PipeChat Digest #3158 - Thursday, October 3, 2002
 
Re: Questions of distortion
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
"W" and Education
  by "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net>
"W" and education
  by "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net>
Re: "W" and Education
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Colin's Remarks on Organ Builders and Costs
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Fisk Opus 101 - Southern Methodist Univ.
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Cage and "talent"
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Len Rawle Plays Rochester Wurlitzer on Oct. 19. (cross-posted)
  by "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
Re: Cage and "talent"
  by <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
RE: Questions about Mulet
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: Leathering lips
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Cage--ENOUGH, already!
  by <Robert_Lind@cch.com>
AIO Convention - Friday Oct 5 Concert
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net>
Re: Intermodulation Distortion
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Fisk Opus 101 - Southern Methodist Univ.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Rodgers buys out Stinkens
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: Rodgers buys out Stinkens
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Rodgers buys out Stinkens
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
RE: Questions about Mulet
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Questions about Mulet
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Rodgers buys out Stinkens
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: Bach echoes/dialogues
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: "W" and Education
  by <JerryM8319@aol.com>
Re: "W" and Education
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Questions of distortion From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 07:12:03 -0500   I have been in the audience and on the bench of both Fisk 100 at the = Meyerson and Fisk 101 at SMU. I have certainly never heard any distortion at either - = quite the contrary. At full organ the sound is huge, but not oppressive. Both = are thrilling instruments. My main personal impression is that although the = Meyerson is a wonderful organ to listen to and play - the SMU organ is more = exciting to play. In fact, I think it is the most exciting organ I have ever listened = to from the bench. The Meyerson is so big and in a big room, so that the = sound speaks to the room and the organist is kind of buried at the bottom of it = all. The SMU organ surrounds the organist - you are practically sitting in the = case - and as someone mentioned, the room is wide and shallow, which makes the = sound fill the whole room quickly and come back to you off the back wall with = virtually full force. So, if you ever want to get that incredible megalomaniac = sense of power and feel that with just one more stop you could "bring the house = down" - go to the SMU organ and "pull out all the stops". Brrruuu-ha-ha-ha.   Margo    
(back) Subject: "W" and Education From: "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 07:37:03 -0500   > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3116389024_105844_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   Good Morning:   The following was waiting for me when I turned on the Imac this AM.   Go to:   http://www.BushCartoon.com/gx/curiousgeorge.jpg   TG -- Thomas and Patricia Gregory 716 West College Avenue Waukesha WI USA 53186-4569   --MS_Mac_OE_3116389024_105844_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>&quot;W&quot; and Education</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY BGCOLOR=3D3D"#FFFFFF"> Good Morning:<BR> <BR> The following was waiting for me when I turned on the Imac this AM.<BR> <BR> Go to:<BR> <BR> <FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#0000FF"><U>http://www.BushCartoon.com/gx/curiousgeorge.jpg<BR= =3D > <BR> </U></FONT>TG<BR> -- <BR> Thomas and Patricia Gregory<BR> 716 West College Avenue<BR> Waukesha WI &nbsp;USA<BR> 53186-4569<BR> </BODY> </HTML>   --MS_Mac_OE_3116389024_105844_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: "W" and education From: "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 07:38:14 -0500   > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3116389095_110115_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   Good Morning:   The following was waiting for me in our email when I turned on the = computer this AM.   Thought you might appreciate it.   Go to:   http://www.BushCartoon.com/gx/curiousgeorge.jpg     TG -- Thomas and Patricia Gregory 716 West College Avenue Waukesha WI USA 53186-4569   --MS_Mac_OE_3116389095_110115_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>&quot;W&quot; and education</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY BGCOLOR=3D3D"#FFFFFF"> Good Morning:<BR> <BR> The following was waiting for me in our email when I turned on the = computer=3D this AM.<BR> <BR> Thought you might appreciate it.<BR> <BR> Go to:<BR> <BR> <FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#0000FF"><U>http://www.BushCartoon.com/gx/curiousgeorge.jpg<BR= =3D > </U></FONT><BR> <BR> TG<BR> -- <BR> Thomas and Patricia Gregory<BR> 716 West College Avenue<BR> Waukesha WI &nbsp;USA<BR> 53186-4569<BR> </BODY> </HTML>   --MS_Mac_OE_3116389095_110115_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: Re: "W" and Education From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:13:12 EDT   In a message dated 10/2/02 8:38:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tgregory@speeddial.net writes:   << The following was waiting for me when I turned on the Imac this AM. Go to: http://www.BushCartoon.com/gx/curiousgeorge.jpg >>   At least the child had the book the right side up.  
(back) Subject: Colin's Remarks on Organ Builders and Costs From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:08:12 -0500   Intersting post, Colin. My understanding (and my limited experience) suggests that organbuilders in the US are quite cooperative and cordial to one another.   As for builders using skills for other areas, Wicks has built (and probably still does) fine office furniture and clocks when organ building slows. According to their website, they also deal in fine woods and in some sort of aircraft parts. Maybe they're still building ultralights.   Dennis Steckley   Ich liebe meine Katzen *********************************   Fourthly, think AROUND the situation.....there are so many skills an organ-builder has to offer to other craftsmen. Quality furniture production springs to mind or, perhaps better still, importing ready made, part-finished furniture from China and Europe (Albania, Romania etc) and finishing it well. I think Steinmeyer ended up making furniture!   However, Sebastian perhaps makes the greatest point of all....that of mutual respect and encouragement in a situation amounting to decline. If organ-builder co-operated and communicated, they could work wonders in cutting costs.   Colin Mitchell UK      
(back) Subject: Fisk Opus 101 - Southern Methodist Univ. From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:45:39 -0500       > This reminds me of a funny thing that happened at my church some years = ago. One > Sunday morning, there was a terrible buzzing sound coming from the organ = - I felt > sure we had blown a speaker. Even though we don't have a pipe organ, = the > building was built with a full size organ chamber, which contains the = organ and > sound system speakers. Someone decided that all that extra space was a = perfect > place to store costumes from a children's program - in a box right = behind a large > speaker - still on their wire coat hangers! zzzzzzzing! > > Margo > > Carl Schwartz wrote: > > > What an amazing discussion! I don't know the organ personally but = perhaps > > the complaint arose because something in the room or organ was = rattling! Such > > a thing can sound like "distortion" and it happens all the time. > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Cage and "talent" From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:47:09 -0500   Let's also remember the context of the concepts that Cage was working with. This was a time when composers were experimenting with organizing music based on other elements than tonality and melody. Cage comes along and begins to also take away the composer's control over the product with "Chance" music. Pieces like HPSCHD - where he gives the performers measures and phrases and segments of music - but it is the performer's choice at the whim of the moment to decide what order to play them in. Then he took this one step farther and took the control away from the performer in pieces like the one that calls for "performers" with 5 radios - all tuned to different stations which are turned on and off - and whatever happens to be on at the time is what plays. Then the ultimate "experiment" in this genre - 4'33" - not of silence - but of whatever sound happens to take place in the room during the time frame - the hum of the air conditioner, planes going overhead with another pitch, the rhythm of someone tapping their foot or keys or change in their pocket, etc.   And what this whole aleatory movement did was free up the minds of composers that they did not have to write everything in definable letter name structures (like ABA) with cadences and traditional already defined instruments with keys and cadences and every note and every aspect of the performance prescribed in the score.   No - Cage is not Beethoven or Bach - he didn't write melodies you go home humming or great works that you listen to again and again and never cease to find newness. But he was the leader of an idea that redefined the role of composer, performer, and audience - and it opened many doors for the expansion of 20th century musical thought. And if you ever get a chance to go to a concert that includes one of his chance pieces - they really can be fun - if you just let go of your expectations and get into the surprise of seeing what the result will turn out to be. (One of my favorites is the pieces for 5 vacuum cleaners - they really do all have different pitch, you know - and their pitch changes as they move around - it can get really fun if the "players" are creative in their "cleaning" patterns.)   To get this in a organ context - I guess we do a little "chance" music ourselves when we let go of careful planning and turn over part of the a worship service to let the congregation call out the numbers of the hymns they want to sing. Or how about some of those praise-chorus style songs for children where they get to make up the words to each verse on the spot.... Or how about when you improvise, but you let someone in the audience pick the theme. They are all elements of chance that neither the composer or the performer has any control over. Cage just took that idea and ran with it to its extremes.   Margo  
(back) Subject: Len Rawle Plays Rochester Wurlitzer on Oct. 19. (cross-posted) From: "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:56:03 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0061_01C26A13.1093CDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   The Rochester Theater Organ Society is proud to present England's Len =3D Rawle for his eighth performance on our Wurlitzer 4/22. This event will = =3D take place at 8 p.m. on Saturday, October 19th in Rochester's Auditorium = =3D Center, 875 East Main St. Tickets at only $10 each will go on sale at =3D the Box Office one hour before the concert.   Len Rawle is famous for his use of the organ's tonal palette to paint =3D wonderful musical arrangements. He has been called the "Rembrandt of the = =3D Organ" for his mastery of this technique.   Travel directions, biographical information on Len Rawle, pictures, =3D general information on the Society and its membership advantages plus =3D much more are available on http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ .=3D20   We hope that you will be able to join us for this wonderful evening of =3D theater pipe organ entertainment at its finest!   Regards, Ken Evans, RTOS Director (past-President)   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0061_01C26A13.1093CDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The Rochester Theater Organ Society = is =3D proud to=3D20 present England's Len Rawle for his eighth performance on our = Wurlitzer=3D20 4/22.&nbsp; This event will take place at 8 p.m. on Saturday, October =3D 19th in=3D20 Rochester's Auditorium Center, 875 East Main St. Tickets at only $10 =3D each will=3D20 go on sale at the Box Office&nbsp;one hour&nbsp;before the =3D concert.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Len Rawle is famous for his use of = the =3D organ's=3D20 tonal palette to&nbsp;paint&nbsp;wonderful musical arrangements. He has = =3D been=3D20 called the "Rembrandt of the Organ" for his mastery of this=3D20 technique.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Travel directions, biographical =3D information on Len=3D20 Rawle, pictures, general information on the Society and its = membership=3D20 advantages plus much more are available on <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/">http://theatreorgans.com/roch= =3D estr/</A>=3D20 ..&nbsp;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>We hope that you will be able to join = =3D us for this=3D20 wonderful evening of theater pipe&nbsp;organ entertainment at its=3D20 finest!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Regards, Ken Evans, RTOS = Director=3D20 (past-President)</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0061_01C26A13.1093CDC0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Cage and "talent" From: <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 12:41:51 -0500   At 10:47 AM 10/2/2002 -0500, Margo wrote: <snip> > Then the ultimate "experiment" in this genre - >4'33" - >not of silence - but of whatever sound happens to take place in the room >during the time frame - the hum of the air conditioner, planes going >overhead with another pitch, the rhythm of someone tapping their foot or >keys or change in their pocket, etc. <snip>   OOPS......!   In this modern "age of communication", such random room noise would inevitably include a cellphone or two ringing.......   and with the wide variety of 'novelty-tune' ringing tones available in the =   phones these days..........   Oh, no. Here we go around with the copyright thingie discussion again........! <groan, wink, giggle>   ;-) Tim (who better get his tongue back outta his cheek before I go eat lunch!)        
(back) Subject: RE: Questions about Mulet From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:00:59 -0400   Glenda asks:   >>Stupid question - of which basilica are you speaking, Paul?   I replied:   > Sacre-Coeur, Paris (as I had mentioned parenthetically). The = architecture is more-or-less Byzantine. My explanation must have been in keeping :-)   I just noticed in Webster's Third International dictionary that the second definition of "Byzantinism" is:   "The doctrine or system of state supremacy in ecclesiastical affairs." If not quite the opposite of ultramontanism, it is at least inconsistent with it.... unless one takes the French protective occupation of Rome to imply the French government's controlling the papacy, as is certainly = conceivable, and the withdrawal of these troops to be a surrender of this control, regretted by those who called for this church to be built. In this case there could be a Byzantine hidden agenda under the guise of = ultramontanism. (I gather that one of them was an official of the government.)   There is, anyway, that curious irony, deliberate or not, in erecting a building in the Byzantine style to celebrate Papal infallibility. We = sorta repeated this irony here in Washington D.C. with the Byzantine National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, commemorating another dogma emitted = by Pius IX. I hope that it doesn't destroy my thesis.              
(back) Subject: Re: Leathering lips From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:34:31 -0500   If you leather those lips, be prepared to open wind ways and close toes to a degree, and boost wind pressure. Also count on the loss of attack tone...or the "ta" as we call it. Pipes will "woo" for you. It sounds as though you are trying to combine competing tonal/voicing philosophies here. Put your leather and glue away. There is nothing wrong with knicking pipes and closing toes a bit for control. Also, the cut up dimension of the pipe is critical in tonal make up. To low and you have nothing but a bunch of quintes, squealing like pigs....too high and it will sound like wool. Principals will become flutes, flues will become noise.     Just my thoughts...biased as they might be <G>.   Jon Bertschinger  
(back) Subject: Cage--ENOUGH, already! From: <Robert_Lind@cch.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:47:11 -0500       Sometimes when irritated and frustrated, I resort to limericks. This = subject has gone on way past my patience, and I see no end in sight, so caveat reader:   I wish we could all disengage From further remarks about Cage. May his work silent be Way beyond four-three-three And the organ brought back from off stage.   Thank you, Robert Lind      
(back) Subject: AIO Convention - Friday Oct 5 Concert From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:02:48 -0700   Anyone going?   I'll be at the Felix Hell Concert Friday if some of y'all want to meet before for dinner or afterwards for coffee....     Jonathan Orwig   --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 09/19/2002      
(back) Subject: Re: Intermodulation Distortion From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:21:46 EDT     --part1_173.fa8db7b.2acca14a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In pondering this distortion issue, I do recall experiencing what appeared = to be distortion at St. John's Cathedral in Jacksonville, Florida. The room = is low and the floor is marble. The occasion was lessons and carols and I = was sitting in the first pew in the nave. This is one of the loudest = organs I've ever heard (Austin 3/60+, c. 1985). I have had this feeling = several times when attending services at the cathedral, but only when sitting in = the front of the nave. When standing against the west wall, I don't = experience the distortion, but I do still feel the organ is too loud for comfort.     Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_173.fa8db7b.2acca14a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In pondering this = distortion issue, I do recall experiencing what appeared to be distortion = at St. John's Cathedral in Jacksonville, Florida. &nbsp;&nbsp;The room is = low and the floor is marble. &nbsp;The occasion was lessons and carols and = I was sitting &nbsp;in the first pew in the nave. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is one of the loudest organs I've ever heard = (Austin 3/60+, c. 1985). &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have had this feeling several = times when attending services at the cathedral, but only when sitting in = the front of the nave. &nbsp;&nbsp;When standing against the west wall, I = don't experience the distortion, but I do still feel the organ is too loud = for comfort. <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_173.fa8db7b.2acca14a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Fisk Opus 101 - Southern Methodist Univ. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:36:43 EDT     --part1_26.2ea8ec6b.2acca4cb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/2/02 11:39:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dillardm@airmail.net writes:     > > This reminds me of a funny thing that happened at my church some years =   > ago. One > > Sunday morning, there was a terrible buzzing sound coming from the = organ   I remember when the Civic Auditorium in Jacksonville was completed there = was a complaint by the orchestra conductor of a squeak in the AC system. = After much investigation a lonely cricket was discovered in the top level of the =   balcony. Talk about good acoustics!   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_26.2ea8ec6b.2acca4cb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/2/02 11:39:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dillardm@airmail.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">&gt; This reminds = me of a funny thing that happened at my church some years ago. &nbsp;One <BR>&gt; Sunday morning, there was a terrible buzzing sound coming from = the organ </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I remember when the Civic Auditorium in Jacksonville was completed = there was a complaint by the orchestra conductor of a squeak in the AC = system. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;After much investigation a lonely cricket was = discovered in the top level of the balcony. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Talk about = good acoustics! <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_26.2ea8ec6b.2acca4cb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Rodgers buys out Stinkens From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:51:35 -0400   Did anyone notice a very small article in the AO a few months ago = concerning Rodgers buying-out J. Stinkens pipe makers? In this months AO there is an advertisement concerning a "partnership" between Pinchi organ builders of Folignio, Italy and Rodgers. I understand that Stinkens has had their flue pipes built in Italy for = some years now while remaining a Netherlands based company. Can anyone comment, correct or direct concerning the above? AjM      
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers buys out Stinkens From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:53:44 EDT   Just got this message in my mailbox, opened it, and it nearly destroyed my =   computer. Anybody have the same experience?  
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers buys out Stinkens From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:09:32 -0400   At 03:51 PM 10/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Did anyone notice a very small article in the AO a few months ago = concerning >Rodgers buying-out J. Stinkens pipe makers? >In this months AO there is an advertisement concerning a "partnership" >between Pinchi organ builders of Folignio, Italy and Rodgers. >I understand that Stinkens has had their flue pipes built in Italy for = some >years now while remaining a Netherlands based company. >Can anyone comment, correct or direct concerning the above? >AjM > Andrew,   Does this mean silicone based pipes. What is happening in this world.   Cheers,   Arie V.    
(back) Subject: RE: Questions about Mulet From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:52:18 -0500   Stupid me - and I thought Byzantine meant "of the style of Byzantium" - at least, that's what I thought Yeats was talking about.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Emmons, Paul   I just noticed in Webster's Third International dictionary that the second definition of "Byzantinism" is:   "The doctrine or system of state supremacy in ecclesiastical affairs." If not quite the opposite of ultramontanism, it is at least inconsistent with it.... unless one takes the French protective occupation of Rome to imply the French government's controlling the papacy, as is certainly conceivable, and the withdrawal of these troops to be a surrender of this control, regretted by those who called for this church to be built. In this case there could be a Byzantine hidden agenda under the guise of ultramontanism. (I gather that one of them was an official of the government.)   There is, anyway, that curious irony, deliberate or not, in erecting a building in the Byzantine style to celebrate Papal infallibility. We sorta repeated this irony here in Washington D.C. with the Byzantine National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, commemorating another dogma emitted by Pius IX. I hope that it doesn't destroy my thesis.          
(back) Subject: Re: Questions about Mulet From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:54:15 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 1:00 PM Subject: RE: Questions about Mulet     > > I just noticed in Webster's Third International dictionary that the = second > definition of "Byzantinism" is: > > "The doctrine or system of state supremacy in ecclesiastical affairs   I had always thought that was called Erastianism.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers buys out Stinkens From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:30:23 -0500   Arie: it means Rodgers of the U.K...the pipe maker I believe....   LOL   Jon  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach echoes/dialogues From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:56:23 -0500   Somehow or another, I missed this post Glenda. I could use a martini right now. I broke a tooth in my sleep Sunday night, and have been fighting it all week long. Now with swollen gum and cheek, I can hardly stand to even drink. Surgery on Friday it seems.   btw. my dad's recipe for the best damned martini on the planet.   large chilled glass pitcher. bottle of fav. vermouth best gin (or vodka) very large green olives.   pour vermouth into pitcher and swirl around.....don't handle pitcher too much or it will warm up. empty ALL vermouth back into bottle. pour in contents of gin bottle into each serving glass put two large olives, and two drops olive juice toss into pitcher a few ice cubes and immediately strain into serving glasses...   it is essential to do all this exactly as noted above....voila! le martini magnifique!   now where did I put those damn pain pills....   going to bed now.   Jon  
(back) Subject: Re: "W" and Education From: <JerryM8319@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:56:46 EDT   Just the facts please.....   George W. Bush graduated from both Yale AND Harvard with A's and B's.   Albert Gore Jr. earned C's and D's and flunked out of one institution of higher learning.  
(back) Subject: Re: "W" and Education From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:00:17 -0500   And what does this have to do with Pipe organs or music?   gawd....no politics here please....   Jon Bertschinger