PipeChat Digest #3175 - Monday, October 14, 2002
 
New Mander Organ
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: New Mander Organ
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
New Peachtree Road Mander Organ
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Johannus specifications
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
Re: silence is golden
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: silence is golden
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: New Mander Organ
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: silence is golden
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: silence is golden
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: silence is golden
  by "r" <basset3@hvc.rr.com>
Re: silence is golden
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: silence is golden
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: New Mander Organ
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: silence is golden
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: New Mander Organ
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: New Mander Organ From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:10:48 EDT     --part1_121.189b1b3e.2adc0e48_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   List,   I read the link from PRUMC about their pipe organs. I love the statement = to the effect that they realized that a new organ was necessary to "visually" =   [emphasis mine] and tonally augment the sanctuary. They are getting a beautiful new pipe organ for their sanctuary, the present organ (a gift = from a family years ago) will be moved to the chapel while incorporating a few = of its ranks in the new organ. The chapel organ will be moved to the choir practice room. Geeeeeeeeeee! How many churches have pipe organs in their =   choir's practice room?!?!?   Bruce commented that he's played many a small pipe organ that seems to be tonally compromised (my paraphrase), but that rarely does he not find something unworthy in the organ. I just wonder - apologizing to pipe = organ builders - how it is more cost-effective to entirely replace a "well functioning" pipe organ with a new one (at a cost of $500K - $1M) instead = of revoicing the present one and replacing certain ranks if an organ needs to = be made more "artistic". I really direct these comments to churches, not concert halls. I would think that the priorities would be different = between organs built to enhance and lead worship and those designed for concerts. <A HREF=3D"http://www.prumc.org/otherev.html"> New Mander Organ</A> http://www.prumc.org/otherev.html   Sincerely, Keith Zimmerman   --part1_121.189b1b3e.2adc0e48_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">List,<BR> <BR> I read the link from PRUMC about their pipe organs.&nbsp; I love the = statement to the effect that they realized that a new organ was necessary = to "visually" [emphasis mine] and tonally augment the sanctuary.&nbsp; = They are getting a beautiful new pipe organ for their sanctuary, the = present organ (a gift from a family years ago) will be moved to the chapel = while incorporating a few of its ranks in the new organ.&nbsp; The chapel = organ will be moved to the choir practice room.&nbsp; Geeeeeeeeeee!&nbsp; = How many churches have pipe organs in their choir's practice room?!?!?<BR> <BR> Bruce commented that he's played many a small pipe organ that seems to be = tonally compromised (my paraphrase), but that rarely does he not find = something unworthy in the organ.&nbsp; I just wonder - apologizing to pipe = organ builders - how it is more cost-effective to entirely replace a "well = functioning" pipe organ with a new one (at a cost of $500K - $1M) instead = of revoicing the present one and replacing certain ranks if an organ needs = to be made more "artistic".&nbsp; I really direct these comments to = churches, not concert halls.&nbsp; I would think that the priorities would = be different between organs built to enhance and lead worship and those = designed for concerts.<BR> <A HREF=3D"http://www.prumc.org/otherev.html"> New Mander Organ</A><BR> http://www.prumc.org/otherev.html<BR> <BR> Sincerely,<BR> Keith Zimmerman</FONT></HTML>   --part1_121.189b1b3e.2adc0e48_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: New Mander Organ From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:57:52 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3117437872_14458110 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 10/13/02 10:02 PM, "MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com" = <MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com> wrote:   > that's why I said you'd never know you were in a Methodist church. >=3D20 Aha! I getcha. It=3DB9s the whole effect, not just the organ. And, from = your description, I must say you=3DB9re right! It=3DB9s the sort of church = I=3DB9d describe as =3DB3Methodist,=3DB2 either!   Alan   --B_3117437872_14458110 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: New Mander Organ</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 10/13/02 10:02 PM, = &quot;MyrtleBeachMusic@a=3D ol.com&quot; &lt;MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">that's why I said you'd never = know yo=3D u were in a Methodist church.</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D3D"4"><FONT = FACE=3D3D"Times New Rom=3D an"> <BR> </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New = Roman"><BR> </FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">Aha! &nbsp;I getcha. = &nbsp;It&#8=3D 217;s the whole effect, not just the organ. &nbsp;And, from your = description=3D , I must say you&#8217;re right! &nbsp;It&#8217;s the sort of church = I&#8217=3D ;d describe as &#8220;Methodist,&#8221; either!<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3117437872_14458110--    
(back) Subject: New Peachtree Road Mander Organ From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:58:24 EDT   Remember, folks: Next year's annual conference of the American Institute of Organbuilders will be in Atlanta. See the Mander, hear the Mander, maybe even play the Mander. Attend lectures and demonstrations, as well as visit other fine pipe organs by American builders. If you missed Los Angeles, you have a year to plan for Atlanta.   SMG  
(back) Subject: Re: Johannus specifications From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:21:37 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C2736B.7A5E71E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Gregory,   I agree that a pipe organ is preferable to any digital instrument. =3D However, for those of us who live in rural areas where pipe organs are =3D few, and those organs that are available are generally rather poor =3D musically, having a digital organ in our home studio or living room is =3D the only practical alternative for practice and/or teaching purposes. =3D For many churches, a digital instrument is the only affordable option. = =3D Budget and space limitations are the deciding factor in many cases.   Like you, I find most instruments that are "digitally sampled" are =3D indeed tiresome to play and lifeless to listen to. There are =3D alternatives to "sample" technology available today. Recently, a custom = =3D builder from Holland installed a very fine handcrafted 2 manual 27 stop = =3D instrument in my home. The instrument utilizes the Musicom pipe control = =3D system for real time sound generation, not "samples". The sound quality = =3D and realism of this instrument is very close to real pipes to my trained = =3D ear. The console is quite beautiful, solidly built, and replicates a =3D traditional Dutch Tracker in its design. It has tracker point =3D keyboards, and plays and sounds quite like a "real" organ. Though it is = =3D a custom instrument, it was surprisingly affordable when compared to the = =3D major American and most European digital makers.   Cheers,   Tim Chetek, WI ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C2736B.7A5E71E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Gregory,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I agree that a pipe organ <EM>is =3D </EM>preferable to=3D20 any digital instrument.&nbsp; However, for those of us who live in rural = =3D areas=3D20 where pipe organs are few, and those organs that are available are =3D generally=3D20 rather poor musically, having a digital organ in our home studio or =3D living room=3D20 is the only practical alternative for practice and/or teaching =3D purposes.&nbsp;=3D20 For many churches, a digital instrument is the only affordable =3D option.&nbsp;=3D20 Budget and space limitations are the deciding factor in many =3D cases.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Like you, I find most instruments = that =3D are=3D20 "digitally sampled" are indeed tiresome to play and lifeless to listen =3D to.&nbsp;=3D20 There are alternatives to "sample" technology available today.&nbsp; =3D Recently, a=3D20 custom builder from Holland installed a very fine handcrafted 2 =3D manual&nbsp;27=3D20 stop instrument in my home. The instrument utilizes the Musicom pipe =3D control=3D20 system for real time sound generation, not "samples".&nbsp; The sound =3D quality=3D20 and realism of this instrument is very close to real pipes to my trained = =3D   ear.&nbsp; The console is quite beautiful, solidly built, and replicates = =3D a=3D20 traditional Dutch Tracker in its design.&nbsp; It has tracker point =3D keyboards,=3D20 and plays and sounds quite like a "real" organ.&nbsp;Though it is a =3D custom=3D20 instrument, it was surprisingly affordable when compared to the major =3D American=3D20 and most European digital makers.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tim</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Chetek, WI</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C2736B.7A5E71E0--    
(back) Subject: Re: silence is golden From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:12:29 -0400   When the prelude is played after the pastor et al calls the people to attention, how long may that prelude extend? If it not likely that a ten-minue organ work would never do in such circumstances? Does this cut down the potential of experience for those who really do wish to hear good organ music of larger scope before the service begins?   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA  
(back) Subject: Re: silence is golden From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:48:16 -0400   on 10/14/02 11:12 AM, Karl Moyer at kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu = wrote:   > When the prelude is played after the pastor et al calls the people to > attention, how long may that prelude extend? If it not likely that a > ten-minue organ work would never do in such circumstances? Does this = cut > down the potential of experience for those who really do wish to hear = good > organ music of larger scope before the service begins? > > Karl E. Moyer > Lancaster PA >   I should think so, and that's why I have not suggested this to my church.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: New Mander Organ From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:50:13 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3117441013_14647011 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 10/14/02 10:57 AM, "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote:   > On 10/13/02 10:02 PM, "MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com" = <MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.co=3D m> > wrote: >=3D20 >> that's why I said you'd never know you were in a Methodist church. >>=3D20 > Aha! I getcha. It=3DB9s the whole effect, not just the organ. And, = from yo=3D ur > description, I must say you=3DB9re right! It=3DB9s the sort of church = I=3DB9d descri=3D be as > =3DB3Methodist,=3DB2 either! >=3D20 > Alan=3D20   Expanding on my earlier, because of other posts (as from Lee and Sand).   I misunderstood the original post to be saying,=3DB2Look at that marvelous organ! What=3DB9s THAT doing in a Methodist church?=3DB2 The poster has = clarified that the picture is much bigger than that: the whole =3DB3style=3DB2 of = the place is more typically Episcopal than Methodist. I now understand that.   MY initial response was not hinting that it=3DB9s weird for a Methodist = church to have a fine organ, but weird to suggest that it=3DB9s unUSUAL for a = Methodis=3D t church to have a fine organ. True, I=3DB9m disappointed when an Episcopal = or Lutheran church doesn=3DB9t have one, but the Methodists have just as much = ever=3D y good reason to have fine organs and architecture TOO. It was my MISunderstanding of the original post that made everything seem backward.   When I was a freshman at Pacific Lutheran Univ. in Tacoma, I studied organ with R. Byard Fritts, father of then-infant Paul Fritts, now one of the hottest builders of our day. Fritts Sr. was organist at the big downtown Akron-plan Methodist church, and I=3DB9d sing with that choir for special = event=3D s such as a seasonal oratorio or something; they had a big old beast from = the early 20s. More power to them!   Apologies for seeming to put down the Methodists, when my intent was quite the opposite.   Alan           --B_3117441013_14647011 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: New Mander Organ</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 10/14/02 10:57 AM, &quot;Alan = Freed&quot; &=3D lt;acfreed0904@earthlink.net&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 10/13/02 10:02 PM, = &quot=3D ;MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com&quot; &lt;MyrtleBeachMusic@aol.com&gt; = wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">that's why I said you'd never = know yo=3D u were in a Methodist church.</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D3D"4"><FONT = FACE=3D3D"Times New Rom=3D an"> <BR> <BR> </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">Aha! &nbsp;I = getcha=3D .. &nbsp;It&#8217;s the whole effect, not just the organ. &nbsp;And, from = you=3D r description, I must say you&#8217;re right! &nbsp;It&#8217;s the sort of = c=3D hurch I&#8217;d describe as &#8220;Methodist,&#8221; either!<BR> <BR> Alan <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Expanding on my earlier, because of other posts (as from Lee and Sand). = &nb=3D sp;<BR> <BR> I misunderstood the original post to be saying,&#8221;Look at that = marvelou=3D s organ! &nbsp;What&#8217;s THAT doing in a Methodist church?&#8221; = &nbsp;T=3D he poster has clarified that the picture is much bigger than that: = &nbsp;the=3D whole &#8220;style&#8221; of the place is more typically Episcopal than = Met=3D hodist. &nbsp;I now understand that.<BR> <BR> MY initial response was not hinting that it&#8217;s weird for a Methodist = c=3D hurch to have a fine organ, but weird to suggest that it&#8217;s unUSUAL = for=3D a Methodist church to have a fine organ. &nbsp;True, I&#8217;m = disappointed=3D when an Episcopal or Lutheran church doesn&#8217;t have one, but the = Method=3D ists have just as much every good reason to have fine organs and = architectur=3D e TOO. &nbsp;It was my MISunderstanding of the original post that made = every=3D thing seem backward. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> When I was a freshman at Pacific Lutheran Univ. in Tacoma, I studied organ = =3D with R. Byard Fritts, father of then-infant Paul Fritts, now one of the = hott=3D est builders of our day. &nbsp;Fritts Sr. was organist at the big downtown = A=3D kron-plan Methodist church, and I&#8217;d sing with that choir for special = e=3D vents such as a seasonal oratorio or something; they had a big old beast = fro=3D m the early 20s. &nbsp;More power to them!<BR> <BR> Apologies for seeming to put down the Methodists, when my intent was quite = =3D the opposite.<BR> <BR> Alan<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3117441013_14647011--    
(back) Subject: Re: silence is golden From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:59:19 -0400   On 10/14/02 11:12 AM, "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> = wrote:   > When the prelude is played after the pastor et al calls the people to > attention, how long may that prelude extend? If it not likely that a > ten-minue organ work would never do in such circumstances? Does this = cut > down the potential of experience for those who really do wish to hear = good > organ music of larger scope before the service begins?   Assuming an ordinary green Sunday, and assuming that Himself insists on doing the announcements at that point, keep the chorale prelude to the processional hymn down to 2 to 4 minutes. On a festive Sunday (or non-Sunday), get him to forgo that location for announcements, and let the prelude run ten minutes minimum. Doesn't Christmas Eve pre-service music run at least 20 minutes?   Alan's opinion only     > > Karl E. Moyer > Lancaster PA > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: silence is golden From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:44:54 -0400     > > Assuming an ordinary green Sunday, and assuming that Himself insists on > doing the announcements at that point, keep the chorale prelude to the > processional hymn down to 2 to 4 minutes. On a festive Sunday (or > non-Sunday), get him to forgo that location for announcements, and let = the > prelude run ten minutes minimum. Doesn't Christmas Eve pre-service = music > run at least 20 minutes? > > Alan's opinion only > Does that mean, Alan, that on ordindary green Sundays, only chorale = preludes (as opposed, say, to 1 2-4 minute Rheinberger trio) are allowed?     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: silence is golden From: "r" <basset3@hvc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:07:36 -0500   Short and sweet does it in my church. Otherwise, they begin to fidget wanting to get on with the service. The pastor glances over to the organ = as in . . . come on, wind it up. Resolve the chord, chop it off.   "And now let us stand for the opening prayers . . . "   Robert Clooney UMC          
(back) Subject: Re: silence is golden From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:11:06 -0400   The pastor glances over to the organ as > in . . . come on, wind it up. Resolve the chord, chop it off.   > Robert Clooney > UMC   So I presume you make similar gestures during his sermons? ;)     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: silence is golden From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:12:33 -0500   Karl Moyer wrote: > > When the prelude is played after the pastor et al calls the people to > attention, how long may that prelude extend? If it not likely that a > ten-minue organ work would never do in such circumstances? Does this = cut > down the potential of experience for those who really do wish to hear = good > organ music of larger scope before the service begins? > > Karl E. Moyer   Dear Karl and List:   If I have a work that I really believe is "essential" to the worship service, I work with the Pastor and and lector(s) for that particular service (trying to plan ahead quite a bit of course).   I also use appropriate program notes for the work, or if there's not room in that Sunday's bulletin, may actually speak to the congregation about the work before I play it.   Since I'm playing now for two different Presbyterian congregations, and that the order of service is not quite the same, I use the same materials at each, but at the one service, the prelude precedes everything in the service. So I simply leave choir warm up at the time I require to finish the piece at the appropriate time.     Jon Bertschinger  
(back) Subject: Re: New Mander Organ From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:23:42 EDT     --part1_a3.3009f344.2adc73be_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/14/02 8:12:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Kzimmer0817@aol.com writes:     > Bruce commented that he's played many a small pipe organ that seems to = be > tonally compromised (my paraphrase), but that rarely does he not find > something unworthy in the organ.   Thanks for the quote, but that should read "find something worthy"... ;-) =   In many cases, i think it would be better stewardship to take the "old" = organ en bloc and move it to a church that needs an organ. Sadly, those in = power seldom grasp the Christian concept of sharing, and, even when faced with = the gift of a new organ, prefer to sell the old one and make a buck or two, rather than engaging in some musical missionary work.   I would rather see old organs preserved rather than swallowed up in new = ones.   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_a3.3009f344.2adc73be_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/14/02 8:12:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Kzimmer0817@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Bruce commented = that he's played many a small pipe organ that seems to be tonally = compromised (my paraphrase), but that rarely does he not find something = unworthy in the organ. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Thanks for the quote, but that should read "find something worthy"... = &nbsp;;-) &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>In many cases, i think it would be better stewardship to take the = "old" organ en bloc and move it to a church that needs an organ. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Sadly, those in power seldom grasp the Christian concept of = sharing, and, even when faced with the gift of a new organ, prefer to sell = the old one and make a buck or two, rather than engaging in some musical = missionary work. <BR> <BR>I would rather see old organs preserved rather than swallowed up in = new ones. <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a3.3009f344.2adc73be_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: silence is golden From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:36:57 EDT     --part1_127.18773530.2adc76d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 10/14/02 11:35:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu writes:     > When the prelude is played after the pastor et al calls the people to > attention, how long may that prelude extend? If it not likely that a > ten-minue organ work would never do in such circumstances? Does this = cut > down the potential of experience for those who really do wish to hear = good > organ music of larger scope before the service begins? >   Having been in such a situation, I will admit that it does limit the literature than can be played; however, with some judiciuos editing a significant piece of literature can be used (I hate to suggest, but this = also works on extended chorale preludes.. ugh!) ;-) . I have a wonderful "edit" of the prelude and fugue in b-minor (Bach) which uses the first section of the prelude and then the opening statement of the fugue. It = takes about five minutes! The congregation gets exciting and real organ music =   and I don't waste my time learning ditties!   But, there are also many wonderful short pieces. I site "Two = Reflections" by Charles Callahan, and, my favorite, his "GreenMountain Organ Book" = which I used Sunday: Prelude: Prelude, Fugue, Dialog, Rondeau and Canon Offertory: Interlude, Meditation (note: interlude title may be = erroneous!! senior mmnt) Postlude: Procession   Many of the Pachelbel, Buxtehude, Bach, and Lubeck preludes, toccatas, = etc, are constructed in sections which may be "lifted out" for service use. =   Occasionally, I will play the segment for the prelude on a light = combination, and then play the entire piece for the postlude. I've had very positive =   comments on this practice from listeners.   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_127.18773530.2adc76d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 10/14/02 11:35:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">When the prelude = is played after the pastor et al calls the people to <BR>attention, how long may that prelude extend? &nbsp;If it not likely = that a <BR>ten-minue organ work would never do in such circumstances? = &nbsp;&nbsp;Does this cut <BR>down the potential of experience for those who really do wish to hear = good <BR>organ music of larger scope before the service begins? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Having been in such a situation, I will admit that it does limit the = literature than can be played; however, with some judiciuos editing a = significant piece of literature can be used (I hate to suggest, but this = also works on extended chorale preludes.. ugh!) &nbsp;;-) . = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have a wonderful "edit" of the prelude and fugue in = b-minor (Bach) which uses the first section of the prelude and then the = opening statement of the fugue. &nbsp;It takes about five minutes! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The congregation gets exciting and real organ music and = I don't waste my time learning ditties! <BR> <BR>But, there are also many wonderful short pieces. &nbsp;&nbsp;I site = &nbsp;"Two Reflections" by Charles Callahan, and, my favorite, his = "GreenMountain Organ Book" which I used Sunday: <BR>Prelude: &nbsp;&nbsp;Prelude, Fugue, Dialog, Rondeau and Canon <BR>Offertory: &nbsp;Interlude, Meditation &nbsp;(note: interlude title = may be erroneous!! senior mmnt) <BR>Postlude: &nbsp;Procession <BR> <BR>Many of the Pachelbel, Buxtehude, Bach, and Lubeck preludes, toccatas, = etc, are constructed in sections which may be "lifted out" for service use. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Occasionally, I will play the segment for the = prelude on a light combination, and then play the entire piece for the = postlude. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I've had very positive comments on this = practice from listeners. <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_127.18773530.2adc76d9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: New Mander Organ From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:42:22 EDT     --part1_71.2759977a.2adc781e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   go to organ clearing house's website.   --part1_71.2759977a.2adc781e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>go to organ clearing = house's website.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_71.2759977a.2adc781e_boundary--