PipeChat Digest #3261 - Wednesday, November 27, 2002
 
Music for Childrens' Carol Service
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Re: Karg-Elert
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Re: Music for Childrens' Carol Service
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
RE: Turntables (off topic)
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
RE: pipe organ christmas carol music
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: Music for Children's Carol Service
  by "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@email.msn.com>
RE: Sunday's Music
  by "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@email.msn.com>
Re: Music for Children's Carol Service
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Re: a young man's lament
  by "John Mackey" <johnmackey@mindspring.com>
Looking for a practice organ?
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
RE: Karg-Elert
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
RE: Sunday's Music
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
 

(back) Subject: Music for Childrens' Carol Service From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:05:23 -0000   I shall be playing for a (ages 5 to 11) childrens' Christmas carol service (in our church) and would welcome any suggestions for pre and post service music.   I am told that childrens' voices are (surprisingly) pitched somewhat lower than an adult soprano voice - can any one comment on this.   Please opine - thanks   Bruce Miles    
(back) Subject: Re: Karg-Elert From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:40:09 -0000   Jonathan,   My copy (in Breitkopf Edition 8266) is headed 'Marche Triomphale' also 'with festive brilliancy, broad but not too slow' - I'm pretty sure these are the composers original instructions.which just about sums it up. About MM=3D104 seems about right - perhaps a bit faster in a dead room. Not much rubato - keep the steady march rhythm going until the very end.   There are quite detailed registration and other instructions for a three manual organ in this (original ?) version - your best bet would be to beg borrow or steal a copy and modify it for what you've got.   Bruce Miles     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan" <jhumbert@ptd.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:19 AM Subject: Karg-Elert     Dear list,   A request for the collective knowledge of this list. I plan on playing = the Karg-Elert Nun danket for a Thanksgiving Day (yes, Thanksgiving Day) = service on Thursday for the postlude (I have the G. Schirmer edition). I have no recordings of this piece and would like some technical help with it (any offerings will be very helpful). First off, how fast (or slow) is appropriate for this piece (I tend to play it with a liberal amount of rubato)? What kind of registration (and changes) do you use at the first manual change (8th measure)? Also what kind of registration is used for = the manuals only section (my third page)? I have a 2 manual (Rodgers if you must know) in a fiercely dead room. I take it from jb's post that I have been correct in, at least eventually, pulling out all the stops. Any = other suggestions or techniques on this piece would be welcomed. Thanks so = much.   Regards, Jonathan Humbert, Organist Word of Life Chapel Bainbridge, PA    
(back) Subject: Re: Music for Childrens' Carol Service From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 06:09:58 -0500   Hey, Bruce,   I would disagree with the range remark. One of the problems in teaching children to sing is that our culture provides the "pop" singer or "crooner" model, where the range is low and uses the lower adjustment (chest voice) exclusively. People bend to that and pitch children's music too low, in my opinion. Trying to hear kids sing middle C, the B-flat or A below that because the song is pitched too low drives me bananas, yet I've heard children's choirs in churches do that time after time.   While I'd say that no, children's voices can't sing a high soprano A or B-flat the way an adult soprano can (and probably this would not occur in any reasonable carol key), you really shouldn't worry too much about range. If it's in a congregational key, the children will be fine... you might raise it a little if you find a lot of notes at Middle C or lower.   Chuck Peery Cincinnati     On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 05:05 AM, Bruce Miles wrote:   > I shall be playing for a (ages 5 to 11) childrens' Christmas carol > service > (in our church) and would welcome any suggestions for pre and post > service > music. > > I am told that childrens' voices are (surprisingly) pitched somewhat > lower > than an adult soprano voice - can any one comment on this. > > Please opine - thanks > > Bruce Miles > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: RE: Turntables (off topic) From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:36:45 -0800   >Most decent receivers are set up to connect to a tape recorder. The Line >Output >ports are at the correct level. Just connect to the Line In port on >the sound card, and use DART CD recorder and you are done. You can avoid = the >cost of the preamp and the quality is likely to be better. > >Jon Roussos >Who suddenly feels very old with a massive number of LPs, many of which I >bought new.   Jon, I don't think you read me correctly: the problem is not with the OUTPUT of the receiver, it is that it appears to be missing that INPUT which boosts the phono signal out of the millivolt level. The receiver OUTPUT has nothing to do with that. Using an out board pre-amp hooked to the AUX INPUT will take care of it and yes then you can use tape OUTPUT.   John V  
(back) Subject: RE: pipe organ christmas carol music From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:10:37 -0600   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C2955D.F9B48650 Content-Type: text/plain   Dan:     The Christmas at Trinity CD from Trinity Church, Wall Street, in New York made in mid-2001 is a winner. It's available from the church or from OHS. The fabulous IV/175 Aeolian-Skinner, now silent, is heard to great effect.     Peter     -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Neill [mailto:djneill@kih.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:27 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: pipe organ christmas carol music     Hi all,   I am looking for good Christmas carol hymns sung to pipe organ music. If anyone has any recommendations of CD's, old or new, I would love to hear = it.     Thanks,   Dan     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C2955D.F9B48650 Content-Type: text/html   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html>   <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii">     <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)">   <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style>   </head>   <body bgcolor=3Dwhite lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple>   <div class=3DSection1>   <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dan:</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The Christmas at Trinity CD from = </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>Trinity</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> = </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>Church</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>, Wall Street, in = </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>New York</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> made in mid-2001 = is a winner.&nbsp; It's available from the church or from OHS.&nbsp; The = fabulous IV/175 Aeolian-Skinner, now silent, is heard to great effect.</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Peter</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original = Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Daniel Neill [mailto:djneill@kih.net] <br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, November 26, = 2002 3:27 AM<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> = pipechat@pipechat.org<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> pipe organ christmas carol music</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <div>   <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi all,</span></font></p>   </div>   <div>   <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am looking for good = Christmas carol hymns sung to pipe organ music.&nbsp; If anyone has any = recommendations of CD's, old or new, I would love to hear it.</span></font></p>   </div>   <div>   <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   </div>   <div>   <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks,</span></font></p>   </div>   <div>   <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Dan</span></font></p>   </div>   </div>   </body>   </html>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C2955D.F9B48650--  
(back) Subject: RE: Music for Children's Carol Service From: "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@email.msn.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:20:29 -0500   My primary responsibility in my current position is Children's Music...I = see 90 singers per week in our after-school choir program.   You can expect, with more "mature" (for lack of a better word) voices, say 3rd grade-6th grade, a decent soprano g#-a with some training.   Bruce--are you looking for organ service music or carols for the children = to sing? I'll be happy to offer suggestions for either.   FWIW, Mark   Mark L. Hopper Organist/Music Associate First Baptist Church Henderson, NC markhopper@ncol.net    
(back) Subject: RE: Sunday's Music From: "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@email.msn.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:24:13 -0500   Well, our interim minister decided that Christ the King Sunday would take = a back seat to baptism Sunday. I still played some decent music, though.   Prelude-Christ the Lord to Jordan Came (from Clavierubung III) - Bach   Postlude - Now Thank We All Our God - Karg-Elert   The only observance of Christ the King was in the white paraments and the heading at the top of the Worship Order, unfortunately.     Mark L. Hopper Organist/Music Associate First Baptist Church Henderson, NC markhopper@ncol.net      
(back) Subject: Re: Music for Children's Carol Service From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:57:50 -0000   Mark,   These will be children (with some parents and other adults) from two rural schools with not much musical training. The carols have yet to be chosen by our = Minister (the school staff may have some input here) but I expect they will be the well known ones and from our usual congregational hymn book (Hymns and Psalms - the UK Methodists' book). The question really was - should I need to transpose any of them ?   The suggestions wanted for music were for pre and post service music.   Bruce       ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@email.msn.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:20 PM Subject: RE: Music for Children's Carol Service     > My primary responsibility in my current position is Children's Music...I see > 90 singers per week in our after-school choir program. > > You can expect, with more "mature" (for lack of a better word) voices, = say > 3rd grade-6th grade, a decent soprano g#-a with some training. > > Bruce--are you looking for organ service music or carols for the = children to > sing? I'll be happy to offer suggestions for either. > > FWIW, > Mark > > Mark L. Hopper > Organist/Music Associate > First Baptist Church > Henderson, NC > markhopper@ncol.net > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: a young man's lament From: "John Mackey" <johnmackey@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:19:04 -0500       "Tiseo, Paul (PSC)" wrote: > > Hi Alan, > > To answer your questions - I currently work as a customer service rep = for > Volkswagen.   Wow!!! You and I have much in common my friend. For 22 years, I listened to automotive customers complaining about everything from squeaky brakes to Phantom rattles!!! I was a service advisor for a Volvo dealership (Volvo, by the way, is the "Austin" of car makers... they last forever but, aren't that exciting). Well, here's a tidbit from my personal organ journey.   I was raised as a presbyterian (very plain & straightforward worship). I still marvel at how Presbyterians & Quakers, etc... can study christ & worship in such a simple manner. However, I always seems to identify with Episcopalians (My father was born in Ireland and was raised protestant, Church of Ireland) and whenever I attended an Episcopal service, It came alive for me. (I mean, if you are going to worship GOD, shouldn't you do it in a big way???). Well, being now hooked on smells & bells, I started searching until, on day, I stumbled onto a church, which was "tucked" in between an sro (Hooker Hotel) and topless bar...   THE CHURCH OF SAINT MARY THE VIRGIN...     Even though it lay silent during my visit (a thursday afternoon in summer), there was a certain energy to the place. Upon entering the edifice, I instinctively walked half-way down the center isle and, about-faced. There, almost hanging on the rear wall was a large pipe organ, Ugly to the uninformed but tantalizing to the inquisitive. I made a mental note that this place should be investigated and then proceeded on with my life. Some months later, I decided to go back the "SMV" for midnight mass at Christmas and was delighted and shocked to enter a full church a full hour before mass...   What happened next was nothing short of amazing. For the next three (3) hours, I was soaked in CHRIST though music and word. It is an experience which I will never forget and, it set the stage for my mid-life transition.   Many years have come an gone since my personal transformation at "SMV". I have quite working in the automotive industry, moved to Hartford, Worked for AUSTIN for 1-1/2 years, enrolled as a Music Major, got divorced, gave up my big, beautiful new house for a small basement apartment. But, I felt it was right for me.   Paul, If you decide to devote your life to the organ, it will probably be bittersweet. Think about it carefully. There are many things that I miss from my former life but, this was something that I had to do.   Peace,   John M  
(back) Subject: Looking for a practice organ? From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:21:47 EST     --part1_ad.26dcb72b.2b1507ab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Chatters:   I've seen the gamut of suggestions: only a pipe organ will do, get some keyboards with sampling equipment and add a pedalboard etc. For most, the space limitations dictate that pipes are out of the question. Well how about that pedalboard? Well, required is a Rube Goldberg course in electronics, and some hard earned dollars, dead ends, and a will to survive. What about a bench? Will it be to AGO specs. and comfortable to play on? Probably not. For most people, the solution seems to be most practical to buy a recycled organ, in good condition, 20 to 25 years old of which there are many. Look for self contained speakers in the console, perhaps with a factory reverberation unit. Custom models although cheap, also gobble up a lot of room. Black Beauty may not be a good choice for an appartment or the average living room. It's large components preclude that. The same goes for TC 4's 5's and 6's. The most useful to consider would be Allen 120, 121, 122, or 123, 124 or 125's or Rodgers 75, 100, 110 33C 33B etc. as the speakers are self contained. Later models too. Make sure all the notes play, and that you could live with the = specification. Remember the seller always thinks their organ is always worth more than it really is, so shop around. Don't buy a theatre model if you really want to play classic organ music just to have an organ. These are the practical choices for most people. Consider an Estey church reed organ, in good condition. Note they are extremely heavy though. Get a = professional mover to pick up and deliver any of these.   Got room? A Foreward three or four by Wicks, A Moeller Artiste, A Martini, A Kilgen ensemble, A Reuter unit organ, and a whole host of others. Be ready also for necessary costly repairs, maintanence, tuning, and releathering. Some require more work than others. Take a trusted pipe organ tech with you to look them over. Take their advice. Bankroll needed 10-50K range.   Considering all of the above, you also need to find a a good teacher, and work at learning to play the King of Instruments. What ever you decide, don't buy blind on Ebay.   Ron Severin   --part1_ad.26dcb72b.2b1507ab_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Dear Chatters:<BR> <BR> I've seen the gamut of suggestions: only a pipe organ will do, <BR> get some keyboards with sampling equipment and add a <BR> pedalboard etc. For most, the space limitations dictate that<BR> pipes are out of the question. Well how about that pedalboard?<BR> Well, required is a Rube Goldberg course in electronics, and<BR> some hard earned dollars, dead ends, and a will to survive. What<BR> about a bench? Will it be to AGO specs. and comfortable to<BR> play on? Probably not. For most people, the solution seems to<BR> be most practical to buy a recycled organ, in good condition,<BR> 20 to 25 years old of which there are many. Look for self contained<BR> speakers in the console, perhaps with a factory reverberation unit.<BR> Custom models although cheap, also gobble up a lot of room.<BR> Black Beauty may not be a good choice for an appartment or<BR> the average living room. It's large components preclude that. The<BR> same goes for TC 4's 5's and 6's. The most useful to consider would<BR> be Allen 120, 121, 122, or 123, 124 or 125's or Rodgers 75, 100, 110<BR> 33C 33B etc. as the speakers are self contained. Later models too.<BR> Make sure all the notes play, and that you could live with the = specification.<BR> Remember the seller always thinks their organ is always worth more<BR> than it really is, so shop around. Don't buy a theatre model if you = really<BR> want to play classic organ music just to have an organ. These are the<BR> practical choices for most people. Consider an Estey church reed = organ,<BR> in good condition. Note they are extremely heavy though. Get a professional<BR> mover to pick up and deliver any of these.<BR> <BR> Got room? A Foreward three or four by Wicks, A Moeller Artiste, <BR> A Martini, A Kilgen ensemble, A Reuter unit organ, and a whole host<BR> of others. Be ready also for necessary costly repairs, maintanence,<BR> tuning, and releathering. Some require more work than others. Take<BR> a trusted pipe organ tech with you to look them over. Take their<BR> advice. Bankroll needed 10-50K range.<BR> <BR> Considering all of the above, you also need to find a a good teacher,<BR> and work at learning to play the King of Instruments. What ever you<BR> decide, don't buy blind on Ebay.<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ad.26dcb72b.2b1507ab_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Karg-Elert From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:46:24 -0600   Didn't Felix Hell record the "Nun danket" at the Newark Basilica? If I recall correctly, he played it at the same pace I did - moderately.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: RE: Sunday's Music From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:46:24 -0600   Beau, you're the first person I've found that plays the Purvis "Thanksgiving". I've never heard that particular one of the Four Prayers - wish you could hum a few bars for me.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com