PipeChat Digest #3181 - Thursday, October 17, 2002
 
Re: Diapason Article - Small
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Christopher Pardini in Clarksville, TN
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
Re: New Mander Organ
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: New Mander Organ
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Slider chests for sale
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Diapason Article - Small
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
St Georges  Anglican Church Halifax
  by "danielwh1" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: Slider chests for sale
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Concert Tickets Available
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Need to find Jim Pitts (Wurli...)
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Diapason Article - Small
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Fr.  Geo. Wm. Rutler
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: silence is golden
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Diapason Article - Small From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:07:59 +1300   Hi, Keith,   I'm not a professional, but have been an organ enthusiast for over 40 = years.   In my experience in New Zealand, which is very much the British tradition, = a Salicional is indeed a string, gentler and of broader scale than a Viole, less hard and less fundamental than a Gamba.   A Dulciana should not be a string. A Dulciana should be unenclosed, quite soft, with fewer high harmonics and more fundamental than a string. Too, = it is not slotted and is usually not bearded. And the scaling is a little bigger, with the mouth low and wide. Snetzler way back made the best Dulcianas, though there are some quite magnificent English Dulcianas from the 19th century that are a purry soft velvety breath. Where there is a celeste for it, it is called Vox Angelica, not Voix Celeste, and is sometimes used flat instead of sharp as for strings. There is a distinct difference between the two stops, but poor examples of both may sound more or less the same - stringier than a Dulciana and duller in tone than a string.   1. "...The name Salicional may be a bit misleading to those who consider = it a member of the string family. We use that name (and the name Dulciana) = to indicate stops of the echo diapason class, which is characterized by pure diapason tone of moderate to low power..."   Yes, I always tho't these were string stops. Are they or are they not?   What is the "echo diapason" class? I tho't stops got stringy when their scales were reduced a great deal..... or is it the slots that make it stringy? IOW, how do you determine - during the making - whether or not a small scaled pipe is going to be a string or a small principal?   2. "...The chorus of the Great is completed with a Mixture. Although it = is often very useful, particularly in a small scheme to specify an = independent 12th and 15th instead of a Mixture, the unique tone color provided by a compound stop is essential to the symphonic ensemble."   How so? In this particular organ the Great contains an 8' Open Diapason = and a smaller scaled 4' Principal. Then comes the 2' Mixture III. I guess I don't understand the last phrase of the quote. Unless...... the Mixture = III contains breaks and changes throughout its compass thereby providing a unique coloring that would not be present with the fixed combination that would be had by drawing the three separate 12th, 15th, and whatever.   2. In a small organ where both a Twelfth and a Mixture cannot be = afforded, I'd put a Principal-toned Nineteenth (i.e. not a Larigot) in the organ. = I've had this done to rebuilds of organs I've been consultant for, and it's worked well. For example, on the late 19thC Abbott & Smith in Masterton Prtesbyterian Church here in NZ, the Great was 8 8 8 4 4 and I had added = 2 and 1 1/3 of Principal tone. It works very well. For me, a Nineteenth = works better in a chorus than a Twelfth and gives it greater clarity and brilliance. If using it as a solo mutation, it can be used either with the 8ft Flute, or down an octave with the 4ft, or in the 8 4 19th combination.   The pitches above the 2ft are most valuable for the full organo pleno Principal chorus effect. Stopping at the 2ft is often to give the chorus a stunted and reedy effect if there is a strong 12th. The fewer the ranks of mutation and Mixture stops of Principal scaling and tone, the higher the harmonic content in the individual ranks needs to be. That's why, when adding a Mixture to an old instrument of only 8 4 or 8 4 2 on the Great, where the harmonic content is likely to be pretty high, it is better to = have a 2rk Mixture of similar tone rather than a 4rk of more flutey ranks. = Blend will be far better.   >Again, these questions are probably best answered by demonstration = instead of by words. It would be great if Schoenstein had a CD of these small organs that demonstrated these issues.   Indeed. It's hard to put into words, some of these concepts, ina way that can be aurally imagined by someone else. Have I helped a bit?   Regards, Ross   Thanks, Keith    
(back) Subject: Christopher Pardini in Clarksville, TN From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:02:50 EDT     --part1_184.10469d88.2adea15a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi, Y'all!   Last Sunday afternoon, Christopher Pardini, Organist of the Crystal Cathedral, performed the inaugural concert on the new pipe organ of Grace Lutheran Church in Clarksville, TN (about 1 hour from Nashville). The = organ is the former organ of First Presbyterian Church in Gainesville, FL. The Webber Pipe Organ Company from Louisville, was responsible for the re-installation, voicing, re-design, etc. It was kinda fun to learn of = this organ after all the notes on the List concerning the new Fisk at the Gainesville church.   Chris is a good performer--no doubt about that. He engages the audience (mostly church and community people, I'd guess) and draws them in. He has = a friendly manner in front of the crowd and at the reception. He's a good amabassador for our business. There was a short service preceding Chris' concert which included some responsivle readings, prayers, anthems, and appropriate words from clergy and church officials. Let me tell you, this congregation can sing! "When In Our Music God is Glorified" (sung to Engleberg) just about took the roof of this new and attracitve modern sanctuary. It was good to be at this event and I'm sure it was an exciting =   time for this congregation. Rocky Craft is the very capable resident organist-choirmaster and was the guiding light behind this project.   Percy Fletcher: Festival Toccata Bruhns: Praeludium in G Major Mozart: Andante in F Major K 626 Mozart: Fantasy in f minor K 608   Intermission Hymn   Bach: Toccata, Adagio and Fugue in C BWV 564 Emma Lou Diemer: Two hymns -- Battle Hymn and America the Beautiful Guilmant: Sonata I in d minor (all three movements were played)   Encore was Chris' arrangement of Amazing Grace     Yours,   Darryl by the Sea             --part1_184.10469d88.2adea15a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Hi, Y'all!<BR> <BR> Last Sunday afternoon, Christopher Pardini, Organist of the Crystal = Cathedral, performed the inaugural concert on the new pipe organ of Grace = Lutheran Church in Clarksville, TN (about 1 hour from Nashville). The = organ is the former organ of First Presbyterian Church in Gainesville, FL. = The Webber Pipe Organ Company from Louisville, was responsible for the = re-installation, voicing, re-design, etc. It was kinda fun to learn of = this organ after all the notes on the List concerning the new Fisk at the = Gainesville church.<BR> <BR> Chris is a good performer--no doubt about that. He engages the audience = (mostly church and community people, I'd guess) and draws them in. He has = a friendly manner in front of the crowd and at the reception. He's a good = amabassador for our business. There was a short service preceding Chris' = concert which included some responsivle readings, prayers, anthems, and = appropriate words from clergy and church officials. Let me tell you, this = congregation can sing! "When In Our Music God is Glorified" (sung to = Engleberg) just about took the roof of this new and attracitve modern = sanctuary. It was good to be at this event and I'm sure it was an exciting = time for this congregation. Rocky Craft is the very capable resident = organist-choirmaster and was the guiding light behind this project.<BR> <BR> Percy Fletcher: Festival Toccata<BR> Bruhns: Praeludium in G Major<BR> Mozart: Andante in F Major K 626<BR> Mozart: Fantasy in f minor K 608<BR> <BR> Intermission<BR> Hymn<BR> <BR> Bach: Toccata, Adagio and Fugue in C BWV 564<BR> Emma Lou Diemer: Two hymns -- Battle Hymn and America the Beautiful<BR> Guilmant: Sonata I in d minor (all three movements were played)<BR> <BR> Encore was Chris' arrangement of Amazing Grace<BR> <BR> <BR> Yours,<BR> <BR> Darryl by the Sea<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_184.10469d88.2adea15a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: New Mander Organ From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:16:56 -0700   Hi again, Allaround an interesting day. you know the story from the AM. don't feel too bad about that switch, I located the problem in 10 minutes. Left it open so we can fix that another time. Norm came to tune, and Chris held keys. Jesse had also volunteered, so we were fine. With the cold snap the house itself was on the cool side so the blower air was cold. Norm specifically waited on the reeds until later when things had stabilized a bit. Never theless he thinks that with these temp swings it's going to be off a bit: use lots of trems he said. He likes the post horn installation and found the access very good using the toolbox as a seat. ;-). I also turned the speakers 90 deg. so they interfered a lot less - need to turn them back - good thing we used wing nuts. He loves the Tibia 16' ! Says it sounds real to him. That broken trumpet is physically fine but the reed wont come up to pitch. Need to replace the reed. will look among junkers at Page.   Chris got his car booted by that towing ass hole. I know he was warned, so offered to help out partially. Still, that situation sucks! time for a letter to the journal. Damn vulture!   Jesse joined me at Page that night. I was there early and noticed PDQ clearing out. so much for your theory! They will be out by weekend. That prompted me to search for Darrin. Went to his office - no there. but left my phone # to call me this AM. Secretary shed a bit of light: not good. Seems the partners have come to collective decision, not sure what but you can bet our days are numbered. hope to hear today.   Have possible brainstorm for new place - but share that later, need to investigate first.   Did some major rearranging. flattened boxes, tossed junk on a junk pile. Next Tuesday load up the trailer with trash wood and cardboard to burn at my house. found matching toes tuds!! need to replace the UN matching ones. place is already looking better, need one more night or part of one. took some stuff to go to Roosevelt. Hammond is going to Goodwill ;-) can't be bothered with it.   Speaker: the kit is basically a unit amplifier that mounts in a hole in the ready made speaker box. Speaker mounts in its hole, things are connected together and it's done! However Jesse also volunteered. New idea: Next time in shop I'll evaluate the Leslie Speaker that came with the Hammond!! Maybe we wont have to build anything!   On another idea: Jesse asked how much more restored pipe organ percussions can bring? I told him double, triple at least. He has a shop at Bard, would like to do some rebuilds there. So he took the chime action that was in the shop as a trial piece. We'll see.   enough for now   John  
(back) Subject: Re: New Mander Organ From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:52:04 -0400   Dear John, This is a revelation. I've spoken to Malcolm about the new Mander Organ, but he never told me there would be a TIBIA. I wonder what else he's keeping from me? I never dreamed there might be percussions too. I always thought John Mander took his organ building very seriously, but perhaps he is hiding a devious sense of humor. I hope the Methodists at Peachtree will find it equally humorous when the opening number on the dedication program in November is "On The Double Eagle" complete with drums and cymbals crashing, and trems aflapping. Or, perhaps your message was misdirected. Never mind. :-)   Cheers and grins Mike   John Vanderlee wrote:   > Hi again, > Allaround an interesting day. you know the story from the AM. don't > feel too bad about that switch, I located the problem in 10 minutes. > Left it open so we can fix that another time. > Norm came to tune, and Chris held keys. Jesse had also volunteered, > so we were fine. With the cold snap the house itself was on the cool > side so the blower air was cold. Norm specifically waited on the > reeds until later when things had stabilized a bit. Never theless he > thinks that with these temp swings it's going to be off a bit: use > lots of trems he said. > He likes the post horn installation and found the access very good > using the toolbox as a seat. ;-). I also turned the speakers 90 deg. > so they interfered a lot less - need to turn them back - good thing > we used wing nuts. He loves the Tibia 16' ! Says it sounds real to > him. That broken trumpet is physically fine but the reed wont come up > to pitch. Need to replace the reed. will look among junkers at Page. > > Chris got his car booted by that towing ass hole. I know he was > warned, so offered to help out partially. Still, that situation > sucks! time for a letter to the journal. Damn vulture! > > Jesse joined me at Page that night. I was there early and noticed > PDQ clearing out. so much for your theory! They will be out by > weekend. That prompted me to search for Darrin. Went to his office - > no there. but left my phone # to call me this AM. Secretary shed a > bit of light: not good. Seems the partners have come to collective > decision, not sure what but you can bet our days are numbered. hope > to hear today. > > Have possible brainstorm for new place - but share that later, need > to investigate first. > > Did some major rearranging. flattened boxes, tossed junk on a junk > pile. Next Tuesday load up the trailer with trash wood and cardboard > to burn at my house. found matching toes tuds!! need to replace the > UN matching ones. place is already looking better, need one more > night or part of one. took some stuff to go to Roosevelt. Hammond is > going to Goodwill ;-) can't be bothered with it. > > Speaker: the kit is basically a unit amplifier that mounts in a hole > in the ready made speaker box. Speaker mounts in its hole, things are > connected together and it's done! However Jesse also volunteered. New > idea: Next time in shop I'll evaluate the Leslie Speaker that came > with the Hammond!! Maybe we wont have to build anything! > > On another idea: Jesse asked how much more restored pipe organ > percussions can bring? I told him double, triple at least. He has a > shop at Bard, would like to do some rebuilds there. So he took the > chime action that was in the shop as a trial piece. We'll see. > > enough for now > > John > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Slider chests for sale From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:42:27 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0005_01C27543.C6E43B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Quimby Pipe Organs, Inc., has two slider chests -- one four ranks and =3D one five ranks -- for sale from a circa 1905 Kilgen tracker. Fair =3D condition. Buyer collects. To make an offer please e-mail =3D <qpo@iland.net>   John Speller       ------=3D_NextPart_000_0005_01C27543.C6E43B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Dwindows-1252" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Quimby Pipe Organs, Inc., has two =3D slider chests --=3D20 one four ranks and one five ranks -- for sale from a circa 1905 = Kilgen=3D20 tracker.&nbsp; Fair condition.&nbsp; Buyer collects.&nbsp; To make an =3D offer=3D20 please e-mail &lt;<A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:qpo@iland.net">qpo@iland.net</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>John Speller</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0005_01C27543.C6E43B60--    
(back) Subject: Re: Diapason Article - Small From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:00:07 -0500   ----- Original Message ----- From: Kzimmer0817@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: Diapason Article - Small     > 1. "...The name Salicional may be a bit misleading to > those who consider it a member of the string family. > We use that name (and the name Dulciana) to indicate > stops of the echo diapason class, which is characterized > by pure diapason tone of moderate to low power..."   > Yes, I always tho't these were string stops. Are they or > are they = not?   I would agree about the Dulciana, which has long been considered a = miniature Open Diapason rather than a string. I am not so sure I agree with Mr. Bethards about the Salicional, though, which I would characterize as an = Echo Gamba rather than an Echo Diapason, and thus a string.   John Speller   > 2. "...The chorus of the Great is completed with a > Mixture. Although it is often very useful, particularly in > a small scheme to specify an independent 12th and 15th > instead of a Mixture, the unique tone color provided by > a compound stop is essential to the symphonic > ensemble."   I think on the whole I would agree with this, though one way round the = issue might be to produce a three rank 2.2/3' mixture that made a four rank mixture when used with the Fifteenth, i.e., something like:   C 12-19-22 f# 8-12-19 f#2 1- 8-12   where the Fifteenth is a separate stop, making a mixture that is in effect 12-15-19-22. Henry Willis designed the mixtures somewhat like this in the St. Bees Priory organ.   John Speller        
(back) Subject: St Georges Anglican Church Halifax From: "danielwh1" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:19:18 -0300   http://users.eastlink.ca/~stgeorge/music/neworgan.html above is the link to the specs of the new Letourneau Pipe Organ being installed this month The page says there will soon be pictures posted of its instalation Daniel 2000 E.P. Biggs Fellow     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/2002    
(back) Subject: Re: Slider chests for sale From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:06:30 -0500   We still have 3 Schlicker slider chests for sale...like new!   Jon Bertschinger Temple Organs  
(back) Subject: Concert Tickets Available From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:27:36 -0400   Greetings to all my Organic Friends, When it rains it pours, so it seems. November 10th is a day of many wonderful organ concert opportunities in Ohio, and I wish I could go to them all. Felix will be in Columbus, Hector Olivera will be in Akron, and Todd Wilson will give one of the rare Severance Hall Organ Concerts. I have decided to miss all of those so that I might attend the dedication of the new Mander Organ at Peachtree Methodist in Atlanta at the invitation of my good friend Malcolm Wechsler. As a result, I am offering my 2 excellent dress circle seats to anybody who may be in the Cleveland area on Sunday November 10th, and would like to hear the newly restored Severance Hall Skinner Norton Memorial Organ that has been so wonderfully resurrected   by the Schantz Organ Company of Orrville, Ohio. Todd Wilson will offer a program of Bach, Messiaen, and Reubke. There is also a pre-concert program 1 hour before the concert that always includes a demonstration   of the organ and a discussion of the literature to be played. All in all, a Severance Hall Organ Concert is a   terrific event, and I hope someone out there can take advantage of this rare opportunity. Remember, the tonal   finishing of this organ was done by our fellow list member Ken List. You will find yourself in wonderment of the skill and experience that Ken has brought to this instrument. That alone is worth the effort to make   this trip. Please contact me privately if you would like to have these tickets so that I may mail them to you. Of course, we will expect a complete report of your experience. That is the only price for the tickets.   Cheers Mike Gettelman        
(back) Subject: Need to find Jim Pitts (Wurli...) From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:50:43 -0400   I know him as a member of one of three church music lists I participate = in. But I don't know which list. Is he a member of PipeChat?   Thanks.   Alan Freed    
(back) Subject: Re: Diapason Article - Small From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:27:51 -0500   why not just write to them and ask...? I bet they have something to send you.   jon  
(back) Subject: Fr. Geo. Wm. Rutler From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:53:24 -0400   John Speller et al.:   I've been dialing St. Vincent Ferrer all morning to inquire about the = above. Line is BUSY constantly. Will keep trying. Plan to attend Sunday p.m. recital.   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: silence is golden From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:04:07 -0400   Paul Valtos writes: > I believe that he is a priest at St. Vincent Ferrer in NYC. He has or > had a half hour program on EWTN in which he did some pretty good = preaching > and threw in quite a few Anglican references. He also is quite knowledgeable > in the music and plays to demonstrate his ideas.   http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/99Jul/jul30dc1.htm   He's evidently a legend in his own time. A friend who saw him on TV once = in the Boston area said that, although his accent was naturally American, the way he talked and bore himself were Oxbridge. One of his heroes being Cardinal Newman, he can speak both to the intellectual theologian and the unlettered man in the street.   The only time I saw/heard him was for a brief moment in a PBS TV program around Sept. 11, 2002, in which various people discussed the effect of the tragedy on their religious faith. Some people remarked that for the first time, they had the existence of evil thrust inescapably upon them, and not only as an adjective, but as a noun. Cut to Fr. Rutler for what was obviously just a vignette from a longer interview. He pointed out that = when Our Lord met a man possessed by an evil spirit, he ordered, "Come out of him." The evil spirit was not only real, but personal: Jesus was not speaking to the man.   A lot of people opined and vaporized at some length during that program. = To me, those ten seconds from Fr. Rutler constituted the most objective, cogent, and memorable statement or teaching in the entire hour.