseo@vw.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:13:35 -0500   Hello friends:   I am a 25 year old Catholic man from the Detroit area and a wannabe organist. I did not become interested in playing the organ until I was 22, when I enrolled in the diocesan seminary. The music director there was an inspiring woman named Dr. Deborah Friauff. She exposed me to some great composers like Messiaen and Tournemire.   I decided the priesthood was not my calling, and left to start music = studies at Madonna University. I started studies with Dr. David Wagner, who is a really likeable guy and a great teacher. We would meet once a week to practice on a nice Casavant organ. However during the week the only instrument I could practice on was my home parish's dreadful Moeller = organ. Unfortunately at the time I was suffering from depression and I was not = able to put in the time needed to improve my playing. Finally I had to take a break from my studies.   After spending some time working in the "real world", I found my desire to play the organ remained. I signed up for another semester of studies with Dr. Wagner. I was really excited to start up again, but again there were obstacles. The university finally got a working practice organ, but I = don't live close by, and all of the other students have booked the practice = time. So I was left to my own devices again. The main obstacle is the = availability of a good instrument. I work 9 to 5 and the only time I have to practice = is evenings and weekends. I have contacted many area music directors of different denominations, and it's always the same story: the church is closed after hours; the church has too many evening activities, we don't know you, etc. It's no wonder we have a shortage of organists. = Unfortunately too often I feel like giving up. Any advice or thoughts?   Here are some of my favorite recordings: Roxanna Panufnik - Westminster Mass - Westminster Cathedral Choir James MacMillan - Mass - Westminster Cathedral Choir John Tavener - Eternity's Sunrise Olivier Messiaen - Transfiguration of Our Lord Jesus Christ   sincerely, Paul Tiseo    
(back) Subject: Re: a young man's lament From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:35:31 -0500   Dear Paul, Find a church that is getting a new organ and ask for the old Allen. They run forever. Might not be better than the dreadful Moller but = practice makes perfect. A great organ in a church is reward for learning how to = play well. It took me almost a lifetime to get a three manual Allen AGO specs = in my living room. I wish you luck. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiseo, Paul (PSC)" <Paul.Tiseo@vw.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: a young man's lament     > Hello friends: > > I am a 25 year old Catholic man from the Detroit area and a wannabe > organist. I did not become interested in playing the organ until I was = 22, > when I enrolled in the diocesan seminary. The music director there was = an > inspiring woman named Dr. Deborah Friauff. She exposed me to some great > composers like Messiaen and Tournemire. > > I decided the priesthood was not my calling, and left to start music studies > at Madonna University. I started studies with Dr. David Wagner, who is a > really likeable guy and a great teacher. We would meet once a week to > practice on a nice Casavant organ. However during the week the only > instrument I could practice on was my home parish's dreadful Moeller organ. > Unfortunately at the time I was suffering from depression and I was not able > to put in the time needed to improve my playing. Finally I had to take a > break from my studies. > > After spending some time working in the "real world", I found my desire = to > play the organ remained. I signed up for another semester of studies = with > Dr. Wagner. I was really excited to start up again, but again there = were > obstacles. The university finally got a working practice organ, but I don't > live close by, and all of the other students have booked the practice time. > So I was left to my own devices again. The main obstacle is the availability > of a good instrument. I work 9 to 5 and the only time I have to practice is > evenings and weekends. I have contacted many area music directors of > different denominations, and it's always the same story: the church is > closed after hours; the church has too many evening activities, we don't > know you, etc. It's no wonder we have a shortage of organists. Unfortunately > too often I feel like giving up. Any advice or thoughts? > > Here are some of my favorite recordings: > Roxanna Panufnik - Westminster Mass - Westminster Cathedral Choir > James MacMillan - Mass - Westminster Cathedral Choir > John Tavener - Eternity's Sunrise > Olivier Messiaen - Transfiguration of Our Lord Jesus Christ > > sincerely, > Paul Tiseo > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: a young man's lament From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:03:44 EST     --part1_1a2.c3a2f08.2b1011d0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   maybe try joining a parish that has an organ that you like--maybe join the =   choir. just become friends with the music director. your other option is = to buy a digital or a small pipe if you can afford it.     --part1_1a2.c3a2f08.2b1011d0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>maybe try joining a = parish that has an organ that you like--maybe join the choir. &nbsp;just = become friends with the music director. your other option is to buy a = digital or a small pipe if you can afford it. &nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_1a2.c3a2f08.2b1011d0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: a young man's lament From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:40:10 EST     --part1_11.2d843a9.2b101a5a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Paul:   As a student, you don't necessarily need a good instrument, but something to practice on. The good instruments come later when you are accomplished. There are many instruments that are mechanically sound for under $1,000. My advise is to get one for yourself and just go to it. A good instrument is not necessary when you are learning the fundamentals, but it must be functional.   Ron   --part1_11.2d843a9.2b101a5a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Dear Paul:<BR> <BR> As a student, you don't necessarily need a good instrument,<BR> but something to practice on. The good instruments come<BR> later when you are accomplished. There are many instruments<BR> that are mechanically sound for under $1,000. My advise is to<BR> get one for yourself and just go to it. A good instrument is not<BR> necessary when you are learning the fundamentals, but it must<BR> be functional.<BR> <BR> Ron</FONT></HTML>   --part1_11.2d843a9.2b101a5a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: a young man's lament From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:34:27 -0500   On 11/22/02 5:13 PM, "Tiseo, Paul (PSC)" <Paul.Tiseo@vw.com> wrote:   > Hello friends: > > I am a 25 year old Catholic man from the Detroit area and a wannabe > organist.   Paul, what do you do for a living? And why are you where you are?   Short quick questions, but a start.   I think you'll get more helpful replies from others. But I'm willing to talk to you more as well. OK?   Alan Freed, St. Luke's Church, Manhattan      
(back) Subject: Re: a young man's lament From: "John Mackey" <johnmackey@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:41:54 -0500       "Tiseo, Paul (PSC)" wrote: > > Hello friends: > > I am a 25 year old Catholic man from the Detroit area and a wannabe > organist. Dear Paul,   Man o Man, do I have a similar story for you...   When I was young, I became fascinated with the pipe organ but, coming from very humble beginnings and starting work right out of high School, the prospect of organ study was to be realized only with private lessons & a place where I could go to practice.   Since I lived in the bronx and worked in manhattan I thought that finding an instrument to use would be easy. WRONG!!! I was surrounded be hundreds of pipe organs, each with it's own excuse as to why practice time would be out of the question. I must say that there was one exception, a Methodist church but they could not let me practice in the building alone (insurance regulations).   Well, Paul... Even now It's not easy. I'm allowed to practice at my local R.C. Cathedral (I sing in their choir) but that's when conditions permit, such as... The building is open, the sec'y is in to give me keys. there are no masses going on, the tuners aren't there. confessions are not taking place. the saturday recitalist isn't practicing. the DM or his assistant isn't there and the sexton doesn't need to vacuum.   My solution was to find a used ago pedalboard, I wired it for MIDI and (PRESTO), I now have a working pedalboard to go with my Yamaha PSR-240 Keyboard!!! I'm also lucky enough to have a chickering console piano.   I would Suggest that you do the following...   1) Contact a local organ tech, they may have a pedalboard/bench to sell cheap. If you write to me, I will give you particulars about the Midi wiring... It's easy and cost $100. for parts.   2) Find a church that needs an organist. Many smaller churches get-by with volunteers on the "FUN-MACHINE" but would love to Nurture the right individual. Many churches also have decent organs which they don't use but you have to look for them. If you don't feel qualified, just start with two or three part harmony. Believe me, the rest will come quickly.   3) Join your local ago chapter and network. before you know, you will probably have leads on used electronic organs, churches where you my practice etc...   4) Please select a qualified teacher after you have settled your practice issues. from what you have said before, it seems that you just couldn't practice for your lessons and that wastes your time & money as well as your teachers time. I am lucky, I found a wonderful teacher through a local music school.   John M   PS Since you are Catholic, you might try an RC parish and volunteer to play for a saturday or early sunday mass for experience.  
(back) Subject: Looking for Music From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:46:19 EST     --part1_15e.1784ca2f.2b10621b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Fellow Organists,   I listen to pipe organs on CD or radio whenever I can. There are several pieces that I'm looking for - or for which I am looking. I hate to order = a bunch of books because there is so much overlap.     > Clerembault - Basse at Desus de Trompette > Guilmant - Pastorale from Sonate #1 in D minor > Mendelsssohn-Bartholdy - Allegretto from Sonata 4 > Vincent Lubeck - Nun Lasst uns Gott dem Herren (6 verses) > Bach - Fugue in G Major (Gigue) > Vivaldi - Movement 1, Concerto in A Minor > R. Vaughn Williams - Prelude on the Welsh Hymn Tune "Rhosymedre   If you have extra copies you'd like to sell (cheap, please) please let me know. I don't know if that list gives any idea of the kind of music I'd = like to find. I'd like a few books of anthologies of organ music. Regarding = my ability, I think I do pretty well for someone who's never had organ = lessons.   I really like bright, chearful organ pieces, medium pedal parts, slower melodic pieces on the order of "Bist Du Bei Mir", as well as Hymn arrangements that don't stray too far from their natural harmony.   A few relatives are asking me for my Christmas list. I'd like to be able = to give some suggestions. I need to see what all I can get for $100 (We = adults draw names, and that's what we agree as our spending limit).   I realize that some of you are very much against copying music, some = aren't. I guess my conscience got seared years ago when I copied everything I = could find. I guess it shows that we've all got our sins: some use 4-letter = words, some tell dirty stories, some copy CDs, some sleep around. Chances are, = we all break the speed limits every day. Thank God for His grace!   Thanks, Keith   --part1_15e.1784ca2f.2b10621b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Fellow Organists,<BR> <BR> I listen to pipe organs on CD or radio whenever I can.&nbsp; There are = several pieces that I'm looking for - or for which I am looking.&nbsp; I = hate to order a bunch of books because there is so much overlap.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Clerembault = -&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Basse at = Desus de Trompette<BR> Guilmant - Pastorale from Sonate #1 in D minor<BR> Mendelsssohn-Bartholdy - Allegretto from Sonata 4<BR> Vincent Lubeck = -&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Nun = Lasst uns Gott dem Herren (6 verses)<BR> Bach = -&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n= bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= ;&nbsp; Fugue in G Major (Gigue)<BR> Vivaldi = -&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n= bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Movement 1, Concerto in A Minor<BR> R. Vaughn Williams -&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Prelude on the Welsh = Hymn Tune "Rhosymedre</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> If you have extra copies you'd like to sell (cheap, please) please let me = know.&nbsp; I don't know if that list gives any idea of the kind of music = I'd like to find.&nbsp; I'd like a few books of anthologies of organ = music.&nbsp; Regarding my ability, I think I do pretty well for someone = who's never had organ lessons.<BR> <BR> I really like bright, chearful organ pieces, medium pedal parts, slower = melodic pieces on the order of "Bist Du Bei Mir", as well as Hymn = arrangements that don't stray too far from their natural harmony.<BR> <BR> A few relatives are asking me for my Christmas list.&nbsp; I'd like to be = able to give some suggestions.&nbsp; I need to see what all I can get for = $100 (We adults draw names, and that's what we agree as our spending = limit).<BR> <BR> I realize that some of you are very much against copying music, some = aren't.&nbsp; I guess my conscience got seared years ago when I copied = everything I could find.&nbsp; I guess it shows that we've all got our = sins: some use 4-letter words, some tell dirty stories, some copy CDs, = some sleep around.&nbsp; Chances are, we all break the speed limits every = day.&nbsp; Thank God for His grace!<BR> <BR> Thanks,<BR> Keith</FONT></HTML>   --part1_15e.1784ca2f.2b10621b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: a young man's lament From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 03:33:38 EST     --part1_68.2915d8ab.2b109762_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   you don't need much more than 2 man and pedal with a decent 8' flute in = each division--it actually enforces better practicing. gfc   --part1_68.2915d8ab.2b109762_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff80c0" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Lucida Calligraphy" LANG=3D"0">you don't need = much more than 2 man&nbsp; and pedal with a decent 8' flute in each = division--it actually enforces better practicing.<BR> gfc</FONT></HTML>   --part1_68.2915d8ab.2b109762_boundary--