PipeChat Digest #3255 - Sunday, November 24, 2002
 
Turntables (off topic)
  by <Pologaptommy@aol.com>
Re: Turntables (off topic)
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Turntables (off topic)
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: a young man's lament
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Turntables (off topic) From: <Pologaptommy@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:19:47 EST     --part1_16e.1788e322.2b11bb73_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hello all! My grandmother gave me some great organ christmas records and various = other christmas records, such as the Carpenters Christmas and Bing Crosby. I was also excited, because now that I had some records, I could try out = my record player, which came with my entertainment center setup that is in = the master bedroom. I had never really operated a record player, as in my lifetime I have only =   been exposed to CDs, and a minimal amount of tapes. Well, when I got them =   home, I put them up and have not thought about them since. Today, I = decided it was time to put up the Christmas Trees, and I wanted some music to trim =   the trees by. Since the turntable was in the master bedroom, I thought I would disconnect it from the central receiver in the master bedroom, and connect it to the central receiver in on the living room entertainment center, as that particular system did not include a turntable. Well, to my luck there was one receptacle left on the power strip, and one =   left & right input connection on the back of the receiver labled = "Auxillary." So by this time I just knew things would work out for me. I got everything hooked up, and the entertainment center pushed back = against the wall, and I set a record onto the turntable and push the "on" button. =   Nothing happened. Well, it DID start spinning. But, nothing else moved. =   After a quick call to my grandmothers house, and getting the simply = remedy, I felt rather embarrassed, and a little stupid. So I did what she told me = to do, and and moved the arm over to the record, and pushed it down. In response, it immediately lifted itself back up, moved over to the arm = rest, and locked itself into the holder. By that time, I was getting a little annoyed. After turning the machine = off, and getting the arm unlocked I tried that about three more times, only for =   the stupid machine to do the exact oposite in return. I looked around a = bit and pushed a button labled "cueing." To my surprise, the arm = automatically lifted itself up off the rest, and moved over to the edge of the record, = and set itself down. The record was spinning, the arm was on the record, and = the needle was doing its job. But still no sound. I made sure everything was connected right, and that the central receiver = was set on Auxillary input. Then I turned the volume up all the way, and got = a small amount of sound. Enough sound to make out the song, and the melody, =   but not enough sound to enjoy the music. I spent several hours trying to make the record player work, and did not even get my Christmas Trees decorated. I have tried EVERYTHING! Pushed every button, and I KNOW its not the receiever. Does anyone have any advice? Could it be that the record = player just delivers a tiny amount of signal to the receiver? But even if it = did, the receiver has a 500 watt amplifier, shouldn't it properly amplify the sound? Any advice would help, as I am very, very dissapointed in the performance = of the record player. Thanks Josh White   --part1_16e.1788e322.2b11bb73_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Hello all!<BR> My grandmother gave me some great organ christmas records and various = other christmas records, such as the Carpenters Christmas and Bing = Crosby.&nbsp; <BR> I was also excited, because now that I had some records, I could try out = my record player, which came with my entertainment center setup that is in = the master bedroom.&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> I had never really operated a record player, as in my lifetime I have only = been exposed to CDs, and a minimal amount of tapes.&nbsp; Well, when I got = them home, I put them up and have not thought about them since.&nbsp; = Today, I decided it was time to put up the Christmas Trees, and I wanted = some music to trim the trees by.&nbsp; Since the turntable was in the master bedroom, I thought I would = disconnect it from the central receiver in the master bedroom, and connect = it to the central receiver in on the living room entertainment center, as = that particular system did not include a turntable.<BR> Well, to my luck there was one receptacle left on the power strip, and one = left &amp; right input connection on the back of the receiver labled = "Auxillary."&nbsp; So by this time I just knew things would work out for = me.&nbsp; <BR> I got everything hooked up, and the entertainment center pushed back = against the wall, and I set a record onto the turntable and push the "on" = button.&nbsp; Nothing happened.&nbsp; Well, it DID start spinning.&nbsp; = But, nothing else moved.&nbsp; After a quick call to my grandmothers = house, and getting the simply remedy, I felt rather embarrassed, and a = little stupid.&nbsp; So I did what she told me to do, and and moved the = arm over to the record, and pushed it down.&nbsp; In response, it = immediately lifted itself back up, moved over to the arm rest, and locked = itself into the holder.<BR> By that time, I was getting a little annoyed.&nbsp; After turning the = machine off, and getting the arm unlocked I tried that about three more = times, only for the stupid machine to do the exact oposite in = return.&nbsp; I looked around a bit and pushed a button labled = "cueing."&nbsp; To my surprise, the arm automatically lifted itself up off = the rest, and moved over to the edge of the record, and set itself = down.&nbsp; The record was spinning, the arm was on the record, and the = needle was doing its job.&nbsp; But still no sound.&nbsp; <BR> I made sure everything was connected right, and that the central receiver = was set on Auxillary input.&nbsp; Then I turned the volume up all the way, = and got a small amount of sound.&nbsp; Enough sound to make out the song, = and the melody, but not enough sound to enjoy the music.&nbsp; I spent = several hours trying to make the record player work, and did not even get = my Christmas Trees decorated.<BR> I have tried EVERYTHING!&nbsp; Pushed every button, and I KNOW its not the = receiever.&nbsp; Does anyone have any advice?&nbsp; Could it be that the = record player just delivers a tiny amount of signal to the receiver?&nbsp; = But even if it did, the receiver has a 500 watt amplifier, shouldn't it = properly amplify the sound?&nbsp; <BR> Any advice would help, as I am very, very dissapointed in the performance = of the record player.<BR> Thanks<BR> Josh White</FONT></HTML>   --part1_16e.1788e322.2b11bb73_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Turntables (off topic) From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 01:05:34 -0500     --------------7CBA9727F55AD8CFD3B32D39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Josh, I don't know anything about the audio system you are trying to connect to, but a turntable normally gets connected to the RCA jacks in the back of the preamplifier if you have separate components, or in the receiver if you have a combined unit. The key is pre amplification, and only the jacks labeled phono will work with a turntable. Another note is the turntable should have a control that allows it to work in either the auto mode or the manual mode. In the auto mode the turntable takes control of the stylus arm, so any attempt to move it manually will cause the turntable to take over. that is why it is returning when you try to put the arm on manually. Another important note is never "push" the arm onto the record as you will damage both the record and the stylus or "needle'. Set it down as gently as you can on the record. Hope this helps. Cheers Mike   Pologaptommy@aol.com wrote:   > Hello all! > My grandmother gave me some great organ christmas > records and various other christmas records, such as > the Carpenters Christmas and Bing Crosby. > I was also excited, because now that I had some > records, I could try out my record player, which came > with my entertainment center setup that is in the > master bedroom. > I had never really operated a record player, as in my > lifetime I have only been exposed to CDs, and a > minimal amount of tapes. Well, when I got them home, > I put them up and have not thought about them since. > Today, I decided it was time to put up the Christmas > Trees, and I wanted some music to trim the trees by. > Since the turntable was in the master bedroom, I > thought I would disconnect it from the central > receiver in the master bedroom, and connect it to the > central receiver in on the living room entertainment > center, as that particular system did not include a > turntable. > Well, to my luck there was one receptacle left on the > power strip, and one left & right input connection on > the back of the receiver labled "Auxillary." So by > this time I just knew things would work out for me. > I got everything hooked up, and the entertainment > center pushed back against the wall, and I set a > record onto the turntable and push the "on" button. > Nothing happened. Well, it DID start spinning. But, > nothing else moved. After a quick call to my > grandmothers house, and getting the simply remedy, I > felt rather embarrassed, and a little stupid. So I > did what she told me to do, and and moved the arm > over to the record, and pushed it down. In response, > it immediately lifted itself back up, moved over to > the arm rest, and locked itself into the holder. > By that time, I was getting a little annoyed. After > turning the machine off, and getting the arm unlocked > I tried that about three more times, only for the > stupid machine to do the exact oposite in return. I > looked around a bit and pushed a button labled > "cueing." To my surprise, the arm automatically > lifted itself up off the rest, and moved over to the > edge of the record, and set itself down. The record > was spinning, the arm was on the record, and the > needle was doing its job. But still no sound. > I made sure everything was connected right, and that > the central receiver was set on Auxillary input. > Then I turned the volume up all the way, and got a > small amount of sound. Enough sound to make out the > song, and the melody, but not enough sound to enjoy > the music. I spent several hours trying to make the > record player work, and did not even get my Christmas > Trees decorated. > I have tried EVERYTHING! Pushed every button, and I > KNOW its not the receiever. Does anyone have any > advice? Could it be that the record player just > delivers a tiny amount of signal to the receiver? > But even if it did, the receiver has a 500 watt > amplifier, shouldn't it properly amplify the sound? > Any advice would help, as I am very, very > dissapointed in the performance of the record player. > > Thanks > Josh White   --------------7CBA9727F55AD8CFD3B32D39 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Hi Josh, <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't know anything about the audio system you are trying to connect to, but a turntable normally gets connected to the RCA jacks in the back of the preamplifier if you have separate components, or in the receiver if you have a combined unit. The key is pre = amplification, and only the jacks labeled phono will work with a turntable. <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Another note is the turntable should have a control that allows it to work in either the auto mode or the manual mode. In the auto mode the turntable takes control of the stylus arm, so any attempt to move it manually will cause the turntable to take over. that is why it is returning when you try to put the arm on manually. Another important note is never "push" the arm onto the record as you will damage both the record and the stylus or "needle'. Set it down as gently as you can on the record. <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hope this helps. <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Cheers <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mike <p>Pologaptommy@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>Hello = all!</font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>My grandmother gave me some great organ christmas records and various other christmas records, such as the Carpenters Christmas and Bing Crosby.</font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>I was also excited, because now = that I had some records, I could try out my record player, which came with my entertainment center setup that is in the master bedroom.</font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>I had never really operated a = record player, as in my lifetime I have only been exposed to CDs, and a minimal amount of tapes.&nbsp; Well, when I got them home, I put them up and have not thought about them since.&nbsp; Today, I decided it was time to put up the Christmas Trees, and I wanted some music to trim the trees = by.&nbsp; Since the turntable was in the master bedroom, I thought I would = disconnect it from the central receiver in the master bedroom, and connect it to the central receiver in on the living room entertainment center, as that = particular system did not include a turntable.</font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>Well, to my luck there was one = receptacle left on the power strip, and one left &amp; right input connection on the back of the receiver labled "Auxillary."&nbsp; So by this time I just knew things would work out for me.</font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>I got everything hooked up, and = the entertainment center pushed back against the wall, and I set a record onto the turntable and push the "on" button.&nbsp; Nothing happened.&nbsp; = Well, it DID start spinning.&nbsp; But, nothing else moved.&nbsp; After a quick call to my grandmothers house, and getting the simply remedy, I felt = rather embarrassed, and a little stupid.&nbsp; So I did what she told me to do, and and moved the arm over to the record, and pushed it down.&nbsp; In response, it immediately lifted itself back up, moved over to the arm = rest, and locked itself into the holder.</font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>By that time, I was getting a = little annoyed.&nbsp; After turning the machine off, and getting the arm unlocked I tried that about three more times, only for the stupid machine to do the exact oposite in return.&nbsp; I looked around a bit and pushed a = button labled "cueing."&nbsp; To my surprise, the arm automatically lifted itself up off the rest, and moved over to the edge of the record, and set itself down.&nbsp; The record was spinning, the arm was on the record, and the needle was doing its job.&nbsp; But still no sound.</font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>I made sure everything was = connected right, and that the central receiver was set on Auxillary input.&nbsp; Then I turned the volume up all the way, and got a small amount of = sound.&nbsp; Enough sound to make out the song, and the melody, but not enough sound to enjoy the music.&nbsp; I spent several hours trying to make the record player work, and did not even get my Christmas Trees = decorated.</font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>I have tried EVERYTHING!&nbsp; = Pushed every button, and I KNOW its not the receiever.&nbsp; Does anyone have any advice?&nbsp; Could it be that the record player just delivers a tiny amount of signal to the receiver?&nbsp; But even if it did, the receiver has a 500 watt amplifier, shouldn't it properly amplify the = sound?</font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>Any advice would help, as I am = very, very dissapointed in the performance of the record player.</font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>Thanks</font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>Josh = White</font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------7CBA9727F55AD8CFD3B32D39--    
(back) Subject: Re: Turntables (off topic) From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:10:46 -0600   Pologaptommy@aol.com wrote: > Hello all!   > My grandmother gave me some great organ christmas records and various > other christmas records, such as the Carpenters Christmas and Bing > Crosby. > I was also excited, because now that I had some records, I could try > out my record player, which came with my entertainment center setup > that is in the master bedroom.   <snip>   > Since the turntable was in > the master bedroom, I thought I would disconnect it from the central > receiver in the master bedroom, and connect it to the central receiver > in on the living room entertainment center, as that particular system > did not include a turntable. > Well, to my luck there was one receptacle left on the power strip, and > one left & right input connection on the back of the receiver labled > "Auxillary." So by this time I just knew things would work out for > me. > I got everything hooked up, and the entertainment center pushed back > against the wall, and I set a record onto the turntable and push the > "on" button. Nothing happened.   <snip>   > But still no sound. > I made sure everything was connected right, and that the central > receiver was set on Auxillary input. <snip>   and I KNOW its not the > receiever. Does anyone have any advice? Could it be that the record > player just delivers a tiny amount of signal to the receiver? But > even if it did, the receiver has a 500 watt amplifier, shouldn't it > properly amplify the sound?   Most older Amplifiers (I'm going to give away my fossil-ness, aren't I?) had built-in Pre-Amps for Turntable cartridges, because they deliver such low power. That's why if you get one unplugged it will blow you across the room in terms of the feedback, because it's got so much gain to pick up the minuscule signal from the cartridge!   Obviously, if your Sound system came with a turntable, the Amp came with a PHONO input, rather than Auxiliary. They are NOT synonymous.   If you want to use the Phono in the Living Room, you will prolly have to obtain a Pre-Amp in order to boost the signal to work in that application/arrangement. Similar for what happens when you try to make a phonograph work on the input of a sound card on your computer.   Ray Kimber wrote this in an unrelated posting but it bears repeating for your situation:   > Most turntables will have a cartridge of the (MM) Moving Magnet type. = There > are other types of cartridges, such as ceramic, moving coil and strain > gauge, but it would be unusual to have one these and NOT already know = the > difference. > > Anyway, back to hooking up a MM cartridge. Records are recorded with > equalization called an RIAA curve, during mastering the treble is = boosted > and the bass reduced. This helps overcome the natural high frequency = noise > associated with records (LPs), and the reduction of bass allows the = grooves > to be placed closer together for longer playing time. (Along with other > advantages like easier to design needles and less wear due to decreased > excursion) > > So..., on playback the preamp must not only amplify the signal of the > cartridge it must also provide a reverse EQ curve, i.e. boosting the = bass > and lowering the treble. If you plug a MM turntable into a mic pre-amp = the > sound will have hardly any low frequency, but you won't hurt anything. = What > is risky is to plug a mike into a TT input, the extra bass has damaged = many > a driver. > > Make sure the preamp is for phono use and it will work with the line = inputs > of sound cards, with the right connector adaptors, if needed. This will > also work to use a TT with a modern home amplifier that might not have a > phono (TT) input, just use the CD or any aux input. > Ray Kimber   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL    
(back) Subject: Re: a young man's lament From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 04:04:57 EST     --part1_189.1165703f.2b11f039_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   oh come on now--your technique could be as good as anyones with = determination.     --part1_189.1165703f.2b11f039_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>oh come on now--your = technique could be as good as anyones with determination. <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_189.1165703f.2b11f039_boundary--